Trudeau walks out of NAFTA negotiations

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The History Of Economic Sanctions - History Video! - DickMorris.com

Kind of like 101 for all you self proclaimed experts out there... (either you are in a position of leverage or your not), Just because being economically raped has become the status quo (for the US) doesn't mean that asking for some 'metaphorical' foreplay and dinner is an egregious affront to the various rapists who are now being asked to chip in on the dinner bill. Sure all the rapists will throw a tantrum at any change in their old hat 'behavior'...

Look at the trade deficits we have with the various "partners" around the globe... Germany a wealthy, propped up country doesn't contribute toward their defense as they are 'required' to do. Their fine automobiles represent some 90 % of the luxury automotive market in the US with 2ish % tariffs on our end compared to 10ish % on their end.
The whole point of NATO was to keep Germany from re-arming and starting WWIII. Now Germany is being castigated for not having an army.

For over 100 years, the Allies have tried to keep Germany weak and dependent on others for their defence. After WWI, Germany was economically punished for starting the war. The anger of the German people lead to Hitler’s rise and WWII.

After WWII, the West helped Germany rebuild. No reparations, no punishment and no weapons. Now the US wants Germany to rearm. Madness.
Conservatives ignore history.
 

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Trudeau says NAFTA negotiations stalled after Pence demanded sunset clause

Does this idiot not realize Canada and Mexico are in NO WIN SITUATIONS here? If they fail to renegotiate NAFTA then we just pull out and laugh as Mexico and Canada come screaming back for deals! Then we do 1 on 1 deals with them each! We hold ALL the cards!
Canada would be better off with a separate deal anyways. But really, the only thing that's going to happen is that prices will rise for everyone, us, Canada, Mehico, Europe... It's the little guys getting burned by the rich once again. Welcome to Trump's America, it's what you voted for.
Yeah............we are all going to die because our Gov't is standing up and negotiating deals for Fair Trade instead of allowing them to fuck us over.........................

You do this .................we will do that.............it's called negotiating............if they walk out with their fucking panties in a wad............we'll make it ourself............or find another supplier..................

Wah...............If Canada stops sending a Product we are all gonna die................Got news for you........This is a big dang world..........................And we can buy from someone else.....................

Guess you don't see that now do you...............

Most of the fight is over steel and aluminum...............and it isn't that big of a deal.
You just don't understand what's going on. Trump will make steel more expensive by cutting off foreign sources and then Americans sources will be more expensive, as will any imports with duties. When they go build your next car, the steel they use will be more expensive, and who do you think is going to pay for that? You.
You just don't understand that when we import all our goods that American Jobs and industry are lost................And that it screws the people who need a decent paycheck to buy the goods corps who have left the reservation produce in 3rd world shit holes.

And you ignore that these countries bitching already use protectionism against us.................If it's so bad then why the hell are they blocking our products..................hmmmm............

Should we stand aside and allow China to over produce...........subsidize products............steal intellectual property and get away with it.................Destroy our means of production..............

Face it.........the only thing people like you care about are your Stock values...........trade it 10000 times a day and make a killing..............speculate your asses off and screw everyone............Self Regulation of the too big to fail ones was such a great idea........screwed the entire countries in a few years............

For over 200 years we didn't have Free Trade.......it worked until people like you said it was broken.
Free trade and globalism made America wealthy. Supplying the Allies in WWII, supplying Europe during post-war reconstruction, during the late 40’s and 50’s brought basically full employment and a huge middle class to the US. That and Roosevelt’s New Deal tax code.

Republican destroyed the New Deal when Reagan was elected and it’s been downhill for working class Americans ever since. Successive tax cuts have tilted the economy so that wealth is now siphoned from the middle class to the working poor, to the benefit of the wealthy who are kept beholding to both their employers and the government because of “earned income credits” have become necessary to support the low wages paid by corporations in some sectors.
 

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Trudeau says NAFTA negotiations stalled after Pence demanded sunset clause

Does this idiot not realize Canada and Mexico are in NO WIN SITUATIONS here? If they fail to renegotiate NAFTA then we just pull out and laugh as Mexico and Canada come screaming back for deals! Then we do 1 on 1 deals with them each! We hold ALL the cards!
Canada would be better off with a separate deal anyways. But really, the only thing that's going to happen is that prices will rise for everyone, us, Canada, Mehico, Europe... It's the little guys getting burned by the rich once again. Welcome to Trump's America, it's what you voted for.
Yeah............we are all going to die because our Gov't is standing up and negotiating deals for Fair Trade instead of allowing them to fuck us over.........................

You do this .................we will do that.............it's called negotiating............if they walk out with their fucking panties in a wad............we'll make it ourself............or find another supplier..................

Wah...............If Canada stops sending a Product we are all gonna die................Got news for you........This is a big dang world..........................And we can buy from someone else.....................

Guess you don't see that now do you...............

Most of the fight is over steel and aluminum...............and it isn't that big of a deal.
You just don't understand what's going on. Trump will make steel more expensive by cutting off foreign sources and then Americans sources will be more expensive, as will any imports with duties. When they go build your next car, the steel they use will be more expensive, and who do you think is going to pay for that? You.
You just don't understand that when we import all our goods that American Jobs and industry are lost................And that it screws the people who need a decent paycheck to buy the goods corps who have left the reservation produce in 3rd world shit holes.

And you ignore that these countries bitching already use protectionism against us.................If it's so bad then why the hell are they blocking our products..................hmmmm............

Should we stand aside and allow China to over produce...........subsidize products............steal intellectual property and get away with it.................Destroy our means of production..............

Face it.........the only thing people like you care about are your Stock values...........trade it 10000 times a day and make a killing..............speculate your asses off and screw everyone............Self Regulation of the too big to fail ones was such a great idea........screwed the entire countries in a few years............

For over 200 years we didn't have Free Trade.......it worked until people like you said it was broken.
Nah! Then why is the US economy is the best we’ve seen? Unemployment is very low, businesses are booming all over America especially here in California.

BOTTOM LINE........ Consumers like you and I will pay more. Is that a good thing?
 

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Republican destroyed the New Deal when Reagan was elected and it’s been downhill for working class Americans ever since.
Pres. Reagan revived the economy by finally shedding the last vestiges of the communist New Deal and reinstating free trade.capitalism. ... :thup:
 

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Trudeau says NAFTA negotiations stalled after Pence demanded sunset clause

Does this idiot not realize Canada and Mexico are in NO WIN SITUATIONS here? If they fail to renegotiate NAFTA then we just pull out and laugh as Mexico and Canada come screaming back for deals! Then we do 1 on 1 deals with them each! We hold ALL the cards!
Canada would be better off with a separate deal anyways. But really, the only thing that's going to happen is that prices will rise for everyone, us, Canada, Mehico, Europe... It's the little guys getting burned by the rich once again. Welcome to Trump's America, it's what you voted for.
1. Yeah............we are all going to die because our Gov't is standing up and negotiating deals for Fair Trade instead of allowing them to fuck us over.........................

You do this .................we will do that.............it's called negotiating............if they walk out with their fucking panties in a wad............we'll make it ourself............or find another supplier..................

2. Wah...............If Canada stops sending a Product we are all gonna die................Got news for you........This is a big dang world..........................And we can buy from someone else.....................

Guess you don't see that now do you...............

2. Most of the fight is over steel and aluminum...............and it isn't that big of a deal.
1. Just because Trump told you that doesn’t mean it’s true.
We’ll make it ourselves? Really? If that is true we could have made those products here in US a long time ago. Don’t you think?

Even your buddy Trump made his products like lousy neck ties from China, Mexico and India. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT?


Get from other suppliers? Buy from someone else? This is not like buying your beer at your grocery store.

3. Yes it’s a very big deal. Because prices of aluminum and steel that we made in US will also increase. NOT lower. Cars and other products that heavily use these materials will also increase. NOT lower.

Even his own party like Paul Ryan is blasting Trump.

LASTLY: Aside from Trump lap dog that are scared of Trump. Give me one economist, business investors or anybody ............. that supports Trump.
Your major malfunction is because Trump told me is BS...............Would you hypocritical idiots please get a room with Trump with your daily LOVE FEST OF HIM.................

Leave me out of that shit.
Very funny. This is the best rebuttal you can give me?
Nice try. You cannot even answer a very simple question let alone taking about economy and trades.

I am talking about reality in life. Not bullshit.
 

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Trudeau says NAFTA negotiations stalled after Pence demanded sunset clause

Does this idiot not realize Canada and Mexico are in NO WIN SITUATIONS here? If they fail to renegotiate NAFTA then we just pull out and laugh as Mexico and Canada come screaming back for deals! Then we do 1 on 1 deals with them each! We hold ALL the cards!
Canada would be better off with a separate deal anyways. But really, the only thing that's going to happen is that prices will rise for everyone, us, Canada, Mehico, Europe... It's the little guys getting burned by the rich once again. Welcome to Trump's America, it's what you voted for.
Yeah............we are all going to die because our Gov't is standing up and negotiating deals for Fair Trade instead of allowing them to fuck us over.........................

You do this .................we will do that.............it's called negotiating............if they walk out with their fucking panties in a wad............we'll make it ourself............or find another supplier..................

Wah...............If Canada stops sending a Product we are all gonna die................Got news for you........This is a big dang world..........................And we can buy from someone else.....................

Guess you don't see that now do you...............

Most of the fight is over steel and aluminum...............and it isn't that big of a deal.
Other countries haven’t been “fucking you over with trade”. That’s the dumbest part of Trump’s great trade lies. It’s US corporations who have fucked you over in search of lower costs and higher profits.

Walmart was actively encouraging suppliers to offshore manufacturing to lower wholesale costs. One supplier said he felt he had no choice and that he’d lose the contract if he couldn’t give them the lower prices they wanted. Here’s an article from 2003.

The Wal-Mart You Don’t Know

Americans are now the whiniest people on earth and instead of looking in the mirror where the root causes of your problems exist, Trump looks for “others” to blame. It’s not the fault of Americans they don’t buy goods that are “made in America” because they want the cheapest price possible and quality be damned. It’s China’s fault for “taking advantage”.

Canada is the largest importer of US goods and services in the world. You’re driving away your largest customer. We just signed a $40 billion dollar trade deal with the EU. We’re part of TPP. We’re ready with other options.

China, the world’s fastest growing economy is poised to swoop in when Dumb Donald pulls this crap.

Oh and Mexico has an election coming up. The guy who’s leading the polls is the radical who is promising to take a hard line against Trump’s trade policies.

Dumb. Really fucking dumb.
Ahhhh STFU...............I posted a bunch of information on how China and other nations are fucking us......

But your LOVE AFFAIR WITH TRUMP will not let you see it...........

Do you have a Trump picture on your wall at home.............to blow kisses at......................
We are talking about Canada.

I can tell you right now. Your droppings all over stinks.

Based from your post here. You DON’T know what you are talking about trades and economics.
 

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Trudeau says NAFTA negotiations stalled after Pence demanded sunset clause

Does this idiot not realize Canada and Mexico are in NO WIN SITUATIONS here? If they fail to renegotiate NAFTA then we just pull out and laugh as Mexico and Canada come screaming back for deals! Then we do 1 on 1 deals with them each! We hold ALL the cards!
Canada would be better off with a separate deal anyways. But really, the only thing that's going to happen is that prices will rise for everyone, us, Canada, Mehico, Europe... It's the little guys getting burned by the rich once again. Welcome to Trump's America, it's what you voted for.
Yeah............we are all going to die because our Gov't is standing up and negotiating deals for Fair Trade instead of allowing them to fuck us over.........................

You do this .................we will do that.............it's called negotiating............if they walk out with their fucking panties in a wad............we'll make it ourself............or find another supplier..................

Wah...............If Canada stops sending a Product we are all gonna die................Got news for you........This is a big dang world..........................And we can buy from someone else.....................

Guess you don't see that now do you...............

Most of the fight is over steel and aluminum...............and it isn't that big of a deal.
Other countries haven’t been “fucking you over with trade”. That’s the dumbest part of Trump’s great trade lies. It’s US corporations who have fucked you over in search of lower costs and higher profits.

Walmart was actively encouraging suppliers to offshore manufacturing to lower wholesale costs. One supplier said he felt he had no choice and that he’d lose the contract if he couldn’t give them the lower prices they wanted. Here’s an article from 2003.

The Wal-Mart You Don’t Know

Americans are now the whiniest people on earth and instead of looking in the mirror where the root causes of your problems exist, Trump looks for “others” to blame. It’s not the fault of Americans they don’t buy goods that are “made in America” because they want the cheapest price possible and quality be damned. It’s China’s fault for “taking advantage”.

Canada is the largest importer of US goods and services in the world. You’re driving away your largest customer. We just signed a $40 billion dollar trade deal with the EU. We’re part of TPP. We’re ready with other options.

China, the world’s fastest growing economy is poised to swoop in when Dumb Donald pulls this crap.

Oh and Mexico has an election coming up. The guy who’s leading the polls is the radical who is promising to take a hard line against Trump’s trade policies.

Dumb. Really fucking dumb.
Ahhhh STFU...............I posted a bunch of information on how China and other nations are fucking us......

But your LOVE AFFAIR WITH TRUMP will not let you see it...........

Do you have a Trump picture on your wall at home.............to blow kisses at......................
We are talking about Canada.

I can tell you right now. Your droppings all over stinks.

Based from your post here. You DON’T know what you are talking about trades and economics.
Negotiating for better deals for our country over others isn't BS............as you say...

Other countries ban our goods and use trade barriers against us............Looking for a better deal to keep jobs here is in our best interest.........even if I have to pay a little more.

You would rather the jobs go to other countries to buy more of their stuff and to put other to work in other countries.

Free Trade is BS...........we didn't do this crap for over 200 years and we did just fine. Until people like you said it was broken................

Negotiated deals country to country worked...........and now we become dependent on others for all our goods.............Not in our best interests.
 

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Why do lefties care so much about Mexico? Is it possible that a couple of decades of left wing propaganda sponsored by the federal government has caused generations of kids to forget that they live in the greatest Country in the world? It should be refreshing that we finally have a president that puts America first but the left seems to thrive on the anger and unrest associated with economic stagnation and unemployment.
 

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Republicans don't understand there is a world out there.

Canada will end up making a trade agreement with Mexico, China and other Asian countries.

Trump doesn't know what he's doing. Look how he fuked up the Carrier deal.
 

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As for trade deals with Canada, who's money is building the billions of dollar pipe line across our country? when completed where is the oil going to be shipped.? if what we call our allies start doing business with China, Russia, & others who will be the next world leader? are you comfortable with China as the world leader? Russia wants its power back, are we comfortable with them having more money to be able to invade to smaller country's, so many questions, just bullying our way into better deals is that the answer? have no expertise in this area, but do know that solutions require finesse.
 

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This isn't just about the Us and Canada. Trump my be very well digging a grave for his own people. Also don't forget what would happen to the US if Canada shut off it's main water supply.
G7 ministers criticise US tariffs and warn of trade war
G7 ministers criticise US tariffs
 
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This isn't just about the Us and Canada. Trump my be very well digging a grave for his own people. Also don't forget what would happen to the US if Canada shut off it's main water supply.
G7 ministers criticise US tariffs and warn of trade war
G7 ministers criticise US tariffs
They want to learn things the hard way. So be it. Everyone that goes up against President Trump loses in the end but idiots keep trying to test him.
 

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This isn't just about the Us and Canada. Trump my be very well digging a grave for his own people. Also don't forget what would happen to the US if Canada shut off it's main water supply.
G7 ministers criticise US tariffs and warn of trade war
G7 ministers criticise US tariffs
At that point it's an act of war... May I remind you that The US Military is the default Military of Canada as they rely on us to fund and protect their National sovereignty and protection.
 

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Great. We don't need any allys, and at the rate we're going, we soon won't have any.
You idiots whine when NAFTA is implemented and whine when it isn't.

And no matter what crap you want to throw in the fan, not one ally flipped because of Trump or because of Obama either direction. Sorry to throw reality in your face. OK, I'm not ...
 

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This isn't just about the Us and Canada. Trump my be very well digging a grave for his own people. Also don't forget what would happen to the US if Canada shut off it's main water supply.
G7 ministers criticise US tariffs and warn of trade war
G7 ministers criticise US tariffs
At that point it's an act of war... May I remind you that The US Military is the default Military of Canada as they rely on us to fund and protect their National sovereignty and protection.
Yeah but if Trump pisses off every single other country including all his closest allies who is going to back up the US. The US cannot win against the whole world. Whether it's a trade war or a real war, if the US has no allies they would crumble.
 

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Trudeau has to realize that Canada consists of approximately 35,000,000 people. We have two metropolitan areas alone that together equal that.
Hilarious. You insist those areas shouldn't be represented proportionally in government yet wave them as leverage in trade matters. I love it.

They are represented proportionally, do you even know how the constitution works? holy shit the ignorance is amazing.
 

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This isn't just about the Us and Canada. Trump my be very well digging a grave for his own people. Also don't forget what would happen to the US if Canada shut off it's main water supply.
G7 ministers criticise US tariffs and warn of trade war
G7 ministers criticise US tariffs
At that point it's an act of war... May I remind you that The US Military is the default Military of Canada as they rely on us to fund and protect their National sovereignty and protection.
Yeah but if Trump pisses off every single other country including all his closest allies who is going to back up the US. The US cannot win against the whole world. Whether it's a trade war or a real war, if the US has no allies they would crumble.
Well if its a real war.....and we don't join in, whos gonna fight it?
 

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