To whom does the land of israel belong??

[TemplarKormac]

That was nice. Europeans taking land from the indigenous people and giving it to other Europeans.

The only indigenous people were the Jews and the Christians, the arab muslims were just wandering farm labourers with no land or ties to the land

The Arabs of Palestine, whether Muslim or Christian are the same people that have always been in the area called Palestine. What their ancestor's religion was has no bearing on the matter. Stop spouting that stupid discredited Zionist propaganda.

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.
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"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

Well of course, the British restricted Jewish immigration into Palestine beginning in 1919 and ending 23 years later in 1942. The land allotment was severely biased towards the Palestinians, thusly the Jewish population stagnated. During the Holocaust, the British offered no sanctuary for the Jews in Palestine, and none after the Holocaust. The British further started imprisoning Jews who were trying to seek refuge in Palestine.

So, the population would have grown without British immigration restrictions...

 

[toastman]

You obviously don't know what the word stolen means Susan. Stop getting your history from sites like stormfront and you will see that Israel legally declared independence on the land allotted to it in the 1947 partition plan, after completing the steps to independence.
The 'Israel stole Palestine' is a Muslim lie

Uhhh, the UN has no land. The UN has never had any land.

How can the UN "allot" something it does not have?

Ever hear of the UN Partition Plan of 1947? That was them divvying out land for Israel and Palestine. They dictated the borders between the two.

That is true, but, The plan flopped and never took place.

Yes of course, because the Arabs rejected it out of hand. Israel accepted it. The Arabs have a history of refusing to cooperate with efforts to restore peace in the region since the 1920s, as I have said a million times before, Israel has made many concessions for peace; only to be rebuffed and vilified for it's efforts. When they defend themselves from aggression, they are seen as the aggressors. When someone attacks them, they are seen as defending themselves from Israeli aggression.

You're right, the UN Partition Plan was never implemented, not because of Israel, but because certain people were interested in peace but the extermination of Israel.

And whose country were they planning to partition?

Are you really asking this question?
There aas no country to partition. If Palestine was already a country, there woukd never have been a partition plan. But the fact of the matter is, it was unincorporated territory that, although had native people living there in land they owned, didn't actually 'belong' to anyone.

Now it belongs to Israel

 

[Hossfly]

Uhhh, the UN has no land. The UN has never had any land.

How can the UN "allot" something it does not have?

Ever hear of the UN Partition Plan of 1947? That was them divvying out land for Israel and Palestine. They dictated the borders between the two.

That is true, but, The plan flopped and never took place.

Yes of course, because the Arabs rejected it out of hand. Israel accepted it. The Arabs have a history of refusing to cooperate with efforts to restore peace in the region since the 1920s, as I have said a million times before, Israel has made many concessions for peace; only to be rebuffed and vilified for it's efforts. When they defend themselves from aggression, they are seen as the aggressors. When someone attacks them, they are seen as defending themselves from Israeli aggression.

You're right, the UN Partition Plan was never implemented, not because of Israel, but because certain people were interested in peace but the extermination of Israel.

And whose country were they planning to partition?

Are you really asking this question?
There aas no country to partition. If Palestine was already a country, there woukd never have been a partition plan. But the fact of the matter is, it was unincorporated territory that, although had native people living there in land they owned, didn't actually 'belong' to anyone.

Now it belongs to Israel

Tinmore is like a stuck record. Over and over and over and over and..............

 

[montelatici]

Uhhh, the UN has no land. The UN has never had any land.

How can the UN "allot" something it does not have?

Ever hear of the UN Partition Plan of 1947? That was them divvying out land for Israel and Palestine. They dictated the borders between the two.

That is true, but, The plan flopped and never took place.

Yes of course, because the Arabs rejected it out of hand. Israel accepted it. The Arabs have a history of refusing to cooperate with efforts to restore peace in the region since the 1920s, as I have said a million times before, Israel has made many concessions for peace; only to be rebuffed and vilified for it's efforts. When they defend themselves from aggression, they are seen as the aggressors. When someone attacks them, they are seen as defending themselves from Israeli aggression.

You're right, the UN Partition Plan was never implemented, not because of Israel, but because certain people were interested in peace but the extermination of Israel.

And whose country were they planning to partition?

Are you really asking this question?
There aas no country to partition. If Palestine was already a country, there woukd never have been a partition plan. But the fact of the matter is, it was unincorporated territory that, although had native people living there in land they owned, didn't actually 'belong' to anyone.

Now it belongs to Israel

The Christians and Muslims of Palestine refused to cooperate in helping the British and Jews dispossess them of their land and homes. The only aggression against the Jews was resistance by the Christians and Muslims against the Jewish/Zionist plan to dispossess them. Would you expect any people to just peacefully agree to be invaded by settlers from another continent that clearly indicated that they intended to take over? What planet are you from? Take out your racism against Arabs and replace them with the Irish. Were the Irish wrong to resist the British settlement of Ireland?

 

[toastman]

Ever hear of the UN Partition Plan of 1947? That was them divvying out land for Israel and Palestine. They dictated the borders between the two.

That is true, but, The plan flopped and never took place.

Yes of course, because the Arabs rejected it out of hand. Israel accepted it. The Arabs have a history of refusing to cooperate with efforts to restore peace in the region since the 1920s, as I have said a million times before, Israel has made many concessions for peace; only to be rebuffed and vilified for it's efforts. When they defend themselves from aggression, they are seen as the aggressors. When someone attacks them, they are seen as defending themselves from Israeli aggression.

You're right, the UN Partition Plan was never implemented, not because of Israel, but because certain people were interested in peace but the extermination of Israel.

And whose country were they planning to partition?

Are you really asking this question?
There aas no country to partition. If Palestine was already a country, there woukd never have been a partition plan. But the fact of the matter is, it was unincorporated territory that, although had native people living there in land they owned, didn't actually 'belong' to anyone.

Now it belongs to Israel

The Christians and Muslims of Palestine refused to cooperate in helping the British and Jews dispossess them of their land and homes. The only aggression against the Jews was resistance by the Christians and Muslims against the Jewish/Zionist plan to dispossess them. Would you expect any people to just peacefully agree to be invaded by settlers from another continent that clearly indicated that they intended to take over? What planet are you from? Take out your racism against Arabs and replace them with the Irish. Were the Irish wrong to resist the British settlement of Ireland?

The only aggression against Jews was resistance??

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thanks for proving my point that you distort history.
Arabs were killing Jews in Mandatory Palestine . There were many attacks against Jews, but you justify those attacks while complaining about Jewish attacks against Arabs. You're basically saying it was ok for Arabs to kill Jews but not vice versa. Extremely biased.
And they didn't refuse in helping Jews and British disposess them. They refused to allow the territory to be partitioned. It had nothing to do with disposession.
Ironically enough, the Palestinians used resolution 181 in 1988 to declare independence, the same resolution (partition plan) tbey rejected

 

[montelatici]

"You're basically saying it was ok for Arabs to kill Jews but not vice versa. Extremely biased."

The Europeans were invaders, a people have every right to defend themselves against invaders. The Jews intended to take the land away from the Christians and Muslims. It does not matter one bit that another foreigner agrees to allow the Jews to invade. It is similar to the Pope dividing the Americas between Spain and Portugal. It mattered not one bit that the Pope divided the land between Spain and Portugal, and the Native Americans had every right to attack the Europeans.

Secondly, the Christians and Muslims were oppressed by the Jews from the moment the Jews arrived as Achad Ha'am, an early Zionist confirms when writing about the Jewish settlers..

"This sudden change has produced in them the arrogance of the slave-turned-master. They treat the Arabs with malice and cruelty, unjustly trespassing on their land, shamelessly whipping them for no good reason and then boasting about it. There is no one who stands up against this wrongful and dangerous behavior. Our brothers may be right in saying that the Arabs respect only those who are tough with them - But if they have reason to think that they are being oppressed or persecuted, even if they say nothing and suppress their feelings until the end of time, they will harbor thoughts of revenge in their hearts."

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[docmauser1]

The Europeans were invaders, a people have every right to defend themselves against invaders.

Stale drivel.

 

[Phoenall]

That was nice. Europeans taking land from the indigenous people and giving it to other Europeans.

The only indigenous people were the Jews and the Christians, the arab muslims were just wandering farm labourers with no land or ties to the land

The Arabs of Palestine, whether Muslim or Christian are the same people that have always been in the area called Palestine. What their ancestor's religion was has no bearing on the matter. Stop spouting that stupid discredited Zionist propaganda.

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.
​

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

Because something is in the UN archives does not mean it is true, it just means that it is in the archives.

 

[Phoenall]

Just some food for thought.

TO WHOM DOES THE LAND OF ISRAEL BELONG??

An ingenious example of speech and politics occurred recently in the United Nations Assembly.

A representative from Israel began:

'Before beginning my talk I want to tell you something about Moses.
When he struck the rock and it brought forth water, he thought, "What a good opportunity to have a bath!"

Moses removed his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the water.
When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished.
A Palestinian had stolen them!

The Palestinian representative at the UN jumped up furiously and shouted,
"What are you talking about? The Palestinians weren't there then."

The Israeli representative smiled and said:
"And now that we have made that clear, I will begin my speech."


The land stolen by Israelites that is now called Palestine by Muslims and Israel by Jews belongs to the Canaanites (and their descendants), whom Muslims procreated with. Clearly, Muslims hold the better title to this land having married with Canaanites. ~ Susan


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You obviously don't know what the word stolen means Susan. Stop getting your history from sites like stormfront and you will see that Israel legally declared independence on the land allotted to it in the 1947 partition plan, after completing the steps to independence.
The 'Israel stole Palestine' is a Muslim lie

Uhhh, the UN has no land. The UN has never had any land.

How can the UN "allot" something it does not have?

Ever hear of the UN Partition Plan of 1947? That was them divvying out land for Israel and Palestine. They dictated the borders between the two.

That is true, but, The plan flopped and never took place.

Does that mean the Palestinian declaration of independence of 1988 is void and that Palestine does not exist as they used UN 181 as the basis for the declaration ?

 

[Phoenall]

You obviously don't know what the word stolen means Susan. Stop getting your history from sites like stormfront and you will see that Israel legally declared independence on the land allotted to it in the 1947 partition plan, after completing the steps to independence.
The 'Israel stole Palestine' is a Muslim lie

Uhhh, the UN has no land. The UN has never had any land.

How can the UN "allot" something it does not have?

Ever hear of the UN Partition Plan of 1947? That was them divvying out land for Israel and Palestine. They dictated the borders between the two.

That is true, but, The plan flopped and never took place.

Yes of course, because the Arabs rejected it out of hand. Israel accepted it. The Arabs have a history of refusing to cooperate with efforts to restore peace in the region since the 1920s, as I have said a million times before, Israel has made many concessions for peace; only to be rebuffed and vilified for it's efforts. When they defend themselves from aggression, they are seen as the aggressors. When someone attacks them, they are seen as defending themselves from Israeli aggression.

You're right, the UN Partition Plan was never implemented, not because of Israel, but because certain people were interested in peace but the extermination of Israel.

And whose country were they planning to partition?

The Jews who had been promised ALL of Palestine including what is now Trans Jordan.

 

[Moonglow]

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So all land belongs to the people who first lived on it?

That's what is "fair"?

Holy CRAP, this is gonna be COMPLICATED.

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The US will start giving back Indians lands......

 

[Moonglow]

To the 12 Tribes of Israel...the JEWS. GOD said so.

I've never heard God say so. The only place I've seen it said is in the Bible and that was written AFTER the Babylonian captivity. The whole Exodus story was written to give the returnees a sense of nationhood, but the archaeological evidence shows that it has very little to do with historical accuracy.

And the evidence from archaeologists suggest that there were no Jewish slaves working on the Pyramids...

 

[Phoenall]

"You're basically saying it was ok for Arabs to kill Jews but not vice versa. Extremely biased."

The Europeans were invaders, a people have every right to defend themselves against invaders. The Jews intended to take the land away from the Christians and Muslims. It does not matter one bit that another foreigner agrees to allow the Jews to invade. It is similar to the Pope dividing the Americas between Spain and Portugal. It mattered not one bit that the Pope divided the land between Spain and Portugal, and the Native Americans had every right to attack the Europeans.

Secondly, the Christians and Muslims were oppressed by the Jews from the moment the Jews arrived as Achad Ha'am, an early Zionist confirms when writing about the Jewish settlers..

"This sudden change has produced in them the arrogance of the slave-turned-master. They treat the Arabs with malice and cruelty, unjustly trespassing on their land, shamelessly whipping them for no good reason and then boasting about it. There is no one who stands up against this wrongful and dangerous behavior. Our brothers may be right in saying that the Arabs respect only those who are tough with them - But if they have reason to think that they are being oppressed or persecuted, even if they say nothing and suppress their feelings until the end of time, they will harbor thoughts of revenge in their hearts."

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The Europeans were invited to settle the land by the Ottomans and the LoN, both of which held title to the land. The muslims did not arrive on the scene until the dying years of the 19C when they were told of the work available on Jewish farms. The muslims decided to oppress the Jews and steal their land but failed when the Ottomans beat them back.
Haven't Jordan shown that this is the only way to achieve peace with the Palestinians, use force to subdue them and make them cower. It worked because Jordan no longer has any problems with the palestinians

 

[montelatici]

Why do you just make things up. The Ottomans were Muslim you dunce. The Ottomans never "beat back" fellow Muslims Phoney.

 

[montelatici]

You sure like making things up. "The muslims did not arrive on the scene until the dying years of the 19C when they were told of the work available on Jewish farms."

Who do you think lived in Palestine before the 19th century? Let me remind you from source documents:

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews.

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

 

[Penelope]

"You're basically saying it was ok for Arabs to kill Jews but not vice versa. Extremely biased."

The Europeans were invaders, a people have every right to defend themselves against invaders. The Jews intended to take the land away from the Christians and Muslims. It does not matter one bit that another foreigner agrees to allow the Jews to invade. It is similar to the Pope dividing the Americas between Spain and Portugal. It mattered not one bit that the Pope divided the land between Spain and Portugal, and the Native Americans had every right to attack the Europeans.

Secondly, the Christians and Muslims were oppressed by the Jews from the moment the Jews arrived as Achad Ha'am, an early Zionist confirms when writing about the Jewish settlers..

"This sudden change has produced in them the arrogance of the slave-turned-master. They treat the Arabs with malice and cruelty, unjustly trespassing on their land, shamelessly whipping them for no good reason and then boasting about it. There is no one who stands up against this wrongful and dangerous behavior. Our brothers may be right in saying that the Arabs respect only those who are tough with them - But if they have reason to think that they are being oppressed or persecuted, even if they say nothing and suppress their feelings until the end of time, they will harbor thoughts of revenge in their hearts."

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The Europeans were invited to settle the land by the Ottomans and the LoN, both of which held title to the land. The muslims did not arrive on the scene until the dying years of the 19C when they were told of the work available on Jewish farms. The muslims decided to oppress the Jews and steal their land but failed when the Ottomans beat them back.
Haven't Jordan shown that this is the only way to achieve peace with the Palestinians, use force to subdue them and make them cower. It worked because Jordan no longer has any problems with the palestinians

Abraham was an arab and probably a Palestinian.

 

[teddyearp]

Moses wasn't born in the Holy Land, and never so much as even saw it from a distance. Do read your bible sometime...

The OP never said Moses was born in Israel.