Zone1 Timothy McVeigh, Who Blew Up a Federal Building, Killing168 People Including 19 Children, Was Not Charged or Convicted of Domestic Terrorism

[Carl in Michigan]

"At least three people have been shot observing or documenting immigration raids,

"Observing and documenting "

 

[buttercup]

McVeigh did what he did as retribution for Clinton/Reno in Waco and the murder of Randy Weavers wife, son and dog

Read the book I mentioned. Or do the research, outside of what you heard from the government and the MSM. There's much more to it. Yet again, the problem is you genuinely don't realize how thoroughly corrupt our government is. Until you get that, you will always have that knee-jerk reaction to dismiss anything that sounds unbelievable to you.

 

[Dekster]

...yet Renee Good, who has killed, let alone injured no one, is being painted by our government in the false light of being a domestic terrorist.

While I cannot locate this video/quote, a law enforcement officer who was involved in the investigation of the case stated "McVeigh was not a terrorist, he was just a guy who was mad at the government".

How did we get to this point, where the federal government, in the full light of day, can falsely accuse its own citizens of attributes or having engaged in behavior that they have not, simply to make it easier for them to railroad them?

Civil disobedience along with protest has always been a lawful method of exercising our first amendment Constitutional right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Domestic terrorism was defined by the patriot act but it is an enhancement not a crime itself.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Domestic terrorism was defined by the patriot act but it is an enhancement not a crime itself.

Yeah I doubt you'll find any intellectual curiosity from the left to try to get any of that correct. They'll just give an out-of-context narrative like this OP did.

 

[TheInfiniteSadness]

Really, so why would the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security call her a domestic terrorist? Just to paint her in a false light since she know or should know that most of the country will twitch at the word "terrorist/terrorism"?

He can call her anything he wants but there is no federal law that specifically includes the term "Domestic Terrorism." There are a lot of states who have such laws.

There was a law proposed by the Democrats but the Republicans blocked it in 2022.

"On May 26, Senate Republicans blocked the bill in a 47–47 vote, arguing that the bill created redundant offices and portrayed law enforcement as white supremacists."

Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[the watcher]

I won't try and convince anyone of anything, you can research it if you want to. Just think back to the original story line with all the John Doe wanted posters and then the changing narratives. It was distilled down to one "lone nut" and he went away. The ATF had at least one informer in the ARA that tried to warn them of an operation to blow up federal buildings and was ignored. There were at least as many as three informants/operatives in the Aarian Republican Army that were involved with penetrating this gang. Look up Terry Leakey and his mysterious death, and Kenneth Trentadue and Richard Lee Guthrie while you're at it. There's a lot that was never really discussed at the trial.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Read the book I mentioned. Or do the research, outside of what you heard from the government and the MSM. There's much more to it. Yet again, the problem is you genuinely don't realize ohow thoroughly corrupt our government is. Until you get that, you will always have that knee-jerk reaction to dismiss anything that sounds unbelievable to you.

When it comes to conspiracies you never consider that you may have been duped. You dont understand that others may have already been down that path

 

[PeterPilot]

DINT INTERFERE WITH LAW ENFOR

Good grief

In a time of universal deception, speaking the truth is a radical act.

When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.

 

[PeterPilot]

Yep. British investigative journalist Ambrose Evans-Pritchard wrote about the federal government's involvement in the OKC bombing. Apparently no one here read his book The Secret Life of Bill Clinton, from the late 90s.

The letter from USAF General Benton Partin to Senator Trent Lott asked the Senator to delay the demolition of the building because Partin had found facts and evidence that needed to be further investigated. He had personally visited the site and found evidence of explosive devices inside the building. His specialty in the Air Force had been explosives. He died in 2019.

Lott ignored the letter and the building was demolished shortly after.

 

[martybegan]

...yet Renee Good, who has killed, let alone injured no one, is being painted by our government in the false light of being a domestic terrorist.

While I cannot locate this video/quote, a law enforcement officer who was involved in the investigation of the case stated "McVeigh was not a terrorist, he was just a guy who was mad at the government".

How did we get to this point, where the federal government, in the full light of day, can falsely accuse its own citizens of attributes or having engaged in behavior that they have not, simply to make it easier for them to railroad them?

Civil disobedience along with protest has always been a lawful method of exercising our first amendment Constitutional right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

They had far more easier cases of murder to make against him, and it worked.

 

[PeterPilot]

Domestic terrorism was defined by the patriot act but it is an enhancement not a crime itself.

Domestic Terrorism is a propagandist's term meant to fool simple-minded people.

Under Noem, George Washington would have been a domestic terrorist.

 

[Dekster]

Domestic Terrorism is a propagandist's term meant to fool simple-minded people.

Under Noem, George Washington would have been a domestic terrorist.

"The federal government defines domestic terrorism (DT) as ideologically driven crimes committed by individuals in the United States that are intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or influence the policy or conduct of a government. Federal definitions of DT are found in the USA PATRIOT Act (18 U.S.C. §2331), the Homeland Security Act (6 U.S.C. §101), and Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations (§0.85). Aside from the statutory and regulatory definitions of DT, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has historically emphasized particular qualities inherent to the actors who engage in DT. According to the FBI, domestic terrorists are Americans who commit violence to achieve their goals that stem from domestic, extremist ideological influence, and lack foreign direction or influence. This conceptualization excludes ideologically driven crimes committed in the United States by individuals whose actions are directed or motivated by foreign groups."

"Despite the statutory definition of DT in Title 18 of the U.S. Code, no federal criminal provision expressly prohibits "domestic terrorism." While DT is defined in federal statute, the term domestic terrorist is not used to officially label any group (as it is with foreign terrorist organizations). However, federal law enforcement has referred (in some instances such as congressional testimony) to individuals as domestic terrorists and their crimes as DT."

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R47885

Of course, then there is the Trump Administration that labels anything they don't like as terrorism.....

 

[buttercup]

Domestic Terrorism is a propagandist's term meant to fool simple-minded people.

/ thread.

 

[the watcher]

McVeigh did what he did as retribution for Clinton/Reno in Waco and the murder of Randy Weavers wife, son and dog

It is like a lot of things, not as simple as that. It started out as simple spying on groups the FBI was obsessed with, probably with some good initial intent. Ther spying led to active involvement, and then the FBI actually ended up creating the Aryan Republican Army militant group to gather intelligence, and it most likely led to the operation (PATCOM for patriot conspiracy) which went rogue and resulted in 168 deaths. McVey's connection to the ARA and the history of the ARA would track right back to the DoJ and their tactics. Destruction of evidence, intimidation of witnesses, elimination of witnesses, tempering with grand Jurys and gag orders have sealed it off. You can still see the same game plans being used in these so-called protests and riots now. BREAKING: Attorney Sues FBI for Records about CIA Asset Who Funded OKC Bombing | Headline USA

 

[Carl in Michigan]

It is like a lot of things, not as simple as that. It started out as simple spying on groups the FBI was obsessed with, probably with some good initial intent. Ther spying led to active involvement, and then the FBI actually ended up creating the Aryan Republican Army militant group to gather intelligence, and it most likely led to the operation (PATCOM for patriot conspiracy) which went rogue and resulted in 168 deaths. McVey's connection to the ARA and the history of the ARA would track right back to the DoJ and their tactics. Destruction of evidence, intimidation of witnesses, elimination of witnesses, tempering with grand Jurys and gag orders have sealed it off. You can still see the same game plans being used in these so-called protests and riots now. BREAKING: Attorney Sues FBI for Records about CIA Asset Who Funded OKC Bombing | Headline USA

I take him at his word. Some of you can drown in your conspiracies but usually the simple answer is the correct one -- especially when he told you why

Yes, Timothy McVeigh consistently stated his motives for the Oklahoma City bombing, citing revenge against the U.S. government for the Waco siege and Ruby Ridge, aiming to spark an anti-government revolution, and seeing it as a just act against perceived federal tyranny, particularly targeting the ATF and FBI. He chose the date to commemorate Waco and viewed the bombing as a military strike, not terrorism, hoping to inspire others.

Key Reasons He Gave:

• • Revenge for Waco & Ruby Ridge:
    He sought retribution for the 1993 Waco siege and the 1992 Ruby Ridge incident, feeling the government overstepped its bounds against citizens.
    
  • Anti-Government Revolution:
    McVeigh wanted to incite an uprising against what he considered a tyrannical federal government, viewing the bombing as a legitimate act of war.
    
  • Targeting Federal Agencies:
    He specifically targeted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) for their roles in those events.
    
  • Symbolic Date:
    He timed the attack for April 19, 1995, the second anniversary of the Waco standoff and the anniversary of the Battles of Lexington and Concord, connecting it to revolutionary ideals.
    

How He Expressed It:

• • Interviews & Letters:
    He detailed these motives in interviews, letters, and during his trial, maintaining his stance that he was a soldier fighting an oppressive government.
    
  • Propaganda:
    He hoped the bombing would serve as propaganda, galvanizing public opposition to the federal government.

 

[candycorn]

I wonder how the dog murderer would classify what McVeigh did...”legitimate public discourse” was used to describe J6.

 

[the watcher]

I take him at his word. Some of you can drown in your conspiracies but usually the simple answer is the correct one -- especially when he told you why

Yes, Timothy McVeigh consistently stated his motives for the Oklahoma City bombing, citing revenge against the U.S. government for the Waco siege and Ruby Ridge, aiming to spark an anti-government revolution, and seeing it as a just act against perceived federal tyranny, particularly targeting the ATF and FBI. He chose the date to commemorate Waco and viewed the bombing as a military strike, not terrorism, hoping to inspire others.

Key Reasons He Gave:

• • Revenge for Waco & Ruby Ridge:
    He sought retribution for the 1993 Waco siege and the 1992 Ruby Ridge incident, feeling the government overstepped its bounds against citizens.
  • Anti-Government Revolution:
    McVeigh wanted to incite an uprising against what he considered a tyrannical federal government, viewing the bombing as a legitimate act of war.
  • Targeting Federal Agencies:
    He specifically targeted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) for their roles in those events.
  • Symbolic Date:
    He timed the attack for April 19, 1995, the second anniversary of the Waco standoff and the anniversary of the Battles of Lexington and Concord, connecting it to revolutionary ideals.

How He Expressed It:

• • Interviews & Letters:
    He detailed these motives in interviews, letters, and during his trial, maintaining his stance that he was a soldier fighting an oppressive government.
  • Propaganda:
    He hoped the bombing would serve as propaganda, galvanizing public opposition to the federal government.

There's little question that he was involved. The problem is when he is profiled as doing it alone.

 

[Hollie]

...yet Renee Good, who has killed, let alone injured no one, is being painted by our government in the false light of being a domestic terrorist.

While I cannot locate this video/quote, a law enforcement officer who was involved in the investigation of the case stated "McVeigh was not a terrorist, he was just a guy who was mad at the government".

How did we get to this point, where the federal government, in the full light of day, can falsely accuse its own citizens of attributes or having engaged in behavior that they have not, simply to make it easier for them to railroad them?

Civil disobedience along with protest has always been a lawful method of exercising our first amendment Constitutional right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

When did “civil disobedience” get interpreted to include vehicular assault?

 

[Hollie]

Excellent post.

McVeigh was a patsy. ATF and other federal agencies did it.

The term "terrorist" never became popular until the Zionists attacked WTC on 911. The term has been used so often in propaganda efforts that it no longer has any meaning.

Oh good lord. The conspiracy theorists have landed.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I wonder how the dog murderer would classify what McVeigh did...”legitimate public discourse” was used to describe J6.

Can you murder a dog but not a cow?
Hate does this to your spul