To whom does the land of israel belong??

[Lipush]

The Jews have AT LEAST as much claim to it as the Arab/Muslims.

No, they don't, since they are squatting on land that was owned by others when the West reestablished the nation of Israel.

Jews always sat on this land. Arabs came from Arabia.

 

[Crystalclear]

It belongs to Israel. It was given to the Jews by the British.

 

[Phoenall]

The Jews have AT LEAST as much claim to it as the Arab/Muslims.

No, they don't, since they are squatting on land that was owned by others when the West reestablished the nation of Israel.

And the owners gave the land to the Jews if you look at your history, not the arab muslims as they got trans Jordan.

 

[Phoenall]

To the 12 Tribes of Israel...the JEWS. GOD said so.

/Thread.

God? You mean the Jews who said God gave them the land, since they wrote the OT. How very convenient...

As convenient as the muslims when Mohamed said that his new god had given all the world to the muslims as his chosen people. Then commanded them to convert or kill the worlds population

 

[Penelope]

It belongs to Israel. It was given to the Jews by the British.

No not quite, it was divided up by the British and Jerusalem was the neutral area. Since then Israel has been taking more and more.

 

[Penelope]

The Jews have AT LEAST as much claim to it as the Arab/Muslims.

No, they don't, since they are squatting on land that was owned by others when the West reestablished the nation of Israel.

Jews always sat on this land. Arabs came from Arabia.

Check your history. This is not so. Also Jews did not come from Palestine.

 

[Phoenall]

Just some food for thought.

TO WHOM DOES THE LAND OF ISRAEL BELONG??

An ingenious example of speech and politics occurred recently in the United Nations Assembly.

A representative from Israel began:

'Before beginning my talk I want to tell you something about Moses.
When he struck the rock and it brought forth water, he thought, "What a good opportunity to have a bath!"

Moses removed his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the water.
When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished.
A Palestinian had stolen them!

The Palestinian representative at the UN jumped up furiously and shouted,
"What are you talking about? The Palestinians weren't there then."

The Israeli representative smiled and said:
"And now that we have made that clear, I will begin my speech."


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Did the Israeli representative mention the Zionists?

"There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs. Not now, nor in the prospective future. I say this with such conviction, not because I want to hurt the moderate Zionists. I do not believe that they will be hurt.

"Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting 'Palestine' from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority."

"The Iron Wall" | Jewish Virtual Library

Why did you miss out the rest, or would that have destroyed your argument

First of all, I consider it utterly impossible to eject the Arabs from Palestine. There will always be two nations in Palestine – which is good enough for me, provided the Jews become the majority. And secondly, I belong to the group that once drew up the Helsingfors Programme , the programme of national rights for all nationalities living in the same State. In drawing up that programme, we had in mind not only the Jews, but all nations everywhere, and its basis is equality of rights.

I am prepared to take an oath binding ourselves and our descendants that we shall never do anything contrary to the principle of equal rights, and that we shall never try to eject anyone. This seems to me a fairly peaceful credo.

But it is quite another question whether it is always possible to realise a peaceful aim by peaceful means. For the answer to this question does not depend on our attitude to the Arabs, but entirely on the attitude of the Arabs to us and to Zionism

 

[Penelope]

To whom does the land of israel belong??

The Arabs of Palestine...

Arabs of Palestine?

ROFL!

Those would be the peaceful Arab citizens of the nation if Israel?

Or the squatters the Arabs shoved around Israel to keep the pressure on?

In the present struggle regarding GAZA? Isn't it ODD that The Saudi's and Egypt are siding with Israel, and Netenyahu?

Curious

Not at all, birds of a feather flock together.

 

[Phoenall]

That stupid little piece of shit country belongs to whomever carries the biggest stick. In this case the Jews and their extortion of the U.S. taxpayer. When you have the biggest hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

You do know that the Palestinians get more from the US than Israel does via the UNRWA, around $10 billion a year. And every penny is spent on attacking Israel

 

[Phoenall]

Arabs of Palestine?

ROFL!

Those would be the peaceful Arab citizens of the nation if Israel?

Or the squatters the Arabs shoved around Israel to keep the pressure on?

In the present struggle regarding GAZA? Isn't it ODD that The Saudi's and Egypt are siding with Israel, and Netenyahu?

Curious

Elites in both dictatorships are siding with the US and Israel; the vast majority of humanity on this planet sides with the Palestinians.

Not what I am seeing, the majority are seeing hamas for what it is and have turned against it completely

 

[Phoenall]

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So all land belongs to the people who first lived on it?

That's what is "fair"?

Holy CRAP, this is gonna be COMPLICATED.

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Considering how many people lived there before the Jews, oh yeah...

Indeed, the Jews were not the first people there nor were they ever the only people there.

There is no historic precedent for an exclusive ownership.

Yet you have claimed that the arab muslims own it all because of some treaties that don't even mention Palestine............

 

[Phoenall]

Considering how many people lived there before the Jews, oh yeah...

Indeed, the Jews were not the first people there nor were they ever the only people there.

There is no historic precedent for an exclusive ownership.

Ah but the Bible they say, that proves it, however to rational people, and many anti-Zionist Jews, it does not.

The same rational people that declare CUSTONARY INTERNATIONAL LAW to be wrong because it supports the Jews claim to the land.

 

[Phoenall]

It belongs to Israel. It was given to the Jews by the British.

In actual fact the British tried to dispossess the Jews after the LoN gave them the land, then gave up the mandate when the UN turned against them

 

[P F Tinmore]

Considering how many people lived there before the Jews, oh yeah...

Indeed, the Jews were not the first people there nor were they ever the only people there.

There is no historic precedent for an exclusive ownership.

Yet you have claimed that the arab muslims own it all because of some treaties that don't even mention Palestine............

I have never said that.

 

[Phoenall]

It belongs to Israel. It was given to the Jews by the British.

No not quite, it was divided up by the British and Jerusalem was the neutral area. Since then Israel has been taking more and more.

Shows just how lacking you are in intelligence as Britain did not have the authority to apportion the land, that was down to the LoN

 

[P F Tinmore]

It belongs to Israel. It was given to the Jews by the British.

In actual fact the British tried to dispossess the Jews after the LoN gave them the land, then gave up the mandate when the UN turned against them

In actual fact the British did not own the land. It was not theirs to give away and they did not.

 

[toastman]

It belongs to Israel. It was given to the Jews by the British.

In actual fact the British tried to dispossess the Jews after the LoN gave them the land, then gave up the mandate when the UN turned against them

In actual fact the British did not own the land. It was not theirs to give away and they did not.

Land transfer never had anything to do with anything. I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

 

[Crystalclear]

It belongs to Israel. It was given to the Jews by the British.

No not quite, it was divided up by the British and Jerusalem was the neutral area. Since then Israel has been taking more and more.

No, in first instance all of the mandate of Palestine (also including modern day Jordan) was given to the Jewish to set up their homeland by the League of Nations. The British ruled the mandate and decided to seperare Transjordan (modern day Jordan) from the Jewish territory. Only a small part of the mandate was left for the Jews and that piece of land was split again in 1948 with the UN two-state resolution.
So no, Palestine was not divided up by the British, but by the UN.
You are talking about the UN two-state resolution in 1948, I was talking about the British mandate of Palestine after WW1. In first instance, all of the mandate was for the Jewish people.

 

[Crystalclear]

It belongs to Israel. It was given to the Jews by the British.

In actual fact the British tried to dispossess the Jews after the LoN gave them the land, then gave up the mandate when the UN turned against them

Okay, then it was given by the LoN instead of the British, but it comes down to the same. The Jewish people got Palestine as a place to set up a Jewish homeland by the League of Nation

 

[Penelope]

The Jews have AT LEAST as much claim to it as the Arab/Muslims.

No, they don't, since they are squatting on land that was owned by others when the West reestablished the nation of Israel.

And the owners gave the land to the Jews if you look at your history, not the arab muslims as they got trans Jordan.

They had lines and a neutral area of Jerusalem, and Israel has changed those line , bulldozed the property and built homes or apts on the land. Israel needs to set them free and return their land.