Time to attack iran

The first world war the Treaty of Versailles the rise to power of hitler was all orchestrated by the same global elite with the zionist elite at the centre. The same people that funded isreal and the same people that want the US to do isreals dirty work.
Is it any Coincidence that the so called axes of evil are all countries that refuse to implement the central banking system.

A group of people did this?

Started WWI.
Ended it with the Treaty of Versailles.
Got rid of the very same treaty by putting Hitler to power.

Yet, hardly no one knows about it?

I say... they are so smart and cunning they deserve world domination. I surrender.
 
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The first world war the Treaty of Versailles the rise to power of hitler was all orchestrated by the same global elite with the zionist elite at the centre. The same people that funded isreal and the same people that want the US to do isreals dirty work.
Is it any Coincidence that the so called axes of evil are all countries that refuse to implement the central banking system.

A group of people did this?

Started WWI.
Ended it with the Treaty of Versailles.
Got rid of the very same treaty by putting Hitler to power.

Yet, hardly no one knows about it?

I say... they are so smart and cunning they deserve world domination. I surrender.

Well the Treaty of Versailles certainly led to Hitler's rise to power. Now that being intentional I don't believe for a minute.
 
The first world war the Treaty of Versailles the rise to power of hitler was all orchestrated by the same global elite with the zionist elite at the centre. The same people that funded isreal and the same people that want the US to do isreals dirty work.
Is it any Coincidence that the so called axes of evil are all countries that refuse to implement the central banking system.


:eusa_boohoo: Soft string melodies are piped into Jodylee's room, because music is said to be good therapy for the emotionally disturbed. And her secured strait jacket protects the rest of us. :eusa_boohoo:
 
What a pleasure, seeing a person in the thread with a mental age over 4- take note Del, shogun, etc.

When did Iran threaten Israel? Please be literal and direct and clear.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pressed for time - but I read that page and mostly it speaks against the notion that Iran has threatened Israel...

See below:

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The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translates the phrase similarly, as "be eliminated from the pages of history."[12]

According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian". Instead, "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[13]


So, like many people - I hope occupation/oppression/etc vanishes from history. Whether or not you believe Israel is an oppressor or not - you would hopefully agree that oppression is wrong no matter hwo does it.

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Also,

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In a September 2008 interview with Juan Gonzalez and Amy Goodman on the radio and television program Democracy Now!, Ahmadinejad was asked: "If the Palestinian leaders agree to a two-state solution, could Iran live with an Israeli state?" and replied

If they [the Palestinians] want to keep the Zionists, they can stay ... Whatever the people decide, we will respect it. I mean, it's very much in correspondence with our proposal to allow Palestinian people to decide through free referendums.[29]

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What you make of his statements may be up to you.

Though I do not believe he has threatened Israel, his statements tend to be 'If we get attacked - we'll fight back' or 'The way that Israel acts should disappear' sort of things, instead of kill the jews or whatever.

Again, you may think Iran ACTS differently, but I think the statements are not threats exactly. I do think Iran is threatened by others though, and fairly often.
 
clearly, you want to see dead jews lying dead in the killing fields of a nuked israel.


fucking antisemite.

:rofl:


Preparing you for Ghook's input.
 
clearly, you want to see dead jews lying dead in the killing fields of a nuked israel.


fucking antisemite.

:rofl:


Preparing you for Ghook's input.

clearly, you want to see dead jews lying dead in the killing fields of a nuked israel.


Loved the book..hated the movie.
 
Here is a great article on why iran needs to be attacked ASAP. Rather than respond emotionally, as have so many here have done recently, I would like to see posters come up with point-by-point responses why Bolton's assessment is inaccurate.

washingtonpost.com

By John R. Bolton
Thursday, July 2, 2009
With Iran's hard-line mullahs and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps unmistakably back in control, Israel's decision of whether to use military force against Tehran's nuclear weapons program is more urgent than ever.

Iran's nuclear threat was never in doubt during its presidential campaign, but the post-election resistance raised the possibility of some sort of regime change. That prospect seems lost for the near future or for at least as long as it will take Iran to finalize a deliverable nuclear weapons capability.

Accordingly, with no other timely option, the already compelling logic for an Israeli strike is nearly inexorable. Israel is undoubtedly ratcheting forward its decision-making process. President Obama is almost certainly not.

He still wants "engagement" (a particularly evocative term now) with Iran's current regime. Last Thursday, the State Department confirmed that Secretary Hillary Clinton spoke to her Russian and Chinese counterparts about "getting Iran back to negotiating on some of these concerns that the international community has." This is precisely the view of Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, reflected in the Group of Eight communique the next day. Sen. John Kerry thinks the recent election unpleasantness in Tehran will delay negotiations for only a few weeks.

Obama administration sources have opined (anonymously) that Iran will be more eager to negotiate than it was before its election in order to find "acceptance" by the "international community." Some leaks indicated that negotiations had to produce results by the U.N. General Assembly's opening in late September, while others projected that they had until the end of 2009 to show progress. These gauzy scenarios assume that the Tehran regime cares about "acceptance" or is somehow embarrassed by eliminating its enemies. Both propositions are dubious.

Obama will nonetheless attempt to jump-start bilateral negotiations with Iran, though time is running out even under the timetables leaked to the media. There are two problems with this approach. First, Tehran isn't going to negotiate in good faith. It hasn't for the past six years with the European Union as our surrogates, and it won't start now. As Clinton said on Tuesday, Iran has "a huge credibility gap" because of its electoral fraud. Second, given Iran's nuclear progress, even if the stronger sanctions Obama has threatened could be agreed upon, they would not prevent Iran from fabricating weapons and delivery systems when it chooses, as it has been striving to do for the past 20 years. Time is too short, and sanctions failed long ago.

Only those most theologically committed to negotiation still believe Iran will fully renounce its nuclear program. Unfortunately, the Obama administration has a "Plan B," which would allow Iran to have a "peaceful" civil nuclear power program while publicly "renouncing" the objective of nuclear weapons. Obama would define such an outcome as "success," even though in reality it would hardly be different from what Iran is doing and saying now. A "peaceful" uranium enrichment program, "peaceful" reactors such as Bushehr and "peaceful" heavy-water projects like that under construction at Arak leave Iran with an enormous breakout capability to produce nuclear weapons in very short order. And anyone who believes the Revolutionary Guard Corps will abandon its weaponization and ballistic missile programs probably believes that there was no fraud in Iran's June 12 election. See "huge credibility gap," supra.

In short, the stolen election and its tumultuous aftermath have dramatically highlighted the strategic and tactical flaws in Obama's game plan. With regime change off the table for the coming critical period in Iran's nuclear program, Israel's decision on using force is both easier and more urgent. Since there is no likelihood that diplomacy will start or finish in time, or even progress far enough to make any real difference, there is no point waiting for negotiations to play out. In fact, given the near certainty of Obama changing his definition of "success," negotiations represent an even more dangerous trap for Israel.

Those who oppose Iran acquiring nuclear weapons are left in the near term with only the option of targeted military force against its weapons facilities. Significantly, the uprising in Iran also makes it more likely that an effective public diplomacy campaign could be waged in the country to explain to Iranians that such an attack is directed against the regime, not against the Iranian people. This was always true, but it has become even more important to make this case emphatically, when the gulf between the Islamic revolution of 1979 and the citizens of Iran has never been clearer or wider. Military action against Iran's nuclear program and the ultimate goal of regime change can be worked together consistently.

Otherwise, be prepared for an Iran with nuclear weapons, which some, including Obama advisers, believe could be contained and deterred. That is not a hypothesis we should seek to test in the real world. The cost of error could be fatal.

The writer, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, was U.S. ambassador to the United Nations from August 2005 to December 2006 and is the author of "Surrender Is Not an Option: Defending America at the United Nations and Abroad."

Just nuke that fucking country.
 
Here is a great article on why iran needs to be attacked ASAP. Rather than respond emotionally, as have so many here have done recently, I would like to see posters come up with point-by-point responses why Bolton's assessment is inaccurate.

washingtonpost.com

By John R. Bolton
Thursday, July 2, 2009
With Iran's hard-line mullahs and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps unmistakably back in control, Israel's decision of whether to use military force against Tehran's nuclear weapons program is more urgent than ever.

Iran's nuclear threat was never in doubt during its presidential campaign, but the post-election resistance raised the possibility of some sort of regime change. That prospect seems lost for the near future or for at least as long as it will take Iran to finalize a deliverable nuclear weapons capability.

Accordingly, with no other timely option, the already compelling logic for an Israeli strike is nearly inexorable. Israel is undoubtedly ratcheting forward its decision-making process. President Obama is almost certainly not.

He still wants "engagement" (a particularly evocative term now) with Iran's current regime. Last Thursday, the State Department confirmed that Secretary Hillary Clinton spoke to her Russian and Chinese counterparts about "getting Iran back to negotiating on some of these concerns that the international community has." This is precisely the view of Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, reflected in the Group of Eight communique the next day. Sen. John Kerry thinks the recent election unpleasantness in Tehran will delay negotiations for only a few weeks.

Obama administration sources have opined (anonymously) that Iran will be more eager to negotiate than it was before its election in order to find "acceptance" by the "international community." Some leaks indicated that negotiations had to produce results by the U.N. General Assembly's opening in late September, while others projected that they had until the end of 2009 to show progress. These gauzy scenarios assume that the Tehran regime cares about "acceptance" or is somehow embarrassed by eliminating its enemies. Both propositions are dubious.

Obama will nonetheless attempt to jump-start bilateral negotiations with Iran, though time is running out even under the timetables leaked to the media. There are two problems with this approach. First, Tehran isn't going to negotiate in good faith. It hasn't for the past six years with the European Union as our surrogates, and it won't start now. As Clinton said on Tuesday, Iran has "a huge credibility gap" because of its electoral fraud. Second, given Iran's nuclear progress, even if the stronger sanctions Obama has threatened could be agreed upon, they would not prevent Iran from fabricating weapons and delivery systems when it chooses, as it has been striving to do for the past 20 years. Time is too short, and sanctions failed long ago.

Only those most theologically committed to negotiation still believe Iran will fully renounce its nuclear program. Unfortunately, the Obama administration has a "Plan B," which would allow Iran to have a "peaceful" civil nuclear power program while publicly "renouncing" the objective of nuclear weapons. Obama would define such an outcome as "success," even though in reality it would hardly be different from what Iran is doing and saying now. A "peaceful" uranium enrichment program, "peaceful" reactors such as Bushehr and "peaceful" heavy-water projects like that under construction at Arak leave Iran with an enormous breakout capability to produce nuclear weapons in very short order. And anyone who believes the Revolutionary Guard Corps will abandon its weaponization and ballistic missile programs probably believes that there was no fraud in Iran's June 12 election. See "huge credibility gap," supra.

In short, the stolen election and its tumultuous aftermath have dramatically highlighted the strategic and tactical flaws in Obama's game plan. With regime change off the table for the coming critical period in Iran's nuclear program, Israel's decision on using force is both easier and more urgent. Since there is no likelihood that diplomacy will start or finish in time, or even progress far enough to make any real difference, there is no point waiting for negotiations to play out. In fact, given the near certainty of Obama changing his definition of "success," negotiations represent an even more dangerous trap for Israel.

Those who oppose Iran acquiring nuclear weapons are left in the near term with only the option of targeted military force against its weapons facilities. Significantly, the uprising in Iran also makes it more likely that an effective public diplomacy campaign could be waged in the country to explain to Iranians that such an attack is directed against the regime, not against the Iranian people. This was always true, but it has become even more important to make this case emphatically, when the gulf between the Islamic revolution of 1979 and the citizens of Iran has never been clearer or wider. Military action against Iran's nuclear program and the ultimate goal of regime change can be worked together consistently.

Otherwise, be prepared for an Iran with nuclear weapons, which some, including Obama advisers, believe could be contained and deterred. That is not a hypothesis we should seek to test in the real world. The cost of error could be fatal.

The writer, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, was U.S. ambassador to the United Nations from August 2005 to December 2006 and is the author of "Surrender Is Not an Option: Defending America at the United Nations and Abroad."

Just nuke that fucking country.

Then... can we nuke the churches here in the USA? Let's get rid of all of the fucked up fundimentalists... fear mongering ...war mongering assholes at the same time.
 
Iran SHOULD be attacked. And regime change SHOULD take place ASAP. But the price to be paid by Israel, the US, and the rest of the world would be far too great for it to be a legitimate option.
 
Iran SHOULD be attacked. And regime change SHOULD take place ASAP.
Why????

Off the top of my head, for the benefit of Iranians themselves:

it is a brutal govenment to its own people
it has reversed years of progress under the Shah
Bilions of dollars of oil money consistently disappear into the pockets of the mullahs
It is a regime that executes children in the most sadistic way
It has very little support from its own people
It criminalizes moral beliefs such as homosexuality, shaking a woman's hand, revealing hair
It refuses to install a democracy which people in Iran have been fighting for since 1904

And for the rest of the world:

It supports terrorists all around the world
It has killed Americans and Frenchmen in Lebanon
Even when reformists such as president Khatami tried to open dialogue with the US, it clamped down
When Larijani (who is even somewhat of a conservative) accepted diplomatic terms offered by the US, he was refused by the supreme leader and Ahmedinejad
Although it is not anti-semitic in the way presented in the media, it nonetheless seeks
confrontation with Israel for political dominance over the middle east

But most importantly:

If war does not happen now, a much more powerful government will take power and clamp down further on its own people as well as its neighbors.
 
No...seriously...The tralfamdorians kidnaped Miss Montana and Billy and made them have sex on national TV or whatever the fuck the Tralfamdorians watch. Disgusting!

And..they kept em in a dome that was a clear rip off from some Californian commie cult.

Maybe there is a commie connection? Did you ever think of that? And..how about that when Miss Montana finally showed up she was corrupt and was turned into a ho for Lex Luthur in The Superman movie!

Who has Iran made to have sex on national TV? NO ONE! I think I've made my point quite clearly!
 
No...seriously...The tralfamdorians kidnaped Miss Montana and Billy and made them have sex on national TV or whatever the fuck the Tralfamdorians watch. Disgusting!

And..they kept em in a dome that was a clear rip off from some Californian commie cult.

Maybe there is a commie connection? Did you ever think of that? And..how about that when Miss Montana finally showed up she was corrupt and was turned into a ho for Lex Luthur in The Superman movie!

Who has Iran made to have sex on national TV? NO ONE! I think I've made my point quite clearly!
Huggy, your post makes TWICE as much sense as Half Loon's post :eusa_angel:
 
No...seriously...The tralfamdorians kidnaped Miss Montana and Billy and made them have sex on national TV or whatever the fuck the Tralfamdorians watch. Disgusting!

And..they kept em in a dome that was a clear rip off from some Californian commie cult.

Maybe there is a commie connection? Did you ever think of that? And..how about that when Miss Montana finally showed up she was corrupt and was turned into a ho for Lex Luthur in The Superman movie!

Who has Iran made to have sex on national TV? NO ONE! I think I've made my point quite clearly!
Huggy, your post makes TWICE as much sense as Half Loon's post :eusa_angel:

Go ahead and spoof! Those Tralfamadorian fuckers almost highjacked one of my favorite movies..Slaughter House 5 :eek:
 
No...seriously...The tralfamdorians kidnaped Miss Montana and Billy and made them have sex on national TV or whatever the fuck the Tralfamdorians watch. Disgusting!

And..they kept em in a dome that was a clear rip off from some Californian commie cult.

Maybe there is a commie connection? Did you ever think of that? And..how about that when Miss Montana finally showed up she was corrupt and was turned into a ho for Lex Luthur in The Superman movie!

Who has Iran made to have sex on national TV? NO ONE! I think I've made my point quite clearly!
Huggy, your post makes TWICE as much sense as Half Loon's post :eusa_angel:

Go ahead and spoof! Those Tralfamadorian fuckers almost highjacked one of my favorite movies..Slaughter House 5 :eek:
I believe that somehow the Jews were involved.

I saw the Nazis there, so there must have been a Jew hiding behind a rock or tree!!!
 
I suppose my post doesn't make much sense... you appear to be well informed about Iran, so I'll leave you be with your opinion
 
Iran SHOULD be attacked. And regime change SHOULD take place ASAP. But the price to be paid by Israel, the US, and the rest of the world would be far too great for it to be a legitimate option.

Let me guess... you think we can't afford health care of things that keep the economy going, but you're all for spending another 200 billion on another war of choice fought from a third front?

No... we shouldn't attack Iran. It isn't our place to change anyone's regime because we don't like them. And in this particular case, the regime will change on it's own if we stay the heck out of it, because the younger Irani's are getting very tired of this.

But any change can't have to do with the U.S. b/c that will delegitimize it.
 
Iran SHOULD be attacked. And regime change SHOULD take place ASAP. But the price to be paid by Israel, the US, and the rest of the world would be far too great for it to be a legitimate option.

Let me guess... you think we can't afford health care of things that keep the economy going, but you're all for spending another 200 billion on another war of choice fought from a third front?

No... we shouldn't attack Iran. It isn't our place to change anyone's regime because we don't like them. And in this particular case, the regime will change on it's own if we stay the heck out of it, because the younger Irani's are getting very tired of this.

But any change can't have to do with the U.S. b/c that will delegitimize it.

I have to emphasize that the latter part of my statement describes my leanings more than the "should attack" part

the price paid, in both human (mainly human) and economic losses is too great

but the regime in power in Iran is not to be taken lightly as a creation of Republican propaganda... it is genuinely corrupt and evil, and is not looking out for the interests of its own people.

and I'm affraid that, as optimistic as I would like to be about the people overthrowing the government, it will most likely not happen... the only outcome of the recent turmoil has been the clearing out of moderates from positions of power and the elimination of Rafsanjani's influence. There is a very rapid shift to the right going on right now, and young Tehranis are very much outnumbered by young people outside the capital who support Ahmedinejad
 
Iran SHOULD be attacked. And regime change SHOULD take place ASAP.
Why????

Off the top of my head, for the benefit of Iranians themselves:

it is a brutal govenment to its own people
it has reversed years of progress under the Shah
Bilions of dollars of oil money consistently disappear into the pockets of the mullahs
It is a regime that executes children in the most sadistic way
It has very little support from its own people
It criminalizes moral beliefs such as homosexuality, shaking a woman's hand, revealing hair
It refuses to install a democracy which people in Iran have been fighting for since 1904

And for the rest of the world:

It supports terrorists all around the world
It has killed Americans and Frenchmen in Lebanon
Even when reformists such as president Khatami tried to open dialogue with the US, it clamped down
When Larijani (who is even somewhat of a conservative) accepted diplomatic terms offered by the US, he was refused by the supreme leader and Ahmedinejad
Although it is not anti-semitic in the way presented in the media, it nonetheless seeks
confrontation with Israel for political dominance over the middle east

But most importantly:

If war does not happen now, a much more powerful government will take power and clamp down further on its own people as well as its neighbors.


I think it a bad idea to war with Iran.

If anything we should be pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Get out of the Persian Gulf. Etc..

Iranians have proven that they can revolt against their government and take it down, 1979 proved that.

As far as their nuclear program goes, of course they are developing nukes. But, we cannot stop that by blowing things up. We might be able to delay their program a bit but then eventually they will have it anyway.

Plus Obama is not going to attack Iran. No way.

The world is just gonna have to get used to an Iranian regime with nukes.
 
I think the most important factor is Israel's frustrations with Iran and how far it would be willing to go to get rid of Iran's influence

A nuclear weapon is not the primary problem. Iran backs Hezbollah and Hamas, and the Lebanon war ruined Israel's reputation in the West and frankly humiliated the country that claims to be infinitely more powerful than its neighbours. Israel knows it can't possibly get rid of those smaller groups that resist it in Lebanon and Palestine unless it cuts off the funds and aid coming from Iran (though I guess Hezbollah is now more and more independently financed)

So I really don't see confrontation as an "if" but as a "when." In an ideal world we would have leaders that cared about the well-being of mankind, but sadly the decision makers in this situation are a bunch of religious lunatics in Qom and in-bred bankers in New York...

War will happen eventually unless the Iranian government is toppled from within... and a more militaristic Iran is likely to grow out of the current situation.
 
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