Time to attack iran

[eagleseven]

you little weasel.

i also read a lot about the vietnam war, your nation is in complete denial, so fuck you.

and why do i put forth this caustic language on a US message board, because of your pathetic attempt to bolster the US supremacy with a PATTTON SPEECH, that i refuse to watch, which exactly validates my point.

only losers of a war get prosecuted. your previous admin is full of war criminals. and the way the afghanistan war is going, the obama admin is implicating itself pretty good.

As your rockstar put it...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w9EksAo5hY]YouTube - Rammstein-Amerika[/ame]

While not a love song for you or Mr. Lindemann, it is romantic music to my ears...

 

[Si modo]

i read "mein kampf", several times, it is available online, and my family did not burn it. it is a shitty book, a really bad read.

I'm glad to hear it. Perhaps you're government could allow publishers to print it, then?

in america you don't recognice your failures of the vietnam war you dont recognize your failures in the afghanistan (soviet and US) war, you certainly don't recognize your failures in the IRAQ war. so you should just shut up your alligator mouth.

You really don't have any grasp of what you are talking about. There have been more books written on Vietnam in American than you could read in a lifetime. Our officers study it at West Point, our students study it at school, and the Democrats invoke it every time something goes wrong internationally. In fact, you could easily argue that World War II is the only war more studied than Vietnam.

If you haven't noticed, Iraq is in good shape, the Iraqi military has control of the country, and so we'll be leaving soon. Afghanistan is a problem, yes.

Americans, however, do not give up in the face of failure. We did not give up after our failure in Netherlands, nor did we give up during the Battle of the Bulge. We kept on fighting until we reached Berlin.

we can talk again, when bush, cheney, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, rove, rice, yoo and a LOT of others face a war crime tribunal in the HAGUE. but of course we all know this will not happen, because you have to really totally lose a war to face that kind of consequences.

If any foreign country wishes to arrest our leaders, even Obama, they first must defeat us on the field of battle.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v71W_FFW_J0]YouTube - Patton Speech[/ame]

You know. . .

. . .by God, I actually pity those poor
bastards we're going up against.

By God, I do.

We're not just going to shoot
the bastards. . .

. . .we're going to cut out
their living guts. . .

. . .and use them to grease
the treads of our tanks.


We're going to murder those lousy
Hun bastards by the bushel.

Love the montage. Good choice, E7. And I like the actual scene, too. So let's have both going.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5cb_1178900597&p=1

 

[L.K.Eder]

you little weasel.

i also read a lot about the vietnam war, your nation is in complete denial, so fuck you.

and why do i put forth this caustic language on a US message board, because of your pathetic attempt to bolster the US supremacy with a PATTTON SPEECH, that i refuse to watch, which exactly validates my point.

only losers of a war get prosecuted. your previous admin is full of war criminals. and the way the afghanistan war is going, the obama admin is implicating itself pretty good.

As your rockstar put it...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w9EksAo5hY]YouTube - Rammstein-Amerika[/ame]

While not a love song for you or Mr. Lindemann, it is romantic music to my ears...

so you got nothing, huh?

just tell me that you are just going for the humorous kill, i bared my throat, i even mis-spelled the achilles heel-

and now you try to give me a VIDEO OF RAMMSTEIN!

i am also hearing "don't fuck with me" by lil jon.


yeah, and stay away from any historical lesson administered by an american "think" tank.

 

[L.K.Eder]

i also remember challenging eagleseven on the history of german socialist parties, where he never answered.


eagleseven should do what he does best, posting pics of thai tom boys.!!

 

[Si modo]

Hey E7, do you know of a battle the USA lost during the Viet Nam war?

 

[eagleseven]

so you got nothing, huh?

just tell me that you are just going for the humorous kill, i bared my throat, i even mis-spelled the achilles heel-

Why should I dispute your acknowledgment of American supremacy? I agree, America is supreme.

and now you try to give me a VIDEO OF RAMMSTEIN!

That video makes me ROFL every time...

i am also hearing "don't fuck with me" by lil jon.

I must admit, I prefer American rock...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sg6r0sHg5M"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sg6r0sHg5M[/ame]

yeah, and stay away from any historical lesson administered by an american "think" tank.

And I'm supposed to believe der Smigle....I mean der Spiegel?

Looks the same to me...

 

[Si modo]

i also remember challenging eagleseven on the history of german socialist parties, where he never answered.


eagleseven should do what he does best, posting pics of thai tom boys.!!

This German socialist party?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IYVkJCfPwc]YouTube - Night and Fog 7/8[/ame]

 

[eagleseven]

Hey E7, do you know of a battle the USA lost during the Viet Nam war?

The only battle lost was in the Congressional Chambers...

 

[L.K.Eder]

hey, eagleseven and si modo combined would actually make a good nazi, just without the honor and courage compartment.

 

[Si modo]

Hey E7, do you know of a battle the USA lost during the Viet Nam war?

The only battle lost was in the Congressional Chambers...

That's sorta what I thought.

Now, this USSR/USA/Afgahnistan question. IIRC, the USSR lost that one. IIRC, the USA never even had boots on the ground for that. Am I missing something?

 

[L.K.Eder]

Hey E7, do you know of a battle the USA lost during the Viet Nam war?

The only battle lost was in the Congressional Chambers...

That's sorta what I thought.

Now, this USSR/USA/Afgahnistan question. IIRC, the USSR lost that one. IIRC, the USA never even had boots on the ground for that. Am I missing something?

yes you are missing something.

 

[Si modo]

hey, eagleseven and si modo combined would actually make a good nazi, just without the honor and courage compartment.

I don't mind. Gassing Jews is an honor I can live without. You're welcome to that courage!

 

[Si modo]

The only battle lost was in the Congressional Chambers...

That's sorta what I thought.

Now, this USSR/USA/Afgahnistan question. IIRC, the USSR lost that one. IIRC, the USA never even had boots on the ground for that. Am I missing something?

yes you are missing something.

Do tell?

 

[L.K.Eder]

hey, eagleseven and si modo combined would actually make a good nazi, just without the honor and courage compartment.

I don't mind. Gassing Jews is an honor I can live without. You're welcome to that courage!

that was the only part that made you respond. you get no quarter, and you will not get re-enforcements with your pathetic german bashing. you think that is subtle.

i advise you to read more of my posts, esp. in this thread.

 

[eots]

Here is a great article on why iran needs to be attacked ASAP. Rather than respond emotionally, as have so many here have done recently, I would like to see posters come up with point-by-point responses why Bolton's assessment is inaccurate.

washingtonpost.com

By John R. Bolton
Thursday, July 2, 2009
With Iran's hard-line mullahs and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps unmistakably back in control, Israel's decision of whether to use military force against Tehran's nuclear weapons program is more urgent than ever.

Iran's nuclear threat was never in doubt during its presidential campaign, but the post-election resistance raised the possibility of some sort of regime change. That prospect seems lost for the near future or for at least as long as it will take Iran to finalize a deliverable nuclear weapons capability.

Accordingly, with no other timely option, the already compelling logic for an Israeli strike is nearly inexorable. Israel is undoubtedly ratcheting forward its decision-making process. President Obama is almost certainly not.

He still wants "engagement" (a particularly evocative term now) with Iran's current regime. Last Thursday, the State Department confirmed that Secretary Hillary Clinton spoke to her Russian and Chinese counterparts about "getting Iran back to negotiating on some of these concerns that the international community has." This is precisely the view of Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, reflected in the Group of Eight communique the next day. Sen. John Kerry thinks the recent election unpleasantness in Tehran will delay negotiations for only a few weeks.

Obama administration sources have opined (anonymously) that Iran will be more eager to negotiate than it was before its election in order to find "acceptance" by the "international community." Some leaks indicated that negotiations had to produce results by the U.N. General Assembly's opening in late September, while others projected that they had until the end of 2009 to show progress. These gauzy scenarios assume that the Tehran regime cares about "acceptance" or is somehow embarrassed by eliminating its enemies. Both propositions are dubious.

Obama will nonetheless attempt to jump-start bilateral negotiations with Iran, though time is running out even under the timetables leaked to the media. There are two problems with this approach. First, Tehran isn't going to negotiate in good faith. It hasn't for the past six years with the European Union as our surrogates, and it won't start now. As Clinton said on Tuesday, Iran has "a huge credibility gap" because of its electoral fraud. Second, given Iran's nuclear progress, even if the stronger sanctions Obama has threatened could be agreed upon, they would not prevent Iran from fabricating weapons and delivery systems when it chooses, as it has been striving to do for the past 20 years. Time is too short, and sanctions failed long ago.

Only those most theologically committed to negotiation still believe Iran will fully renounce its nuclear program. Unfortunately, the Obama administration has a "Plan B," which would allow Iran to have a "peaceful" civil nuclear power program while publicly "renouncing" the objective of nuclear weapons. Obama would define such an outcome as "success," even though in reality it would hardly be different from what Iran is doing and saying now. A "peaceful" uranium enrichment program, "peaceful" reactors such as Bushehr and "peaceful" heavy-water projects like that under construction at Arak leave Iran with an enormous breakout capability to produce nuclear weapons in very short order. And anyone who believes the Revolutionary Guard Corps will abandon its weaponization and ballistic missile programs probably believes that there was no fraud in Iran's June 12 election. See "huge credibility gap," supra.

In short, the stolen election and its tumultuous aftermath have dramatically highlighted the strategic and tactical flaws in Obama's game plan. With regime change off the table for the coming critical period in Iran's nuclear program, Israel's decision on using force is both easier and more urgent. Since there is no likelihood that diplomacy will start or finish in time, or even progress far enough to make any real difference, there is no point waiting for negotiations to play out. In fact, given the near certainty of Obama changing his definition of "success," negotiations represent an even more dangerous trap for Israel.

Those who oppose Iran acquiring nuclear weapons are left in the near term with only the option of targeted military force against its weapons facilities. Significantly, the uprising in Iran also makes it more likely that an effective public diplomacy campaign could be waged in the country to explain to Iranians that such an attack is directed against the regime, not against the Iranian people. This was always true, but it has become even more important to make this case emphatically, when the gulf between the Islamic revolution of 1979 and the citizens of Iran has never been clearer or wider. Military action against Iran's nuclear program and the ultimate goal of regime change can be worked together consistently.

Otherwise, be prepared for an Iran with nuclear weapons, which some, including Obama advisers, believe could be contained and deterred. That is not a hypothesis we should seek to test in the real world. The cost of error could be fatal.

The writer, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, was U.S. ambassador to the United Nations from August 2005 to December 2006 and is the author of "Surrender Is Not an Option: Defending America at the United Nations and Abroad."

ok you go first...we will join you later...

 

[Si modo]

hey, eagleseven and si modo combined would actually make a good nazi, just without the honor and courage compartment.

I don't mind. Gassing Jews is an honor I can live without. You're welcome to that courage!

that was the only part that made you respond. you get no quarter, and you will not get re-enforcements with your pathetic german bashing. you think that is subtle.

i advise you to read more of my posts, esp. in this thread.

Oh, I don't mind Germans at all. I just hate fucking Nazis.

 

[L.K.Eder]

I don't mind. Gassing Jews is an honor I can live without. You're welcome to that courage!

that was the only part that made you respond. you get no quarter, and you will not get re-enforcements with your pathetic german bashing. you think that is subtle.

i advise you to read more of my posts, esp. in this thread.

Oh, I don't mind Germans at all. I just hate fucking Nazis.

now look, and there we find common ground.

 

[eagleseven]

hey, eagleseven and si modo combined would actually make a good nazi, just without the honor and courage compartment.

You know, a Scotsman once said the same thing? Unfortunately, I have this thing against genocide.

In other words, I love my Jews. Including my old roommate and friends in the Israel Defense Force.


Si, remember Chocobot? He would get along quite well with LK here...

 

[eagleseven]

Oh, I don't mind Germans at all. I just hate fucking Nazis.

I don't know about you, but I couldn't live without my wiener schnitzel and knöpfle.

 

[Si modo]

hey, eagleseven and si modo combined would actually make a good nazi, just without the honor and courage compartment.

You know, a Scotsman once said the same thing? Unfortunately, I have this thing against genocide.

In other words, I love my Jews. Including my old roommate and friends in the Israel Defense Force.


Si, remember Chocobot? He would get along quite well with LK here...

Oh God...say it isn't so. KD and the pastey Scotsman have the same attitude? Aaaaaaarrrrrrrggggghhhhhh! Please at least tell me that KD has a brain? Please?