Time to attack iran

[Si modo]

They see themselves as on a mission from God.........Hm where have I heard THAT before and don't say the Blues Brothers.

I'm not sure of the answer, but BHO thinks of himself as "an instrument of God".

please support your opinion with a link

My pleasure: Barack Obama: Praying to Be 'An Instrument of God's Will'

 

[L.K.Eder]

I'm not sure of the answer, but BHO thinks of himself as "an instrument of God".

please support your opinion with a link

My pleasure: Barack Obama: Praying to Be 'An Instrument of God's Will'

very good. i never heard this pathetic pandering of Obama.

the only positive spin i can put on that is that it is not common knowledge how christian and pious he is. he probably overshot to counter the he is a muslim shit.

but yeah, you are right, he said this, and for me, a german, that would be a reason not to vote for him. not the only reason, but this religious dogma shit makes me shudder.

 

[Si modo]

please support your opinion with a link

My pleasure: Barack Obama: Praying to Be 'An Instrument of God's Will'

very good. i never heard this pathetic pandering of Obama.

the only positive spin i can put on that is that it is not common knowledge how christian and pious he is. he probably overshot to counter the he is a muslim shit.

but yeah, you are right, he said this, and for me, a german, that would be a reason not to vote for him. not the only reason, but this religious dogma shit makes me shudder.

Yeah, it was pandering. He had to do it to get some of a voting block without which he couldn't win the election. I wouldn't hold it against him (if that sort of stuff did that for me, that is - extreme, yes; but that's not extreme to me).

But, it doesn't get to me - I rarely knew and still don't know what to believe from him in the sincerity department.

 

[eagleseven]

please support your opinion with a link

My pleasure: Barack Obama: Praying to Be 'An Instrument of God's Will'

very good. i never heard this pathetic pandering of Obama.

the only positive spin i can put on that is that it is not common knowledge how christian and pious he is. he probably overshot to counter the he is a muslim shit.

but yeah, you are right, he said this, and for me, a german, that would be a reason not to vote for him. not the only reason, but this religious dogma shit makes me shudder.

American press tends to understate just how religious the African-American and Latino populations can be. If Obama were openly homosexual, for example, he would immediately lose a majority of the black vote.

 

[L.K.Eder]

My pleasure: Barack Obama: Praying to Be 'An Instrument of God's Will'

very good. i never heard this pathetic pandering of Obama.

the only positive spin i can put on that is that it is not common knowledge how christian and pious he is. he probably overshot to counter the he is a muslim shit.

but yeah, you are right, he said this, and for me, a german, that would be a reason not to vote for him. not the only reason, but this religious dogma shit makes me shudder.

Yeah, it was pandering. He had to do it to get some of a voting block without which he couldn't win the election. I wouldn't hold it against him (if that sort of stuff did that for me, that is - extreme, yes; but that's not extreme to me).

But, it doesn't get to me - I never knew and still don't know what to believe from him in the sincerity department.

a leader who proclaims he does god's will or is an instrument of god, is, if he is serious about that statement, very dangerous. so far, i am cynical enough to think obama was just doing the typical politicians dance to get tha votes.

 

[eagleseven]

Just watch this video, LK, and you'll see what I mean...he really gets into it about halfway through this clip.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VnaFfESDFM]YouTube - Bishop Charles E. Blake presents Emotional Survival In A Crazy World[/ame]

You'll find that aObama's Church had the same style, but with a bit more aggressive pastor.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Just watch this video, LK, and you'll see what I mean...he really gets into it about halfway through this clip.

YouTube - Bishop Charles E. Blake presents Emotional Survival In A Crazy World

sorry dude, you want me to watch a video of nearly 10 min length of what looks like religious stuff?

give me the money shot time sequence and i will play. but i won't watch the whole vid

 

[eagleseven]

Just watch this video, LK, and you'll see what I mean...he really gets into it about halfway through this clip.

YouTube - Bishop Charles E. Blake presents Emotional Survival In A Crazy World

sorry dude, you want me to watch a video of nearly 10 min length of what looks like religious stuff?

give me the money shot time sequence and i will play. but i won't watch the whole vid

This is the money shot from Obama's Church made by his spiritual adviser, and is easy to watch at only 2 minutes...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yq055NAsrQ]YouTube - Jeremiah Wright: The Full G-Damn America Sermon[/ame]

 

[L.K.Eder]

Just watch this video, LK, and you'll see what I mean...he really gets into it about halfway through this clip.

YouTube - Bishop Charles E. Blake presents Emotional Survival In A Crazy World

sorry dude, you want me to watch a video of nearly 10 min length of what looks like religious stuff?

give me the money shot time sequence and i will play. but i won't watch the whole vid

This is the money shot from Obama's Church made by his spiritual adviser, and is easy to watch at only 2 minutes...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yq055NAsrQ]YouTube - Jeremiah Wright: The Full G-Damn America Sermon[/ame]

that is a switch and bait, and a poor one at that. i wanted to see obama saying something crassly religious. and guess what, i saw the wright sermons in the campaign season. and i say yeeehaaw, jeremiah wright, america apparently is not ready for some introspection, and it is certainly a political liability to be associated with you (wright) as a candidate for president. i pity you americans for your poor standard of the media, politicians are crooked everwhere and tell you what you want to hear. but your media landscape is pathetic.

 

[eagleseven]

sorry dude, you want me to watch a video of nearly 10 min length of what looks like religious stuff?

give me the money shot time sequence and i will play. but i won't watch the whole vid

This is the money shot from Obama's Church made by his spiritual adviser, and is easy to watch at only 2 minutes...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yq055NAsrQ]YouTube - Jeremiah Wright: The Full G-Damn America Sermon[/ame]

that is a switch and bait, and a poor one at that. i wanted to see obama saying something crassly religious. and guess what, i saw the wright sermons in the campaign season. and i say yeeehaaw, jeremiah wright, america apparently is not ready for some introspection, and it is certainly a political liability to be associated with you (wright) as a candidate for president. i pity you americans for your poor standard of the media, politicians are crooked everwhere and tell you what you want to hear. but your media landscape is pathetic.

It is "introspection" when invoking God in criticism of America, but religious insanity when talking with God in any other context?

Tell me, when was the last time you read Mein Kampf? In America, we do not outlaw the evidence of our past sins. We have dozens of movies that grotesquely reveal the horrors of slavery in the American South...like Roots.

 

[eagleseven]

Watch this American movie clip made in the 1970s...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiZLMYaP-8A&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiZLMYaP-8A&feature=related[/ame]

...and tell me we lack introspection.

 

[Dr.Drock]

I hate Bolton... Like I HATE that guy in every way (specially 'cuz he looks like an old Ned Flanders on acid), but I think he genuinely is right on this ONE thing.

Iran's government (if a bunch of thugs should be called a government) is genuinely an enemy to the world. And although I totally opposed the Iraq war, I've always believed that war was just a way for the US to put ground troops near the Iranian border. Because Iran has essentially been progressively at war with the US since 1980.

Iran's government is trash, but there's 100 governments in the world that are worse.

I'm just going to ignore the attempted similarity connection the other poster tried to make between Nazi Germany and the current Irani government. People will say anything, no matter how crazy, to try and strike emotions in political debates.

If you think the Vietnam War was cool, then you'll like an American led war in Iran. This won't be Iraq where it takes years to reach 1,000 dead American soldiers that will happen every single year we fight it. You think this recession sucks? Wait until you see what happens to our economy if we fight a much larger war than the current sized wars that we can't even afford.

And, just like in Afghanistan/Iraq/Vietnam, this will be another war that we lose. The only way to win a war against Iran is to drop enough nukes to cover every square inch of the ground. The Iranian people are big on independence and they'll fight until the last person takes in their last gasp of air. Plus their military is way better than Iraq's was, hence why they crushed Iraq in the war in the 80's you mentioned. The war where we were giving Saddam chemical weapons, gas, money, other weapons to wage war and kill his own women, children and babies with.

There's nothing stupider (no offense) than wanting war with Iran. We'll gain nothing and lose everything. We can't even win a war against the 3rd poorest 3rd world country (Afghanistan) in 8 years, the Taliban controls more of the country than we do.

I've said as much in other posts, don't get me wrong. I feel the US SHOULD go to war with Iran because, in reality, Iran has been waging war on the US indirectly for decades.

And btw, I also feel the US has done some horrendous things to Iranians since and after 1953. I remember a quote from a senior US official to the UN regarding Saddam's chemical weapons, where he said something along the lines of 'It's a difficult situation. You want Iraq to stop using chemical weapons, but on the other hand... you don't want Iran to win the war!" I mean that is a borderline evil thing to say, and it was the US policy towards Iran.

HOWEVER, I agree that the costs are way too high for this war. I would not support a US or Israeli attack on Iran. My main argument is against people that assume that the attack on Iran would be morally as low as the attack on Iraq. To say so is to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iran.

I agree with what you say about the costs of war, and actually would go further by saying what I've already probably said 10X (and I'm paraphrasing an scholar whose name I can't remember unfortunately): If you were to hold referendums today in the Middle East, every single country with one exception would have a theocratic government like Iran's. The exception is of course Iran itself. If the US were to attack, this reality would change.

But I don't agree with the statement that there are other countries more dangerous than Iran. One, it is in the single most important region of the world, surrounded by allies of the US, controlling or influencing the vast majority of the flow of energy around the world.

Two, it has imperial ambitions. The revolution was from the start meant to be a starting point for the spread of the new Shia empire. On top of that, the rather extreme ethnocentrism and nationalism of Iranians who consider themselves superior to Arabs is just a powderkeg waiting to explode as soon as Iran becomes the single dominant nation in the region. For years Iranians and Russians have been building towards a middle east controlled by Iran and influenced by Russia. It is a very rational consequence of the departure of US influence in the region (and the original reason for US interferance in Iran since thd 1920s).

If North Korea nukes Japan, it would be unbelievably horrendous. But it couldn't damage the entire world economy. If Iran got into a war with its very natural enemy, Saudi Arabia... can you imagine the consequences? The entire world economy would be brought to its knees.

Again, I don't say the US MUST attack. But if we're talking about a country that has to look at its best interests and the interest of its allies in the region (not just Israel), you do have to make the case that the US would not be in the same moral position as it was with Iraq (a country that was not a genuine threat after the first gulf war, and had been tortured through air attacks and sanctions for over a decade).

But Iran has a very advanced ballistic missles industry that, as a military spokesman of the IRI said "manufactures bombs the same way it can manufacture books." It could cause inmense, borderline fatal damage to Israel as well as tens of thousands of bystanding US troops in Southern Iraq. So I understand and generally agree with what you're saying. I'm just not willing to say that it's just another country like Cuba or Lybia, and that the US has no reason to attack.

No offense sir, you sound smart, but this is nothing but drivel. If Iran or North Korea even reached towards the button to launch a nuclear weapon (if they ever have them) the entire country would be blown away before it ever reached the high airspace. Iran has a hundred US and Israeli nukes aimed at it right now. Iran getting nuclear weapons (legally I might add) would do absolutely nothing to affect any US or close US ally's safety. Don't believe the fearmongering, that's what got us into Iraq.

I hope if we ever sign up to fight for war with Iran you're the first to sign up for it. Don't take after all the pro Iraq war chickenhawks like the voting neoconservatives, Dick Cheney, Bill O'Reilly, George Bush, Sean Hannity, etc who do nothing but cower under beds and cheer on others to die in their place when they want war to happen.

 

[L.K.Eder]

This is the money shot from Obama's Church made by his spiritual adviser, and is easy to watch at only 2 minutes...

YouTube - Jeremiah Wright: The Full G-Damn America Sermon

that is a switch and bait, and a poor one at that. i wanted to see obama saying something crassly religious. and guess what, i saw the wright sermons in the campaign season. and i say yeeehaaw, jeremiah wright, america apparently is not ready for some introspection, and it is certainly a political liability to be associated with you (wright) as a candidate for president. i pity you americans for your poor standard of the media, politicians are crooked everwhere and tell you what you want to hear. but your media landscape is pathetic.

It is "introspection" when invoking God in criticism of America, but religious insanity when talking with God in any other context?

Tell me, when was the last time you read Mein Kampf? In America, we do not outlaw the evidence of our past sins. We have dozens movies that grotesquely reveal the horrors of slavery in the American South...like Roots.

i read "mein kampf", several times, it is available online, and my family did not burn it. it is a shitty book, a really bad read.

in america you don't recognice your failures of the vietnam war you dont recognize your failures in the afghanistan (soviet and US) war, you certainly don't recognize your failures in the IRAQ war. so you should just shut up your alligator mouth.

incredible that you try to get some mileage from"mein Kampf" and the way germany had to confront their multiple war crimes.

we can talk again, when bush, cheney, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, rove, rice, yoo and a LOT of others face a war crime tribunal in the HAGUE. but of course we all know this will not happen, because you have to really totally lose a war to face that kind of consequences.

 

[stonewall]

Iran's government is trash, but there's 100 governments in the world that are worse.

I'm just going to ignore the attempted similarity connection the other poster tried to make between Nazi Germany and the current Irani government. People will say anything, no matter how crazy, to try and strike emotions in political debates.

If you think the Vietnam War was cool, then you'll like an American led war in Iran. This won't be Iraq where it takes years to reach 1,000 dead American soldiers that will happen every single year we fight it. You think this recession sucks? Wait until you see what happens to our economy if we fight a much larger war than the current sized wars that we can't even afford.

And, just like in Afghanistan/Iraq/Vietnam, this will be another war that we lose. The only way to win a war against Iran is to drop enough nukes to cover every square inch of the ground. The Iranian people are big on independence and they'll fight until the last person takes in their last gasp of air. Plus their military is way better than Iraq's was, hence why they crushed Iraq in the war in the 80's you mentioned. The war where we were giving Saddam chemical weapons, gas, money, other weapons to wage war and kill his own women, children and babies with.

There's nothing stupider (no offense) than wanting war with Iran. We'll gain nothing and lose everything. We can't even win a war against the 3rd poorest 3rd world country (Afghanistan) in 8 years, the Taliban controls more of the country than we do.

I've said as much in other posts, don't get me wrong. I feel the US SHOULD go to war with Iran because, in reality, Iran has been waging war on the US indirectly for decades.

And btw, I also feel the US has done some horrendous things to Iranians since and after 1953. I remember a quote from a senior US official to the UN regarding Saddam's chemical weapons, where he said something along the lines of 'It's a difficult situation. You want Iraq to stop using chemical weapons, but on the other hand... you don't want Iran to win the war!" I mean that is a borderline evil thing to say, and it was the US policy towards Iran.

HOWEVER, I agree that the costs are way too high for this war. I would not support a US or Israeli attack on Iran. My main argument is against people that assume that the attack on Iran would be morally as low as the attack on Iraq. To say so is to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iran.

I agree with what you say about the costs of war, and actually would go further by saying what I've already probably said 10X (and I'm paraphrasing an scholar whose name I can't remember unfortunately): If you were to hold referendums today in the Middle East, every single country with one exception would have a theocratic government like Iran's. The exception is of course Iran itself. If the US were to attack, this reality would change.

But I don't agree with the statement that there are other countries more dangerous than Iran. One, it is in the single most important region of the world, surrounded by allies of the US, controlling or influencing the vast majority of the flow of energy around the world.

Two, it has imperial ambitions. The revolution was from the start meant to be a starting point for the spread of the new Shia empire. On top of that, the rather extreme ethnocentrism and nationalism of Iranians who consider themselves superior to Arabs is just a powderkeg waiting to explode as soon as Iran becomes the single dominant nation in the region. For years Iranians and Russians have been building towards a middle east controlled by Iran and influenced by Russia. It is a very rational consequence of the departure of US influence in the region (and the original reason for US interferance in Iran since thd 1920s).

If North Korea nukes Japan, it would be unbelievably horrendous. But it couldn't damage the entire world economy. If Iran got into a war with its very natural enemy, Saudi Arabia... can you imagine the consequences? The entire world economy would be brought to its knees.

Again, I don't say the US MUST attack. But if we're talking about a country that has to look at its best interests and the interest of its allies in the region (not just Israel), you do have to make the case that the US would not be in the same moral position as it was with Iraq (a country that was not a genuine threat after the first gulf war, and had been tortured through air attacks and sanctions for over a decade).

But Iran has a very advanced ballistic missles industry that, as a military spokesman of the IRI said "manufactures bombs the same way it can manufacture books." It could cause inmense, borderline fatal damage to Israel as well as tens of thousands of bystanding US troops in Southern Iraq. So I understand and generally agree with what you're saying. I'm just not willing to say that it's just another country like Cuba or Lybia, and that the US has no reason to attack.

No offense sir, you sound smart, but this is nothing but drivel. If Iran or North Korea even reached towards the button to launch a nuclear weapon (if they ever have them) the entire country would be blown away before it ever reached the high airspace. Iran has a hundred US and Israeli nukes aimed at it right now. Iran getting nuclear weapons (legally I might add) would do absolutely nothing to affect any US or close US ally's safety. Don't believe the fearmongering, that's what got us into Iraq.

I hope if we ever sign up to fight for war with Iran you're the first to sign up for it. Don't take after all the pro Iraq war chickenhawks like the voting neoconservatives, Dick Cheney, Bill O'Reilly, George Bush, Sean Hannity, etc who do nothing but cower under beds and cheer on others to die in their place when they want war to happen.

How can Iran develop a nuke legally?

 

[L.K.Eder]

haha, i just read the convo of the last posts.

this is my achilles heal.

you want to rile me?

you want to see me hating US american style

pull this shit, like eagleseven did!

 

[stonewall]

haha, i just read the convo of the last posts.

this is my achilles heal.

you want to rile me?

you want to see me hating US american style

pull this shit, like eagleseven did!

Being that Iran signed on to the NPT, how can they legally develop a nuclear weapon?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not for attacking Iran or anything like that. I'm just trying to figure out how Iran can legally develop a nuke considering the NPT.

 

[Si modo]

Iran's government is trash, but there's 100 governments in the world that are worse.

I'm just going to ignore the attempted similarity connection the other poster tried to make between Nazi Germany and the current Irani government. People will say anything, no matter how crazy, to try and strike emotions in political debates.

If you think the Vietnam War was cool, then you'll like an American led war in Iran. This won't be Iraq where it takes years to reach 1,000 dead American soldiers that will happen every single year we fight it. You think this recession sucks? Wait until you see what happens to our economy if we fight a much larger war than the current sized wars that we can't even afford.

And, just like in Afghanistan/Iraq/Vietnam, this will be another war that we lose. The only way to win a war against Iran is to drop enough nukes to cover every square inch of the ground. The Iranian people are big on independence and they'll fight until the last person takes in their last gasp of air. Plus their military is way better than Iraq's was, hence why they crushed Iraq in the war in the 80's you mentioned. The war where we were giving Saddam chemical weapons, gas, money, other weapons to wage war and kill his own women, children and babies with.

There's nothing stupider (no offense) than wanting war with Iran. We'll gain nothing and lose everything. We can't even win a war against the 3rd poorest 3rd world country (Afghanistan) in 8 years, the Taliban controls more of the country than we do.

I've said as much in other posts, don't get me wrong. I feel the US SHOULD go to war with Iran because, in reality, Iran has been waging war on the US indirectly for decades.

And btw, I also feel the US has done some horrendous things to Iranians since and after 1953. I remember a quote from a senior US official to the UN regarding Saddam's chemical weapons, where he said something along the lines of 'It's a difficult situation. You want Iraq to stop using chemical weapons, but on the other hand... you don't want Iran to win the war!" I mean that is a borderline evil thing to say, and it was the US policy towards Iran.

HOWEVER, I agree that the costs are way too high for this war. I would not support a US or Israeli attack on Iran. My main argument is against people that assume that the attack on Iran would be morally as low as the attack on Iraq. To say so is to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iran.

I agree with what you say about the costs of war, and actually would go further by saying what I've already probably said 10X (and I'm paraphrasing an scholar whose name I can't remember unfortunately): If you were to hold referendums today in the Middle East, every single country with one exception would have a theocratic government like Iran's. The exception is of course Iran itself. If the US were to attack, this reality would change.

But I don't agree with the statement that there are other countries more dangerous than Iran. One, it is in the single most important region of the world, surrounded by allies of the US, controlling or influencing the vast majority of the flow of energy around the world.

Two, it has imperial ambitions. The revolution was from the start meant to be a starting point for the spread of the new Shia empire. On top of that, the rather extreme ethnocentrism and nationalism of Iranians who consider themselves superior to Arabs is just a powderkeg waiting to explode as soon as Iran becomes the single dominant nation in the region. For years Iranians and Russians have been building towards a middle east controlled by Iran and influenced by Russia. It is a very rational consequence of the departure of US influence in the region (and the original reason for US interferance in Iran since thd 1920s).

If North Korea nukes Japan, it would be unbelievably horrendous. But it couldn't damage the entire world economy. If Iran got into a war with its very natural enemy, Saudi Arabia... can you imagine the consequences? The entire world economy would be brought to its knees.

Again, I don't say the US MUST attack. But if we're talking about a country that has to look at its best interests and the interest of its allies in the region (not just Israel), you do have to make the case that the US would not be in the same moral position as it was with Iraq (a country that was not a genuine threat after the first gulf war, and had been tortured through air attacks and sanctions for over a decade).

But Iran has a very advanced ballistic missles industry that, as a military spokesman of the IRI said "manufactures bombs the same way it can manufacture books." It could cause inmense, borderline fatal damage to Israel as well as tens of thousands of bystanding US troops in Southern Iraq. So I understand and generally agree with what you're saying. I'm just not willing to say that it's just another country like Cuba or Lybia, and that the US has no reason to attack.

No offense sir, you sound smart, but this is nothing but drivel. If Iran or North Korea even reached towards the button to launch a nuclear weapon (if they ever have them) the entire country would be blown away before it ever reached the high airspace. Iran has a hundred US and Israeli nukes aimed at it right now. Iran getting nuclear weapons (legally I might add) would do absolutely nothing to affect any US or close US ally's safety. Don't believe the fearmongering, that's what got us into Iraq.

I hope if we ever sign up to fight for war with Iran you're the first to sign up for it. Don't take after all the pro Iraq war chickenhawks like the voting neoconservatives, Dick Cheney, Bill O'Reilly, George Bush, Sean Hannity, etc who do nothing but cower under beds and cheer on others to die in their place when they want war to happen.

Iran legally getting nuclear weapons? What the hell?

 

[eagleseven]

i read "mein kampf", several times, it is available online, and my family did not burn it. it is a shitty book, a really bad read.

I'm glad to hear it. Perhaps you're government could allow publishers to print it, then?

in america you don't recognice your failures of the vietnam war you dont recognize your failures in the afghanistan (soviet and US) war, you certainly don't recognize your failures in the IRAQ war. so you should just shut up your alligator mouth.

You really don't have any grasp of what you are talking about. There have been more books written on Vietnam in American than you could read in a lifetime. Our officers study it at West Point, our students study it at school, and the Democrats invoke it every time something goes wrong internationally. In fact, you could easily argue that World War II is the only war more studied than Vietnam.

If you haven't noticed, Iraq is in good shape, the Iraqi military has control of the country, and so we'll be leaving soon. Afghanistan is a problem, yes.

Americans, however, do not give up in the face of failure. We did not give up after our failure in Netherlands, nor did we give up during the Battle of the Bulge. We kept on fighting until we reached Berlin.

incredible that you try to get some mileage from"mein Kampf" and the way germany had to confront their multiple war crimes.

we can talk again, when bush, cheney, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, rove, rice, yoo and a LOT of others face a war crime tribunal in the HAGUE. but of course we all know this will not happen, because you have to really totally lose a war to face that kind of consequences.

If any foreign country wishes to arrest our leaders, even Obama, they first must defeat us on the field of battle.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v71W_FFW_J0]YouTube - Patton Speech[/ame]

You know. . .

. . .by God, I actually pity those poor
bastards we're going up against.

By God, I do.

We're not just going to shoot
the bastards. . .

. . .we're going to cut out
their living guts. . .

. . .and use them to grease
the treads of our tanks.


We're going to murder those lousy
Hun bastards by the bushel.

 

[L.K.Eder]

haha, i just read the convo of the last posts.

this is my achilles heal.

you want to rile me?

you want to see me hating US american style

pull this shit, like eagleseven did!

Being that Iran signed on to the NPT, how can they legally develop a nuclear weapon?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not for attacking Iran or anything like that. I'm just trying to figure out how Iran can legally develop a nuke considering the NPT.

why are you quoting me for this pedestrian shit?

i am on a whole other aggro planet right now, don't address me if you don't want to get an earful

 

[L.K.Eder]

i read "mein kampf", several times, it is available online, and my family did not burn it. it is a shitty book, a really bad read.

I'm glad to hear it. Perhaps you're government could allow publishers to print it, then?

in america you don't recognice your failures of the vietnam war you dont recognize your failures in the afghanistan (soviet and US) war, you certainly don't recognize your failures in the IRAQ war. so you should just shut up your alligator mouth.

You really don't have any grasp of what you are talking about. There have been more books written on Vietnam in American than you could read in a lifetime. Our officers study it at West Point, our students study it at school, and the Democrats invoke it every time something goes wrong internationally. In fact, you could easily argue that World War II is the only war more studied than Vietnam.

If you haven't noticed, Iraq is in good shape, the Iraqi military has control of the country, and so we'll be leaving soon. Afghanistan is a problem, yes.

Americans, however, do not give up in the face of failure. We did not give up after our failure in Netherlands, nor did we give up during the Battle of the Bulge. We kept on fighting until we reached Berlin.

we can talk again, when bush, cheney, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, rove, rice, yoo and a LOT of others face a war crime tribunal in the HAGUE. but of course we all know this will not happen, because you have to really totally lose a war to face that kind of consequences.

If any foreign country wishes to arrest our leaders, even Obama, they first must defeat us on the field of battle.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v71W_FFW_J0]YouTube - Patton Speech[/ame]

You know. . .

. . .by God, I actually pity those poor
bastards we're going up against.

By God, I do.

We're not just going to shoot
the bastards. . .

. . .we're going to cut out
their living guts. . .

. . .and use them to grease
the treads of our tanks.


We're going to murder those lousy
Hun bastards by the bushel.

you little weasel.

i also read a lot about the vietnam war, your nation is in complete denial, so fuck you.

and why do i put forth this caustic language on a US message board, because of your pathetic attempt to bolster the US supremacy with a PATTTON SPEECH, that i refuse to watch, which exactly validates my point.

only losers of a war get prosecuted. your previous admin is full of war criminals. and the way the afghanistan war is going, the obama admin is implicating itself pretty good.