To whom does the land of israel belong??

[P F Tinmore]

When were Jews the only people there?

Never.

I see that you've never read your Bible.

Not really. Jesus talked to a Canaanite woman. Rumors were that they were extinct by then.

 

[Phoenall]

Laugh all you want.

Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was formed in Zurich, Switzerland by the foreign World Zionist Organization. Much of "Israeli land" is controlled by the foreign Jewish National Fund that was created in Basel, Switzerland in 1901.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of Independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants. The vast majority of Israel's population were foreign settlers who were imported by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

Here's the problem Tin,
You are constantly pulling non-sequitur documents out of your ass and no one with more than one brain cell left wants to do the hours of research to discover all of your latest bullshit.

On the other hand, we have the EXTREMELY knowledgeable and honest RoccoR.

You are welcome to refute anything I said.

Have done constantly and provided the evidence to show that you are full of shit. Yet still you spout the same ISLAMONAZI rubbish as if it was undeniable fact. The LoN accepted and agreed to include The Jewish Agency in any negotiations, this passed on to the UN when they took over the power of mandate.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Here's the problem Tin,
You are constantly pulling non-sequitur documents out of your ass and no one with more than one brain cell left wants to do the hours of research to discover all of your latest bullshit.

On the other hand, we have the EXTREMELY knowledgeable and honest RoccoR.

You are welcome to refute anything I said.

Have done constantly and provided the evidence to show that you are full of shit. Yet still you spout the same ISLAMONAZI rubbish as if it was undeniable fact. The LoN accepted and agreed to include The Jewish Agency in any negotiations, this passed on to the UN when they took over the power of mandate.

Your blabber refutes my issues?

 

[Phoenall]

Lehi
Lehi split from the Irgun militant group in 1940 in order to continue fighting the British during World War II. Lehi initially sought an alliance with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, offering to fight alongside them against the British in return for the transfer of all Jews from Nazi-occupied Europe to Palestine.[2] On the belief that Nazi Germany was a lesser enemy of the Jews than Britain, Lehi twice attempted to form an alliance with the Nazis.[2]

During World War II it declared that it would establish a Jewish state based upon "nationalist and totalitarian principles".[2] [17]After Stern's death in 1942, the new leadership of Lehi began to move it towards support of Joseph Stalin's Soviet Union.[1] In 1944 Lehi officially declared its support for National Bolshevism.[6


Lehi and the Irgun were jointly responsible for the massacre in Deir Yassin.

Lehi assassinated Lord Moyne, British Minister Resident in the Middle East, and made many other attacks on the British in Palestine.[19] On May 29, 1948, the government of Israel, having inducted its activist members into the Tzahal, formally disbanded Lehi, though some of its members carried out one more terrorist act, the assassination of Folke Bernadotte some months later,[20] an act condemned by Bernadotte's replacement as mediator, Ralph Bunche.[21] Israel granted a general amnesty to Lehi members on 14 February 1949. In 1980, Israel instituted a military decoration in "award for activity in the struggle for the establishment of Israel," the Lehi ribbon.[22
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)


You can not trust a Zionist Jew, and note how they wanted to fight for Hitler against the British. Unreal. And we're to believe the holocaust was as stated. Hitler was an angel compared to the Zionist Jews born of the devil himself.

AND............................ does not make them the leaders of the Jews or their actions official Jewish policy. In light of the evidence how far can you trust a Palestinian when they are so devious as to breach agreements before the ink is dry.

 

[Phoenall]

Actually I'm showing how Zionist ruled even Truman back then and was not going to take no for an answer. It obvious Palestine has no chance in hell of ever becoming anything other than prisoners in a country it once had and lived freely on.

Then why didn't the all powerful Kikes simply take the BIBLICAL borders stretching from the Jordan to the Mediterranean?
But of course one would have to look in the Torah to see that one.

Leave the Bible out of this. That is just talk by a tribe that was trying to overtake land. A tribe of Hebrew speaking people. That is their book, not the WORLD book that every one on earth is suppose to go by. Just theirs and theirs alone.

Changing the rules when you are shown to be wrong is not the way to win arguments. The evidence shows that the arab muslims used as much terrorism and political force as the Jews to get their own way. It also shows that the arab muslims won the day when it came to political force as they expected the Jews to reject the partition plan due to its shortcomings. What a kick in the face when the Jewish agency accepted res 181 and then declared independence on the land allocated for the Jewish homeland.

But you need to read the Koran to see what allah gave his chosen people as their right, and this is what the arab muslim Palestinians work by. Look at the land taken by force by the muslims since the end of WW2 in breach of the UN charter, Geneva conventions and International law. Look at the numbers massacred in the process with not a whisper from the pro ISLAMONAZI gangs that infest the internet. Over 50 million in India alone fell to ISLAMONAZI terrorism based on the teachings in the Koran, and yet you still defend their actions and condemn Israel for killing 1800 mostly terrorists or militia in self defence.

 

[Penelope]

Lehi
Lehi split from the Irgun militant group in 1940 in order to continue fighting the British during World War II. Lehi initially sought an alliance with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, offering to fight alongside them against the British in return for the transfer of all Jews from Nazi-occupied Europe to Palestine.[2] On the belief that Nazi Germany was a lesser enemy of the Jews than Britain, Lehi twice attempted to form an alliance with the Nazis.[2]

During World War II it declared that it would establish a Jewish state based upon "nationalist and totalitarian principles".[2] [17]After Stern's death in 1942, the new leadership of Lehi began to move it towards support of Joseph Stalin's Soviet Union.[1] In 1944 Lehi officially declared its support for National Bolshevism.[6


Lehi and the Irgun were jointly responsible for the massacre in Deir Yassin.

Lehi assassinated Lord Moyne, British Minister Resident in the Middle East, and made many other attacks on the British in Palestine.[19] On May 29, 1948, the government of Israel, having inducted its activist members into the Tzahal, formally disbanded Lehi, though some of its members carried out one more terrorist act, the assassination of Folke Bernadotte some months later,[20] an act condemned by Bernadotte's replacement as mediator, Ralph Bunche.[21] Israel granted a general amnesty to Lehi members on 14 February 1949. In 1980, Israel instituted a military decoration in "award for activity in the struggle for the establishment of Israel," the Lehi ribbon.[22
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)


You can not trust a Zionist Jew, and note how they wanted to fight for Hitler against the British. Unreal. And we're to believe the holocaust was as stated. Hitler was an angel compared to the Zionist Jews born of the devil himself.

AND............................ does not make them the leaders of the Jews or their actions official Jewish policy. In light of the evidence how far can you trust a Palestinian when they are so devious as to breach agreements before the ink is dry.

I don't read this stuff from Muslims writings. The recent beheadings, which are most likely propaganda. But there is a long history of bombings with Israel. Even the American Embassy Bombing in Egypt that didn't turn out, but firstly blamed on Egypt. I don't think anything has changed but if anything it has got worst.

I disagree, I think it is, they turned into the IDF in 1948, and
they are known for the first truck bombers, and sending explosives in the mail.

On 12 January 1947, Lehi members drove a truckload of explosives into a British police station in Haifa killing four and injuring 140, in what has been called 'the world's first true truck bomb'.[

On 15 April 1947 a bomb consisting of twenty-four sticks of explosives was planted in the Colonial Office, Whitehall. It failed to explode due to a fault in the timer. Five weeks later, on 22 May, five alleged Lehi members were arrested in Paris with bomb making material including explosives of the same type as found in London. On 2 June, two Lehi members, Betty Knouth and Yaacov Levstien, were arrested crossing from Belgium to France.

Envelopes addressed to British officials, with detonators, batteries and a time fuse were found in one of Knouth's suitcases. Knouth was sentenced to a year in prison, Levstien to eight months. The British Security Services identified Knouth as the person who planted the bomb in the Colonial Office. Shortly after their arrest, 21 letter bombs were intercepted addressed to senior British figures.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Never.

I see that you've never read your Bible.

Not really. Jesus talked to a Canaanite woman. Rumors were that they were extinct by then.

I don't know the New Testament very well, but even I know that it was a Samaritan woman he spoke to. Samaritans were an offshoot of Judaism.

 

[Phoenall]

You are welcome to refute anything I said.

Nothing you said has any relevance to Israel being an alien entity.

Show me the definition of an alien entity with a valid link and how it applies to Israel.
Otherwise you're making up your own definition again.

This is a US definition, but I can't see where it could not be universally applied.

IMMIGRANT: In popular usage, an "immigrant" is generally understood to be a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence. Under this definition, therefore, an "immigrant" is an alien admitted to the U.S. as a lawful permanent resident. The emphasis in this definition is upon the presumptions that (1) the immigrant followed U.S. laws and procedures in establishing residence in our country; (2) he or she wishes to reside here permanently; and (3) he or she swears allegiance to our country or at least solemnly affirms that he/she will observe and respect our laws and our Constitution.

ALIEN: By contrast, an "alien" is generally understood to be a foreigner -- a person who comes from a foreign country -- who does not owe allegiance to our country.

Definitions: Alien, Immigrant, Illegal Alien, Undocumented Immigrant

So which country did the Jewish migrants migrate to and swear alliegence to after May 14 1948 ? Cant have been Palestine as that did not legally exist until 1988, and then not as a nation according to the UN charter. The land was under mandate and as such had no standing until the people declared their intentions to form a nation and exist on their own sufferance. The arab muslim Palestinians have constantly shown they are not capable of doing this so will remain in limbo until they grow up

 

[P F Tinmore]

I see that you've never read your Bible.

Not really. Jesus talked to a Canaanite woman. Rumors were that they were extinct by then.

I don't know the New Testament very well, but even I know that it was a Samaritan woman he spoke to. Samaritans were an offshoot of Judaism.

I am pretty sure she was Canaanite. Perhaps you were thinking of another incident.

BTW, Samaritans still live in the West Bank. Some of them even work for the PA.

 

[Phoenall]

That stupid little piece of shit country belongs to whomever carries the biggest stick. In this case the Jews and their extortion of the U.S. taxpayer. When you have the biggest hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

You do know that the Palestinians get more from the US than Israel does via the UNRWA, around $10 billion a year. And every penny is spent on attacking Israel

I have seen nothing that says 10 billion a year. Also

"On December 17, 2007, eighty-seven countries and international organizations met in Paris and pledged to provide $7.4 billion over three years to the Palestinian Authority[1] (PA), an amount far in excess of any previous level of U.S. or European aid to the Palestinians. The conference participants justified the aid as a means of providing "immediate support to the entire Palestinian population,"[2] and as a reward intended to strengthen those Palestinians who favor peaceful coexistence with Israel.[3]

Now we give (alone the US) 3.2 BIL a year to Israel, and even more for weapons and military.

so if Palestine should spend a little of what the get for weapons to protect themselves, I say its only right.

You don't give Israel a dime, your government does and takes back more than they give. The majority of that 3.2 billion is in the form of loans with interest to pay on the capital, it also has certain stipulations placed on where the loan money can be spent. This means that Israel has to buy American made goods at inflated prices with the loans, and then pay the loans back with interest. The actual aid to Israel is less than half a billion, in line with what the US gives Egypt and Jordan. The US gives the UN $6.34 billion of which half goes towards the UNRWA and other aid programmes in Palestine. So why cant the Palestinians spend just a little of the vast amounts of charity they receive on re-building the infrastructure and providing the people with jobs instead of spending every penny of the $10 billion they get on violence, terrorism and war.


By the way the figures are from the UN treasury and the UN themselves and apply for 2009 the last public accounts available, so you can expect the current years figures to be at least 4 times this.

 

[Phoenall]

Jews always sat on this land. Arabs came from Arabia.

When were Jews the only people there?

Never.

Compared to the Jews when did the arab muslims come on the scene ?

 

[Daniyel]

By the question of who came first, Jews came first, Jews always been here, and the Pals are just a temporarily guests [MENTION=50023]Penelope[/MENTION] have you read Prophet Yehezkel's Prophecy? 'We will gather from all nations to Israel, nobody would move us no matter how hard they'll try..we'll be called thieves in our own home..' And this is only one of the smallest signs by the way.

 

[Phoenall]

You are welcome to refute anything I said.

Have done constantly and provided the evidence to show that you are full of shit. Yet still you spout the same ISLAMONAZI rubbish as if it was undeniable fact. The LoN accepted and agreed to include The Jewish Agency in any negotiations, this passed on to the UN when they took over the power of mandate.

Your blabber refutes my issues?

No the facts and evidence from unbiased sources does, like the Lon and their mandates and the many treaties signed after WW1.

Now once again who says the Jews were not legal immigrants invited to settle in Palestine and resurrect THE NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS by the land legal owners ?

 

[Phoenall]

Lehi
Lehi split from the Irgun militant group in 1940 in order to continue fighting the British during World War II. Lehi initially sought an alliance with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, offering to fight alongside them against the British in return for the transfer of all Jews from Nazi-occupied Europe to Palestine.[2] On the belief that Nazi Germany was a lesser enemy of the Jews than Britain, Lehi twice attempted to form an alliance with the Nazis.[2]

During World War II it declared that it would establish a Jewish state based upon "nationalist and totalitarian principles".[2] [17]After Stern's death in 1942, the new leadership of Lehi began to move it towards support of Joseph Stalin's Soviet Union.[1] In 1944 Lehi officially declared its support for National Bolshevism.[6


Lehi and the Irgun were jointly responsible for the massacre in Deir Yassin.

Lehi assassinated Lord Moyne, British Minister Resident in the Middle East, and made many other attacks on the British in Palestine.[19] On May 29, 1948, the government of Israel, having inducted its activist members into the Tzahal, formally disbanded Lehi, though some of its members carried out one more terrorist act, the assassination of Folke Bernadotte some months later,[20] an act condemned by Bernadotte's replacement as mediator, Ralph Bunche.[21] Israel granted a general amnesty to Lehi members on 14 February 1949. In 1980, Israel instituted a military decoration in "award for activity in the struggle for the establishment of Israel," the Lehi ribbon.[22
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)


You can not trust a Zionist Jew, and note how they wanted to fight for Hitler against the British. Unreal. And we're to believe the holocaust was as stated. Hitler was an angel compared to the Zionist Jews born of the devil himself.

AND............................ does not make them the leaders of the Jews or their actions official Jewish policy. In light of the evidence how far can you trust a Palestinian when they are so devious as to breach agreements before the ink is dry.

I don't read this stuff from Muslims writings. The recent beheadings, which are most likely propaganda. But there is a long history of bombings with Israel. Even the American Embassy Bombing in Egypt that didn't turn out, but firstly blamed on Egypt. I don't think anything has changed but if anything it has got worst.

I disagree, I think it is, they turned into the IDF in 1948, and
they are known for the first truck bombers, and sending explosives in the mail.

On 12 January 1947, Lehi members drove a truckload of explosives into a British police station in Haifa killing four and injuring 140, in what has been called 'the world's first true truck bomb'.[

On 15 April 1947 a bomb consisting of twenty-four sticks of explosives was planted in the Colonial Office, Whitehall. It failed to explode due to a fault in the timer. Five weeks later, on 22 May, five alleged Lehi members were arrested in Paris with bomb making material including explosives of the same type as found in London. On 2 June, two Lehi members, Betty Knouth and Yaacov Levstien, were arrested crossing from Belgium to France.

Envelopes addressed to British officials, with detonators, batteries and a time fuse were found in one of Knouth's suitcases. Knouth was sentenced to a year in prison, Levstien to eight months. The British Security Services identified Knouth as the person who planted the bomb in the Colonial Office. Shortly after their arrest, 21 letter bombs were intercepted addressed to senior British figures.

Now how about links to these events that are truly non partisan and are not traceable back to ISLAMONAZI sources. Because the link is not Islamic does not mean the source isn't. How many times have we seen links to Haaretz or the Jewish post only to find the source is "from a paletinian doctor" or "from a hamas official"

 

[P F Tinmore]

Have done constantly and provided the evidence to show that you are full of shit. Yet still you spout the same ISLAMONAZI rubbish as if it was undeniable fact. The LoN accepted and agreed to include The Jewish Agency in any negotiations, this passed on to the UN when they took over the power of mandate.

Your blabber refutes my issues?

No the facts and evidence from unbiased sources does, like the Lon and their mandates and the many treaties signed after WW1.

Now once again who says the Jews were not legal immigrants invited to settle in Palestine and resurrect THE NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS by the land legal owners ?

Post some proof that I am incorrect.

 

[Penelope]

By the question of who came first, Jews came first, Jews always been here, and the Pals are just a temporarily guests [MENTION=50023]Penelope[/MENTION] have you read Prophet Yehezkel's Prophecy? 'We will gather from all nations to Israel, nobody would move us no matter how hard they'll try..we'll be called thieves in our own home..' And this is only one of the smallest signs by the way.

Which chapter and verse are you referring to? I think this already happened, and once again you could not keep the temple or the land. King Cyrus came after Ezekiel who wrote while in exile in Babylon.

According to scholar R. N. Whybray, the author of Deutero-Isaiah (chapters 40-55) was mistaken for he thought that Cyrus would destroy Babylon but he did not. Cyrus made it more splendid than ever. But he did allow the Jewish exiles to return home, though not in the triumphant manner which Deutero-Isaiah expected.[11]


Who roused from the east him that victory hails at every step? Who presents him with nations, subdues kings to him? His sword makes dust of them and his bow scatters them like straw. He pursues them and advances unhindered, his feet scarcely touching the road. Who is the author of this deed if not he who calls the generations from the beginning? I, the Lord, who am the first and shall be with the last. (Isaiah 41:2-4)
Then the alliance between Cyrus and God is made explicit:
Thus says the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whom he has taken by his right hand to subdue nations before him and strip the loins of kings, to force gateways before him that their gates be closed no more: I will go before you levelling the heights. I will shatter the bronze gateways, smash the iron bars. I will give you the hidden treasures, the secret hoards, that you may know that I am the Lord. (Isaiah 45:1-3)
Among the classical Jewish sources, besides the Bible, Josephus (1st century AD) mentions that Cyrus freed the Jews from captivity and helped rebuild the temple.

 

[Penelope]

AND............................ does not make them the leaders of the Jews or their actions official Jewish policy. In light of the evidence how far can you trust a Palestinian when they are so devious as to breach agreements before the ink is dry.

I don't read this stuff from Muslims writings. The recent beheadings, which are most likely propaganda. But there is a long history of bombings with Israel. Even the American Embassy Bombing in Egypt that didn't turn out, but firstly blamed on Egypt. I don't think anything has changed but if anything it has got worst.

I disagree, I think it is, they turned into the IDF in 1948, and
they are known for the first truck bombers, and sending explosives in the mail.

On 12 January 1947, Lehi members drove a truckload of explosives into a British police station in Haifa killing four and injuring 140, in what has been called 'the world's first true truck bomb'.[

On 15 April 1947 a bomb consisting of twenty-four sticks of explosives was planted in the Colonial Office, Whitehall. It failed to explode due to a fault in the timer. Five weeks later, on 22 May, five alleged Lehi members were arrested in Paris with bomb making material including explosives of the same type as found in London. On 2 June, two Lehi members, Betty Knouth and Yaacov Levstien, were arrested crossing from Belgium to France.

Envelopes addressed to British officials, with detonators, batteries and a time fuse were found in one of Knouth's suitcases. Knouth was sentenced to a year in prison, Levstien to eight months. The British Security Services identified Knouth as the person who planted the bomb in the Colonial Office. Shortly after their arrest, 21 letter bombs were intercepted addressed to senior British figures.

Now how about links to these events that are truly non partisan and are not traceable back to ISLAMONAZI sources. Because the link is not Islamic does not mean the source isn't. How many times have we seen links to Haaretz or the Jewish post only to find the source is "from a paletinian doctor" or "from a hamas official"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group) )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group) The links do not work, go down in the link to Did you mean: Lehi (group) and click.

 

[bernard b carman]

"Both religions have taught their adherents to kill the other."

land disputes aside, certainly, every collective has at some point promoted violence toward another collective — nothing is new under the sun.

however, when comparing Judaism to Islam, only one of these promotes the mandate to murder another individual who does not accept their God, according to their sacred texts.

for example, radical Jews are not going around murdering Christians simply for having a different faith; radical Muslims cannot claim likewise. further, radical Jews do not violate the natural rights of women, as do the radical Muslims.

if one cannot objectivity see the drastic difference between these two religions, then one certainly isn't looking.

 

[Grendelyn]

Just some food for thought.

TO WHOM DOES THE LAND OF ISRAEL BELONG??

An ingenious example of speech and politics occurred recently in the United Nations Assembly.

A representative from Israel began:

'Before beginning my talk I want to tell you something about Moses.
When he struck the rock and it brought forth water, he thought, "What a good opportunity to have a bath!"

Moses removed his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the water.
When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished.
A Palestinian had stolen them!

The Palestinian representative at the UN jumped up furiously and shouted,
"What are you talking about? The Palestinians weren't there then."

The Israeli representative smiled and said:
"And now that we have made that clear, I will begin my speech."


The land stolen by Israelites that is now called Palestine by Muslims and Israel by Jews belongs to the Canaanites (and their descendants), whom Muslims procreated with. Clearly, Muslims hold the better title to this land having married with Canaanites. ~ Susan


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[Indeependent]

Yawn...