To those of you that hate ICE...

[JoeB131]

Nobody doxxes cops. At least, not yet.

Exactly my point. No one HAS to. Why? Because Cops are held accountable to a chain of command. Not perfect, mind you, we have too many cases of cops killing black people without consequences, but we know who they are and they are held accountable.

As opposed to the ICESTAPO rounding up people in the streets.

If they're here illegally, yes. But you are perfectly fine with innocent Jews being slaughtered because you think they deserved it.

Again, they picked the fight, they need to deal with the consequences. But again, Rabbit Hole.

By the way, I broached the Sandmann tangent here

Yes, you are always bringing this little douchebag up. Not sure what your obsession with him is. But again, Rabbit Hole.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

I find the word "Anti-Semite" to be amusing, given that the Arabs are also a Semitic people, and haven't had centuries of interbreeding with white people in Europe like the Ashkenazim have had.

First, let me say: Off topic, rabbit hole. You know, the very thing you just bitched about and as a matter of fact, used by you to avoid elaboration, citation or proof. Every time I press you to support your claims you start doing this.

Having said that, nobody cares about that. It's understood in certain contexts that it means anti-Jew. That's what you are even if you're not, strictly speaking, an anti-Semite. So take your pick.

So you have two sides in a conflict

One side is defending their homes against invaders.

The other side is committing genocide because a magic sky fairy promised them someone else's land in a book of Bronze Age Fairy Tales.

Aren't Muslims acting on behalf of that very same "sky fairy"?

Yes, I don't feel a lot of sympathy for people when they suffer backlash from a problem they caused.

But "Even the Wicked get worse than they deserve."

Every conversation with a Zionist goes like this,

"Why are they killing us?"

"Because you stole their land, destroyed their homes, and killed their children!"

"Blood Libel!!! Anti-Semite!!! You're Just like Hitler!"

Every conversation with an anti-Semite goes like this:

"Why are radical Muslims slaughtering innocent Jews?"

"Because they deserved it."

"But the innocent Jews are innocent."

"Doesn't matter, they're Jews."

There's no reasoning with these people and I don't even try.

The Zionist is like an abused child who grew up to be a serial killer.

What the **** would you know about reasoning? You refuse to reason every time you're asked to do so, i.e., answer questions about your claims or cite evidence. You've avoided every single attempt on my part to get you to explain, elaborate or give evidence in this discussion.

Talk about acting like a child.

 

[JoeB131]

Having said that, nobody cares about that. It's understood in certain contexts that it means anti-Jew. That's what you are even if you're not, strictly speaking, an anti-Semite. So take your pick.

Well, no, the use of the term itself is deceiving. Using the term "anti-Semite" vs. "anti-Zionist" means you are making it about race and not politics.

Nobody has an issue with their "race". We have an issue with the policies they engage in AND make us a party to because of the stranglehold they have on our politics. It's why they shit themselves when "The Squad" has a whopping four members. It's why they go into hysterics when they see kids on college campuses protesting genocide.

The old, "You're just like Hitler" shit isn't flying anymore.

Anyway, Rabbit hole.

Aren't Muslims acting on behalf of that very same "sky fairy"?

Probably, which makes the whole thing even sillier.
But again- Rabbit hole.

Every conversation with an anti-Semite goes like this:

"Why are radical Muslims slaughtering innocent Jews?"

"Because they deserved it."

"But the innocent Jews are innocent."

"Doesn't matter, they're Jews."

Never heard a critic of Israel say anything of the sort.

What the **** would you know about reasoning? You refuse to reason every time you're asked to do so, i.e., answer questions about your claims or cite evidence. You've avoided every single attempt on my part to get you to explain, elaborate or give evidence in this discussion.

I learned a long time ago, when someone asks me for links, sources or citations, they are just wasting my time.

Never have I had a poster say in response to a link, "Wow, You provided me with context I was not aware of, I've changed my mind!"

So I WILL do a link if I find something particularly interesting. But I won't do one because you are too lazy to do your own google search.

 

[Zavulon]

What I know is that a country can not survive with open borders...

Technically, there are countries with absolutely open borders, like Vatican. But yes, I got your idea. Russia has open border with Belarus (but in fact, Belarus is Russian Idaho). Americans may decide that they need an open border with Mexico. May be not.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Why do I get the feeling the latter is the source of all your bitterness, Lisa?


Where do I hate Americans?

11 years in the Army.

What did you do?

I just think our immigration policy is beyond stupid. My dad was an immigrant and my wife is an immigrant, so when I hear some POS like you bash immigrants, I get a little irate.

You're being dishonest. As always.

Israel has murdered 60,000 Palestinians so far. That's why they are murdering you back.

You're being dishonest. As always.

The good Samaritan choked a man to death.

You're being dishonest. As always.

Um, no, pointing out a Genocide isn't the same as using a racist logo. I've seen some TRULY vicious memes about Jews on line, which I would never share. When clowns like Grau deny the Holocaust happened, I call them on it.

Liar. You lament the FAILURE of the Final Solution.

I don't think religion, per se, is his problem. It is but it only goes so far. I say that because he's been excusing or justifying the terrorist acts of radical Muslims.

He will defend anyone as long as they kill Jews.

By "decent", you mean "White". It would be SOOO much more honest if you said the quiet part out loud.

No Joey, that's you.

Now, when I was in college, and was a Young Republican (this was before the GOP completely became a cult) there was this very liberal Jew I knew from Student government. And back then, South Africa was all the rage. So this schmuck was going on and on in front of the black students about how awful Apartheid was.

To which I countered, "How is that any different from what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians?"

"Humananananananana!!!" He shut the **** up really fast. it was truly amusing to watch.

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure you did, Joey.

No, actually. I'm kind of indifferent to government. What amazes me is how the right wing uses religion to get stupid people to vote against their own economic interests.

You're lying again. You WORSHIP The State, with religious fervor. You will excuse ANY action by The State, as long as it's not your ox getting gored.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Wrong. They wear masks so they won't get doxxed, which has already happened.

Joey WANTS that. He is totally in favor of his opponents' children being murdered.

Exactly my point. No one HAS to. Why? Because Cops are held accountable to a chain of command. Not perfect, mind you, we have too many cases of cops killing black people without consequences, but we know who they are and they are held accountable.

Joey, just stop. You're 100% fine with cops perjuring themselves and murdering people, as long as it's not affecting you.

 

[Dagoth-Ur]

How?

Irs anecdote evidence, that’s a fallacy,

 

[Jarlaxle]

You have nothing on which to claim he's a douchebag. All you have is a picture with no context which makes you the douchebag.



But he didn't disrespect a veteran. This has also been explained to you a hundred times.

First, Phillips approached him, not the other way around. Second, Sandmann had no way of knowing Phillips was a veteran and you ******* well know that.

Joey can outlast ANYONE. His entire LIFE is defecating on this site.

But the killing of Palestinians does not speak for itself? You have quite a lot to say on that score but you can't speak for the mass shooting of Jews who had nothing to do with the killing of Palestinians?

You're rather selective as to what speaks for itself and what does not. I believe that's called hypocrisy.

That is Joey's SPECIALTY. Hypocrisy, selective reading, false outrage, and filibustering.

I find it amusing you entirely overlook the fact that the Jews killed at Bondi Beach and all the other Jews being murdered, harassed and assaulted since 10/7 had nothing to do with actions by the state of Israel.

This issue is only about numbers to morons who refuse to look past them at the deeper meaning and the deeper meaning is anti-Semitism. The fifteen innocent people slaughtered at Bondi Beach were guilty of nothing more than being Jews. That's the real issue here that you choose to ignore.

he's not ignoring it. Joey supports it. He laments the failure of the Final Solution.

Nothing to say about your bringing up Sandmann's and his school mates' Catholicism again and again over the last six years?

For the record, this is not about Sandmann the individual; it could have been anybody and I would say the same thing. This is about how the left built an entire false narrative around a teenager simply because he smiled at someone while wearing a MAGA hat.

Joey does not care. Joey has decided that Sandmann is In The Wrong, and there is NOTHING that will get him to change his mind. Joey would likely celebrake Sandmann's murder.

You mean other than his behavior?


Most of the civilians being killed in Gaza aren't members of Hamas, but they are being murdered anyway.

The Zionists made this a war of religions; they can't come back and whine to me about it when some of their team get killed.

**** me running, you're an idiot.

Bullshit. Israel exists because of the Jewish lobbies in the West keeping it afloat. While terrorism is unacceptable, so is genocide.

You're lying. You SUPPORT genocide.

I would prefer if we ended Israel's behavior through peaceful means- Divestment, Sanctions, etc. This is how they ended Apartheid in South Africa. (A sad day for you, I'm sure.)

Liar. You dream of ending Israel through the eradication of all the Jews there.

Still living in your head rent free.

You are a nasty racist person who plays the victim card. No one buys it.

The irony could be cut with a chainsaw.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Exactly my point. No one HAS to. Why? Because Cops are held accountable to a chain of command. Not perfect, mind you, we have too many cases of cops killing black people without consequences, but we know who they are and they are held accountable.

Actually, I was incorrect. I did a Google search on doxxing cops and it has happened already.

That said, no one HAS to dox anybody; it is a choice. One with potentially deadly consequences.

As opposed to the ICESTAPO rounding up people in the streets.

You mean illegal immigrants? Great.

Again, they picked the fight, they need to deal with the consequences. But again, Rabbit Hole.

The Jews at Bondi Beach picked a fight with no one. So who are you referring to?

Yes, you are always bringing this little douchebag up. Not sure what your obsession with him is. But again, Rabbit Hole.

Not sure why you keep avoiding the facts of the incident but, that's your own rabbit hole.

 

[JoeB131]

You mean illegal immigrants? Great.

And if they round up some legal immigrants and citizens in the process, so be it, right? Because there are too many brown people in America for your liking.
Racist ****.

The Jews at Bondi Beach picked a fight with no one. So who are you referring to?

The women and children of Gaza (unlike the Zionist fanatics at Bondi Beach) picked a fight with no one.

Not sure why you keep avoiding the facts of the incident but, that's your own rabbit hole.

Nope. He was a little douchebag.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Well, no, the use of the term itself is deceiving. Using the term "anti-Semite" vs. "anti-Zionist" means you are making it about race and not politics.

So call yourself anti-Jew. Who gives a shit?

Nobody has an issue with their "race". We have an issue with the policies they engage in AND make us a party to because of the stranglehold they have on our politics.

Like who, the Bondi Beach victims? You're saying they had a hand in making policy in America and the stranglehold on our politics?

It's why they shit themselves when "The Squad" has a whopping four members. It's why they go into hysterics when they see kids on college campuses protesting genocide.

YOU have an issue with Jews whether you call them a race or not. That's bigotry. There's no other word for it. I don't say that lightly like the way you throw out "racist" any time someone disagrees with you (you and IM2 are a lot alike in that regard).

So why do I say you're anti-Jew? Because you yammer on about Israel's actions and that terror attacks are a natural result of that but you conflate that to include all Jews, most of whom don't even live in Israel and have no part in Israel's dealings and actions. This is exactly the way the terrorists think and is why they slaughter them.

Innocent Jews are being harassed, assaulted and murdered because, like you, the ******* bigots don't see the obvious distinction between Israel and Jews in general. The Bondi Beach victims were many times removed from the war in Gaza, have no part in dictating American policy or engaging in anything JoeB or terrorists find disagreeable. But the only thing you have to say about the bloody slaughter of fifteen innocent people is: "It speaks for itself".

The old, "You're just like Hitler" shit isn't flying anymore.

We've been telling democrats and liberals that for over ten years.

Anyway, Rabbit hole.

It's your rabbit hole.

Probably, which makes the whole thing even sillier.
But again- Rabbit hole.

Are you telling me you don't know that Islam and Judaism share the same deity which is the God of Abraham? Christianity, Islam and Judaism are collectively called the Abrahamic religions because they all stem from the same central figure of Abraham which, in Judaism, is a main figure in the Torah.

Either you didn't know this which makes you probably the most ignorant person on the board or you do know but you didn't stop to think that your pet victims - Muslims - fall under the very same epithet "Sky Fairy" that you often use as an insult.

Never heard a critic of Israel say anything of the sort.

Neither have I. However, I've heard anti-Semites such as yourself imply just that.

I don't know if you've been getting what I've been saying since 10/7 but I think it is hateful, bigoted and illogical to target Jews for the actions of Israel. That is exactly what's happening and bigots like yourself either support it vocally or condone it with silence or simply shrug and say "Oh well, they had it coming.".

You actually believe that Jews slaughtered in Australia has something to do with Israel and/or American policy. If you do, you're an idiot.

I learned a long time ago, when someone asks me for links, sources or citations, they are just wasting my time.

Never have I had a poster say in response to a link, "Wow, You provided me with context I was not aware of, I've changed my mind!"

So I WILL do a link if I find something particularly interesting. But I won't do one because you are too lazy to do your own google search.

Providing links is only a small part of it. You refuse to even answer questions for clarification or explanation of your views. If you do you cherry pick quotes from Wikipedia as you did with the exchange about the perpetrator of the Nice attack.
You refuse to acknowledge things like the BHIs instigating the exchange in D.C., calling the boys "crackers" and taunting them, or that Sandmann did not actually participate in the exchange.

You refuse to acknowledge the fact that Phillips approached Sandmann and got in his face.

You refuse to acknowledge the fact that Sandmann could not know Phillips was a veteran and did not disrespect him in any case.

You refuse to acknowledge that Sandmann's stand on abortion is irrelevant to the incident.

You refuse to answer the question as to why you think the sect at Bondi Beach is particularly fanatical.

You refuse to even answer the question whether or not this had anything to with their slaughter (by refusing to answer that question you tacitly acknowledge they were only killed because they're Jews).

I could go on but you get the picture: you will avoid addressing or acknowledging any detail or factor that will only serve to complicate your prejudices and bigotries and you can't have that. You must keep them close and simple because you've invested too much time and energy nurturing them to consider fairness and objectivity in determining innocence or guilt at this point

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

And if they round up some legal immigrants and citizens in the process, so be it, right? Because there are too many brown people in America for your liking.

Once citizenship or legal status is determined, they are allowed to go back home.

Racist ****.

That's rich coming from someone who hates Jews.

The women and children of Gaza (unlike the Zionist fanatics at Bondi Beach) picked a fight with no one.

Deflection. You didn't answer the question: The Jews at Bondi Beach picked a fight with no one. So who are you referring to?

Nope. He was a little douchebag.

Your opinion of Sandmann is irrelevant. You're still avoiding facts, dumbass.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh shit, he's gone completely nutty.

So call yourself anti-Jew. Who gives a shit?

Nope. Anti-Zionist. big difference.

Like who, the Bondi Beach victims? You're saying they had a hand in making policy in America and the stranglehold on our politics?

Yup. The faction they belonged to was especially Zionistic.

Innocent Jews are being harassed, assaulted and murdered because, like you, the ******* bigots don't see the obvious distinction between Israel and Jews in general. The Bondi Beach victims were many times removed from the war in Gaza, have no part in dictating American policy or engaging in anything JoeB or terrorists find disagreeable. But the only thing you have to say about the bloody slaughter of fifteen innocent people is: "It speaks for itself".

Innocent Arabs are being killed as well, and not just in Gaza. Since 1948, the Zionist Entity has attacked Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, and Qatar. You can't ***** when they "internationalnize" the infatada, but the Muslims do.

Neither have I. However, I've heard anti-Semites such as yourself imply just that.

Nothing was "implied". You "infer" something ,that's on you.

I don't know if you've been getting what I've been saying since 10/7 but I think it is hateful, bigoted and illogical to target Jews for the actions of Israel. That is exactly what's happening and bigots like yourself either support it vocally or condone it with silence or simply shrug and say "Oh well, they had it coming.".

Again, see above. Israel hasn't restricted their aggression to the borders of Israel and the occupied territories.

You actually believe that Jews slaughtered in Australia has something to do with Israel and/or American policy. If you do, you're an idiot.

Israel only exists because of the political influence of Zionists living outside of Israel. If it didn't, Israel's apartheid would be dispensed with as quickly as South Africa's was.

Providing links is only a small part of it. You refuse to even answer questions for clarification or explanation of your views.

And I'm under no obligation to.

You refuse to acknowledge things like the BHIs instigating the exchange in D.C., calling the boys "crackers" and taunting them, or that Sandmann did not actually participate in the exchange.

Nope. They were a bunch of LCB's being misogynist, racist twats. And they got whiny when they got caught on National TV doing it.

 

[JoeB131]

Once citizenship or legal status is determined, they are allowed to go back home.

Um, wow? really? besides the fact some of these people are often held for months because the government can't admit they made mistakes, the idea of rounding up people for no other reason than being the wrong skin color should be anethma to decent Americans.

Innocent until proven guilty. Not "Guilty until proven innocent because you are the wrong skin tone."

That's rich coming from someone who hates Jews.

Religion isn't race.

I'm critical of religion, not race. Religion is a choice. If you choose to believe in stupid stuff, that's on you.

Deflection. You didn't answer the question: The Jews at Bondi Beach picked a fight with no one. So who are you referring to?

Again, they are a bunch of fanatics.. that's why they were targeted. The fight got picked when Jews decided to colonize Palestine.

 

[Lockback]

Just why do you think that is? Could it be because many have been given "free" stuff and don't feel the need to work hard? It is pretty ironic that in National Parks they tell you not to feed the wild animals because they will stop hunting or foraging and yet the same government talks about 40+ million people being on SNAP and even more if we add other assistance programs. We are animals too and the same "take the easy route" applies. Maybe we should take the National Park's advice when it comes to humans? Many immigrants that come into this country have not had the luxury of federal assistance programs which is exactly why they are willing to work so hard. It is amazing what people will do to eat. Like I have said many times, Americans are spoiled and none more than those that don't have to work for their sustenance.

Sheer brilliance right there.

 

[j-mac]

Technically, there are countries with absolutely open borders, like Vatican. But yes, I got your idea. Russia has open border with Belarus (but in fact, Belarus is Russian Idaho). Americans may decide that they need an open border with Mexico. May be not.

That'd be a resounding no.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Oh shit, he's gone completely nutty.


Nope. Anti-Zionist. big difference.

Nope. I told you I admire Hispanics and I feel pride when people come here legally and do the work to become citizens and that my only concern is illegals. But you persist with the puerile "brown people" tack anyway. So I'm returning the same lack of consideration.

Yup. The faction they belonged to was especially Zionistic.

That's not what I asked. I asked if the Bondi Beach victims had a hand in making policy in America and the stranglehold on our politics. Did they?

Innocent Arabs are being killed as well, and not just in Gaza. Since 1948, the Zionist Entity has attacked Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, and Qatar. You can't ***** when they "internationalnize" the infatada, but the Muslims do.

Irrelevant you ignorant ****. I'm talking about Jews being murdered that had nothing to do with any of that.

Nothing was "implied". You "infer" something ,that's on you.

In response to a question as to whether or not the Bondi Beach Jewish victims had anything to do with American policy or the stranglehold on our politics, you immediately went to "They were Zionists", which doesn't answer the question or prove anything.

I understand you have a problem with Zionism but you insist on including all Jews in your hate. Even if you hate Zionists for their views that doesn't mean all Zionists are responsible for Israel's actions or are involved with American policies or politics. Certainly none of them deserve murder for their views.

Again, see above. Israel hasn't restricted their aggression to the borders of Israel and the occupied territories.

I don't give a shit. I'm talking about Jews being harassed and murdered for no other reason than being Jews. You're just bitching about Israel and Zionism.

Israel only exists because of the political influence of Zionists living outside of Israel. If it didn't, Israel's apartheid would be dispensed with as quickly as South Africa's was.

What the **** does any of that have to do with the Jews being murdered in Australia?

And I'm under no obligation to.

No. But it does mean you're intellectually dishonest. It also means that most of your opinions and arguments do not stem from circumspection or objectivity.

Nope. They were a bunch of LCB's being misogynist, racist twats. And they got whiny when they got caught on National TV doing it.

I notice you don't actually dispute that the BHIs instigated the exchange. Do you dispute this?

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Um, wow? really? besides the fact some of these people are often held for months because the government can't admit they made mistakes, the idea of rounding up people for no other reason than being the wrong skin color should be anethma to decent Americans.

If you're brown and here illegally, well, that can't be helped.

Innocent until proven guilty. Not "Guilty until proven innocent because you are the wrong skin tone."

Okay, let's run with that: Were the Bondi Beach victims innocent?

Religion isn't race.

Didn't say it was. I said you hate Jews.

I'm critical of religion, not race. Religion is a choice. If you choose to believe in stupid stuff, that's on you.

You mean stupid stuff like believing the Bondi Beach victims had a hand in American politics?

Again, they are a bunch of fanatics.. that's why they were targeted. The fight got picked when Jews decided to colonize Palestine.

Still haven't answered the question so let me ask another: Did the Bondi victims pick a fight with someone? If so, with who and did they deserve to die for it?

 

[JoeB131]

Nope. I told you I admire Hispanics and I feel pride when people come here legally and do the work to become citizens and that my only concern is illegals. But you persist with the puerile "brown people" tack anyway. So I'm returning the same lack of consideration.

But you are perfectly fine with the ICEstapo rounding up brown people and having them prove they are legal.

That's not what I asked.

Nobody cared.

I asked if the Bondi Beach victims had a hand in making policy in America and the stranglehold on our politics. Did they?

No more than Gazan Children have anything to do with Hamas.

In response to a question as to whether or not the Bondi Beach Jewish victims had anything to do with American policy or the stranglehold on our politics, you immediately went to "They were Zionists", which doesn't answer the question or prove anything.

I understand you have a problem with Zionism but you insist on including all Jews in your hate. Even if you hate Zionists for their views that doesn't mean all Zionists are responsible for Israel's actions or are involved with American policies or politics. Certainly none of them deserve murder for their views.

I didn't shoot anyone on a beach.

I notice you don't actually dispute that the BHIs instigated the exchange. Do you dispute this?

Nope, I just get tired of repeating myself. These LCBs shouldn't have taunted anyone.

If you're brown and here illegally, well, that can't be helped.

And if your brown and here legally, well, the ICEstapo will still pick you up.

Didn't say it was. I said you hate Jews.

No m ore than I hate anyone else who uses religion as an excuse to be an asshole.

Did the Bondi victims pick a fight with someone? If so, with who and did they deserve to die for it?

yes, they picked a fight by supporting Zionism. No, they didn't deserve to die, but neither does a small Palestinian child who got a hospital dropped on him.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

But you are perfectly fine with the ICEstapo rounding up brown people and having them prove they are legal.

If you're trying to equate this with innocent people being slaughtered for their religion then there's just no accounting for your level of stupidity.

Nobody cared.

Then why did you respond at all you ******* nimrod?

No more than Gazan Children have anything to do with Hamas.

The difference here is that I've never tried to justify or excuse Israel's actions and in fact I never said a word about it. Whereas you've justified the slaughter of Jews with "They were Zionists" or "They picked a fight.". When I inquire as to who the victims picked a fight with all you can tell me is, they were Zionists.

I didn't shoot anyone on a beach.

Nobody suggested you did, dumbass.

Nope, I just get tired of repeating myself.

The questions I've asked you don't require you to keep repeating yourself. Simply say "I am aware the BHIs instigated the taunting" or "I don't agree they did" or "I don't agree Phillips got in Sandmann's face" or whatever. As it is, it looks like what it is: dancing around the truth.

I think you're aware of these facts but you don't care and you dance around so they won't know you don't care.

These LCBs shouldn't have taunted anyone.

Should the BHIs have taunted anyone?

And if your brown and here legally, well, the ICEstapo will still pick you up.

And send you back home. Whereas if you're a Jew and innocent and maybe not even a Zionist, well, you won't be going back home, you'll be going straight to a pine box.

No m ore than I hate anyone else who uses religion as an excuse to be an asshole.

You use hatred of religion and Catholicism to be an asshole, so what's the difference?

yes, they picked a fight by supporting Zionism.

So merely adhering to an idea gets you killed? Are you okay with this? I know you wouldn't be okay if Catholics were doing it.

No, they didn't deserve to die, but neither does a small Palestinian child who got a hospital dropped on him.

Correct.