Time to Restate Zone 1 Rules

[Ropey]

I can only imagine how much he would hate me if I were actually Jewish.

Extreme antisemites treat gentiles who don't hate Jews like Blacks treat their fellow Blacks who vote republican, though. They consider it to be racial betrayal.

The good thing is that they don't hide it ... nearly as well as they think they do.

 

[Ropey]

Likely this is who Ropey will vote for next. . .

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. . . note the excuse making for the current administration ;

Trump administration cancels parole for US Navy analyst who spied for Israel

A UNITED STATES NAVY analyst who spent 30 years in prison after being convicted of spying on the United States for Israel, is expected to receive a hero’s welcome in Israel in the coming days, afte…

intelnews.org

So, you want him executed?

He was a spook. He is still a spook.

That's what they do. American spooks spy on Israel as well.

Documented Examples of U.S. Espionage on Israel

• NSA Electronic Surveillance: Leaked documents from former National Security Agency (NSA) contractor Edward Snowden revealed that the NSA tracked high-priority Israeli military targets. This included electronic surveillance of Israeli drone operations and the Black Sparrow missile system.
• Targeting Leadership: Former U.S. intelligence officials openly acknowledge that Washington regularly gathers intelligence on political and military leaders in Tel Aviv.
• The Cyber Domain: The U.S. monitors Israeli cyber capabilities and technological developments to protect its own defense infrastructure and track potential uncoordinated operations in the Middle East.

You are naive...

...or you have ulterior motives.

I go with the party of the second part.

 

[Ropey]

• Targeting Leadership: Former U.S. intelligence officials openly acknowledge that Washington regularly gathers intelligence on political and military leaders in Tel Aviv.

Just who do you think they are using to gather intelligence in Israel?

Spooks. Embedded spys. All strong powers do this.



Either your idiocy is showing or your malevolence.

I go with the party to the first part on this issue.

 

[Ropey]

And what does any of that have to do with this USMB member being called a foreign 'agent' of Israel?

Where are the facts? Oh it's simple deflection, is it...

And that's the real hidden agenda of these idiots.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The good thing is that they don't hide it ... nearly as well as they think they do.

They do not hide it and then they turn around and deny it furiously. It's all a very deliberate game.

 

[Ropey]

It's all a very deliberate game.

You spelled 'stupid' wrong.

Is this all these guys do up here? No factual discussion, just identity politics sprinkled with some major dissembling and ad hominem bs... if facts enter the discussion?

tff

 

[MisterBeale]

So, you want him executed?

When the betrayal leads to American intelligence assets, yes.
McGovern said that is what happened.

There is a difference between gathering intelligence on allies, and selling that intelligence to our rival nations.

If Pollard becomes a significant player in any Israeli government, then w/o question, Israel needs to be added to this list;

 

[Ropey]

So, you want him executed?

When the betrayal leads to American intelligence assets, yes.

Spying is seen as a different thing and you can't seem to wrap your head around the reality that they all do it. Then spies are traded back and forth. So.. even though you're not able to encapsulate the degrees of work these countries do together is seen as valuable... even if you don't.

You can't always get what you want.



And this is why you hate Jews and blame them all for what spooks do?

 

[MisterBeale]

blame them all for what spooks do?

Name just one other time when the US traded intel on Israel to a hostile power to Israel, or just one other time when our western allies did to us what Pollard did.

 

[Ropey]

Name just one other time when the US traded intel on Israel to a hostile power to Israel, or just one other time when our western allies did to us what Pollard did.

The world is messy, full of gray.

Effective policy balances realism (they all spy) with protecting core capabilities and people.

Dismissing the human cost side doesn't make the problem go away... it just invites more of it.

 

[Ropey]

Name just one other time when the US traded intel on Israel to a hostile power to Israel, or just one other time when our western allies did to us what Pollard did.

US did not trade that intel you speak of.

Israel did not trade that intel you speak of.

Israel spooks spied and took it with the left leaking that move.

You don't normally find out these issues but if you think Israel is the only country that does this, then you're not very quick. America spies on Israel as well and your 'degree'ism' is a fail. Spying on Israel during wartime? Yes. Of course.

Why has the U.S. intensified its spying on Israel?

Opinion: NSA’s growing Hebrew-bent suggests the Biden administration is increasingly worried about a possible Israeli military undertaking against Iran that could trigger a full-scale Middle East conflict

www.ynetnews.com

But all you want to focus on is this one act and ask for him to be executed and for not executing him, you want to blame all Jews for being agents.


Idiocy, that.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

I can only imagine how much he would hate me if I were actually Jewish.

Extreme antisemites treat gentiles who don't hate Jews like Blacks treat their fellow Blacks who vote republican, though. They consider it to be racial betrayal.

Well, they never snivel about those millions of Irish thugs who stuck together, dominating politics for many decades in many cities here in the US, or any other ethnic group that tended to vote in blocs, frauds. Don't see them sniveling over the French for wanting to be French, and of course they're fine with Arab gangs wanting to be bloodthirsty homocidal savages. But hey, if some clown car full of sociopaths wants to nuke American cities, why hell yeah, let them ... especially if they want to kill Jews.

 

[MisterBeale]

Jonathan Pollard Was One of the Most Damaging Spies in US History

Much of the intelligence Jonathan Pollard provided to Israel may have ended up in the Soviet Union.

www.military.com

 

[Ropey]

Moralizing every instance as a unique evil ignores how the game works globally and is a method of dissembling the outright reality of what spooks actually do... they have processes to follow.

Pretending there's no meaningful difference between professional spying and an American walking into an embassy to hand over names for bags of cash (leading to executions) also misses reality.

This is not what spooks are supposed to do...

Aldrich Ames is the clearest, most direct example of what I described.

• CIA counterintelligence officer (worked Soviet/Eastern Europe desk).
• In 1985, he walked into a meeting with a Soviet Embassy official (Sergei Chuvakhin) in Washington, D.C., and began handing over highly classified information, starting with the identities of CIA assets (Soviets and Eastern Europeans secretly working for the U.S.).
• He did this primarily for money... eventually receiving around $2.5 million from the KGB/Soviets over the years.
• He compromised more than 100 operations and the identities of dozens of sources.

He did this primarily for money... eventually receiving around $2.5 million from the KGB/Soviets over the years.

iow, not a spook. Pollard was a spook.

Now how does any of this make me a foreign agent?

 

[MisterBeale]

The Traitor​

The case against Jonathan Pollard.
By Seymour M. Hersh
January 11, 1999

https://archive.ph/3J8TO#selection-323.0-353.16

 

[Ropey]

You're stuttering. You just can't accept reality. Still, that's your issue and has nothing to do with me other than you using the Pollard Incident as a reason to blame all Jews.

That's a motive before the action just like a cart before a horse.

Intelligence officers... spooks... serve as a vital check and balance in a ruthless global system.

With allies, it’s Trust, but Verify. Pollard failed that verification ... because the right was fine with Israel being nuclear while the golbalist left wants Iran to be nuclear... a la NK.

With everyone else, the rule is simpler: Don’t Trust, Don’t Verify, Maintain Constant Vigilance.

And then they all spy on each other. You're not that naive so you have an ulterior motive for using that event to blame all Jews as being foreign agents.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Can somebody among those who follow these very formulaic Conspiracy politics please tell me -- Are Jews the Lizard people, or are the Lizard people a completely different group working to control you and prevent you from being a success in life?

Thanks in advance.



Oh, and pleae don't forget the necessary memes and reams of cut and pastes.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Well, they never snivel about those millions of Irish thugs who stuck together, dominating politics for many decades in many cities here in the US, or any other ethnic group that tended to vote in blocs, frauds. Don't see them sniveling over the French for wanting to be French, and of course they're fine with Arab gangs wanting to be bloodthirsty homocidal savages. But hey, if some clown car full of sociopaths wants to nuke American cities, why hell yeah, let them ... especially if they want to kill Jews.

Well, you see, to them the Irish are Drunks and the French are surrender monkeys, neither of which are as dangerous to them as the forever scheming Jews.

 

[Ropey]

Well, you see, to them the Irish are Drunks and the French are surrender monkeys, neither of which are as dangerous to them as the forever scheming Jews.

+3

The Free French fought and died very well. Even more so, they were masterful spies with their spooks stilll working behind the lines after France capitulated, helping America gain intelligence on many important avenues, including Germany's Heavy Water integration silos.

They suffered heavy casualties: tens of thousands killed across the war.

The Irish have their religious issues so well embedded that they can't really get past their hatred for each other.

That's the UK's constant stress Great Game. Trump just defeated that.

 

[JoeB131]

Can somebody among those who follow these very formulaic Conspiracy politics please tell me -- Are Jews the Lizard people, or are the Lizard people a completely different group working to control you and prevent you from being a success in life?

Thanks in advance.



Oh, and pleae don't forget the necessary memes and reams of cut and pastes.

Nobody on this thread talked about Lizard People.

And pointing out that the Zionist Entity does some pretty shitty stuff to their supposed benefactor is hardly a conspiracy theory. (Pollard, attacking USS Liberty, etc.)