Time To Admit That 'Liberal'...

[BlindBoo]

The PROOF of the pudding is the position in global affairs this nation achieved under CONSERVATIVE leadership.

FDR was a Conservative? I think PC might have an issue with that. Conservatives declined our voice in global affairs when they rejected our position in the League of Nations and stuck to the isolationist policies of the past.

Your side wants ti transform it into a Democracy with rule by the majority. Just the opposite of what you're preaching.

Yet Trumpybear wants just that in the Senate.

You accuse the founding Conservative (by today's standards) right of an unwillingness to be flexible and change, and yet these are the same people who wrote the Constitution EXACTLY guaranteeing that and proclaiming ALL MEN WERE CREATED EQUAL

Seriously? The only time Cato mentions the FF in the quoted statement was "This vision brings the wisdom of the American Founders to bear on the problems of today. As did the Founders, it looks to the future with optimism and excitement, eager to discover what great things women and men will do in the coming century."

 

[PoliticalChic]

...is spelled s-o-c-i-a-l-i-s-t.

And that's not American.


1. Those of us who have studied history have been saying it all along.
Socialists are, colloquially and correctly called Liberals...or, Modern Liberals if you prefer.

Communist John Dewey persuaded the Socialist Party to steal the name Liberal, and their control of the media has cemented the term for them....much as they now call their homes 'Blue States' when communists, socialists, anarchists have always been represented as 'Red.'



Classical Liberals, called conservatives today, and the Founders, stood for
individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


The Leftists called Liberals stand for something quite different:
the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.




2. "Socialism had the lowest percentage positive rating and the highest negative rating of any term tested. Still, more than a third of Americans say they have a positive image of socialism.

Exactly how Americans define "socialism" or what exactly they think of when they hear the word is not known. The research simply measures Americans' reactions when a survey interviewer reads the word to them -- an exercise that helps shed light on connotations associated with this frequently used term.

There are significant differences in reactions to "socialism" across ideological and partisan groups:

· A majority of 53% of Democrats have a positive image of socialism, compared to 17% of Republicans.

· Sixty-one percent of liberals say their image of socialism is positive, compared to 39% of moderates and 20% of conservatives."
Socialism Viewed Positively by 36% of Americans


3. "Democrats see major upset as socialist beats top-ranking US congressman
Joe Crowley, 10-term Democrat expected to be party’s next House leader, loses to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 28, in New York

• Ocasio-Cortez: who is the new progressive star of the Democrats?" Democrats see major upset as socialist beats top-ranking US congressman

4. And lots of Democrats voted for full-bore Communist, Bernie Sanders.




This is who you are if you vote Democrat.
You're certainly not American.

How do you know I'm not a classical liberal?
Doesn't fit your made up mind?
Read Russell?
Dumb people have no doubts, people with a few brains always have doubts

You have no idea how heavy a burden on me it is to never be wrong.

You'll never have to bear that burden.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's cut to the chase: do you vote Democrat, and, if so, are you ready to admit that you're a socialist?

So your trying to say that 65 million voters are socialist?

Sooo....you don't care to answer the question?

I believe you've inadvertently answered the question.


Glad you're embarrassed.

Never said I would answer a second one. My inference stands.

I'm perfectly copacetic with leaving the obvious conclusion of your refusal to answer.

Sooo....why are you back?

Copacetic? Ooooohhh

Glad to have taught you a new word.

 

[BlindBoo]

No.

Today, those who subscribe to the principles of the American Revolution — individual liberty, limited government, the free market, and the rule of law — call themselves by a variety of terms, including conservative, libertarian, classical liberal, and liberal. We see problems with all of those terms. "Conservative" smacks of an unwillingness to change, of a desire to preserve the status quo. Only in America do people seem to refer to free-market capitalism — the most progressive, dynamic, and ever-changing system the world has ever known — as conservative. Additionally, many contemporary American conservatives favor state intervention in some areas, most notably in trade and into our private lives.

"Classical liberal" is a bit closer to the mark, but the word "classical" fails to capture the contemporary vibrancy of the ideas of freedom.

"Liberal" may well be the perfect word in most of the world — the liberals in societies from China to Iran to South Africa to Argentina tend to be supporters of human rights and free markets — but its meaning has clearly been altered in the contemporary United States.

The Jeffersonian philosophy that animates Cato's work has increasingly come to be called "libertarianism" or "market liberalism." It combines an appreciation for entrepreneurship, the market process, and lower taxes with strict respect for civil liberties and skepticism about the benefits of both the welfare state and foreign military adventurism.

This vision brings the wisdom of the American Founders to bear on the problems of today. As did the Founders, it looks to the future with optimism and excitement, eager to discover what great things women and men will do in the coming century. Market liberals appreciate the complexity of a great society, recognizing that socialism and government planning are just too clumsy for the modern world. It is — or used to be — the conventional wisdom that a more complex society needs more government, but the truth is just the opposite. The simpler the society, the less damage government planning does. Planning is cumbersome in an agricultural society, costly in an industrial economy, and impossible in the information age. Today collectivism and planning are outmoded and backward, a drag on social progress.

Libertarians have a cosmopolitan, inclusive vision for society. We applaud the progressive extension of the promises of the Declaration of Independence to more people, especially to women, African-Americans, religious minorities, and gay and lesbian people. Our greatest challenge today is to continue to extend the promise of political freedom and economic opportunity to those who are still denied it, in our own country and around the world.

Cato's Mission

Let's cut to the chase: do you vote Democrat, and, if so, are you ready to admit that you're a socialist?

So your trying to say that 65 million voters are socialist?

Sooo....you don't care to answer the question?

I believe you've inadvertently answered the question.


Glad you're embarrassed.

Never said I would answer a second one. My inference stands.

I'm perfectly copacetic with leaving the obvious conclusion of your refusal to answer.

Sooo....why are you back?

The conclusion that you think every democrat voter is a socialist is obvious regardless of which party, if any, I voted for.

 

[mudwhistle]

...is spelled s-o-c-i-a-l-i-s-t.

And that's not American.


1. Those of us who have studied history have been saying it all along.
Socialists are, colloquially and correctly called Liberals...or, Modern Liberals if you prefer.

Communist John Dewey persuaded the Socialist Party to steal the name Liberal, and their control of the media has cemented the term for them....much as they now call their homes 'Blue States' when communists, socialists, anarchists have always been represented as 'Red.'



Classical Liberals, called conservatives today, and the Founders, stood for
individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


The Leftists called Liberals stand for something quite different:
the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.




2. "Socialism had the lowest percentage positive rating and the highest negative rating of any term tested. Still, more than a third of Americans say they have a positive image of socialism.

Exactly how Americans define "socialism" or what exactly they think of when they hear the word is not known. The research simply measures Americans' reactions when a survey interviewer reads the word to them -- an exercise that helps shed light on connotations associated with this frequently used term.

There are significant differences in reactions to "socialism" across ideological and partisan groups:

· A majority of 53% of Democrats have a positive image of socialism, compared to 17% of Republicans.

· Sixty-one percent of liberals say their image of socialism is positive, compared to 39% of moderates and 20% of conservatives."
Socialism Viewed Positively by 36% of Americans


3. "Democrats see major upset as socialist beats top-ranking US congressman
Joe Crowley, 10-term Democrat expected to be party’s next House leader, loses to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 28, in New York

• Ocasio-Cortez: who is the new progressive star of the Democrats?" Democrats see major upset as socialist beats top-ranking US congressman

4. And lots of Democrats voted for full-bore Communist, Bernie Sanders.




This is who you are if you vote Democrat.
You're certainly not American.

8 years ago they were afraid to admit they were socialists.

Eventually they'll have the courage to admit they are communists.

and what makes them socialist or communist?

Who the hell cares? They are collectivists, they are all ice cream with minor differences in flavor.

A church is a collective does that make them bad?

Only if they try to become a government theocracy.

 

[Moonglow]

...is spelled s-o-c-i-a-l-i-s-t.

And that's not American.


1. Those of us who have studied history have been saying it all along.
Socialists are, colloquially and correctly called Liberals...or, Modern Liberals if you prefer.

Communist John Dewey persuaded the Socialist Party to steal the name Liberal, and their control of the media has cemented the term for them....much as they now call their homes 'Blue States' when communists, socialists, anarchists have always been represented as 'Red.'



Classical Liberals, called conservatives today, and the Founders, stood for
individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


The Leftists called Liberals stand for something quite different:
the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.




2. "Socialism had the lowest percentage positive rating and the highest negative rating of any term tested. Still, more than a third of Americans say they have a positive image of socialism.

Exactly how Americans define "socialism" or what exactly they think of when they hear the word is not known. The research simply measures Americans' reactions when a survey interviewer reads the word to them -- an exercise that helps shed light on connotations associated with this frequently used term.

There are significant differences in reactions to "socialism" across ideological and partisan groups:

· A majority of 53% of Democrats have a positive image of socialism, compared to 17% of Republicans.

· Sixty-one percent of liberals say their image of socialism is positive, compared to 39% of moderates and 20% of conservatives."
Socialism Viewed Positively by 36% of Americans


3. "Democrats see major upset as socialist beats top-ranking US congressman
Joe Crowley, 10-term Democrat expected to be party’s next House leader, loses to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 28, in New York

• Ocasio-Cortez: who is the new progressive star of the Democrats?" Democrats see major upset as socialist beats top-ranking US congressman

4. And lots of Democrats voted for full-bore Communist, Bernie Sanders.




This is who you are if you vote Democrat.
You're certainly not American.

How do you know I'm not a classical liberal?
Doesn't fit your made up mind?
Read Russell?
Dumb people have no doubts, people with a few brains always have doubts

You have no idea how heavy a burden on me it is to never be wrong.

You'll never have to bear that burden.

It's not near the burden you have being wrong.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's cut to the chase: do you vote Democrat, and, if so, are you ready to admit that you're a socialist?

So your trying to say that 65 million voters are socialist?

Sooo....you don't care to answer the question?

I believe you've inadvertently answered the question.


Glad you're embarrassed.

Never said I would answer a second one. My inference stands.

I'm perfectly copacetic with leaving the obvious conclusion of your refusal to answer.

Sooo....why are you back?

The conclusion that you think every democrat voter is a socialist is obvious regardless of which party, if any, I voted for.

You probably don't recognize that shifting from the actual question to your version is what makes the obvious conclusion of your refusal to answer the original, even more verified.


Class and character are far from characteristics of your sort.

 

[Pilot1]

The Democrats are desperate. They now are starting to admit they are socialists, and communists. The indoctrination of younger people by our schools, and universities to admire communism, and demonize capitalism has emboldened them. When they realize this is just a path to Totalitarianism, maybe they will change their minds.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Democrats are desperate. They now are starting to admit they are socialists, and communists. The indoctrination of younger people by our schools, and universities to admire communism, and demonize capitalism has emboldened them. When they realize this is just a path to Totalitarianism, maybe they will change their minds.

 

[Circe]

Are we going to have an actual definition of the term from which we all work, or is this just another simplistic partisan circle jerk?

No need: socialism is like pornography. We know it when we see it.

 

[Circe]

The Democrats are desperate. They now are starting to admit they are socialists, and communists. The indoctrination of younger people by our schools, and universities to admire communism, and demonize capitalism has emboldened them. When they realize this is just a path to Totalitarianism, maybe they will change their minds.

Hardly. Totalitarianism is exactly what they WANT. Total control over all Americans, what we think, what we do, how much money we can keep, if any, how we can defend ourselves from criminals, i.e., not at all.

 

[sartre play]

We pay taxes to support schools even if we don't have children in school. that is socialism. one among the many things we do together to help each other. regards the commie label so old so tired so few.

 

[BlindBoo]

So your trying to say that 65 million voters are socialist?

Sooo....you don't care to answer the question?

I believe you've inadvertently answered the question.


Glad you're embarrassed.

Never said I would answer a second one. My inference stands.

I'm perfectly copacetic with leaving the obvious conclusion of your refusal to answer.

Sooo....why are you back?

The conclusion that you think every democrat voter is a socialist is obvious regardless of which party, if any, I voted for.

You probably don't recognize that shifting from the actual question to your version is what makes the obvious conclusion of your refusal to answer the original, even more verified.


Class and character are far from characteristics of your sort.

With you it always degrades to competitive insulting doesn't it?

 

[PoliticalChic]

We pay taxes to support schools even if we don't have children in school. that is socialism. one among the many things we do together to help each other. regards the commie label so old so tired so few.

Communists are socialists until they are strong enough to be open about being communists.


1. The Communists and their Marxist cousins, the Socialists,

have worked for revolution since the advent of the New Deal

twenty-one years ago by infiltrating government offices, , labor

unions, schools and colleges, churches, radio and television,

the movies, the publishing business.
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution."



2. In an article on socialism in the Encyclopedia Britannica,

Prof. G. D. H. Cole, a leading theoretician and historian of

the British Labor Party, declares: The distinction between socialism as distinguished by various Labor and Socialist parties of Europe and the New World, and communism, as represented by the Russians and minority parties in other countries is one of tactics-and-strategy rather than one of objective. Communism is indeed only socialism pursued by revolutionary means and making its revolutionary method a canon of faith...."

In The Communist Manifesto, Marx and Engels stated that

communist ends can be attained "only by the forcible overthrow

of all existing social conditions."



I recommend this thread to make clear the consubstantial basis of violence that leads from the former to the latter:

Democrat Discourse…

 

[PoliticalChic]

Sooo....you don't care to answer the question?

I believe you've inadvertently answered the question.


Glad you're embarrassed.

Never said I would answer a second one. My inference stands.

I'm perfectly copacetic with leaving the obvious conclusion of your refusal to answer.

Sooo....why are you back?

The conclusion that you think every democrat voter is a socialist is obvious regardless of which party, if any, I voted for.

You probably don't recognize that shifting from the actual question to your version is what makes the obvious conclusion of your refusal to answer the original, even more verified.


Class and character are far from characteristics of your sort.

With you it always degrades to competitive insulting doesn't it?

'Degrades;????


I'm just too good at it to hide my light under a bushel basket.


My motto is:
Trample the weak and hurtle the dead.


Perhaps you should take out insurance.

 

[Pilot1]

Hardly. Totalitarianism is exactly what they WANT. Total control over all Americans, what we think, what we do, how much money we can keep, if any, how we can defend ourselves from criminals, i.e., not at all.

I wasn't clear in my post. That is what I meant. The Dem elite, and their puppeteers like Soros want Totalitarianism. Their useful idiot followers, and those indoctrinated to want communism need to be educated about that.

 

[DustyInfinity]

For the dems who say its not me, I'm not the extreme authoritarian, everyone you elect votes the EXACT same way. Their voting records match 90% of the time. You could always say I didn't mean to vote for a monster, but I really don't think that helps.

 

[BlindBoo]

Never said I would answer a second one. My inference stands.

I'm perfectly copacetic with leaving the obvious conclusion of your refusal to answer.

Sooo....why are you back?

The conclusion that you think every democrat voter is a socialist is obvious regardless of which party, if any, I voted for.

You probably don't recognize that shifting from the actual question to your version is what makes the obvious conclusion of your refusal to answer the original, even more verified.


Class and character are far from characteristics of your sort.

With you it always degrades to competitive insulting doesn't it?

'Degrades;????


I'm just too good at it to hide my light under a bushel basket.


My motto is:
Trample the weak and hurtle the dead.


Perhaps you should take out insurance.

You're proud of the motto "Trample the weak"?

You make me laugh.

 

[PoliticalChic]

For the dems who say its not me, I'm not the extreme authoritarian, everyone you elect votes the EXACT same way. Their voting records match 90% of the time. You could always say I didn't mean to vote for a monster, but I really don't think that helps.

I believe you are saying that the political system is binary: pull the lever for Democrats and you get the worst of the political landscape, no matter what your representative claims to be for.

If so, I agree with you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm perfectly copacetic with leaving the obvious conclusion of your refusal to answer.

Sooo....why are you back?

The conclusion that you think every democrat voter is a socialist is obvious regardless of which party, if any, I voted for.

You probably don't recognize that shifting from the actual question to your version is what makes the obvious conclusion of your refusal to answer the original, even more verified.


Class and character are far from characteristics of your sort.

With you it always degrades to competitive insulting doesn't it?

'Degrades;????


I'm just too good at it to hide my light under a bushel basket.


My motto is:
Trample the weak and hurtle the dead.


Perhaps you should take out insurance.

You're proud of the motto "Trample the weak"?

You make me laugh.

Always happy to bring some sunshine into a dull, dismal, lugubrious life.