To whom does the land of israel belong??

It doesn't matter, 'Palestine' never belong to the Palestinians, Israel has the only claim by both controlling force over it, and the League of Nations..what about them? violent morons got what they deserved.

Right!

United States (Vote: For): President Truman later noted, "The facts were that not only were there pressure movements around the United Nations unlike anything that had been seen there before, but that the White House, too, was subjected to a constant barrage. I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance. The persistence of a few of the extreme Zionist leaders—actuated by political motives and engaging in political threats—disturbed and annoyed me


In May, the UN formed a Special Committee (UNSCOP) to prepare a report on recommendations for Palestine. The Jewish Agency pressed for Jewish representation and the exclusion of both Britain and Arab countries on the Committee, sought visits to camps where Holocaust survivors were interned in Europe as part of UNSCOP's brief, and in May won representation on the Political Committee

The Arab delegations at the UN had sought to keep separate the issue of Palestine from the issue of Jewish refugees in Europe. During their visit, UNSCOP members were shocked by the extent of Lehi and Irgun violence, then at its apogee, and by the elaborate military presence attested by endemic barb-wire, searchlights, and armoured-car patrols. Committee members also witnessed the SS Exodus affair in Haifa and could hardly have remained unaffected by it.

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now we know Truman had no choice in the matter with all the extreme Zionist around him, (one must value their life when around extreme Zionist)

and lets all find out her the the Lehi are, we know who the Irgun are. Follow thread.
 
It doesn't matter, 'Palestine' never belong to the Palestinians, Israel has the only claim by both controlling force over it, and the League of Nations..what about them? violent morons got what they deserved.

Right!

United States (Vote: For): President Truman later noted, "The facts were that not only were there pressure movements around the United Nations unlike anything that had been seen there before, but that the White House, too, was subjected to a constant barrage. I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance. The persistence of a few of the extreme Zionist leaders—actuated by political motives and engaging in political threats—disturbed and annoyed me


In May, the UN formed a Special Committee (UNSCOP) to prepare a report on recommendations for Palestine. The Jewish Agency pressed for Jewish representation and the exclusion of both Britain and Arab countries on the Committee, sought visits to camps where Holocaust survivors were interned in Europe as part of UNSCOP's brief, and in May won representation on the Political Committee

The Arab delegations at the UN had sought to keep separate the issue of Palestine from the issue of Jewish refugees in Europe. During their visit, UNSCOP members were shocked by the extent of Lehi and Irgun violence, then at its apogee, and by the elaborate military presence attested by endemic barb-wire, searchlights, and armoured-car patrols. Committee members also witnessed the SS Exodus affair in Haifa and could hardly have remained unaffected by it.

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now we know Truman had no choice in the matter with all the extreme Zionist around him, (one must value their life when around extreme Zionist)

and lets all find out her the the Lehi are, we know who the Irgun are. Follow thread.

And you are clearly stating that every piece of legislation ever passed by an individual or an organization anywhere and anytime on earth was not subject to human subjectivity.
 
Alien entity LOL!!

Laugh all you want.

Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was formed in Zurich, Switzerland by the foreign World Zionist Organization. Much of "Israeli land" is controlled by the foreign Jewish National Fund that was created in Basel, Switzerland in 1901.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of Independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants. The vast majority of Israel's population were foreign settlers who were imported by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

Here's the problem Tin,
You are constantly pulling non-sequitur documents out of your ass and no one with more than one brain cell left wants to do the hours of research to discover all of your latest bullshit.

On the other hand, we have the EXTREMELY knowledgeable and honest RoccoR.

You are welcome to refute anything I said.
 
P F Tinmore, Crystalclear, et al,

In a sense, P F Tinmore is correct.

Where did you get that?

Britain never owned Palestine.
(COMMENT)

The UK did not give Palestine (the territory formerly under Mandate) to the Israelis.
Absolutely true. None of Palestine was given to the Israelis.


Where was this UNPC when it was to secure the territory in its trust?


What coordinated steps did the UN take for these preparations?


Relinquished control to the UNPC not to Israel.

It was a coordinated action between the Jewish Agency and the UNPC; in the planning since January 1948 and first meeting reported to the Security Council.
The declaration of Israel was a unilateral move by the foreign Jewish agency inside Palestine without receiving any land to put their state. (see above) Israel still remains inside Palestine on Palestinian land. It is an alien entity inside Palestine.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

Most Respectfully,
R




I will ask again does this mean that you consider Jordan, Egypt, Saudi, Syria, Iraq and Lebanon to be invalid because they did not follow the same processes outlined above.
Remember CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW that was the basis of the lands ownership migrating to the LoN in 1919 who set up the mandate to act as caretakers until such time as the inhabitants were able to stand on their own two feet. How is it that after 95 years the Palestinians have still not shown they are capable of any free determination and are capable of standing on their own two feet.
 
Laugh all you want.

Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was formed in Zurich, Switzerland by the foreign World Zionist Organization. Much of "Israeli land" is controlled by the foreign Jewish National Fund that was created in Basel, Switzerland in 1901.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of Independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants. The vast majority of Israel's population were foreign settlers who were imported by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

Here's the problem Tin,
You are constantly pulling non-sequitur documents out of your ass and no one with more than one brain cell left wants to do the hours of research to discover all of your latest bullshit.

On the other hand, we have the EXTREMELY knowledgeable and honest RoccoR.

You are welcome to refute anything I said.

And obviously you are free to continue posting your already debunked statements and links.
Does nothing for your credibility.
 
Alien entity LOL!!

Laugh all you want.

Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was formed in Zurich, Switzerland by the foreign World Zionist Organization. Much of "Israeli land" is controlled by the foreign Jewish National Fund that was created in Basel, Switzerland in 1901.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of Independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants. The vast majority of Israel's population were foreign settlers who were imported by the foreign World Zionist Organization.




Which still was Jewish and under the terms of the mandate and the UN had the power to act for the Jewish people in the holy land. They were the self same people that the LoN infited to migrate to Palestine with the view of RESURECTING THE JEWISH NATIONAL HOME IN PALESTINE. The same mandate that looked at forced migration of those arab muslims who did not want to live under Jewish rule to Islamic nations still under mandate authority granting then full citizenship in the process.

keep trying to prove your fanciful claims when the evidence and reality show you don't know what you are talking about.
 
It doesn't matter, 'Palestine' never belong to the Palestinians, Israel has the only claim by both controlling force over it, and the League of Nations..what about them? violent morons got what they deserved.

Right!

United States (Vote: For): President Truman later noted, "The facts were that not only were there pressure movements around the United Nations unlike anything that had been seen there before, but that the White House, too, was subjected to a constant barrage. I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance. The persistence of a few of the extreme Zionist leaders—actuated by political motives and engaging in political threats—disturbed and annoyed me


In May, the UN formed a Special Committee (UNSCOP) to prepare a report on recommendations for Palestine. The Jewish Agency pressed for Jewish representation and the exclusion of both Britain and Arab countries on the Committee, sought visits to camps where Holocaust survivors were interned in Europe as part of UNSCOP's brief, and in May won representation on the Political Committee

The Arab delegations at the UN had sought to keep separate the issue of Palestine from the issue of Jewish refugees in Europe. During their visit, UNSCOP members were shocked by the extent of Lehi and Irgun violence, then at its apogee, and by the elaborate military presence attested by endemic barb-wire, searchlights, and armoured-car patrols. Committee members also witnessed the SS Exodus affair in Haifa and could hardly have remained unaffected by it.

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now we know Truman had no choice in the matter with all the extreme Zionist around him, (one must value their life when around extreme Zionist)

and lets all find out her the the Lehi are, we know who the Irgun are. Follow thread.

And you are clearly stating that every piece of legislation ever passed by an individual or an organization anywhere and anytime on earth was not subject to human subjectivity.

Actually I'm showing how Zionist ruled even Truman back then and was not going to take no for an answer. It obvious Palestine has no chance in hell of ever becoming anything other than prisoners in a country it once had and lived freely on.
 
Right!

United States (Vote: For): President Truman later noted, "The facts were that not only were there pressure movements around the United Nations unlike anything that had been seen there before, but that the White House, too, was subjected to a constant barrage. I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance. The persistence of a few of the extreme Zionist leaders—actuated by political motives and engaging in political threats—disturbed and annoyed me


In May, the UN formed a Special Committee (UNSCOP) to prepare a report on recommendations for Palestine. The Jewish Agency pressed for Jewish representation and the exclusion of both Britain and Arab countries on the Committee, sought visits to camps where Holocaust survivors were interned in Europe as part of UNSCOP's brief, and in May won representation on the Political Committee

The Arab delegations at the UN had sought to keep separate the issue of Palestine from the issue of Jewish refugees in Europe. During their visit, UNSCOP members were shocked by the extent of Lehi and Irgun violence, then at its apogee, and by the elaborate military presence attested by endemic barb-wire, searchlights, and armoured-car patrols. Committee members also witnessed the SS Exodus affair in Haifa and could hardly have remained unaffected by it.

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now we know Truman had no choice in the matter with all the extreme Zionist around him, (one must value their life when around extreme Zionist)

and lets all find out her the the Lehi are, we know who the Irgun are. Follow thread.

And you are clearly stating that every piece of legislation ever passed by an individual or an organization anywhere and anytime on earth was not subject to human subjectivity.

Actually I'm showing how Zionist ruled even Truman back then and was not going to take no for an answer. It obvious Palestine has no chance in hell of ever becoming anything other than prisoners in a country it once had and lived freely on.

Then why didn't the all powerful Kikes simply take the BIBLICAL borders stretching from the Jordan to the Mediterranean?
But of course one would have to look in the Torah to see that one.
 
Lehi
Lehi split from the Irgun militant group in 1940 in order to continue fighting the British during World War II. Lehi initially sought an alliance with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, offering to fight alongside them against the British in return for the transfer of all Jews from Nazi-occupied Europe to Palestine.[2] On the belief that Nazi Germany was a lesser enemy of the Jews than Britain, Lehi twice attempted to form an alliance with the Nazis.[2]

During World War II it declared that it would establish a Jewish state based upon "nationalist and totalitarian principles".[2] [17]After Stern's death in 1942, the new leadership of Lehi began to move it towards support of Joseph Stalin's Soviet Union.[1] In 1944 Lehi officially declared its support for National Bolshevism.[6


Lehi and the Irgun were jointly responsible for the massacre in Deir Yassin.

Lehi assassinated Lord Moyne, British Minister Resident in the Middle East, and made many other attacks on the British in Palestine.[19] On May 29, 1948, the government of Israel, having inducted its activist members into the Tzahal, formally disbanded Lehi, though some of its members carried out one more terrorist act, the assassination of Folke Bernadotte some months later,[20] an act condemned by Bernadotte's replacement as mediator, Ralph Bunche.[21] Israel granted a general amnesty to Lehi members on 14 February 1949. In 1980, Israel instituted a military decoration in "award for activity in the struggle for the establishment of Israel," the Lehi ribbon.[22
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)


You can not trust a Zionist Jew, and note how they wanted to fight for Hitler against the British. Unreal. And we're to believe the holocaust was as stated. Hitler was an angel compared to the Zionist Jews born of the devil himself.
 
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And you are clearly stating that every piece of legislation ever passed by an individual or an organization anywhere and anytime on earth was not subject to human subjectivity.

Actually I'm showing how Zionist ruled even Truman back then and was not going to take no for an answer. It obvious Palestine has no chance in hell of ever becoming anything other than prisoners in a country it once had and lived freely on.

Then why didn't the all powerful Kikes simply take the BIBLICAL borders stretching from the Jordan to the Mediterranean?
But of course one would have to look in the Torah to see that one.

Leave the Bible out of this. That is just talk by a tribe that was trying to overtake land. A tribe of Hebrew speaking people. That is their book, not the WORLD book that every one on earth is suppose to go by. Just theirs and theirs alone.
 
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Laugh all you want.

Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was formed in Zurich, Switzerland by the foreign World Zionist Organization. Much of "Israeli land" is controlled by the foreign Jewish National Fund that was created in Basel, Switzerland in 1901.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of Independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants. The vast majority of Israel's population were foreign settlers who were imported by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

Here's the problem Tin,
You are constantly pulling non-sequitur documents out of your ass and no one with more than one brain cell left wants to do the hours of research to discover all of your latest bullshit.

On the other hand, we have the EXTREMELY knowledgeable and honest RoccoR.

You are welcome to refute anything I said.

Nothing you said has any relevance to Israel being an alien entity.

Show me the definition of an alien entity with a valid link and how it applies to Israel.
Otherwise you're making up your own definition again.
 
Here's the problem Tin,
You are constantly pulling non-sequitur documents out of your ass and no one with more than one brain cell left wants to do the hours of research to discover all of your latest bullshit.

On the other hand, we have the EXTREMELY knowledgeable and honest RoccoR.

You are welcome to refute anything I said.

Nothing you said has any relevance to Israel being an alien entity.

Show me the definition of an alien entity with a valid link and how it applies to Israel.
Otherwise you're making up your own definition again.

This is a US definition, but I can't see where it could not be universally applied.

IMMIGRANT: In popular usage, an "immigrant" is generally understood to be a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence. Under this definition, therefore, an "immigrant" is an alien admitted to the U.S. as a lawful permanent resident. The emphasis in this definition is upon the presumptions that (1) the immigrant followed U.S. laws and procedures in establishing residence in our country; (2) he or she wishes to reside here permanently; and (3) he or she swears allegiance to our country or at least solemnly affirms that he/she will observe and respect our laws and our Constitution.

ALIEN: By contrast, an "alien" is generally understood to be a foreigner -- a person who comes from a foreign country -- who does not owe allegiance to our country.

Definitions: Alien, Immigrant, Illegal Alien, Undocumented Immigrant
 
You are welcome to refute anything I said.

Nothing you said has any relevance to Israel being an alien entity.

Show me the definition of an alien entity with a valid link and how it applies to Israel.
Otherwise you're making up your own definition again.

This is a US definition, but I can't see where it could not be universally applied.

IMMIGRANT: In popular usage, an "immigrant" is generally understood to be a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence. Under this definition, therefore, an "immigrant" is an alien admitted to the U.S. as a lawful permanent resident. The emphasis in this definition is upon the presumptions that (1) the immigrant followed U.S. laws and procedures in establishing residence in our country; (2) he or she wishes to reside here permanently; and (3) he or she swears allegiance to our country or at least solemnly affirms that he/she will observe and respect our laws and our Constitution.

ALIEN: By contrast, an "alien" is generally understood to be a foreigner -- a person who comes from a foreign country -- who does not owe allegiance to our country.

Definitions: Alien, Immigrant, Illegal Alien, Undocumented Immigrant

Lol that's talking about immigrants as aliens. What you posted has nothing to do with your previous allegation.
 
You are welcome to refute anything I said.

Nothing you said has any relevance to Israel being an alien entity.

Show me the definition of an alien entity with a valid link and how it applies to Israel.
Otherwise you're making up your own definition again.

This is a US definition, but I can't see where it could not be universally applied.

IMMIGRANT: In popular usage, an "immigrant" is generally understood to be a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence. Under this definition, therefore, an "immigrant" is an alien admitted to the U.S. as a lawful permanent resident. The emphasis in this definition is upon the presumptions that (1) the immigrant followed U.S. laws and procedures in establishing residence in our country; (2) he or she wishes to reside here permanently; and (3) he or she swears allegiance to our country or at least solemnly affirms that he/she will observe and respect our laws and our Constitution.

ALIEN: By contrast, an "alien" is generally understood to be a foreigner -- a person who comes from a foreign country -- who does not owe allegiance to our country.

Definitions: Alien, Immigrant, Illegal Alien, Undocumented Immigrant

Palestine was not an independent country at the time Jews emigrated there, so they had nothing to swear allegiance to.
 
That stupid little piece of shit country belongs to whomever carries the biggest stick. In this case the Jews and their extortion of the U.S. taxpayer. When you have the biggest hammer, every problem looks like a nail.




You do know that the Palestinians get more from the US than Israel does via the UNRWA, around $10 billion a year. And every penny is spent on attacking Israel

I have seen nothing that says 10 billion a year. Also

"On December 17, 2007, eighty-seven countries and international organizations met in Paris and pledged to provide $7.4 billion over three years to the Palestinian Authority[1] (PA), an amount far in excess of any previous level of U.S. or European aid to the Palestinians. The conference participants justified the aid as a means of providing "immediate support to the entire Palestinian population,"[2] and as a reward intended to strengthen those Palestinians who favor peaceful coexistence with Israel.[3]

Now we give (alone the US) 3.2 BIL a year to Israel, and even more for weapons and military.

so if Palestine should spend a little of what the get for weapons to protect themselves, I say its only right.
 
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That stupid little piece of shit country belongs to whomever carries the biggest stick. In this case the Jews and their extortion of the U.S. taxpayer. When you have the biggest hammer, every problem looks like a nail.




You do know that the Palestinians get more from the US than Israel does via the UNRWA, around $10 billion a year. And every penny is spent on attacking Israel

I have seen nothing that says 10 billion a year. Also

"On December 17, 2007, eighty-seven countries and international organizations met in Paris and pledged to provide $7.4 billion over three years to the Palestinian Authority[1] (PA), an amount far in excess of any previous level of U.S. or European aid to the Palestinians. The conference participants justified the aid as a means of providing "immediate support to the entire Palestinian population,"[2] and as a reward intended to strengthen those Palestinians who favor peaceful coexistence with Israel.[3]

Now we give (alone the US) 3.2 BIL a year to Israel, and even more for weapons and military.

so if Palestine should spend a little of what the get for weapons to protect themselves, I say its only right.

The $3.2 billion is only military aid. Israel doesn't get economic aid anymore.
 
It doesn't matter, 'Palestine' never belong to the Palestinians, Israel has the only claim by both controlling force over it, and the League of Nations..what about them? violent morons got what they deserved.

Right!

United States (Vote: For): President Truman later noted, "The facts were that not only were there pressure movements around the United Nations unlike anything that had been seen there before, but that the White House, too, was subjected to a constant barrage. I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance. The persistence of a few of the extreme Zionist leaders—actuated by political motives and engaging in political threats—disturbed and annoyed me


In May, the UN formed a Special Committee (UNSCOP) to prepare a report on recommendations for Palestine. The Jewish Agency pressed for Jewish representation and the exclusion of both Britain and Arab countries on the Committee, sought visits to camps where Holocaust survivors were interned in Europe as part of UNSCOP's brief, and in May won representation on the Political Committee

The Arab delegations at the UN had sought to keep separate the issue of Palestine from the issue of Jewish refugees in Europe. During their visit, UNSCOP members were shocked by the extent of Lehi and Irgun violence, then at its apogee, and by the elaborate military presence attested by endemic barb-wire, searchlights, and armoured-car patrols. Committee members also witnessed the SS Exodus affair in Haifa and could hardly have remained unaffected by it.

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now we know Truman had no choice in the matter with all the extreme Zionist around him, (one must value their life when around extreme Zionist)

and lets all find out her the the Lehi are, we know who the Irgun are. Follow thread.





AND...................... You do realise that as far back as 1919 the LoN had given the jews the whole of Palestine and Jordan as their RESURECTED NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS and because of arab nationalism pressure this was reduced year on year until barely 10% of the original land mass was left for the Jews. As the arab muslim population increased through illegal immigration ( a live birth rate of less than 14% could not double the population in 50 years never mind 5 ) the pressure on the LoN increased to stop the formation of a Jewish homeland. When the UN took over the reigns in 1945 the pressure increased even more which is why the ill fated and inherently flawed partition plan was put into place. The UN recognised this at a later date and had certain clauses written into the UN resolutions fromn that date on regarding Israel. The most obvious of these were the land for peace clauses and the negotiated mutual borders.


Read 242 without missing out any part and you see that it does not say Israel has to leave all the occupied territories before a settlement is reached. What is said :-

Operative Paragraph One "Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:

(i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;

(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."

Secretary of State Dean Rusk commented on the most significant area of disagreement regarding the resolution:


There was much bickering over whether that resolution should say from "the" territories or from "all" territories. In the French version, which is equally authentic, it says withdrawal de territory, with de meaning "the." We wanted that to be left a little vague and subject to future negotiation because we thought the Israeli border along the West Bank could be "rationalized"; certain anomalies could easily be straightened out with some exchanges of territory, making a more sensible border for all parties. We also wanted to leave open demilitarization measures in the Sinai and the Golan Heights and take a fresh look at the old city of Jerusalem. But we never contemplated any significant grant of territory to Israel as a result of the June 1967 war

Furthermore, Secretary Rusk's Telegram dated March 2, 1968 to the U.S. Interests Section of the Spanish Embassy in Cairo summarizing Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Eugene Rostow’s conversation with Soviet Ambassador Anatoly Dobrynin states:


Rostow said ... resolution required agreement on "secure and recognized" boundaries, which, as practical matter, and as matter of interpreting resolution, had to precede withdrawals. Two principles were basic to Article I of resolution. Paragraph from which Dobrynin quoted was linked to others, and he did not see how anyone could seriously argue, in light of history of resolution in Security Council, withdrawal to borders of June 4th was contemplated. These words had been pressed on Council by Indians and others, and had not been accepted.

In an address delivered on September 1, 1982 President Ronald Reagan said:


In the pre-1967 borders Israel was barely 10 miles wide at its narrowest point. The bulk of Israel's population lived within artillery range of hostile Arab armies. I am not about to ask Israel to live that way again...

So the United States will not support the establishment of an independent Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza, and we will not support annexation or permanent control by Israel.

There is, however, another way to peace. The final status of these lands must, of course, be reached through the give-and-take of negotiations; but it is the firm view of the United States that self-government by the Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza in association with Jordan offers the best chance for a durable, just and lasting peace.

It is the United States' position that - in return for peace - the withdrawal provision of Resolution 242 applies to all fronts, including the West Bank and Gaza.

When the border is negotiated between Jordan and Israel, our view on the extent to which Israel should be asked to give up territory will be heavily affected by the extent of true peace and normalization and the security arrangements offered in return.

Finally, we remain convinced that Jerusalem must remain undivided, but its final status should be decided through negotiations

United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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