Transgender diagnosis

[Votto]

Is Being Transgender a Mental Disorder?

It used to be that being diagnosed as transgender was considered to be a mental illness, but not today.

Why?

If it is not a disorder then why the need to flood the body with foreign hormones and mutilate perfectly healthy genitals?

If you've done a little reading on the subject, listen to experts, and understood Biology, these folks doing things to their genitals makes perfect sense. Bottom line, because I'm not going to give you a lecture on the subject, you need to research the answers for yourself, It begins in the brain, from the womb. The simple elementary explanation is that the brain decides the sex based on various chromosome configurations. Except, occasionally, the brain becomes confused and never makes that decision. That is the beginning of the understanding process. It's up to you to take further steps, if you really want to understand, or at least recognize that there could be a Biological explanation. Most people who are hard core haters of gays or Transgenders will never do any research on the subject. So to spend time trying to educate them on the subject is a waste of time. You have to be willing to try and understand what is really going on, not just hate what you don't understand.

So the brain does not make the switch?

Again, this sounds like a disorder. Why is it not PC to call it a disorder?

First off, I'm not here to label it. I presented my case based on my own research that I read. I'm not a doctor or professional who is qualified to label it either way. That said, those who take the leap to try and understand the biological influences from the developing brain in the womb where the signal to the brain becomes confused through a chemical reaction, confusing the chromosome makeup, should be hard pressed to call it a disorder. I don't know. I'm not a doctor.

My personal opinion, and this may take folks aback, but I am convinced that it is a biological function, not a disorder, to control populations. Population dynamics is a fascinating subject by its own right, because, without a population balance, and I'm going to use animals as an example, exceed the natural capacity of the land to support healthy populations. Anyone ever see a male Deer humping another male Deer for example? All the hunters out there have seen this, including me. As a matter of fact, I have hunted Deer in areas where the populations were so high, that there were visible browse lines absent of good nutritional food, weight loss occurred, and deformed racks were common place. And I can't tell you how many times I watched Bucks mounting other Bucks on these properties. Why is this important to understand as it relates to the OP? Because, I believe there is a direct relationship between nature trying to control populations by ensuring the land sustains a healthy population of animals. It's natures way of responding to the need. Nature is a constant, where it works around the clock for the perpetuation of the species. And how did it respond to the Deer? How many bucks impregnated other bucks?

In other words, to give some explanation to the OP, the answer we seek, is simply nature doing what nature does to ensure healthy populations. We as humans do not practice population control as a general rule, so nature maybe helping us out? In Biology, we know animals practice population control with the help of nature.

I think sane, intelligent, informed people can fill in the rest of the blanks for themselves. The rest will just have to live with their hate, ignorance, and unwillingness to learn anything past their noses.

Am I right? Maybe not? I'm not God. But I did at least make the attempt to go beyond the fear and the hatred before I made the conscious decision to either hate or accept something for which I had no previous understanding. For me, it makes perfect sense. For others, I don't know? That's up to them.

Understanding nature turned the corner for me, and once I gathered and understood all the data, it's been a no brainer for me.

Learn Biology people. That's all I can tell you. It will unlock an awful lot of bigotry.

Then why call anything a disorder? For example, if someone is born with a condition that will kill them quickly, you may as well reason that maybe nature is trying to reduce the population.

What a I missing here?

 

[Conservative65]

I should do some reading?

Nice rebuttal.

It's all that you deserve. I would try to school you on the complexities of the transgender issue but I am not certified in special ed. I doubt that you have the intellectual capacity or the curiosity to benefit from anything more that I could post and strongly suspect that you are too invested in your willful ignorance to even read it if I did

A transgender is on the same level of mental illness as a schizophrenic.

Where did you get your degree in psychiatry , Dude?

If you need a psychiatrist to tell you that someone thinking they're the opposite of only 2 possible genders because they claim to be has a mental disorder, you have a mental disorder. The suicide rate for transgenders is about 41%. The hope is that it gets higher and the quicker the better.

Have you ever stopped to reflect on why you're so threatened by the existence of transsexuals nd so resistant to the science behind it? Yes they are self destructive at a higher rate than others BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU and the difficulties that they face in society.

You confuse feeling threatened with not accepting abnormal behavior.

If one of them commits suicide because they get their feelings hurt when someone isn't accepting of their abnormal behavior, that's their problem.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

The entire subject is so removed from being an important issue, in a country that has real ones to resolve, that we must assume it is a form of cultural sabotage.

You might sing a different tune if you or someone close to you were trans.

Let's be honest. The 'right' and non-caring attitudes are far removed from my personal considerations. The 'left', with its maudlin milquetoast doesn't express my sentiments.
The enormously tiny percentage of the population affected by this exceptional state cannot justify the upset instigated by militants who obviously only seek some secondary gain.

What "secondary gain" They seek social justice and equality. They seek to be recognized and treated as human beings. Do you have a problem with that?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Science is nothing more than assumptions and speculation until they assume and speculate enough to reproduce what they are doing and prove it.

Genetic testing is not based on assumptions

Moron, the path that led up to it was.

The fact that you have to call me a moron does not obscure the fact the it has been found to influence gender identity

WHO | Gender and Genetics

You ad homonyms only serve to show how unsure of yourself you are

Stop lying pervert. Your fake news site proves nothing other than you spread lies like all liberals. There are two genders, even the liberals Amazon are aware of this!

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So the World Health Organization is fake news? Are you really that stupid? Yup!

Who runs the WHO, other than a bunch of Socialist mother fuckers? Oh yeah, Socialist mother fuckers, who want to redistribute wealth....

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

The entire subject is so removed from being an important issue, in a country that has real ones to resolve, that we must assume it is a form of cultural sabotage.

You might sing a different tune if you or someone close to you were trans.

Let's be honest. The 'right' and non-caring attitudes are far removed from my personal considerations. The 'left', with its maudlin milquetoast doesn't express my sentiments.
The enormously tiny percentage of the population affected by this exceptional state cannot justify the upset instigated by militants who obviously only seek some secondary gain.

What "secondary gain" They seek social justice and equality. They seek to be recognized and treated as human beings. Do you have a problem with that?

No they dont want to be treated as human beings, they want special privileges, just like welfare queens and queers. Otherwise they would like other NORMAL people, keep their sex lives behind closed doors and not shove it in the faces of people who want to be left alone...

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

It's all that you deserve. I would try to school you on the complexities of the transgender issue but I am not certified in special ed. I doubt that you have the intellectual capacity or the curiosity to benefit from anything more that I could post and strongly suspect that you are too invested in your willful ignorance to even read it if I did

A transgender is on the same level of mental illness as a schizophrenic.

Where did you get your degree in psychiatry , Dude?

If you need a psychiatrist to tell you that someone thinking they're the opposite of only 2 possible genders because they claim to be has a mental disorder, you have a mental disorder. The suicide rate for transgenders is about 41%. The hope is that it gets higher and the quicker the better.

Have you ever stopped to reflect on why you're so threatened by the existence of transsexuals nd so resistant to the science behind it? Yes they are self destructive at a higher rate than others BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU and the difficulties that they face in society.

You confuse feeling threatened with not accepting abnormal behavior.

If one of them commits suicide because they get their feelings hurt when someone isn't accepting of their abnormal behavior, that's their problem.

That is pretty ******* cold , dude. What the **** is wrong with you! You are the one with the problem.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Have you ever stopped to reflect on why you're so threatened by the existence of transsexuals nd so resistant to the science behind it? Yes they are self destructive at a higher rate than others BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU and the difficulties that they face in society.

There is no science behind it.

Science is absolutely clear about the distinction between male and female.

All that you are demonstrating is what I have long been saying, that when a LIbEral speaks of “science”, that the word is rarely used to mean what sane people understand it to mean.

Trannies are self-destructive, not because of any way that they are externally-treated by society. They are self-destructive because their minds are defective; and will be no more or less defective no matter how anyone treats them.

Where is the science that proves "Trannies are self destructive because of their minds"?

Your consistent defense of the dickless wonders makes me think you're a prancing homo yourself.

No Right-wing nut job has provided any intelligent science related to the subject, so, based on that, we can only guess that we are talking to some kind of sub-human life form, incapable of intelligent debate.

I think I'm Queen Victoria and demand you refer to me as Her Majesty.

As you say, your highness...

Not trying to insult you, just showing the liberals some humor.....

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

A transgender is on the same level of mental illness as a schizophrenic.

Where did you get your degree in psychiatry , Dude?

If you need a psychiatrist to tell you that someone thinking they're the opposite of only 2 possible genders because they claim to be has a mental disorder, you have a mental disorder. The suicide rate for transgenders is about 41%. The hope is that it gets higher and the quicker the better.

Have you ever stopped to reflect on why you're so threatened by the existence of transsexuals nd so resistant to the science behind it? Yes they are self destructive at a higher rate than others BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU and the difficulties that they face in society.

You confuse feeling threatened with not accepting abnormal behavior.

If one of them commits suicide because they get their feelings hurt when someone isn't accepting of their abnormal behavior, that's their problem.

That is pretty ******* cold , dude. What the **** is wrong with you! You are the one with the problem.

What the **** is wrong with you! You are the one with the problem.

Says the guy who wants to put his dick in another man's ass....

 

[Conservative65]

A transgender is on the same level of mental illness as a schizophrenic.

Where did you get your degree in psychiatry , Dude?

If you need a psychiatrist to tell you that someone thinking they're the opposite of only 2 possible genders because they claim to be has a mental disorder, you have a mental disorder. The suicide rate for transgenders is about 41%. The hope is that it gets higher and the quicker the better.

Have you ever stopped to reflect on why you're so threatened by the existence of transsexuals nd so resistant to the science behind it? Yes they are self destructive at a higher rate than others BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU and the difficulties that they face in society.

You confuse feeling threatened with not accepting abnormal behavior.

If one of them commits suicide because they get their feelings hurt when someone isn't accepting of their abnormal behavior, that's their problem.

That is pretty ******* cold , dude. What the **** is wrong with you! You are the one with the problem.

There's nothing wrong with me. I'm male, know I'm male, and don't have a mental disorder where I think I can be female because I feel like it.

 

[Conservative65]

Where did you get your degree in psychiatry , Dude?

If you need a psychiatrist to tell you that someone thinking they're the opposite of only 2 possible genders because they claim to be has a mental disorder, you have a mental disorder. The suicide rate for transgenders is about 41%. The hope is that it gets higher and the quicker the better.

Have you ever stopped to reflect on why you're so threatened by the existence of transsexuals nd so resistant to the science behind it? Yes they are self destructive at a higher rate than others BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU and the difficulties that they face in society.

You confuse feeling threatened with not accepting abnormal behavior.

If one of them commits suicide because they get their feelings hurt when someone isn't accepting of their abnormal behavior, that's their problem.

That is pretty ******* cold , dude. What the **** is wrong with you! You are the one with the problem.

What the **** is wrong with you! You are the one with the problem.

Says the guy who wants to put his dick in another man's ass....

He thinks that's normal, too.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Where is the science that proves "Trannies are self destructive because of their minds"?

Your consistent defense of the dickless wonders makes me think you're a prancing homo yourself.

No Right-wing nut job has provided any intelligent science related to the subject, so, based on that, we can only guess that we are talking to some kind of sub-human life form, incapable of intelligent debate.

Word up brother!

Put these folks in a science class, and the best you can hope for is paper plane football. Those private schools they attended kept them in the idiot box I guess.

I think you need to show more respect for the nation's Decent people, who really keep the country and the civilization going.

No one "hates" transexuals, as long as they aren't engaged in paedophilia and commit their perversions behind closed doors and at their own expense, it really doesn't concern the general public. The problem is when they go public, and in the schools, insisting they are in some way normal and people have to pretend they are normal.

No, it is when a man with boobs goes into a girls bathroom and exposes his dick to girls. Some of them dont like it.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

The facts are that the number of Trannies has soared in recent years, as well as the number of Homosexuals.

So has population growth. Which In explained with logic on post #71 I believe?

The only difference is the political climate which has promoted these deviations from Mainstream Sexuality to reach record heights.

Science can easily explain away that explanation.

If normalcy was promoted as aggressively as Alternative Sexuality has been, you'd probably see more normative folks.

That doesn't answer his question. "What is normal"? Did you let science answer that question, or did you let your own fear and hate answer it? That is the question you should ask yourself, then give yourself an answer. If you're going to be honest with yourself that is. You see, I wasn't afraid. I explored other options/otherv answers to questions I myself had. Give post #71 some very long meditation.

So NORMAL has been NORMAL for 10,000 years, then in the past 20 years the new NORMAL, has been assigned by liberals.....

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

The entire subject is so removed from being an important issue, in a country that has real ones to resolve, that we must assume it is a form of cultural sabotage.

You might sing a different tune if you or someone close to you were trans.

Let's be honest. The 'right' and non-caring attitudes are far removed from my personal considerations. The 'left', with its maudlin milquetoast doesn't express my sentiments.
The enormously tiny percentage of the population affected by this exceptional state cannot justify the upset instigated by militants who obviously only seek some secondary gain.

What "secondary gain" They seek social justice and equality. They seek to be recognized and treated as human beings. Do you have a problem with that?

They seek social justice and equality.

They want to take what is yours and make you poor and miserable.. Then it is FAIRNESS.

 

[Flopper]

Is Being Transgender a Mental Disorder?

It used to be that being diagnosed as transgender was considered to be a mental illness, but not today.

Why?

If it is not a disorder then why the need to flood the body with foreign hormones and mutilate perfectly healthy genitals?

This is vitally important to you. Your concern for trans people is touching.

I see, so because I have a problem with people mutilating their genitals and being pumped full of unnatural hormones I have no compassion for thans people?

Thanks for that.

The thing is that you children out there now being pumped full of hormones and "transitioning". If adults like Herbert Garrison are doing it, that's one thing. An adult can make an adult decision and suffer the consequences. For children, its a different story entirely. They are supposed to be somewhat protected from their Stupidity.

In almost all cases of transgender children, making a decision to seek medical intervention is not easy. The parent can decide to wait till the child is an adult. However, the question in a parent's mind is will my child make it to adulthood? One study reveals that half of transgender male children and 29% of transgender females children attempt suicide. Often they dropout out school, become runaways, and end up in some type institution.

The problem is not the transgender child but rather how other people treat the child. It these children were accepted for who they are and not treated as monsters and freaks there would be no need for hormone therapy or other types of intervention.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

The troglodyte such as yourself can't question anyone's intelligence.

Well, he can, but all that it accomplishes is to highlight his own deficiencies in that regard.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Where did you get your degree in psychiatry , Dude?

If you need a psychiatrist to tell you that someone thinking they're the opposite of only 2 possible genders because they claim to be has a mental disorder, you have a mental disorder. The suicide rate for transgenders is about 41%. The hope is that it gets higher and the quicker the better.

Have you ever stopped to reflect on why you're so threatened by the existence of transsexuals nd so resistant to the science behind it? Yes they are self destructive at a higher rate than others BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU and the difficulties that they face in society.

You confuse feeling threatened with not accepting abnormal behavior.

If one of them commits suicide because they get their feelings hurt when someone isn't accepting of their abnormal behavior, that's their problem.

That is pretty ******* cold , dude. What the **** is wrong with you! You are the one with the problem.

There's nothing wrong with me. I'm male, know I'm male, and don't have a mental disorder where I think I can be female because I feel like it.

Nothing wrong with you? Really? You have the empathy and self awareness of a five year old. That is what's wrong with you!

 

[Flopper]

Is Being Transgender a Mental Disorder?

It used to be that being diagnosed as transgender was considered to be a mental illness, but not today.

Why?

If it is not a disorder then why the need to flood the body with foreign hormones and mutilate perfectly healthy genitals?

You should do some reading on the subject before asking such a stupid question!


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I think the assumption here is that scientists have more knowledge about science than I do because I'm not a scientist. That would be correct, but that does not mean that they will always be right about science and not me, does it.

Additionally, it was not long ago that scientists labeled this a disorder, so it is not just me saying this, it is science.

I assume you further postulate that any new teachings in science are superior to old ones, as if a change in thought or teaching is due only to increased understanding.

But historically we see this not to always be the case. Just look at the turn of the 20th century when science embraced eugenics. Hitler was the climax of this pursuit, and yes, it was all based upon new science. After Hitler, however, it fell out of favor.

Shocking, I know.

It seems that there are strong feeling that a parent should not consider hormone therapy or medical intervention. My question is what should a parent a do after they have tried support groups, counseling, and psychotherapy with no success.

 

[Aba Incieni]

Is Being Transgender a Mental Disorder?

It used to be that being diagnosed as transgender was considered to be a mental illness, but not today.

Why?

If it is not a disorder then why the need to flood the body with foreign hormones and mutilate perfectly healthy genitals?

You should do some reading on the subject before asking such a stupid question!


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I think the assumption here is that scientists have more knowledge about science than I do because I'm not a scientist. That would be correct, but that does not mean that they will always be right about science and not me, does it.

Additionally, it was not long ago that scientists labeled this a disorder, so it is not just me saying this, it is science.

I assume you further postulate that any new teachings in science are superior to old ones, as if a change in thought or teaching is due only to increased understanding.

But historically we see this not to always be the case. Just look at the turn of the 20th century when science embraced eugenics. Hitler was the climax of this pursuit, and yes, it was all based upon new science. After Hitler, however, it fell out of favor.

Shocking, I know.

It seems that there are strong feeling that a parent should not consider hormone therapy or medical intervention. My question is what should a parent a do after they have tried support groups, counseling, and psychotherapy with no success.

You mean to prevent the normality of suicide?

 

[Flopper]

Is Being Transgender a Mental Disorder?

It used to be that being diagnosed as transgender was considered to be a mental illness, but not today.

Why?

If it is not a disorder then why the need to flood the body with foreign hormones and mutilate perfectly healthy genitals?

If you've done a little reading on the subject, listen to experts, and understood Biology, these folks doing things to their genitals makes perfect sense. Bottom line, because I'm not going to give you a lecture on the subject, you need to research the answers for yourself, It begins in the brain, from the womb. The simple elementary explanation is that the brain decides the sex based on various chromosome configurations. Except, occasionally, the brain becomes confused and never makes that decision. That is the beginning of the understanding process. It's up to you to take further steps, if you really want to understand, or at least recognize that there could be a Biological explanation. Most people who are hard core haters of gays or Transgenders will never do any research on the subject. So to spend time trying to educate them on the subject is a waste of time. You have to be willing to try and understand what is really going on, not just hate what you don't understand.

So the brain does not make the switch?

Again, this sounds like a disorder. Why is it not PC to call it a disorder?

First off, I'm not here to label it. I presented my case based on my own research that I read. I'm not a doctor or professional who is qualified to label it either way. That said, those who take the leap to try and understand the biological influences from the developing brain in the womb where the signal to the brain becomes confused through a chemical reaction, confusing the chromosome makeup, should be hard pressed to call it a disorder. I don't know. I'm not a doctor.

My personal opinion, and this may take folks aback, but I am convinced that it is a biological function, not a disorder, to control populations. Population dynamics is a fascinating subject by its own right, because, without a population balance, and I'm going to use animals as an example, exceed the natural capacity of the land to support healthy populations. Anyone ever see a male Deer humping another male Deer for example? All the hunters out there have seen this, including me. As a matter of fact, I have hunted Deer in areas where the populations were so high, that there were visible browse lines absent of good nutritional food, weight loss occurred, and deformed racks were common place. And I can't tell you how many times I watched Bucks mounting other Bucks on these properties. Why is this important to understand as it relates to the OP? Because, I believe there is a direct relationship between nature trying to control populations by ensuring the land sustains a healthy population of animals. It's natures way of responding to the need. Nature is a constant, where it works around the clock for the perpetuation of the species. And how did it respond to the Deer? How many bucks impregnated other bucks?

In other words, to give some explanation to the OP, the answer we seek, is simply nature doing what nature does to ensure healthy populations. We as humans do not practice population control as a general rule, so nature maybe helping us out? In Biology, we know animals practice population control with the help of nature.

I think sane, intelligent, informed people can fill in the rest of the blanks for themselves. The rest will just have to live with their hate, ignorance, and unwillingness to learn anything past their noses.

Am I right? Maybe not? I'm not God. But I did at least make the attempt to go beyond the fear and the hatred before I made the conscious decision to either hate or accept something for which I had no previous understanding. For me, it makes perfect sense. For others, I don't know? That's up to them.

Understanding nature turned the corner for me, and once I gathered and understood all the data, it's been a no brainer for me.

Learn Biology people. That's all I can tell you. It will unlock an awful lot of bigotry.

Then why call anything a disorder? For example, if someone is born with a condition that will kill them quickly, you may as well reason that maybe nature is trying to reduce the population.

What a I missing here?

What your missing is the definition of a mental disorder which is behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning.

A person that feels that they are a female in a male body and is not distressed and is able to function in society without impairments does not have a mental disorder.

 

[Flopper]

Is Being Transgender a Mental Disorder?

It used to be that being diagnosed as transgender was considered to be a mental illness, but not today.

Why?

If it is not a disorder then why the need to flood the body with foreign hormones and mutilate perfectly healthy genitals?

You should do some reading on the subject before asking such a stupid question!


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I think the assumption here is that scientists have more knowledge about science than I do because I'm not a scientist. That would be correct, but that does not mean that they will always be right about science and not me, does it.

Additionally, it was not long ago that scientists labeled this a disorder, so it is not just me saying this, it is science.

I assume you further postulate that any new teachings in science are superior to old ones, as if a change in thought or teaching is due only to increased understanding.

But historically we see this not to always be the case. Just look at the turn of the 20th century when science embraced eugenics. Hitler was the climax of this pursuit, and yes, it was all based upon new science. After Hitler, however, it fell out of favor.

Shocking, I know.

It seems that there are strong feeling that a parent should not consider hormone therapy or medical intervention. My question is what should a parent a do after they have tried support groups, counseling, and psychotherapy with no success.

You mean to prevent the normality of suicide?

There is nothing normal about suicide.