TransCanada may shorten pipeline screwing over Obama and his power play

[FactFinder]

So we would benefit from this pipeline. Thanks, I agree.
We'd benefit more if we drilled in ANWR.

Actually we may benefit from a refinery in Minnesota or Wisconsin. If it goes to the Gulf it will be exported to keep supplies low and prices high here.

I support new refineries. Why would they export it if they can sell it for more here?

The current supply in the US is at record levels. That of course will cause the price to drop. since they want anything but they are exporting to keep supplies in check and pretending there is some shortage of supply. They want the pipeline as a cheap capital cost way of propping up the rape of the US consumer.

 

[Truthseeker420]

Just pointing out the idiocy of your source.

How so? According to the TransCanada plan subbmitted to the U.S. it would be shipped to world markets.

How so? The source said they want to ship oil to Texas in order to export oil to China. Look at a map.

yes because Texas has the refinery ability and the port structure. Canada could build a more direct line but they would also have to buld refineries as well.

 

[FactFinder]

How so? According to the TransCanada plan subbmitted to the U.S. it would be shipped to world markets.

How so? The source said they want to ship oil to Texas in order to export oil to China. Look at a map.

yes because Texas has the refinery ability and the port structure. Canada could build a more direct line but they would also have to buld refineries as well.

So we put the whole midwest at risk so a few refineries in the Gulf can profit?

 

[FactFinder]

heeehee probably among those arguing for less corporate taxes.

 

[tinydancer]

Just pointing out the idiocy of your source.

How so? According to the TransCanada plan subbmitted to the U.S. it would be shipped to world markets.

How so? The source said they want to ship oil to Texas in order to export oil to China. Look at a map.

Too funny,

We ship a tad south, hang to the west and get a pipeline thru BC in world record time and ship from there.

Why on earth would we want to ship to the Gulf to ship to china? It makes no sense.

 

[tinydancer]

How so? The source said they want to ship oil to Texas in order to export oil to China. Look at a map.

yes because Texas has the refinery ability and the port structure. Canada could build a more direct line but they would also have to buld refineries as well.

No we don't have to build refineries down there. Thats taken care of already please look on a map.

So we put the whole midwest at risk so a few refineries in the Gulf can profit?

You people are either nuts, or stupid or ill informed. I'd like to think ill informed.

With all due respect, there are already 200,000 miles of pipeline across America.

Welcome to the real world in this day and age. This Keystone is a no brainer.

 

[FactFinder]

yes because Texas has the refinery ability and the port structure. Canada could build a more direct line but they would also have to buld refineries as well.

No we don't have to build refineries down there. Thats taken care of already please look on a map.

So we put the whole midwest at risk so a few refineries in the Gulf can profit?

You people are either nuts, or stupid or ill informed. I'd like to think ill informed.

With all due respect, there are already 200,000 miles of pipeline across America.

Welcome to the real world in this day and age. This Keystone is a no brainer.

So why add more? Especially since it is actually antithetical to the interests of the average American consumer.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How so? According to the TransCanada plan subbmitted to the U.S. it would be shipped to world markets.

How so? The source said they want to ship oil to Texas in order to export oil to China. Look at a map.

yes because Texas has the refinery ability and the port structure. Canada could build a more direct line but they would also have to buld refineries as well.

So your idiotic source doesn't know the difference between crude oil and refined products?
Or that the port facilities aren't on the Pacific?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How so? The source said they want to ship oil to Texas in order to export oil to China. Look at a map.

yes because Texas has the refinery ability and the port structure. Canada could build a more direct line but they would also have to buld refineries as well.

So we put the whole midwest at risk so a few refineries in the Gulf can profit?

What risk?

 

[FactFinder]

So Obama has a great argument here. And..great reasoning for not supporting the self interested pipeline.

 

[Rozman]

This is awesome. We've dealt with enough left wing lib lunatics in power for years up here and we can smell liberal political bullshit a mile away.

Everyone knows this was Obama kow towing to enviro whackos.

Check this out. If they do this Obama and the Feds aren't involved. WhoooooooHooooo!!

" TransCanada May Shorten Keystone XL

By Bradley Olson - Jan 19, 2012 2:04 PM CT

TransCanada Corp. (TRP) may shorten the initial path for its rejected Keystone XL project, bringing oil from Montana’s Bakken Shale to refiners in the Gulf of Mexico and removing the need for federal approval.

“There certainly is a potential opportunity to connect the Bakken to the Gulf Coast,” Alex Pourbaix, TransCanada’s president of energy and oil pipelines, said in a telephone interview today. “That is obviously something we’ll be looking into over the next few weeks.”

TransCanada’s $7 billion Keystone XL proposal to bring crude from Canada’s oil sands to the Gulf was rejected yesterday by the Obama administration. The project required U.S. approval because it crossed the border with Canada. The company may seek that approval after it builds the segment from Montana to the Gulf, Pourbaix said.

The Bakken shale-rock formation is estimated to hold as much as 4.3 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil in North Dakota and Montana, according to a 2008 U.S. Geological Survey report. Oil production in North Dakota surged 42 percent to 510,000 barrels a day in November, exceeding the output of Ecuador.

Production in the Bakken field may reach 750,000 barrels a day this year, Edward Morse, managing director of commodities research for Citigroup Inc., said at a conference in Calgary today. "

More at link:

TransCanada May Shorten Keystone XL - Bloomberg

Maybe the Canadians can do a partnership with China,Russia,France,Germany,Iran
or ANY other fucking country that is interested in jobs,energy,or whatever.

This President and his ilk just want to sit around and blame Republicans.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No we don't have to build refineries down there. Thats taken care of already please look on a map.

So we put the whole midwest at risk so a few refineries in the Gulf can profit?

You people are either nuts, or stupid or ill informed. I'd like to think ill informed.

With all due respect, there are already 200,000 miles of pipeline across America.

Welcome to the real world in this day and age. This Keystone is a no brainer.

So why add more? Especially since it is actually antithetical to the interests of the average American consumer.

Why not add more?
How is it "antithetical to the interests of the average American consumer"?

 

[tinydancer]

How so? According to the TransCanada plan subbmitted to the U.S. it would be shipped to world markets.

How so? The source said they want to ship oil to Texas in order to export oil to China. Look at a map.

yes because Texas has the refinery ability and the port structure. Canada could build a more direct line but they would also have to buld refineries as well.

We are loaded for bear with refineries up here. Do tell what are you talking about?

Keystone III was just an extension to the Gulf where we all benefitted.

 

[FactFinder]

yes because Texas has the refinery ability and the port structure. Canada could build a more direct line but they would also have to buld refineries as well.

So we put the whole midwest at risk so a few refineries in the Gulf can profit?

What risk?

Gas explosions, pipeline leaks, fires, general pollution to benefit China and a few refineries in the Gulf Coast.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

It would be a win-win for Obama if Keystone did this.

He'd get the pipeline for the unions and his corporate backers, without pissing off the environmentalists.

 

[Full-Auto]

So Obama has a great argument here. And..great reasoning for not supporting the self interested pipeline.

You just cant explain it. Cracker?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So we put the whole midwest at risk so a few refineries in the Gulf can profit?

What risk?

Gas explosions, pipeline leaks, fires, general pollution to benefit China and a few refineries in the Gulf Coast.

How often do those happen?

Why shouldn't refineries benefit? Don't they employ America workers?
Produce product for American consumers?
Pay taxes to American governments?

 

[FactFinder]

You people are either nuts, or stupid or ill informed. I'd like to think ill informed.

With all due respect, there are already 200,000 miles of pipeline across America.

Welcome to the real world in this day and age. This Keystone is a no brainer.

So why add more? Especially since it is actually antithetical to the interests of the average American consumer.

Why not add more?
How is it "antithetical to the interests of the average American consumer"?

It is American supply being shipped offshore because demand is not here. It should stay here and be part of the supply driving prices down to where they are supposed to be not where the greed mongering terrorists want it to be.

 

[The T]

So Obama has a great argument here. And..great reasoning for not supporting the self interested pipeline.

The only self interest for denial belongs to Obama and his re-election. He's going to regret he ever made such a stupid decision based solely on politics.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So Obama has a great argument here. And..great reasoning for not supporting the self interested pipeline.

You just cant explain it. Cracker?

I love it, "self-interested pipeline"

Unlike the altruistic pipelines Obama wants to build.