To Conservatives: What drives the economy?

[Redfish]

That does not preclude the need for massive tax reform. If we could get the politics and the special interests out of the process, I'm sure there could be bi-partisan support for tax reform.

The process is one of argument compromise and agreement. Are the House Republicans up for some actual governance? Or are they simply the Party of No!?

the GOP led house has passed dozens of tax reform bills, budget bills, jobs bills--------------the idiot Harry Reid has not let a single one be discussed or voted on in the senate.

Reid and Obama are the problem-------------face reality

Anyone ever notice how a person like the above who is ate up with Obama Derangement Syndrome, never, ever accepts responsibility for what they have or haven't done?

It's all Harrys fault, It's all Obama's fault.

Fortunately the Repubs won't win the WH in my remaining life so they won't get to blame Obama for their next failed Presidency. But they would have if they could have.

It is a fact that Reid has not any house-passed tax reform, budget, or jobs bills reach the floor of the senate for a vote. That is simply stating a fact. Is he afraid one might pass the senate and then obama would have to sign it or veto it? Why are they afraid of a senate vote?

The GOP will win the white house in 2016, the GOP will control the senate and house in 2015. Obama has failed, liberalism has failed. The american people know it and are fed up.

BTW, obama is responsible for what happens during his reign, as are all presidents.

 

[Mac1958]

BWAHAHAHAHA! You're serious? You actually believe the profit motive isn't necessary?

With that claim you destroyed any kind of meagre credibility you may have had. Only a Marxist would claim the profit motive isn't necessary.

You'll notice the hardcore Left has changed and become bolder since Obama's election. They're more and more willing now to take capitalism and "free" markets head on, and to espouse the virtues of a central authority more and more. This is what we were promised - change, fundamental transformation, the re-making of America. Obama was more than clear about this, and I suspect the hard Left knew that those phrases were far more than empty campaign slogans.

Frankly, I'm glad to see them a little more honest about their intentions. It's very possible that I'll get some shit about this, because the hardcore leftwing partisan ideologues here are still a little uncomfortable with coming out like this. No doubt they're still accustomed to denying what they're really after - an authoritarian Euro-social democracy.

Let them lie and deny. Others on the Left are being more honest. For a change.

.

 

[zeke]

BWAHAHAHAHA! You're serious? You actually believe the profit motive isn't necessary?

With that claim you destroyed any kind of meagre credibility you may have had. Only a Marxist would claim the profit motive isn't necessary.

You'll notice the hardcore Left has changed and become bolder since Obama's election. They're more and more willing now to take capitalism and "free" markets head on, and to espouse the virtues of a central authority more and more. This is what we were promised - change, fundamental transformation, the re-making of America. Obama was more than clear about this, and I suspect the hard Left knew that those phrases were far more than empty campaign slogans.

Frankly, I'm glad to see them a little more honest about their intentions. It's very possible that I'll get some shit about this, because the hardcore leftwing partisan ideologues here are still a little uncomfortable with coming out like this. No doubt they're still accustomed to denying what they're really after - an authoritarian Euro-social democracy.

Let them lie and deny. Others on the Left are being more honest. For a change.

.

Watch out Mac. I heard over the left wing grape vine that the hated Democrats have targeted you for confiscation of your wealth.

And they are gonna give it to me and the Lone Laugher. We'll spit it up and buy a beer. Thanks a lot.

 

[LoneLaugher]

BWAHAHAHAHA! You're serious? You actually believe the profit motive isn't necessary?

With that claim you destroyed any kind of meagre credibility you may have had. Only a Marxist would claim the profit motive isn't necessary.

You'll notice the hardcore Left has changed and become bolder since Obama's election. They're more and more willing now to take capitalism and "free" markets head on, and to espouse the virtues of a central authority more and more. This is what we were promised - change, fundamental transformation, the re-making of America. Obama was more than clear about this, and I suspect the hard Left knew that those phrases were far more than empty campaign slogans.

Frankly, I'm glad to see them a little more honest about their intentions. It's very possible that I'll get some shit about this, because the hardcore leftwing partisan ideologues here are still a little uncomfortable with coming out like this. No doubt they're still accustomed to denying what they're really after - an authoritarian Euro-social democracy.

Let them lie and deny. Others on the Left are being more honest. For a change.

.

Watch out Mac. I heard over the left wing grape vine that the hated Democrats have targeted you for confiscation of your wealth.

And they are gonna give it to me and the Lone Laugher. We'll spit it up and buy a beer. Thanks a lot.

Can't wait! Gimme, gimme, gimme!

 

[zeke]

the GOP led house has passed dozens of tax reform bills, budget bills, jobs bills--------------the idiot Harry Reid has not let a single one be discussed or voted on in the senate.

Reid and Obama are the problem-------------face reality

Anyone ever notice how a person like the above who is ate up with Obama Derangement Syndrome, never, ever accepts responsibility for what they have or haven't done?

It's all Harrys fault, It's all Obama's fault.

Fortunately the Repubs won't win the WH in my remaining life so they won't get to blame Obama for their next failed Presidency. But they would have if they could have.

It is a fact that Reid has not any house-passed tax reform, budget, or jobs bills reach the floor of the senate for a vote. That is simply stating a fact. Is he afraid one might pass the senate and then obama would have to sign it or veto it? Why are they afraid of a senate vote?

The GOP will win the white house in 2016, the GOP will control the senate and house in 2015. Obama has failed, liberalism has failed. The american people know it and are fed up.

BTW, obama is responsible for what happens during his reign, as are all presidents.

It's a fact that every piece of proposed legislation from the House has some sort of poison pill contained in the proposal and the Repubs in the House KNOW that Harry isn't gonna bring it up. Because of the stupidity contained in the Repub proposal.

To bad that you are so stupid that YOU believe that Repubs have your interest in mind.
At least Harry knows the truth. Repubs are just posturing for people like you. So you can blame anyone else for Repub failures, except Repubs.

Amazingly, it works every time on people like you. It's Harrys fault. It's Obama's fault. Isn't that what you just said? See, it's working.

 

[dannyboys]

Stupid LIB nitt witts.
So raise the minimum wage to $15.00
Watch how fast McDonalds raises the cost of their burgers to be able to stay in business. Their suppliers are now having to pay their employees the same $15.00 an hour so they raise their prices to McDonalds.
The profit margins on most businesses now barely surviving are in the low single digits.
Then the family of four with daddy now raking in $15.00 an hour goes to McDonalds to buy dinner and the bill that used to be $20.00 is now $30.00.
When is the next time that family will go to McDonalds? Never?
So business drops and McDonalds lays off a third of their employees and the rest become basically working slaves who are shit scared of losing their job so they won't dare complain if the working conditions aren't right.
Lose-lose-lose-lose.
Typical stupid LIB POV. "Give everyone a trophy! Give everyone a raise, whether they have earned it of not".
Forget $15.00. Let's make it $20.00.
The ONLY reason the LIBs want to increase the MW is to hopefully secure the vote in 2014.
"We're looking out for you. The REPs HATE you and are trying to destroy the middle class".

 

[zeke]

You'll notice the hardcore Left has changed and become bolder since Obama's election. They're more and more willing now to take capitalism and "free" markets head on, and to espouse the virtues of a central authority more and more. This is what we were promised - change, fundamental transformation, the re-making of America. Obama was more than clear about this, and I suspect the hard Left knew that those phrases were far more than empty campaign slogans.

Frankly, I'm glad to see them a little more honest about their intentions. It's very possible that I'll get some shit about this, because the hardcore leftwing partisan ideologues here are still a little uncomfortable with coming out like this. No doubt they're still accustomed to denying what they're really after - an authoritarian Euro-social democracy.

Let them lie and deny. Others on the Left are being more honest. For a change.

.

Watch out Mac. I heard over the left wing grape vine that the hated Democrats have targeted you for confiscation of your wealth.

And they are gonna give it to me and the Lone Laugher. We'll spit it up and buy a beer. Thanks a lot.

Can't wait! Gimme, gimme, gimme!

LMAO. It's only gonna be one beer each. Unless we kick in some spare change and get a six pack.

Mac's probably hiding his real money in an off shore account that we can't touch. Damn it.

 

[Katzndogz]

A successful economy cannot be predicated on a business giving money to people who will then be able to buy the product that company makes. That's the essence of a consumer based economy. That's why they fail.

 

[zeke]

Stupid LIB nitt witts.
So raise the minimum wage to $15.00
Watch how fast McDonalds raises the cost of their burgers to be able to stay in business. Their suppliers are now having to pay their employees the same $15.00 an hour so they raise their prices to McDonalds.
The profit margins on most businesses now barely surviving are in the low single digits.
Then the family of four with daddy now raking in $15.00 an hour goes to McDonalds to buy dinner and the bill that used to be $20.00 is now $30.00.
When is the next time that family will go to McDonalds? Never?
So business drops and McDonalds lays off a third of their employees and the rest become basically working slaves who are shit scared of losing their job so they won't dare complain if the working conditions aren't right.
Lose-lose-lose-lose.
Typical stupid LIB POV. "Give everyone a trophy! Give everyone a raise, whether they have earned it of not".
Forget $15.00. Let's make it $20.00.
The ONLY reason the LIBs want to increase the MW is to hopefully secure the vote in 2014.
"We're looking out for you. The REPs HATE you and are trying to destroy the middle class".

You got ANY verifiable evidence of your right wing fantasy? Or is this just something that you "feel" would happen? ANY evidence at all?

Besides that, who ever got hurt by not eating at McDonalds?

 

[Redfish]

Anyone ever notice how a person like the above who is ate up with Obama Derangement Syndrome, never, ever accepts responsibility for what they have or haven't done?

It's all Harrys fault, It's all Obama's fault.

Fortunately the Repubs won't win the WH in my remaining life so they won't get to blame Obama for their next failed Presidency. But they would have if they could have.

It is a fact that Reid has not any house-passed tax reform, budget, or jobs bills reach the floor of the senate for a vote. That is simply stating a fact. Is he afraid one might pass the senate and then obama would have to sign it or veto it? Why are they afraid of a senate vote?

The GOP will win the white house in 2016, the GOP will control the senate and house in 2015. Obama has failed, liberalism has failed. The american people know it and are fed up.

BTW, obama is responsible for what happens during his reign, as are all presidents.

It's a fact that every piece of proposed legislation from the House has some sort of poison pill contained in the proposal and the Repubs in the House KNOW that Harry isn't gonna bring it up. Because of the stupidity contained in the Repub proposal.

To bad that you are so stupid that YOU believe that Repubs have your interest in mind.
At least Harry knows the truth. Repubs are just posturing for people like you. So you can blame anyone else for Repub failures, except Repubs.

Amazingly, it works every time on people like you. It's Harrys fault. It's Obama's fault. Isn't that what you just said? See, it's working.

Ever hear of a conference committee? Sure, no one expects the senate to accept every word in a house passed bill, thats why they set up a committee to come up with a compromise. Why hasn't Reid done that? Why hasn't obama insisted on it?

Our government only works when our representatives and president understand that their job is to pass legislation and actually manage the country's business.

Instead we have a bunch of incompent leeches and a golfer in chief. And, yes both parties are to blame, but the dems control 2/3 of the govt, so most of the blame rightly lies with them.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Watch out Mac. I heard over the left wing grape vine that the hated Democrats have targeted you for confiscation of your wealth.

And they are gonna give it to me and the Lone Laugher. We'll spit it up and buy a beer. Thanks a lot.

Can't wait! Gimme, gimme, gimme!

LMAO. It's only gonna be one beer each. Unless we kick in some spare change and get a six pack.

Mac's probably hiding his real money in an off shore account that we can't touch. Damn it.

But......if we can get all of Mac's dough.....then we can give him one of those beers so he will vote for our guys. You know....giving people free stuff is the SUREFIRE way to get their votes. Damn! This plan just might work after all.

 

[zeke]

A successful economy cannot be predicated on a business giving money to people who will then be able to buy the product that company makes. That's the essence of a consumer based economy. That's why they fail.

WTF?? You know that money that business's give out? It's called "wages". You ever earn any wages? Buy any things you need with the money you earned? That's what a consumer based economy does. And they don't "fail" unless there is no money being earned to be spent.

 

[Redfish]

A successful economy cannot be predicated on a business giving money to people who will then be able to buy the product that company makes. That's the essence of a consumer based economy. That's why they fail.

WTF?? You know that money that business's give out? It's called "wages". You ever earn any wages? Buy any things you need with the money you earned? That's what a consumer based economy does. And they don't "fail" unless there is no money being earned to be spent.

when the govt takes half of your wages------------------------------how much does that leave for you to spend in the economy?

 

[zeke]

Can't wait! Gimme, gimme, gimme!

LMAO. It's only gonna be one beer each. Unless we kick in some spare change and get a six pack.

Mac's probably hiding his real money in an off shore account that we can't touch. Damn it.

But......if we can get all of Mac's dough.....then we can give him one of those beers so he will vote for our guys. You know....giving people free stuff is the SUREFIRE way to get their votes. Damn! This plan just might work after all.

Yea.....but......Mac will still be a Republican and he will want 5 beers and make us split the sixth. I am not doing that. No beer for repubs is what I say. And I sure ain't giving any beers away, except to you. Will you vote for me if I give you Mac's beers?

 

[zeke]

A successful economy cannot be predicated on a business giving money to people who will then be able to buy the product that company makes. That's the essence of a consumer based economy. That's why they fail.

WTF?? You know that money that business's give out? It's called "wages". You ever earn any wages? Buy any things you need with the money you earned? That's what a consumer based economy does. And they don't "fail" unless there is no money being earned to be spent.

when the govt takes half of your wages------------------------------how much does that leave for you to spend in the economy?

I know that this is tough for a math challenged Republican like you but........IF the government took one half of your wages........wait for it...........it would leave you one half of your earnings to spend in the economy.

You with me on that?

 

[Katzndogz]

A successful economy cannot be predicated on a business giving money to people who will then be able to buy the product that company makes. That's the essence of a consumer based economy. That's why they fail.

WTF?? You know that money that business's give out? It's called "wages". You ever earn any wages? Buy any things you need with the money you earned? That's what a consumer based economy does. And they don't "fail" unless there is no money being earned to be spent.

Wages are the measurement of a unit of labor. Would you pay $100,000 for a Fiat? No. That's because a Fiat isn't worth $100,000. Overpaying for a unit of labor is the same thing. Raise the minimum wage above the value of the unit of labor and it won't be worth keeping that business open. Either those jobs will disappear, gobbled up by automation or the business just won't open at all.

 

[LoneLaugher]

LMAO. It's only gonna be one beer each. Unless we kick in some spare change and get a six pack.

Mac's probably hiding his real money in an off shore account that we can't touch. Damn it.

But......if we can get all of Mac's dough.....then we can give him one of those beers so he will vote for our guys. You know....giving people free stuff is the SUREFIRE way to get their votes. Damn! This plan just might work after all.

Yea.....but......Mac will still be a Republican and he will want 5 beers and make us split the sixth. I am not doing that. No beer for repubs is what I say. And I sure ain't giving any beers away, except to you. Will you vote for me if I give you Mac's beers?

Hold on! Mac ain't no Republican! Haven't you been paying attention? Mac is a moderate independent thinker who scoffs at all political ideologues! He'll just sit there and tell us that we bought the wrong kind of beer and we're drinking it from the wrong kind of glass.

Earmuffs!

 

[dannyboys]

That does not preclude the need for massive tax reform. If we could get the politics and the special interests out of the process, I'm sure there could be bi-partisan support for tax reform.

The process is one of argument compromise and agreement. Are the House Republicans up for some actual governance? Or are they simply the Party of No!?

the GOP led house has passed dozens of tax reform bills, budget bills, jobs bills--------------the idiot Harry Reid has not let a single one be discussed or voted on in the senate.

Reid and Obama are the problem-------------face reality

Anyone ever notice how a person like the above who is ate up with Obama Derangement Syndrome, never, ever accepts responsibility for what they have or haven't done?

It's all Harrys fault, It's all Obama's fault.

Fortunately the Repubs won't win the WH in my remaining life so they won't get to blame Obama for their next failed Presidency. But they would have if they could have.

Bobo will be impeached within a year.
He'll rent a suit above 'Boystown' and MO and the girls will move to France.

 

[Redfish]

WTF?? You know that money that business's give out? It's called "wages". You ever earn any wages? Buy any things you need with the money you earned? That's what a consumer based economy does. And they don't "fail" unless there is no money being earned to be spent.

when the govt takes half of your wages------------------------------how much does that leave for you to spend in the economy?

I know that this is tough for a math challenged Republican like you but........IF the government took one half of your wages........wait for it...........it would leave you one half of your earnings to spend in the economy.

You with me on that?

Right, you scored one correct answer.

next question: who can spend your money better, you or the government?

 

[Redfish]

A successful economy cannot be predicated on a business giving money to people who will then be able to buy the product that company makes. That's the essence of a consumer based economy. That's why they fail.

WTF?? You know that money that business's give out? It's called "wages". You ever earn any wages? Buy any things you need with the money you earned? That's what a consumer based economy does. And they don't "fail" unless there is no money being earned to be spent.

Wages are the measurement of a unit of labor. Would you pay $100,000 for a Fiat? No. That's because a Fiat isn't worth $100,000. Overpaying for a unit of labor is the same thing. Raise the minimum wage above the value of the unit of labor and it won't be worth keeping that business open. Either those jobs will disappear, gobbled up by automation or the business just won't open at all.

much too complicated for our liberal friends------------their defective gene will not permit logical thinking.