Through the looking glass: liberals resort to states’ rights; conservatives embrace judicial fiat

[C_Clayton_Jones]

'A week after the Supreme Court issued monumental rulings loosening restrictions on carrying guns and overturning the constitutional right to abortion, New York began to enact sweeping measures designed to blunt the decisions’ effects. In an extraordinary session convened by Gov. Kathy Hochul that began Thursday and carried late into Friday evening, the State Legislature adopted a new law placing significant restrictions on the carrying of handguns and initiated the process of passing a constitutional amendment enshrining the right to abortion in the state of New York.

[…]

“We’re not going backwards,” Gov. Kathy Hochul, a Democrat, said at a news conference in Albany on Friday. “They may think they can change our lives with the stroke of a pen, but we have pens, too.” She made remarks on the coming July 4 holiday, asking New Yorkers to remember what was being commemorated: “the founding of a great country that cherished the rights of individuals, freedoms and liberty for all.” “I am standing here to protect freedom and liberty here in the state of New York,” she added.

The state’s new gun law bars the carrying of handguns in many public settings such as subways and buses, parks, hospitals, stadiums and day cares. Guns will be off-limits on private property unless the property owner indicated that he or she expressly allowed them. At the last minute, lawmakers added Times Square to the list of restricted sites.'

N.Y. Lawmakers Respond on Guns and Abortion After Supreme Court Rulings (Published 2022)

Lawmakers passed measures that would prohibit concealed weapons in many public places, as well as an amendment that would initiate the process of enshrining the right to abortion in the State Constitution.

www.nytimes.com

America continues a path of division not seen since before the Civil War.

 

[Darkwind]

'A week after the Supreme Court issued monumental rulings loosening restrictions on carrying guns and overturning the constitutional right to abortion, New York began to enact sweeping measures designed to blunt the decisions’ effects. In an extraordinary session convened by Gov. Kathy Hochul that began Thursday and carried late into Friday evening, the State Legislature adopted a new law placing significant restrictions on the carrying of handguns and initiated the process of passing a constitutional amendment enshrining the right to abortion in the state of New York.

[…]

“We’re not going backwards,” Gov. Kathy Hochul, a Democrat, said at a news conference in Albany on Friday. “They may think they can change our lives with the stroke of a pen, but we have pens, too.” She made remarks on the coming July 4 holiday, asking New Yorkers to remember what was being commemorated: “the founding of a great country that cherished the rights of individuals, freedoms and liberty for all.” “I am standing here to protect freedom and liberty here in the state of New York,” she added.

The state’s new gun law bars the carrying of handguns in many public settings such as subways and buses, parks, hospitals, stadiums and day cares. Guns will be off-limits on private property unless the property owner indicated that he or she expressly allowed them. At the last minute, lawmakers added Times Square to the list of restricted sites.'

N.Y. Lawmakers Respond on Guns and Abortion After Supreme Court Rulings (Published 2022)

Lawmakers passed measures that would prohibit concealed weapons in many public places, as well as an amendment that would initiate the process of enshrining the right to abortion in the State Constitution.

www.nytimes.com

America continues a path of division not seen since before the Civil War.

Yet, she is going backward.

So, by blunt, you of course mean, violate the US Constitution.

 

[JGalt]

A "right" is something given to us by God and decreed and protected by documents like the US Constitution. Like the right to life.

Abortion is merely a concession, not a right.

 

[Esdraelon]

'A week after the Supreme Court issued monumental rulings loosening restrictions on carrying guns and overturning the constitutional right to abortion, New York began to enact sweeping measures designed to blunt the decisions’ effects. In an extraordinary session convened by Gov. Kathy Hochul that began Thursday and carried late into Friday evening, the State Legislature adopted a new law placing significant restrictions on the carrying of handguns and initiated the process of passing a constitutional amendment enshrining the right to abortion in the state of New York.

[…]

“We’re not going backwards,” Gov. Kathy Hochul, a Democrat, said at a news conference in Albany on Friday. “They may think they can change our lives with the stroke of a pen, but we have pens, too.” She made remarks on the coming July 4 holiday, asking New Yorkers to remember what was being commemorated: “the founding of a great country that cherished the rights of individuals, freedoms and liberty for all.” “I am standing here to protect freedom and liberty here in the state of New York,” she added.

The state’s new gun law bars the carrying of handguns in many public settings such as subways and buses, parks, hospitals, stadiums and day cares. Guns will be off-limits on private property unless the property owner indicated that he or she expressly allowed them. At the last minute, lawmakers added Times Square to the list of restricted sites.'

N.Y. Lawmakers Respond on Guns and Abortion After Supreme Court Rulings (Published 2022)

Lawmakers passed measures that would prohibit concealed weapons in many public places, as well as an amendment that would initiate the process of enshrining the right to abortion in the State Constitution.

www.nytimes.com

America continues a path of division not seen since before the Civil War.

I see no problem so long as BOTH sides are given the same abilities. But you lot don't often accept THAT ability, do ya? What your party is doing since the Roe ruling is to find ways to ignore state laws and do as you please. When you eventually get to the point where you CAN dump the filibuster and try to ram a bunch of "laws" down the throats of the rest of us, shame on your ass for what you'll bring down on all our heads.

 

[JGalt]

I see no problem so long as BOTH sides are given the same abilities. But you lot don't often accept THAT ability, do ya? What your party is doing since the Roe ruling is to find ways to ignore state laws and do as you please. When you eventually get to the point where you CAN dump the filibuster and try to ram a bunch of "laws" down the throats of the rest of us, shame on your ass for what you'll bring down on all our heads.

Democrats are the true "insurrectionists" and always have been. The Civil War? Democrat insurrectionists caused that.

I never bought for a minute their claim that the Jan. 6 unsupervised Capitol tour was a real "insurrection."

 

[Adrenochrome Junkie]

Just secede already. If you hate guns and love abortions, Pride parades and high taxes, then go live in a blue state.

And if you live in a blue state, then just shut up and quit your bitching.

 

[Rigby5]

'A week after the Supreme Court issued monumental rulings loosening restrictions on carrying guns and overturning the constitutional right to abortion, New York began to enact sweeping measures designed to blunt the decisions’ effects. In an extraordinary session convened by Gov. Kathy Hochul that began Thursday and carried late into Friday evening, the State Legislature adopted a new law placing significant restrictions on the carrying of handguns and initiated the process of passing a constitutional amendment enshrining the right to abortion in the state of New York.

[…]

“We’re not going backwards,” Gov. Kathy Hochul, a Democrat, said at a news conference in Albany on Friday. “They may think they can change our lives with the stroke of a pen, but we have pens, too.” She made remarks on the coming July 4 holiday, asking New Yorkers to remember what was being commemorated: “the founding of a great country that cherished the rights of individuals, freedoms and liberty for all.” “I am standing here to protect freedom and liberty here in the state of New York,” she added.

The state’s new gun law bars the carrying of handguns in many public settings such as subways and buses, parks, hospitals, stadiums and day cares. Guns will be off-limits on private property unless the property owner indicated that he or she expressly allowed them. At the last minute, lawmakers added Times Square to the list of restricted sites.'

N.Y. Lawmakers Respond on Guns and Abortion After Supreme Court Rulings (Published 2022)

Lawmakers passed measures that would prohibit concealed weapons in many public places, as well as an amendment that would initiate the process of enshrining the right to abortion in the State Constitution.

www.nytimes.com

America continues a path of division not seen since before the Civil War.

It is totally illegal to ban guns from public places if you then allow police to be armed there.
The ability for police to ever be armed comes from our right to be armed, and if we can't be, then we can't delegate it to police.

And by criminalizing gun on buses and subways, that totally disarms anyone who relies on mass transit.

Before the Civil War, you could be armed anywhere, and there were no restrictions on abortion.

 

[JWBooth]

If state's rights is important to you then Moore v. Harper will be right up your alley.

 

[daveman]

Democrats sure are angry SCOTUS is deciding cases based on the Constitution.

Tough shit.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

'A week after the Supreme Court issued monumental rulings loosening restrictions on carrying guns and overturning the constitutional right to abortion, New York began to enact sweeping measures designed to blunt the decisions’ effects. In an extraordinary session convened by Gov. Kathy Hochul that began Thursday and carried late into Friday evening, the State Legislature adopted a new law placing significant restrictions on the carrying of handguns and initiated the process of passing a constitutional amendment enshrining the right to abortion in the state of New York.

[…]

“We’re not going backwards,” Gov. Kathy Hochul, a Democrat, said at a news conference in Albany on Friday. “They may think they can change our lives with the stroke of a pen, but we have pens, too.” She made remarks on the coming July 4 holiday, asking New Yorkers to remember what was being commemorated: “the founding of a great country that cherished the rights of individuals, freedoms and liberty for all.” “I am standing here to protect freedom and liberty here in the state of New York,” she added.

The state’s new gun law bars the carrying of handguns in many public settings such as subways and buses, parks, hospitals, stadiums and day cares. Guns will be off-limits on private property unless the property owner indicated that he or she expressly allowed them. At the last minute, lawmakers added Times Square to the list of restricted sites.'

N.Y. Lawmakers Respond on Guns and Abortion After Supreme Court Rulings (Published 2022)

Lawmakers passed measures that would prohibit concealed weapons in many public places, as well as an amendment that would initiate the process of enshrining the right to abortion in the State Constitution.

www.nytimes.com

America continues a path of division not seen since before the Civil War.

The ruling on abortion gives states the right to do anything they desire on abortion. The gun issue is a different subject since the justices stated a state can't make people beg or have to prove to government they are deserving of a constitutional right.

So now the question (if it's challenged) is are all these gun restrictions violating the SC ruling? To me it seems so.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

'A week after the Supreme Court issued monumental rulings loosening restrictions on carrying guns and overturning the constitutional right to abortion, New York began to enact sweeping measures designed to blunt the decisions’ effects. In an extraordinary session convened by Gov. Kathy Hochul that began Thursday and carried late into Friday evening, the State Legislature adopted a new law placing significant restrictions on the carrying of handguns and initiated the process of passing a constitutional amendment enshrining the right to abortion in the state of New York.

[…]

“We’re not going backwards,” Gov. Kathy Hochul, a Democrat, said at a news conference in Albany on Friday. “They may think they can change our lives with the stroke of a pen, but we have pens, too.” She made remarks on the coming July 4 holiday, asking New Yorkers to remember what was being commemorated: “the founding of a great country that cherished the rights of individuals, freedoms and liberty for all.” “I am standing here to protect freedom and liberty here in the state of New York,” she added.

The state’s new gun law bars the carrying of handguns in many public settings such as subways and buses, parks, hospitals, stadiums and day cares. Guns will be off-limits on private property unless the property owner indicated that he or she expressly allowed them. At the last minute, lawmakers added Times Square to the list of restricted sites.'

N.Y. Lawmakers Respond on Guns and Abortion After Supreme Court Rulings (Published 2022)

Lawmakers passed measures that would prohibit concealed weapons in many public places, as well as an amendment that would initiate the process of enshrining the right to abortion in the State Constitution.

www.nytimes.com

America continues a path of division not seen since before the Civil War.

No such thing as states right when it comes to federally protected laws. Or are you saying a state has a right to ignore the 13th amendment?

 

[Abatis]

America continues a path of division not seen since before the Civil War.

Well, actually it is closer to events just after the Civil War . . . Hochul's new gun laws are akin to the Black Codes when Southern Democrats just couldn't accept and abide by those new legal rules telling them they must recognize constitutional rights in US citizens even if they don't like them.

It sounds absurd that we are still trying to force rights infringing Democrats to follow the Constitution . . .

 

[easyt65]

'A week after the Supreme Court issued monumental rulings loosening restrictions on carrying guns and overturning the constitutional right to abortion, New York began to enact sweeping measures designed to blunt the decisions’ effects.

In other wrds Liberals are attempting to undermine and defy the USSC ...

.... while Democrats threaten them, call for intimidation of them, call for violence against them, refuse to enforce laws intended to protect them, incite assassinarion attempts, call for the elimination of the USSC, and openly call for Insurrection...

....and you are proclaiming these to be good things.

What a good, obedient, brainwashed sheep.

That'll do, pig.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

For decades citizens availed themselves of the courts, the Constitution, and its case law to seek relief from discriminatory measures enacted by conservative lawmakers.

From Brown v. Board of Education to Loving v. Virginia to Obergefell v. Hodges – racist, bigoted state laws were struck down consistent with 14th Amendment jurisprudence.

Conservatives of course railed against such rulings and more – denouncing the courts as “tyrants in black robes legislating from the bench in violation of the will of the people.”

Conservatism was supposed to be about slow, incremental change reflecting democratic consensus and the will of the people of the states.

But no more.

With control of the courts, conservatives have abandoned slow, incremental change reflecting democratic consensus and the will of the people for judicial fiat conservatives condemned just a generation ago.

And liberals become unwilling advocates of “states’ rights,” the courts no longer the defenders of citizens’ protected liberties.

 

[marvin martian]

'A week after the Supreme Court issued monumental rulings loosening restrictions on carrying guns and overturning the constitutional right to abortion, New York began to enact sweeping measures designed to blunt the decisions’ effects. In an extraordinary session convened by Gov. Kathy Hochul that began Thursday and carried late into Friday evening, the State Legislature adopted a new law placing significant restrictions on the carrying of handguns and initiated the process of passing a constitutional amendment enshrining the right to abortion in the state of New York.

[…]

“We’re not going backwards,” Gov. Kathy Hochul, a Democrat, said at a news conference in Albany on Friday. “They may think they can change our lives with the stroke of a pen, but we have pens, too.” She made remarks on the coming July 4 holiday, asking New Yorkers to remember what was being commemorated: “the founding of a great country that cherished the rights of individuals, freedoms and liberty for all.” “I am standing here to protect freedom and liberty here in the state of New York,” she added.

The state’s new gun law bars the carrying of handguns in many public settings such as subways and buses, parks, hospitals, stadiums and day cares. Guns will be off-limits on private property unless the property owner indicated that he or she expressly allowed them. At the last minute, lawmakers added Times Square to the list of restricted sites.'

N.Y. Lawmakers Respond on Guns and Abortion After Supreme Court Rulings (Published 2022)

Lawmakers passed measures that would prohibit concealed weapons in many public places, as well as an amendment that would initiate the process of enshrining the right to abortion in the State Constitution.

www.nytimes.com

America continues a path of division not seen since before the Civil War.

Nobody cares what the blue shitholes do within their own borders. The faster they self-destruct, the better. The SCOTUS stopped you fascists from exporting your evil to places that don't want it.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

For decades citizens availed themselves of the courts, the Constitution, and its case law to seek relief from discriminatory measures enacted by conservative lawmakers.

From Brown v. Board of Education to Loving v. Virginia to Obergefell v. Hodges – racist, bigoted state laws were struck down consistent with 14th Amendment jurisprudence.

Conservatives of course railed against such rulings and more – denouncing the courts as “tyrants in black robes legislating from the bench in violation of the will of the people.”

Conservatism was supposed to be about slow, incremental change reflecting democratic consensus and the will of the people of the states.

But no more.

With control of the courts, conservatives have abandoned slow, incremental change reflecting democratic consensus and the will of the people for judicial fiat conservatives condemned just a generation ago.

And liberals become unwilling advocates of “states’ rights,” the courts no longer the defenders of citizens’ protected liberties.

States have no control over federally protected rights. Because if they do nothing to stop them from bringing back slavery and getting rid of the 13th amendment. Or stopping women from voting

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Nobody cares what the blue shitholes do within their own borders. The faster they self-destruct, the better. The SCOTUS stopped you fascists from exporting your evil to places that don't want it.

He screams states right until the subject is about abortion. Which wasn't that what the courts did make it a states right issue?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

For decades citizens availed themselves of the courts, the Constitution, and its case law to seek relief from discriminatory measures enacted by conservative lawmakers.

From Brown v. Board of Education to Loving v. Virginia to Obergefell v. Hodges – racist, bigoted state laws were struck down consistent with 14th Amendment jurisprudence.

Conservatives of course railed against such rulings and more – denouncing the courts as “tyrants in black robes legislating from the bench in violation of the will of the people.”

Conservatism was supposed to be about slow, incremental change reflecting democratic consensus and the will of the people of the states.

But no more.

With control of the courts, conservatives have abandoned slow, incremental change reflecting democratic consensus and the will of the people for judicial fiat conservatives condemned just a generation ago.

And liberals become unwilling advocates of “states’ rights,” the courts no longer the defenders of citizens’ protected liberties.

I've been a conservative most of my life and I don't recall the conservative agenda as being slow change. In fact we are often criticized about being too traditional or wanting to go back to the 1950's.

It's the leftists who believe that our Constitution is not written in stone, and should be a living document that automatically changes with the times instead of going through the losing process of Amendments the way our founders wanted.

The courts ruled in favor of making abortion about states rights, and now it's the left that's crying about it. After the Hillary defeat, the left complained about the electoral collage for the next four years. Well, there is no electoral college in picking state leaders, it's pure democracy that the left supposedly values so deeply.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I've been a conservative most of my life and I don't recall the conservative agenda as being slow change. In fact we are often criticized about being too traditional or wanting to go back to the 1950's.

It's the leftists who believe that our Constitution is not written in stone, and should be a living document that automatically changes with the times instead of going through the losing process of Amendments the way our founders wanted.

The courts ruled in favor of making abortion about states rights, and now it's the left that's crying about it. After the Hillary defeat, the left complained about the electoral collage for the next four years. Well, there is no electoral college in picking state leaders, it's pure democracy that the left supposedly values so deeply.

They only support something until it no longer benefits them.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

America continues a path of division not seen since before the Civil War.

And that division will only increase – Americans will witness the balkanization of their rights and liberties – indeed, liberties no longer protected.

Whether one is afforded his rights and liberties will be dependent upon his state of residence; one’s rights and liberties will be dependent upon the capricious whims of partisan lawmakers, not the Constitution and its case law.