Transgender diagnosis

[Aba Incieni]

Is Being Transgender a Mental Disorder?

It used to be that being diagnosed as transgender was considered to be a mental illness, but not today.

Why?

If it is not a disorder then why the need to flood the body with foreign hormones and mutilate perfectly healthy genitals?

You should do some reading on the subject before asking such a stupid question!


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I think the assumption here is that scientists have more knowledge about science than I do because I'm not a scientist. That would be correct, but that does not mean that they will always be right about science and not me, does it.

Additionally, it was not long ago that scientists labeled this a disorder, so it is not just me saying this, it is science.

I assume you further postulate that any new teachings in science are superior to old ones, as if a change in thought or teaching is due only to increased understanding.

But historically we see this not to always be the case. Just look at the turn of the 20th century when science embraced eugenics. Hitler was the climax of this pursuit, and yes, it was all based upon new science. After Hitler, however, it fell out of favor.

Shocking, I know.

It seems that there are strong feeling that a parent should not consider hormone therapy or medical intervention. My question is what should a parent a do after they have tried support groups, counseling, and psychotherapy with no success.

You mean to prevent the normality of suicide?

There is nothing normal about suicide.

You said it.

 

[Flopper]

You should do some reading on the subject before asking such a stupid question!


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I think the assumption here is that scientists have more knowledge about science than I do because I'm not a scientist. That would be correct, but that does not mean that they will always be right about science and not me, does it.

Additionally, it was not long ago that scientists labeled this a disorder, so it is not just me saying this, it is science.

I assume you further postulate that any new teachings in science are superior to old ones, as if a change in thought or teaching is due only to increased understanding.

But historically we see this not to always be the case. Just look at the turn of the 20th century when science embraced eugenics. Hitler was the climax of this pursuit, and yes, it was all based upon new science. After Hitler, however, it fell out of favor.

Shocking, I know.

It seems that there are strong feeling that a parent should not consider hormone therapy or medical intervention. My question is what should a parent a do after they have tried support groups, counseling, and psychotherapy with no success.

You mean to prevent the normality of suicide?

There is nothing normal about suicide.

You said it.

Suicide can not be considered normal because the act overrides our most basic instinct, that of self-preservation. Our own mind turns on itself and seduces the host into self-destruction.

 

[Votto]

I think the assumption here is that scientists have more knowledge about science than I do because I'm not a scientist. That would be correct, but that does not mean that they will always be right about science and not me, does it.

Additionally, it was not long ago that scientists labeled this a disorder, so it is not just me saying this, it is science.

I assume you further postulate that any new teachings in science are superior to old ones, as if a change in thought or teaching is due only to increased understanding.

But historically we see this not to always be the case. Just look at the turn of the 20th century when science embraced eugenics. Hitler was the climax of this pursuit, and yes, it was all based upon new science. After Hitler, however, it fell out of favor.

Shocking, I know.

It seems that there are strong feeling that a parent should not consider hormone therapy or medical intervention. My question is what should a parent a do after they have tried support groups, counseling, and psychotherapy with no success.

You mean to prevent the normality of suicide?

There is nothing normal about suicide.

You said it.

Suicide can not be considered normal because the act overrides our most basic instinct, that of self-preservation. Our own mind turns on itself and seduces the host into self-destruction.

In todays world, there appears to not be any disorders, so I assume that means everything is normal.

 

[Aba Incieni]

I think the assumption here is that scientists have more knowledge about science than I do because I'm not a scientist. That would be correct, but that does not mean that they will always be right about science and not me, does it.

Additionally, it was not long ago that scientists labeled this a disorder, so it is not just me saying this, it is science.

I assume you further postulate that any new teachings in science are superior to old ones, as if a change in thought or teaching is due only to increased understanding.

But historically we see this not to always be the case. Just look at the turn of the 20th century when science embraced eugenics. Hitler was the climax of this pursuit, and yes, it was all based upon new science. After Hitler, however, it fell out of favor.

Shocking, I know.

It seems that there are strong feeling that a parent should not consider hormone therapy or medical intervention. My question is what should a parent a do after they have tried support groups, counseling, and psychotherapy with no success.

You mean to prevent the normality of suicide?

There is nothing normal about suicide.

You said it.

Suicide can not be considered normal because the act overrides our most basic instinct, that of self-preservation. Our own mind turns on itself and seduces the host into self-destruction.

Yep. And yet some argue trannies are normal. Their own stats say otherwise, as you confirm.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Is Being Transgender a Mental Disorder?

It used to be that being diagnosed as transgender was considered to be a mental illness, but not today.

Why?

If it is not a disorder then why the need to flood the body with foreign hormones and mutilate perfectly healthy genitals?

You should do some reading on the subject before asking such a stupid question!


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It's still a mental disorder whether you believe it or not.

You can believe whatever the **** you want. I think ignorance is a mental disorder

You can't change biology. A man cannot become a woman. Why do you believe lies and worse yet, expect others to believe it too? Folks in Canada face imprisonment if they refuse to believe a man can switch to a woman. I don't want that shit coming here.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Is Being Transgender a Mental Disorder?

It used to be that being diagnosed as transgender was considered to be a mental illness, but not today.

Why?

If it is not a disorder then why the need to flood the body with foreign hormones and mutilate perfectly healthy genitals?

This is vitally important to you. Your concern for trans people is touching.

I see, so because I have a problem with people mutilating their genitals and being pumped full of unnatural hormones I have no compassion for thans people?

Thanks for that.

The thing is that you children out there now being pumped full of hormones and "transitioning". If adults like Herbert Garrison are doing it, that's one thing. An adult can make an adult decision and suffer the consequences. For children, its a different story entirely. They are supposed to be somewhat protected from their Stupidity.

You're showing your ignorance as usual. Children are not transitioned. They may me given hormones to delay puberty so then that can make an informed decision when they are old enough.

. That is child abuse. Parents lose their kids for lessor offenses to them.

 

[Circe]

A transgender wants to cut his dick off so you can fondle her boobs.

Naaaaaaah, it's just men wanting to be male prostitutes, but only males want them, so they are trying to say they are really female in a pathetic attempt to feel better about themselves.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Genetic testing is not based on assumptions

If you perform genetic testing on a “trans woman”, will the results indicate h'orsh'/it to be male or female?

MALE, Every time.

 

[Flopper]

It seems that there are strong feeling that a parent should not consider hormone therapy or medical intervention. My question is what should a parent a do after they have tried support groups, counseling, and psychotherapy with no success.

You mean to prevent the normality of suicide?

There is nothing normal about suicide.

You said it.

Suicide can not be considered normal because the act overrides our most basic instinct, that of self-preservation. Our own mind turns on itself and seduces the host into self-destruction.

In todays world, there appears to not be any disorders, so I assume that means everything is normal.

In regard to mental health, it's only a disorder if causes you distress or impairment of personal functioning. This is one of the reasons homosexuality is no longer a mental disorder. Homosexuals are able to function in society without distress or personal impairment. People that are transgender may or may not be able to. Those who can't are classified under gender dysphoria disorder.

President Trump is obviously a narcissist but does he have a Narcissistic personality disorder? That would depend on whether it causes interpersonal and occupational difficulties, making happiness and success elusive.

Whether a person is mentally ill depends of their ability to function in society without undue distress.

 

[there4eyeM]

The entire subject is so removed from being an important issue, in a country that has real ones to resolve, that we must assume it is a form of cultural sabotage.

You might sing a different tune if you or someone close to you were trans.

Let's be honest. The 'right' and non-caring attitudes are far removed from my personal considerations. The 'left', with its maudlin milquetoast doesn't express my sentiments.
The enormously tiny percentage of the population affected by this exceptional state cannot justify the upset instigated by militants who obviously only seek some secondary gain.

What "secondary gain" They seek social justice and equality. They seek to be recognized and treated as human beings. Do you have a problem with that?

It is amazing how uniform the willing misreading of content is here. I say "willing" because the content is in clear English. Readers here are almost all native English speakers, after all. Is reading comprehension really so low?

 

[Conservative65]

If you need a psychiatrist to tell you that someone thinking they're the opposite of only 2 possible genders because they claim to be has a mental disorder, you have a mental disorder. The suicide rate for transgenders is about 41%. The hope is that it gets higher and the quicker the better.

Have you ever stopped to reflect on why you're so threatened by the existence of transsexuals nd so resistant to the science behind it? Yes they are self destructive at a higher rate than others BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU and the difficulties that they face in society.

You confuse feeling threatened with not accepting abnormal behavior.

If one of them commits suicide because they get their feelings hurt when someone isn't accepting of their abnormal behavior, that's their problem.

That is pretty ******* cold , dude. What the **** is wrong with you! You are the one with the problem.

There's nothing wrong with me. I'm male, know I'm male, and don't have a mental disorder where I think I can be female because I feel like it.

Nothing wrong with you? Really? You have the empathy and self awareness of a five year old. That is what's wrong with you!

I'm very self aware. I fully realize I was born male and can't be anything but a male. As for the freaks, they need help with their mental illness. That's what wrong with them and you supporting them believing something that can't be true means you also need help.

41% and going higher.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Is Being Transgender a Mental Disorder?

It used to be that being diagnosed as transgender was considered to be a mental illness, but not today.

Why?

If it is not a disorder then why the need to flood the body with foreign hormones and mutilate perfectly healthy genitals?

If you've done a little reading on the subject, listen to experts, and understood Biology, these folks doing things to their genitals makes perfect sense. Bottom line, because I'm not going to give you a lecture on the subject, you need to research the answers for yourself, It begins in the brain, from the womb. The simple elementary explanation is that the brain decides the sex based on various chromosome configurations. Except, occasionally, the brain becomes confused and never makes that decision. That is the beginning of the understanding process. It's up to you to take further steps, if you really want to understand, or at least recognize that there could be a Biological explanation. Most people who are hard core haters of gays or Transgenders will never do any research on the subject. So to spend time trying to educate them on the subject is a waste of time. You have to be willing to try and understand what is really going on, not just hate what you don't understand.

So the brain does not make the switch?

Again, this sounds like a disorder. Why is it not PC to call it a disorder?

First off, I'm not here to label it. I presented my case based on my own research that I read. I'm not a doctor or professional who is qualified to label it either way. That said, those who take the leap to try and understand the biological influences from the developing brain in the womb where the signal to the brain becomes confused through a chemical reaction, confusing the chromosome makeup, should be hard pressed to call it a disorder. I don't know. I'm not a doctor.

My personal opinion, and this may take folks aback, but I am convinced that it is a biological function, not a disorder, to control populations. Population dynamics is a fascinating subject by its own right, because, without a population balance, and I'm going to use animals as an example, exceed the natural capacity of the land to support healthy populations. Anyone ever see a male Deer humping another male Deer for example? All the hunters out there have seen this, including me. As a matter of fact, I have hunted Deer in areas where the populations were so high, that there were visible browse lines absent of good nutritional food, weight loss occurred, and deformed racks were common place. And I can't tell you how many times I watched Bucks mounting other Bucks on these properties. Why is this important to understand as it relates to the OP? Because, I believe there is a direct relationship between nature trying to control populations by ensuring the land sustains a healthy population of animals. It's natures way of responding to the need. Nature is a constant, where it works around the clock for the perpetuation of the species. And how did it respond to the Deer? How many bucks impregnated other bucks?

In other words, to give some explanation to the OP, the answer we seek, is simply nature doing what nature does to ensure healthy populations. We as humans do not practice population control as a general rule, so nature maybe helping us out? In Biology, we know animals practice population control with the help of nature.

I think sane, intelligent, informed people can fill in the rest of the blanks for themselves. The rest will just have to live with their hate, ignorance, and unwillingness to learn anything past their noses.

Am I right? Maybe not? I'm not God. But I did at least make the attempt to go beyond the fear and the hatred before I made the conscious decision to either hate or accept something for which I had no previous understanding. For me, it makes perfect sense. For others, I don't know? That's up to them.

Understanding nature turned the corner for me, and once I gathered and understood all the data, it's been a no brainer for me.

Learn Biology people. That's all I can tell you. It will unlock an awful lot of bigotry.

Then why call anything a disorder? For example, if someone is born with a condition that will kill them quickly, you may as well reason that maybe nature is trying to reduce the population.

What a I missing here?

What your missing is the definition of a mental disorder which is behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning.

A person that feels that they are a female in a male body and is not distressed and is able to function in society without impairments does not have a mental disorder.

What you are missing is that a person who's gender identity is different from their assigned gender -and who does not get the support, validation, and medical care that they need-is indeed distressed and will have difficulty functioning in society. Can you possible be so calloused as to not know that?

 

[skookerasbil]

Is Being Transgender a Mental Disorder?

It used to be that being diagnosed as transgender was considered to be a mental illness, but not today.

Why?

If it is not a disorder then why the need to flood the body with foreign hormones and mutilate perfectly healthy genitals?

You should do some reading on the subject before asking such a stupid question!


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Hate to break it to you s0n but a huge majority think these folks are mental cases. But you go right on highlighting that research!

 

[Polishprince]

If you've done a little reading on the subject, listen to experts, and understood Biology, these folks doing things to their genitals makes perfect sense. Bottom line, because I'm not going to give you a lecture on the subject, you need to research the answers for yourself, It begins in the brain, from the womb. The simple elementary explanation is that the brain decides the sex based on various chromosome configurations. Except, occasionally, the brain becomes confused and never makes that decision. That is the beginning of the understanding process. It's up to you to take further steps, if you really want to understand, or at least recognize that there could be a Biological explanation. Most people who are hard core haters of gays or Transgenders will never do any research on the subject. So to spend time trying to educate them on the subject is a waste of time. You have to be willing to try and understand what is really going on, not just hate what you don't understand.

So the brain does not make the switch?

Again, this sounds like a disorder. Why is it not PC to call it a disorder?

First off, I'm not here to label it. I presented my case based on my own research that I read. I'm not a doctor or professional who is qualified to label it either way. That said, those who take the leap to try and understand the biological influences from the developing brain in the womb where the signal to the brain becomes confused through a chemical reaction, confusing the chromosome makeup, should be hard pressed to call it a disorder. I don't know. I'm not a doctor.

My personal opinion, and this may take folks aback, but I am convinced that it is a biological function, not a disorder, to control populations. Population dynamics is a fascinating subject by its own right, because, without a population balance, and I'm going to use animals as an example, exceed the natural capacity of the land to support healthy populations. Anyone ever see a male Deer humping another male Deer for example? All the hunters out there have seen this, including me. As a matter of fact, I have hunted Deer in areas where the populations were so high, that there were visible browse lines absent of good nutritional food, weight loss occurred, and deformed racks were common place. And I can't tell you how many times I watched Bucks mounting other Bucks on these properties. Why is this important to understand as it relates to the OP? Because, I believe there is a direct relationship between nature trying to control populations by ensuring the land sustains a healthy population of animals. It's natures way of responding to the need. Nature is a constant, where it works around the clock for the perpetuation of the species. And how did it respond to the Deer? How many bucks impregnated other bucks?

In other words, to give some explanation to the OP, the answer we seek, is simply nature doing what nature does to ensure healthy populations. We as humans do not practice population control as a general rule, so nature maybe helping us out? In Biology, we know animals practice population control with the help of nature.

I think sane, intelligent, informed people can fill in the rest of the blanks for themselves. The rest will just have to live with their hate, ignorance, and unwillingness to learn anything past their noses.

Am I right? Maybe not? I'm not God. But I did at least make the attempt to go beyond the fear and the hatred before I made the conscious decision to either hate or accept something for which I had no previous understanding. For me, it makes perfect sense. For others, I don't know? That's up to them.

Understanding nature turned the corner for me, and once I gathered and understood all the data, it's been a no brainer for me.

Learn Biology people. That's all I can tell you. It will unlock an awful lot of bigotry.

Then why call anything a disorder? For example, if someone is born with a condition that will kill them quickly, you may as well reason that maybe nature is trying to reduce the population.

What a I missing here?

What your missing is the definition of a mental disorder which is behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning.

A person that feels that they are a female in a male body and is not distressed and is able to function in society without impairments does not have a mental disorder.

What you are missing is that a person who's gender identity is different from their assigned gender -and who does not get the support, validation, and medical care that they need-is indeed distressed and will have difficulty functioning in society. Can you possible be so calloused as to not know that?

Regardless of how much support and validation they receive, Trannies are indeed distressed and will continue to have difficulty functioning in society. It is just not normal for a male to insist he's a broad. The idea that psychologists and psychiatrists have devised, for everyone to pretend that Trannies are normal and are the same as natural women, just doesn't work.

 

[Votto]

So the brain does not make the switch?

Again, this sounds like a disorder. Why is it not PC to call it a disorder?

First off, I'm not here to label it. I presented my case based on my own research that I read. I'm not a doctor or professional who is qualified to label it either way. That said, those who take the leap to try and understand the biological influences from the developing brain in the womb where the signal to the brain becomes confused through a chemical reaction, confusing the chromosome makeup, should be hard pressed to call it a disorder. I don't know. I'm not a doctor.

My personal opinion, and this may take folks aback, but I am convinced that it is a biological function, not a disorder, to control populations. Population dynamics is a fascinating subject by its own right, because, without a population balance, and I'm going to use animals as an example, exceed the natural capacity of the land to support healthy populations. Anyone ever see a male Deer humping another male Deer for example? All the hunters out there have seen this, including me. As a matter of fact, I have hunted Deer in areas where the populations were so high, that there were visible browse lines absent of good nutritional food, weight loss occurred, and deformed racks were common place. And I can't tell you how many times I watched Bucks mounting other Bucks on these properties. Why is this important to understand as it relates to the OP? Because, I believe there is a direct relationship between nature trying to control populations by ensuring the land sustains a healthy population of animals. It's natures way of responding to the need. Nature is a constant, where it works around the clock for the perpetuation of the species. And how did it respond to the Deer? How many bucks impregnated other bucks?

In other words, to give some explanation to the OP, the answer we seek, is simply nature doing what nature does to ensure healthy populations. We as humans do not practice population control as a general rule, so nature maybe helping us out? In Biology, we know animals practice population control with the help of nature.

I think sane, intelligent, informed people can fill in the rest of the blanks for themselves. The rest will just have to live with their hate, ignorance, and unwillingness to learn anything past their noses.

Am I right? Maybe not? I'm not God. But I did at least make the attempt to go beyond the fear and the hatred before I made the conscious decision to either hate or accept something for which I had no previous understanding. For me, it makes perfect sense. For others, I don't know? That's up to them.

Understanding nature turned the corner for me, and once I gathered and understood all the data, it's been a no brainer for me.

Learn Biology people. That's all I can tell you. It will unlock an awful lot of bigotry.

Then why call anything a disorder? For example, if someone is born with a condition that will kill them quickly, you may as well reason that maybe nature is trying to reduce the population.

What a I missing here?

What your missing is the definition of a mental disorder which is behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning.

A person that feels that they are a female in a male body and is not distressed and is able to function in society without impairments does not have a mental disorder.

What you are missing is that a person who's gender identity is different from their assigned gender -and who does not get the support, validation, and medical care that they need-is indeed distressed and will have difficulty functioning in society. Can you possible be so calloused as to not know that?

Regardless of how much support and validation they receive, Trannies are indeed distressed and will continue to have difficulty functioning in society. It is just not normal for a male to insist he's a broad. The idea that psychologists and psychiatrists have devised, for everyone to pretend that Trannies are normal and are the same as natural women, just doesn't work.

People can say what they want about the situation but to say that it is not a disorder is being disingenuous.

Instead, the use a PC term called dysphoria.

It's like calling illegal immigrants, which is what they are, undocumented workers instead.

It's all part of the insane Left

 

[Polishprince]

First off, I'm not here to label it. I presented my case based on my own research that I read. I'm not a doctor or professional who is qualified to label it either way. That said, those who take the leap to try and understand the biological influences from the developing brain in the womb where the signal to the brain becomes confused through a chemical reaction, confusing the chromosome makeup, should be hard pressed to call it a disorder. I don't know. I'm not a doctor.

My personal opinion, and this may take folks aback, but I am convinced that it is a biological function, not a disorder, to control populations. Population dynamics is a fascinating subject by its own right, because, without a population balance, and I'm going to use animals as an example, exceed the natural capacity of the land to support healthy populations. Anyone ever see a male Deer humping another male Deer for example? All the hunters out there have seen this, including me. As a matter of fact, I have hunted Deer in areas where the populations were so high, that there were visible browse lines absent of good nutritional food, weight loss occurred, and deformed racks were common place. And I can't tell you how many times I watched Bucks mounting other Bucks on these properties. Why is this important to understand as it relates to the OP? Because, I believe there is a direct relationship between nature trying to control populations by ensuring the land sustains a healthy population of animals. It's natures way of responding to the need. Nature is a constant, where it works around the clock for the perpetuation of the species. And how did it respond to the Deer? How many bucks impregnated other bucks?

In other words, to give some explanation to the OP, the answer we seek, is simply nature doing what nature does to ensure healthy populations. We as humans do not practice population control as a general rule, so nature maybe helping us out? In Biology, we know animals practice population control with the help of nature.

I think sane, intelligent, informed people can fill in the rest of the blanks for themselves. The rest will just have to live with their hate, ignorance, and unwillingness to learn anything past their noses.

Am I right? Maybe not? I'm not God. But I did at least make the attempt to go beyond the fear and the hatred before I made the conscious decision to either hate or accept something for which I had no previous understanding. For me, it makes perfect sense. For others, I don't know? That's up to them.

Understanding nature turned the corner for me, and once I gathered and understood all the data, it's been a no brainer for me.

Learn Biology people. That's all I can tell you. It will unlock an awful lot of bigotry.

Then why call anything a disorder? For example, if someone is born with a condition that will kill them quickly, you may as well reason that maybe nature is trying to reduce the population.

What a I missing here?

What your missing is the definition of a mental disorder which is behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning.

A person that feels that they are a female in a male body and is not distressed and is able to function in society without impairments does not have a mental disorder.

What you are missing is that a person who's gender identity is different from their assigned gender -and who does not get the support, validation, and medical care that they need-is indeed distressed and will have difficulty functioning in society. Can you possible be so calloused as to not know that?

Regardless of how much support and validation they receive, Trannies are indeed distressed and will continue to have difficulty functioning in society. It is just not normal for a male to insist he's a broad. The idea that psychologists and psychiatrists have devised, for everyone to pretend that Trannies are normal and are the same as natural women, just doesn't work.

People can say what they want about the situation but to say that it is not a disorder is being disingenuous.

Instead, the use a PC term called dysphoria.

It's like calling illegal immigrants, which is what they are, undocumented workers instead.

It's all part of the insane Left

Transexualism is weird and disordered. Its one thing for liberals to pretend its normal, they are free people and can do as they wish.

But it really pushes the envelope when they insist that EVERYONE join them in their affirmations of queerdom. That's what is really offensive. If someone is a weirdo, they know it already, you aren't offending them by acknowledging the fact.

Back in the day, your she-males and chicks with dicks sought out their own in their own counterculture talked about in the classic tune "walk on the wild side". Now its not considered "wild" at all, and that's the stupid part of it.

 

[BWK]

If you've done a little reading on the subject, listen to experts, and understood Biology, these folks doing things to their genitals makes perfect sense. Bottom line, because I'm not going to give you a lecture on the subject, you need to research the answers for yourself, It begins in the brain, from the womb. The simple elementary explanation is that the brain decides the sex based on various chromosome configurations. Except, occasionally, the brain becomes confused and never makes that decision. That is the beginning of the understanding process. It's up to you to take further steps, if you really want to understand, or at least recognize that there could be a Biological explanation. Most people who are hard core haters of gays or Transgenders will never do any research on the subject. So to spend time trying to educate them on the subject is a waste of time. You have to be willing to try and understand what is really going on, not just hate what you don't understand.

So the brain does not make the switch?

Again, this sounds like a disorder. Why is it not PC to call it a disorder?

First off, I'm not here to label it. I presented my case based on my own research that I read. I'm not a doctor or professional who is qualified to label it either way. That said, those who take the leap to try and understand the biological influences from the developing brain in the womb where the signal to the brain becomes confused through a chemical reaction, confusing the chromosome makeup, should be hard pressed to call it a disorder. I don't know. I'm not a doctor.

My personal opinion, and this may take folks aback, but I am convinced that it is a biological function, not a disorder, to control populations. Population dynamics is a fascinating subject by its own right, because, without a population balance, and I'm going to use animals as an example, exceed the natural capacity of the land to support healthy populations. Anyone ever see a male Deer humping another male Deer for example? All the hunters out there have seen this, including me. As a matter of fact, I have hunted Deer in areas where the populations were so high, that there were visible browse lines absent of good nutritional food, weight loss occurred, and deformed racks were common place. And I can't tell you how many times I watched Bucks mounting other Bucks on these properties. Why is this important to understand as it relates to the OP? Because, I believe there is a direct relationship between nature trying to control populations by ensuring the land sustains a healthy population of animals. It's natures way of responding to the need. Nature is a constant, where it works around the clock for the perpetuation of the species. And how did it respond to the Deer? How many bucks impregnated other bucks?

In other words, to give some explanation to the OP, the answer we seek, is simply nature doing what nature does to ensure healthy populations. We as humans do not practice population control as a general rule, so nature maybe helping us out? In Biology, we know animals practice population control with the help of nature.

I think sane, intelligent, informed people can fill in the rest of the blanks for themselves. The rest will just have to live with their hate, ignorance, and unwillingness to learn anything past their noses.

Am I right? Maybe not? I'm not God. But I did at least make the attempt to go beyond the fear and the hatred before I made the conscious decision to either hate or accept something for which I had no previous understanding. For me, it makes perfect sense. For others, I don't know? That's up to them.

Understanding nature turned the corner for me, and once I gathered and understood all the data, it's been a no brainer for me.

Learn Biology people. That's all I can tell you. It will unlock an awful lot of bigotry.

Then why call anything a disorder? For example, if someone is born with a condition that will kill them quickly, you may as well reason that maybe nature is trying to reduce the population.

What a I missing here?

What your missing is the definition of a mental disorder which is behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning.

A person that feels that they are a female in a male body and is not distressed and is able to function in society without impairments does not have a mental disorder.

What you are missing is that a person who's gender identity is different from their assigned gender -and who does not get the support, validation, and medical care that they need-is indeed distressed and will have difficulty functioning in society. Can you possible be so calloused as to not know that?

This thread is 256 posts long, and not one coward/ hater/ignoramus ever challenged post#71 that I presented as a challenge. Why? Because they do not understand Biology for one, and secondly, it is so much more convenient to hide their fear by pedaling their hate and ignorance. And that is the line they will never cross. They aren't giving those three things up.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Have you ever stopped to reflect on why you're so threatened by the existence of transsexuals nd so resistant to the science behind it? Yes they are self destructive at a higher rate than others BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU and the difficulties that they face in society.

You confuse feeling threatened with not accepting abnormal behavior.

If one of them commits suicide because they get their feelings hurt when someone isn't accepting of their abnormal behavior, that's their problem.

That is pretty ******* cold , dude. What the **** is wrong with you! You are the one with the problem.

There's nothing wrong with me. I'm male, know I'm male, and don't have a mental disorder where I think I can be female because I feel like it.

Nothing wrong with you? Really? You have the empathy and self awareness of a five year old. That is what's wrong with you!

I'm very self aware. I fully realize I was born male and can't be anything but a male. As for the freaks, they need help with their mental illness. That's what wrong with them and you supporting them believing something that can't be true means you also need help.

41% and going higher.

Why are you so angry about, and so threatened by this issue to the point where you are unable to consider the underlying biological aspects, or relate to these people as human beings?

 

[Votto]

So the brain does not make the switch?

Again, this sounds like a disorder. Why is it not PC to call it a disorder?

First off, I'm not here to label it. I presented my case based on my own research that I read. I'm not a doctor or professional who is qualified to label it either way. That said, those who take the leap to try and understand the biological influences from the developing brain in the womb where the signal to the brain becomes confused through a chemical reaction, confusing the chromosome makeup, should be hard pressed to call it a disorder. I don't know. I'm not a doctor.

My personal opinion, and this may take folks aback, but I am convinced that it is a biological function, not a disorder, to control populations. Population dynamics is a fascinating subject by its own right, because, without a population balance, and I'm going to use animals as an example, exceed the natural capacity of the land to support healthy populations. Anyone ever see a male Deer humping another male Deer for example? All the hunters out there have seen this, including me. As a matter of fact, I have hunted Deer in areas where the populations were so high, that there were visible browse lines absent of good nutritional food, weight loss occurred, and deformed racks were common place. And I can't tell you how many times I watched Bucks mounting other Bucks on these properties. Why is this important to understand as it relates to the OP? Because, I believe there is a direct relationship between nature trying to control populations by ensuring the land sustains a healthy population of animals. It's natures way of responding to the need. Nature is a constant, where it works around the clock for the perpetuation of the species. And how did it respond to the Deer? How many bucks impregnated other bucks?

In other words, to give some explanation to the OP, the answer we seek, is simply nature doing what nature does to ensure healthy populations. We as humans do not practice population control as a general rule, so nature maybe helping us out? In Biology, we know animals practice population control with the help of nature.

I think sane, intelligent, informed people can fill in the rest of the blanks for themselves. The rest will just have to live with their hate, ignorance, and unwillingness to learn anything past their noses.

Am I right? Maybe not? I'm not God. But I did at least make the attempt to go beyond the fear and the hatred before I made the conscious decision to either hate or accept something for which I had no previous understanding. For me, it makes perfect sense. For others, I don't know? That's up to them.

Understanding nature turned the corner for me, and once I gathered and understood all the data, it's been a no brainer for me.

Learn Biology people. That's all I can tell you. It will unlock an awful lot of bigotry.

Then why call anything a disorder? For example, if someone is born with a condition that will kill them quickly, you may as well reason that maybe nature is trying to reduce the population.

What a I missing here?

What your missing is the definition of a mental disorder which is behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning.

A person that feels that they are a female in a male body and is not distressed and is able to function in society without impairments does not have a mental disorder.

What you are missing is that a person who's gender identity is different from their assigned gender -and who does not get the support, validation, and medical care that they need-is indeed distressed and will have difficulty functioning in society. Can you possible be so calloused as to not know that?

This thread is 256 posts long, and not one coward/ hater/ignoramus ever challenged post#71 that I presented as a challenge. Why? Because they do not understand Biology for one, and secondly, it is so much more convenient to hide their fear by pedaling their hate and ignorance. And that is the line they will never cross. They aren't giving those three things up.

Can you at least admit it is a disorder or do you demand to use the PC term dysphoria?

 

[BWK]

You confuse feeling threatened with not accepting abnormal behavior.

If one of them commits suicide because they get their feelings hurt when someone isn't accepting of their abnormal behavior, that's their problem.

That is pretty ******* cold , dude. What the **** is wrong with you! You are the one with the problem.

There's nothing wrong with me. I'm male, know I'm male, and don't have a mental disorder where I think I can be female because I feel like it.

Nothing wrong with you? Really? You have the empathy and self awareness of a five year old. That is what's wrong with you!

I'm very self aware. I fully realize I was born male and can't be anything but a male. As for the freaks, they need help with their mental illness. That's what wrong with them and you supporting them believing something that can't be true means you also need help.

41% and going higher.

Why are you so angry about, and so threatened by threatened by this issue to the point where you are unable to consider the underlying biological aspects, or relate to these people as human beings?

Because fear, hatred, and ignorance are much easier.