What is the proper help? Demanding that everyone this child comes into contact with accept his delusion isn't at all the proper help. The boy said he was afraid he would never be a woman. That's true. No matter what was done to him he was never going to be a woman. He was always going to be male with a penis. Even if his penis is removed he will still have it the way amputees have phantom limbs. The non existent foot itches the way his non existent balls will itch. So no he will never be a woman. He needed therapy to help him suck it up and go on.
Transgender teen: 'My death needs to mean something'
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Steinlight
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Wow, what a well adjusted individual, transgenders clearly don't suffer from mental illness at all and are normal people just like you and me.
Because they are progressive idiots.
DNA says otherwise.
They have to live with contributing to their daughter's death.
Beautiful and intelligent girl.
Teen suicide isn't uncommon. This case is a sad as all the others, nothing special. Blaming his parents was part of his problem. What's your problem?
This is yet another case when liberals bury their heads in the sand when scientific facts prove them wrong 100%.
A self mutilated cross dressing queer is still a male, no matter what the progressives want to pretend otherwise.
Iceweasel
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We don't get it because it's bullshit. If your personality is that you feel you are something that you are not, the problem isn't your body, it's your personality. We used to call that a mental disorder, now we are supposed to call reality the disorder.
R.D.
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There is nothing to indicate he wasn't getting the proper help. In fact the opposite seems to be the case.
This boy was allergic to not getting his way
emilynghiem
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The therapy needed was
Spiritual healing, based on forgiveness of deep rooted issues,
Some inherited unconsciously by
Generational conditions passed down.
Some ppl have discovered this level of healing through Buddhist meditation on past life karma passed down, others experience it through generational healing through christian deliverance prayer to get rid of negative strongholds and traps.
As long as we keep ppl.divided politically or religiously, we obscure the cure that ppl have found by transcending these barriers and freeing themselves. The truth is independent of religion and politics that has set ppl free from both and the negative divisions and barriers they create, which prevents us from putting solutions and information together. Yes society will also change, but it will take equal work and healing on all sides. It isnt about the Other side or Other group changing but all people changing how we look at each other. And quit fearing its other ppl who need to change.
The therapy needed was
Spiritual healing, based on forgiveness of deep rooted issues,
Some inherited unconsciously by
Generational conditions passed down.
Some ppl have discovered this level of healing through Buddhist meditation on past life karma passed down, others experience it through generational healing through christian deliverance prayer to get rid of negative strongholds and traps.
As long as we keep ppl.divided politically or religiously, we obscure the cure that ppl have found by transcending these barriers and freeing themselves. The truth is independent of religion and politics that has set ppl free from both and the negative divisions and barriers they create, which prevents us from putting solutions and information together. Yes society will also change, but it will take equal work and healing on all sides. It isnt about the Other side or Other group changing but all people changing how we look at each other. And quit fearing its other ppl who need to change.
emilynghiem
Constitutionalist / Universalist
Yes, and ppl who rebel against help are sometimes found to have demonic sickness that can be removed by deliverance or exorcism.
The two schizophrenic patients profiled in Scott Pecks book when he first studied this method of treatment were far more dangerously dysfunctional than this kid sounds. And he was able to help ppl worse off.
It depends on the person, the situation and timing.
As with the movie Emily Rose some ppl are meant to get help in time, but some cases arent -- as a motivation to push to get more knowledge out there on how to diagnose the difference between cases so more and more ppl Can get help in tge future. This poor kid may or may not have been the type who could have found healing, but many others can get help who arent right now. That part can change and i just dont agree with using suicide to push it. But its better than using school shootings and homicide. It could have been better handled but it could also be worse.
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Seriously?
From his own writing we know he was a brat who hated that his parents disciplined him and tried to actually parent him instead of indulging his whims. If all 14 year olds who hated their parents decided to kill themselves we would have ceased to exist centuries ago.
He dressed and pretended to be a girl without them throwing him out, forcing him to act like a boy, taking is stupid postings down, turning his sister against him etc. He had friends and support and it can be easily inferred he made life in that family a living hell...he was in charge. Families are only as healthy as their most tyrannical member which was very likely him
emilynghiem
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This kid was still able to communicate verbally.
The schizophrenic patients i referenced from ScottcPecks book were not able to manage their ability to reason.
If those patients could be healed and cured of violent rejection and rebellion,
Why not this kid who wasnt as bad off as they were?
If parents dont ask for help with full forgiveness and healing, then ppl stay stuck.
But those who do ask receive healing.
Its free for the asking if more ppl knew it works.
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You're off on an odd tangent I can't follow. No disrespect intended, but you're not actually addressing the facts that we know.
He was in counseling and rejected it. He was accepted and loved and rejected that. He was ill but society today coddles such illness and created the self absorbed drama queen ( pun intended) vacuum he chose to live and die in.
emilynghiem
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Yes, and so were the schizophrenic patients who later got cured
rejecting help so badly they were deemed incureable.
Spiritual treatment is different from the other counseling without that.
If more people were on the same page with this,
more people would get help.
We are talking about two different levels of counseling.
The counseling without the spiritual healing using deliverance and exorcism
fails because the person stays in a state of rejection and rebellion.
The factor of unforgiveness and rejection has to be healed first
before the other counseling will work at all!
This is why Scott Peck wrote out his observations in his book
on "Glimpses of the Devil" where he figured out where this behavior
was coming from, and how more such impossible patients could
actually be helped if they received the right diagnosis and treatment.
You can't cure extreme viruses using the same medications used for the common cold or flu.
Some viruses require specific antibodies and antidotes just for that virus.
So just because one form of therapy doesn't work and is rejected,
doesn't mean another one cannot work effectively. if you don't apply the right one,
of course the person will reject and remain sick.
Peck urged that these spiritual methods be researched
and developed formally through medical science as a valid form of treatment.
He recognized that people deemed incureable could actually be cured
if they receive the right diagnosis and treatment early enough, instead of waiting too long
and the conditions growing worse over time. Just like cancer the chances
are higher if this is identified and treated early.
He was still able to help cure patients who had suffered extreme
schizophrenic demonic rebellious voices and rejection of help
all their adult lives. If they could be helped, surely an earlier stage might have a chance
if the right therapy were applied. If you don't remove the demonic influence first,
then the other cures won't work. All the people who practice deliverance will
tell you it requires identifying and removing the specific source of blockage for the healing to work afterwards.
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I don't agree with suicide in most cases. I think what this girl did was selfish, but I hope her and her family find some sort of peace.
emilynghiem
Constitutionalist / Universalist
Well, I'd have to see what level of counseling he and his family went through.
The Christian prayer and counseling that most people refer to
is NOT the same as the deeper Spiritual healing and deliverance.
And when one counselor doesn't work, you might have to go to another.
One of my friends couldn't be helped at all by his own uncle praying for deliverance,
but another friend of mine was able to pray with a partner to remove the demonic rage
tormenting him. So a different person can make the difference if another one fails.
See Francis MacNutt HEALING which includes Twelve Reasons why the
process may fail and what can be done to resolve it in most cases.
He also has a website and explains in his book how this level of healing is different
from the regular type of prayer and counseling:
Christian Healing Ministries - Christian Healing Ministries
Dr. Phillip Goldfedder is another practitioner of deeper spiritual healing
Healing Is Yours
The common factor is complete healing of the person and family AROUND them.
So in this case, if the WHOLE FAMILY needed healing, or the larger
community AROUND them, that could also be the key factor.
Forgiveness and healing around the person,
and removing any negative source of ill will or rejection
that is otherwise killing the spirit of life and love.
I cannot say what this person needed; I just know that
other cases found success later, after many years of suffering
from "incureable mental illness" when they finally got the right help
from the right person at the right time. Every case is different, but
the common factor is forgiveness and healing of anything negative that is obstructing the process.
if it doesn't work, that means there is some conflict
unforgiven that hasn't been resolved yet. So you keep moving forward
and forgiving every little barrier or conflict until the love flows freely and allows the healing energy
of life to be received in full. Somehow this soul got stuck,
and it's usually because of unforgiven issues somewhere down the line.
emilynghiem
Constitutionalist / Universalist
BTW I copied the text of Acorn's suicide note.
Two things I would like to note, in sum:
(1) the Christian counselors were described as not helping but only projecting and saying this person was wrong and needed to change. Francis MacNutt, in his book on Can Homosexuality be Healed, stressed the important factor of NOT imposing this way and expecting anyone to heal of anything. The environment of Healing and forgiveness is what allows the change in the person's life. And the Christian gay theology student who spoke at my college said she came to terms with accepting she was born gay, and wouldn't change, AFTER going through the healing prayer. So even when she DIDN'T change her orientation she became at Peace with it.
That is the one place that i could imagine Christians telling Alcorn about being wrong:
that YES you can be happy and you CAN receive healing and fulfillment in life by FORGIVING
what is making you feel worried and depressed.
(2) the other thing I must note
this person sounds completely reasonable and workable with
I think in fact, easier to talk with than the young man who came out as transgendered online
with me and argued, even cut me off and threatened never to email again, when I first brought up
the idea that Christianity DIDN'T judge by physical gender and the issue was spiritual balance between male
and female, and the physical roles would follow. Not to make conditions out of this, and to forgive if society did.
So if it took me several weeks to work things out with my friend online, who was very stubborn and afraid,
but eventually came out as transgender and embraced this part and felt loved,
then I think there was hope for this kid who sounds every bit capable of workign this out.
Just lost the will to live with depression. But sounds more reasonable than another person I interacted with who WAS able to finish the conversation and work things out to come to peace about being transgender, and actually finding more joy and love in forgiveness and healing than before when "he" was trying to be something "he" was not and resented it.
From reading this note below, I don't think this kid was unreachable:
========================================================
If you are reading this, it means that I have committed suicide and obviously failed to delete this post from my queue.
Please don't be sad, it's for the better. The life I would've lived isn't worth living in ... because I'm transgender. I could go into detail explaining why I feel that way, but this note is probably going to be lengthy enough as it is. To put it simply, I feel like a girl trapped in a boy's body, and I've felt that way ever since I was 4. I never knew there was a word for that feeling, nor was it possible for a boy to become a girl, so I never told anyone and I just continued to do traditionally "boyish" things to try to fit in.
When I was 14, I learned what transgender meant and cried of happiness. After 10 years of confusion I finally understood who I was. I immediately told my mom, and she reacted extremely negatively, telling me that it was a phase, that I would never truly be a girl, that God doesn't make mistakes, that I am wrong. If you are reading this, parents, please don't tell this to your kids. Even if you are Christian or are against transgender people don't ever say that to someone, especially your kid. That won't do anything but make them hate them self. That's exactly what it did to me.
My mom started taking me to a therapist, but would only take me to christian therapists, (who were all very biased) so I never actually got the therapy I needed to cure me of my depression. I only got more christians telling me that I was selfish and wrong and that I should look to God for help.
When I was 16 I realized that my parents would never come around, and that I would have to wait until I was 18 to start any sort of transitioning treatment, which absolutely broke my heart. The longer you wait, the harder it is to transition. I felt hopeless, that I was just going to look like a man in drag for the rest of my life. On my 16th birthday, when I didn't receive consent from my parents to start transitioning, I cried myself to sleep.
I formed a sort of a "**** you" attitude towards my parents and came out as gay at school, thinking that maybe if I eased into coming out as trans it would be less of a shock. Although the reaction from my friends was positive, my parents were pissed. They felt like I was attacking their image, and that I was an embarrassment to them. They wanted me to be their perfect little straight christian boy, and that's obviously not what I wanted.
So they took me out of public school, took away my laptop and phone, and forbid me of getting on any sort of social media, completely isolating me from my friends. This was probably the part of my life when I was the most depressed, and I'm surprised I didn't kill myself. I was completely alone for 5 months. No friends, no support, no love. Just my parent's disappointment and the cruelty of loneliness.
At the end of the school year, my parents finally came around and gave me my phone and let me back on social media. I was excited, I finally had my friends back. They were extremely excited to see me and talk to me, but only at first. Eventually they realized they didn't actually give a shit about me, and I felt even lonelier than I did before. The only friends I thought I had only liked me because they saw me five times a week.
After a summer of having almost no friends plus the weight of having to think about college, save money for moving out, keep my grades up, go to church each week and feel like shit because everyone there is against everything I live for, I have decided I've had enough. I'm never going to transition successfully, even when I move out. I'm never going to be happy with the way I look or sound. I'm never going to have enough friends to satisfy me. I'm never going to have enough love to satisfy me. I'm never going to find a man who loves me. I'm never going to be happy. Either I live the rest of my life as a lonely man who wishes he were a woman or I live my life as a lonelier woman who hates herself. There's no winning. There's no way out. I'm sad enough already, I don't need my life to get any worse. People say "it gets better" but that isn't true in my case. It gets worse. Each day I get worse.
That's the gist of it, that's why I feel like killing myself. Sorry if that's not a good enough reason for you, it's good enough for me. As for my will, I want 100% of the things that I legally own to be sold and the money (plus my money in the bank) to be given to trans civil rights movements and support groups, I don't give a shit which one. The only way I will rest in peace is if one day transgender people aren't treated the way I was, they're treated like humans, with valid feelings and human rights. Gender needs to be taught about in schools, the earlier the better. My death needs to mean something. My death needs to be counted in the number of transgender people who commit suicide this year. I want someone to look at that number and say "that's fucked up" and fix it. Fix society. Please.
Goodbye,
(Leelah) Josh Alcorn
Read more at snopes.com Death of Leelah Alcorn
===========================
BTW as for the petition to change Alcorn's headstone,
I think if he did not kill himself, perhaps you could ask the family.
But I would not encourage more young people to kill themselves for public sympathy
and then pressure the family afterwards.
Why reward and encourage suicide.
I would be careful to try to work with the family and not add any more pressure.
If we are going to heal this whole situation, we need to work WITH
the family not against them or that is not helping this soul find peace.
We all need to be at peace, and not at the expense of pressuring or blaming the family
or anyone else. That isn't helping the goal this kid asked for.
Two things I would like to note, in sum:
(1) the Christian counselors were described as not helping but only projecting and saying this person was wrong and needed to change. Francis MacNutt, in his book on Can Homosexuality be Healed, stressed the important factor of NOT imposing this way and expecting anyone to heal of anything. The environment of Healing and forgiveness is what allows the change in the person's life. And the Christian gay theology student who spoke at my college said she came to terms with accepting she was born gay, and wouldn't change, AFTER going through the healing prayer. So even when she DIDN'T change her orientation she became at Peace with it.
That is the one place that i could imagine Christians telling Alcorn about being wrong:
that YES you can be happy and you CAN receive healing and fulfillment in life by FORGIVING
what is making you feel worried and depressed.
(2) the other thing I must note
this person sounds completely reasonable and workable with
I think in fact, easier to talk with than the young man who came out as transgendered online
with me and argued, even cut me off and threatened never to email again, when I first brought up
the idea that Christianity DIDN'T judge by physical gender and the issue was spiritual balance between male
and female, and the physical roles would follow. Not to make conditions out of this, and to forgive if society did.
So if it took me several weeks to work things out with my friend online, who was very stubborn and afraid,
but eventually came out as transgender and embraced this part and felt loved,
then I think there was hope for this kid who sounds every bit capable of workign this out.
Just lost the will to live with depression. But sounds more reasonable than another person I interacted with who WAS able to finish the conversation and work things out to come to peace about being transgender, and actually finding more joy and love in forgiveness and healing than before when "he" was trying to be something "he" was not and resented it.
From reading this note below, I don't think this kid was unreachable:
========================================================
If you are reading this, it means that I have committed suicide and obviously failed to delete this post from my queue.
Please don't be sad, it's for the better. The life I would've lived isn't worth living in ... because I'm transgender. I could go into detail explaining why I feel that way, but this note is probably going to be lengthy enough as it is. To put it simply, I feel like a girl trapped in a boy's body, and I've felt that way ever since I was 4. I never knew there was a word for that feeling, nor was it possible for a boy to become a girl, so I never told anyone and I just continued to do traditionally "boyish" things to try to fit in.
When I was 14, I learned what transgender meant and cried of happiness. After 10 years of confusion I finally understood who I was. I immediately told my mom, and she reacted extremely negatively, telling me that it was a phase, that I would never truly be a girl, that God doesn't make mistakes, that I am wrong. If you are reading this, parents, please don't tell this to your kids. Even if you are Christian or are against transgender people don't ever say that to someone, especially your kid. That won't do anything but make them hate them self. That's exactly what it did to me.
My mom started taking me to a therapist, but would only take me to christian therapists, (who were all very biased) so I never actually got the therapy I needed to cure me of my depression. I only got more christians telling me that I was selfish and wrong and that I should look to God for help.
When I was 16 I realized that my parents would never come around, and that I would have to wait until I was 18 to start any sort of transitioning treatment, which absolutely broke my heart. The longer you wait, the harder it is to transition. I felt hopeless, that I was just going to look like a man in drag for the rest of my life. On my 16th birthday, when I didn't receive consent from my parents to start transitioning, I cried myself to sleep.
I formed a sort of a "**** you" attitude towards my parents and came out as gay at school, thinking that maybe if I eased into coming out as trans it would be less of a shock. Although the reaction from my friends was positive, my parents were pissed. They felt like I was attacking their image, and that I was an embarrassment to them. They wanted me to be their perfect little straight christian boy, and that's obviously not what I wanted.
So they took me out of public school, took away my laptop and phone, and forbid me of getting on any sort of social media, completely isolating me from my friends. This was probably the part of my life when I was the most depressed, and I'm surprised I didn't kill myself. I was completely alone for 5 months. No friends, no support, no love. Just my parent's disappointment and the cruelty of loneliness.
At the end of the school year, my parents finally came around and gave me my phone and let me back on social media. I was excited, I finally had my friends back. They were extremely excited to see me and talk to me, but only at first. Eventually they realized they didn't actually give a shit about me, and I felt even lonelier than I did before. The only friends I thought I had only liked me because they saw me five times a week.
After a summer of having almost no friends plus the weight of having to think about college, save money for moving out, keep my grades up, go to church each week and feel like shit because everyone there is against everything I live for, I have decided I've had enough. I'm never going to transition successfully, even when I move out. I'm never going to be happy with the way I look or sound. I'm never going to have enough friends to satisfy me. I'm never going to have enough love to satisfy me. I'm never going to find a man who loves me. I'm never going to be happy. Either I live the rest of my life as a lonely man who wishes he were a woman or I live my life as a lonelier woman who hates herself. There's no winning. There's no way out. I'm sad enough already, I don't need my life to get any worse. People say "it gets better" but that isn't true in my case. It gets worse. Each day I get worse.
That's the gist of it, that's why I feel like killing myself. Sorry if that's not a good enough reason for you, it's good enough for me. As for my will, I want 100% of the things that I legally own to be sold and the money (plus my money in the bank) to be given to trans civil rights movements and support groups, I don't give a shit which one. The only way I will rest in peace is if one day transgender people aren't treated the way I was, they're treated like humans, with valid feelings and human rights. Gender needs to be taught about in schools, the earlier the better. My death needs to mean something. My death needs to be counted in the number of transgender people who commit suicide this year. I want someone to look at that number and say "that's fucked up" and fix it. Fix society. Please.
Goodbye,
(Leelah) Josh Alcorn
Read more at snopes.com Death of Leelah Alcorn
===========================
BTW as for the petition to change Alcorn's headstone,
I think if he did not kill himself, perhaps you could ask the family.
But I would not encourage more young people to kill themselves for public sympathy
and then pressure the family afterwards.
Why reward and encourage suicide.
I would be careful to try to work with the family and not add any more pressure.
If we are going to heal this whole situation, we need to work WITH
the family not against them or that is not helping this soul find peace.
We all need to be at peace, and not at the expense of pressuring or blaming the family
or anyone else. That isn't helping the goal this kid asked for.
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emilynghiem
Constitutionalist / Universalist
When I looked into suicide, I found three or four most common triggers
(a) losing the will to live by depression where the soul just feels so empty it dies off and the
person makes decisions to fulfill that physically
(b) Anger where the person in a heat of passion kills themselves and/or others
to say FU to someone or to the world for not getting what they want so nobody is getting what they want
(c) a sudden disruption in the life flow, it can be a disconnect, or can be a disruption from negative spiritual
conflict or oppressive invasive influence, such as occult or ritual abuse, drug addiction, some really negative energy
that causes things to go out of control and people die, either by suicide homicide or other accidents.
(d) being in so much pain, physically or mentally, that the only way they believe they can escape is to die
The common factor is a disruption or break in the flow of life energy that normally supports people through
even tough times.
With depression, you can often see the loss of energy and life and it can be ongoing for a long time.
But some cases are sudden, where nobody sees them coming.
The analogy that helped me to understand was the idea that it is a
spiritual robber that attacks people and robs them of their will to live.
So some people can survive the attack, but others succumb and die.
Even some survivors of the initial attack on one person can die later if they lose the will to live as a consequence.
Because the robber in this case is invisible, in the spirit,
we tend to blame the people we CAN see. But if it was the case
of a physical robber, breaking into a house, we might sympathize with the victims of the attack.
Some robbers kill the people they rob, some leave them wounded.
sometimes people "let the robber in" if they leave the door open or
open the door to a stranger, or if they invite the wrong people inside as friends who really aren't.
So there is a tendency to try to blame the victims when we don't know how to explain the justice behind wrongs that happen.
If we see this attack on the will to live
as hurting the whole family, and causing one person to die,
that might help isolate what caused the break in the system.
usually it is some unforgiven conflict that spreads negative energy
that blocks the positive flow. So when the positive flow of life and love
is cut off, then relations can die, and so can souls who lose the will or strength to live.
The key to strengthening the ties is forgiveness so love can flow freely
and keep people alive and wanting to live for themselves and others.
AvgGuyIA
Gold Member
Wrong pronoun. It's "him". Transgender is a mental disorder. I'm sure there is some liberal behind this boy's decision to off himself.
AvgGuyIA
Gold Member
Boy! People like you encourage this mental illness and it lead to his death.
They have to live with contributing to their daughter's death.
Beautiful and intelligent girl.
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