Three Interpretations of Adam and Eve

[emilynghiem]

I'm expected to believe a man was made from clay from the earth and you wonder why I'm not bad mouthing a ghost about that?
Are you completely bonkers?
It didn't happen you fool. Grow up.

Dear Colin norris I interpret clay and dust to mean we are physically made from materials in the physical world.
Like carbon based life. DNA and energy particles in this world.

Given the Bible was passed down from ancient times, the language is going to be symbolic and not literal or technical.

If people like you have no connection or faith at all in the Bible, I find it best to stick with very general and useful interpretations, such as interpreting Jesus to Represent the process of Justice overcoming Injustice which attempts to kill and destroy it, yet Justice comes back and prevails anyway as the only thing sustainable and eternal. Peace is the Holy Spirit that comes with Justice.

No Justice No Peace.

The Truth sets us free from misery caused by injustice and selfish greed and bias which causes human sin or karma to repeat in retributive cycles, kicking the can down the road for future generations, until we unite and agree to stop the destruction and collaborate on solutions by Restorative Justice which is the closest term I know to explain what Christ Jesus means to saving humanity.

The biggest lesson and key in Christianity that makes the most critical difference is Forgiveness: This allows us to break past patterns and cycles of abuse, oppression, even addiction, instead of staying stuck in resentment attached to the past. When we all agree to receive Forgiveness and Correction, this allows healing of heart, mind and body, as well as relations, institutions and nations. Faith in forgiveness and correction to right all wrongs and heal all people, individually and collectively, is the true calling and faith in Christianity that makes it central and universal for all humanity.

 

[Colin norris]

Dear Colin norris I interpret clay and dust to mean we are physically made from materials in the physical world.
Like carbon based life. DNA and energy particles in this world.

Given the Bible was passed down from ancient times, the language is going to be symbolic and not literal or technical.

If people like you have no connection or faith at all in the Bible, I find it best to stick with very general and useful interpretations, such as interpreting Jesus to Represent the process of Justice overcoming Injustice which attempts to kill and destroy it, yet Justice comes back and prevails anyway as the only thing sustainable and eternal. Peace is the Holy Spirit that comes with Justice.

No Justice No Peace.

The Truth sets us free from misery caused by injustice and selfish greed and bias which causes human sin or karma to repeat in retributive cycles, kicking the can down the road for future generations, until we unite and agree to stop the destruction and collaborate on solutions by Restorative Justice which is the closest term I know to explain what Christ Jesus means to saving humanity.

The biggest lesson and key in Christianity that makes the most critical difference is Forgiveness: This allows us to break past patterns and cycles of abuse, oppression, even addiction, instead of staying stuck in resentment attached to the past. When we all agree to receive Forgiveness and Correction, this allows healing of heart, mind and body, as well as relations, institutions and nations. Faith in forgiveness and correction to right all wrongs and heal all people, individually and collectively, is the true calling and faith in Christianity that makes it central and universal for all humanity.

Stop it.
I'll simplify it for you.
Not you or any person on earth has any evidence a God exists but you devote you life to a ghost then arrogantly preach to me how ignorant I am for not believing in immaculate conception etc.

Don't make me vomit. You have been conned and are delusional at best. Grow up.

 

[Colin norris]

Yes he did. The scriptural proof is shown when Jesus said, "Satan was a murderer from the beginning", a clear reference to the creation story where Satan beguiled Adam and Eve to eat the forbidden fruit causing their death and expulsion from Eden.

That Jesus called Peter Satan irrefutably shows that he understood the metaphors and the teaching of the creation story and the consequences for setting divine instruction aside.

A death far worse than biological, the reality far worse than any fairy tale.

Let's get a couple of things straight.
The whole Adam and eve thing is a myth ftom the start.

God, who doesn't exist, did not create a fully formed man from clay or anything else. For the sake of humanity and continuation of our species, get some facts ahead if your silly bible.
Eve was not made from a rib. Expection rational humans to believe that rubnishbis what brings religion into disrepute.

Whilst you can believe anything you like but you should not peddle that rubbish on an international forum as if it were fact. It is simply not true. The same goes for your imaginary enemy Satan.

The bible is the most read piece of bullshit ever published.

 

[hobelim]

Let's get a couple of things straight.
The whole Adam and eve thing is a myth ftom the start.

God, who doesn't exist, did not create a fully formed man from clay or anything else. For the sake of humanity and continuation of our species, get some facts ahead if your silly bible.
Eve was not made from a rib. Expection rational humans to believe that rubnishbis what brings religion into disrepute.

Whilst you can believe anything you like but you should not peddle that rubbish on an international forum as if it were fact. It is simply not true. The same goes for your imaginary enemy Satan.

The bible is the most read piece of bullshit ever published.

Man, you are dense.

All fiction alludes to fact. Every fantastical story, myth, fairy tale or fable ever written says something about actual reality. Even a story about a talking serpent.

The onslaught of TV preachers and fundamentalist doomsday cults is evidence that talking serpents are very real. Those who are bitten die. "Satan was a murderer from the beginning."

There has been a plague of talking serpents running amok worldwide unchecked for thousands of years because idiots like you don't believe they exist because you have failed to comprehend the teaching intended for hebrew children to understand for a reason as stupid as the fact that snakes can't talk.

Puppets don't become real boys. Thats a fact. Another fact is that when naughty boys stay on Pleasure Island for too long those donkey ears are there for life. (Pinocchio 3:14)

Jackass.

Can I get a hee haw?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Stop it.
I'll simplify it for you.
Not you or any person on earth has any evidence a God exists but you devote you life to a ghost then arrogantly preach to me how ignorant I am for not believing in immaculate conception etc.

Don't make me vomit. You have been conned and are delusional at best. Grow up.

/——/ Why are you so adamant about something you don’t believe in? I know atheists, and they just shrug it off.
It seems you have other issues at play.

 

[Colin norris]

/——/ Why are you so adamant about something you don’t believe in? I know atheists, and they just shrug it off.
It seems you have other issues at play.

There is no others issue at play.
I simply cannot believe something unless there is evidence. I know there is none and you cannot produce it.

If I told you I could rise and disappear into the clouds you would be entitled to call me mad. But you believe the same thing and take it as fact.

 

[Cellblock2429]

There is no others issue at play.
I simply cannot believe something unless there is evidence. I know there is none and you cannot produce it.

If I told you I could rise and disappear into the clouds you would be entitled to call me mad. But you believe the same thing and take it as fact.

/——-/ So you reject anything that can’t be proved like religion, love and intuit.

 

[hobelim]

If I told you I could rise and disappear into the clouds you would be entitled to call me mad. But you believe the same thing and take it as fact.

When Elijah was "taken up" into heaven by a whirlwind it is just a euphemism for him being killed by a mob.. Jesus being "taken up" into heaven and being obscured by a cloud (controversy) just means that after he was crucified and died people didn't understand what the fuck happened.

You assume that everyone takes the stories literally because you do. That's just plain dumb.

Damn.

 

[Ivan88]

Show us in scripture, THE WORD OF GOD......where any man or woman preexisted the first Man (Adam) and the first Woman (Eve). Jesus clearly stated........"......from the beginning". How can something exist before the beginning other than God who is eternal?

Good questions. In Genesis 1:27 Elohim created man. The word for man here is adam.
Genesis 2:1 heavens and earth created & finished.
Genesis 2:7 Yahweh formed man (another adam) of the dust of the ground and breathed life into him and he became a living soul.

Obviously there are 2 adams here. The 2nd one was put in a garden.

Genesis 4, Adam's first son kills Abel and complains to Yahveh, "I am a fugitive and everyone who findeth me will kill me."
And Cain went a found a gal & she birthed Enoch. Obviously this gal was descended from the first adam.
4:25 Adam finally had another son.
Even if Adam had a daughter, was there time for Cain to marry her?

And the 2nd man/adam was the sneakiest critter in the garden of Eden, and it was that adam that seduced Eve, and she ended up bearing Cain, with the same murderous genetic message of his father.

 

[Colin norris]

When Elijah was "taken up" into heaven by a whirlwind it is just a euphemism for him being killed by a mob.. Jesus being "taken up" into heaven and being obscured by a cloud (controversy) just means that after he was crucified and died people didn't understand what the fuck happened.

You assume that everyone takes the stories literally because you do. That's just plain dumb.

Damn.

Stop it. You're a complete delusional fool.
No such thing happened and your an indictment on the human race to believe it did Grow up.

 

[edthecynic]

I used the more traditional interpretation to explain to a student at a Catholic college who was not brought up Christian. She could not follow how professors would teach from the Bible as if this is well established. To her it was a foreign framework. For Adam and Eve, I explained the relationship with God similar to her father teaching the children to obey. It is for our own safety and well being. As we grow to maturity, we learn to make decisions by free will and reason. So the NT is the later mature stage, after Jesus, but before that, we had people trying to follow God and laws by blind obedience to authority.

Below are two more ways that society has changed politically and economically, which Adam and Eve can also represent as a "falling out" and corruption of perfect order, where these corruptions have caused human bondage to oppressive conditions.



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Adam and Eve represent the lineage of generations under Mosaic Law and self awareness of will and ego. When we become aware of our will vs. others, and this gets corrupted by fear and selfishness, that is where we lose our innocence and start rebelling rejecting and fighting for control. It is symbolic on multiple levels.

The Daughters of the Earth who coupled with the descendants represent the matriarchal goddess tribes that were there before Adam and Eve started the patriarchal lineage. The purpose of Christ is to restore equal relations between tribes so we fulfill the harmony between humanity on Earth and God's universal laws of justice in heaven.

The Bible does not spell out the natural laws of the gentiles specifically either, as found in secular Constitutional laws, Greek ethics etc. But scholars who have studied basic ethics have found the core principles to be consistent with the Bible. So just because it's not mentioned doesn't mean to exclude it. As for prehistoric tribes, there are references in either the Bible or in the Kaballah mythology that refer to pre-Creation beings similar to how Greek myths used archeotype figures to describe the spiritual chaos before there was order. They used Giants and Titans. The Kaballah refers to Lillith before there was Eve, where Lillith is either interpreted as evil and demonic or as the female goddess matriarchal tribes that dominated with earth based religions before the patriarchal lineages of Adamic and Mosaic leadership that became Jewish law where Christianity and Islam followed from.

So this is one of 3 interpretations I've heard for the Garden allegory:

1. One is the stage of childlike innocence blind Faith and obedience to parental or govt type authority before becoming self aware or self governing by free will and reason. Until mature the human conscience will go through phases of rebelling and rejecting to learn by experience right from wrong but eventually reconcile. Not by force of law but by free choice to follow and comply by understanding laws of Justice. So this is the process of people establishing Justice by free will to achieve lasting Peace.



2. The interpretation of male dominant patriarchal order introduced spiritually where Eve is derived from Adam vs. Lillith representing being brought up equally from the dust as Adam was. This is why matriarchal tribes dominated because women knew who their daughters were and could keep power and property passed down that way. But men did not know who their children and heirs were until marriage laws were instigated to maintain patriarchy to treat women and children as property of the estate under primogeniture and feudal lord systems. This was supposed to help balance out the knowledge women had but instead it went too far and demonized Eve as cursed by Satan and Lilith and pagan tribes as demonic to wipe them out in genocides referred to in the Bible as Baal and praying to idols and the queen of heaven. The purpose of the sacrifice of Christ was to break this cycle of sin and karma to stop this retribution war and genocide in the OT and bring reconciliation restoration and maturity in the NT where male and female Jew and Gentile are made one in harmony and balance as originally destined to establish paradise again or heaven on Earth as it was when we were innocent except now we have full knowledge free choice and informed consent so we can sustain justice and peace by knowing the truth that sets us free from sin strife and suffering.



3. The last interpretation was that biting into the apple wasn't just self awareness but specifically tied to the eating and value of meat. This introduced disparity by elevating men above women. The men were worshipped and prayed for as hunters and eventually paid more than gatherers of fruits and vegetables that were mainly the women at home and manual workers in the fields. While the ownership and management class rose in power and kept that monopoly referred to as class privilege or white privilege since the wealthy who stayed indoors became associated with lighter skin as aristocratic and the darker skin in every culture became associated with manual and outdoor field labor of the working classes , as well as the darker skin that was valued more in American slavery to distinguish slaves from free people. So Adam Eve and the Garden also has been interpreted to symbolize class disparity by economic development of ownership class vs working class that doesn't own its own labor but remain subjugate to the ruling class in charge because of monetary wealth and knowledge of laws in that sense.

Again Jesus as God's Perfect Authority of Universal / Equal Justice represents liberation from enslavement to the selfish laws of man corrupted by greed for power or antichrist. And to restore God's universal laws of equal justice and good faith relations based on truth to bring healing corrections and peace. That is a more secular external historic interpretation than the symbolic spiritual interpretation of male female relations and balance.

But I find all 3 to be key to understanding the full nature of human conflict and condition past present and future.

I, of course, have a completely different take on the Adam myth.

Chronologically, Adam was not separated from God by sin until AFTER Eve was created. So before Eve was created, Adam was in a heavenly state of physical perfection, without sin, in paradise, and one with God.

So how could Adam have been so "alone" it was "not good" BEFORE he was separated from God by sin??????

God saw Adam was lacking a mate and created Eve, but how could Adam have been lacking anything while he was without sin and one with God??????

Gen 2: 18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Stop it. You're a complete delusional fool.
No such thing happened and your an indictment on the human race to believe it did Grow up.

Grow up. You're a dickhead son.

 

[Colin norris]

I, of course, have a completely different take on the Adam myth.

Chronologically, Adam was not separated from God by sin until AFTER Eve was created. So before Eve was created, Adam was in a heavenly state of physical perfection, without sin, in paradise, and one with God.

So how could Adam have been so "alone" it was "not good" BEFORE he was separated from God by sin??????

God saw Adam was lacking a mate and created Eve, but how could Adam have been lacking anything while he was without sin and one with God??????

Gen 2: 18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Here's a better take on it.

The whole thing is rubbish. You've been conned. Creating humans from dirt etc.
Are you all bloody mad?
Then you try to relate it to modern life as if there is a lesson for society in it!!!

You have to be joking.

 

[edthecynic]

Here's a better take on it.

The whole thing is rubbish. You've been conned. Creating humans from dirt etc.
Are you all bloody mad?
Then you try to relate it to modern life as if there is a lesson for society in it!!!

You have to be joking.

Since you liked that so much, even though it went completely over your pointy little head. I have the Adam was the ultimate romantic version for your enjoyment!

Adam chose to be with Eve and eat the forbidden fruit of knowledge rather than spend an eternity ALONE with God. Adan knew before he ate the apple that choosing Eve meant incurring:
1. the wrath of God,
2. the expulsion form paradise,
3. he would endure sickness,
4. and he would die.
But even with all this baggage Adam, a one woman man, chose Eve over God. If that doesn't make Adam the ultimate romantic, I don't know what will.

 

[Colin norris]

Since you liked that so much, even though it went completely over your pointy little head. I have the Adam was the ultimate romantic version for your enjoyment!

Adam chose to be with Eve and eat the forbidden fruit of knowledge rather than spend an eternity ALONE with God. Adan knew before he ate the apple that choosing Eve meant incurring:
1. the wrath of God,
2. the expulsion form paradise,
3. he would endure sickness,
4. and he would die.
But even with all this baggage Adam, a one woman man, chose Eve over God. If that doesn't make Adam the ultimate romantic, I don't know what will.

Stop it. It would be easier to push a chain than teach you anything.
The whole story is just that. Miracles and major surgery to produce eve, fick off.
You're brain dead.

 

[edthecynic]

Stop it. It would be easier to push a chain than teach you anything.
The whole story is just that. Miracles and major surgery to produce eve, fick off.
You're brain dead

 

[Colin norris]

I'll take that as a capitulation and guilty as charged. Arsehole.

 

[edthecynic]

I'll take that as a capitulation and guilty as charged. Arsehole.

Take it as this

 

[hobelim]

Stop it. You're a complete delusional fool.
No such thing happened and your an indictment on the human race to believe it did Grow up.

lol.... No one knows where the story of the boy who cried wolf took place. No one knows whether the boy or the town ever existed. The is no archeological evidence, no corroborating historical documents, no proof that it ever happened. Does that matter ? Does that mean its all bullshit?

Of course not. The tale conveys an eternal truth about reality, a teaching not directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used in the story intended to be understood by children.

The story about Adam and Eve is the same. If thats too hard for you to grasp, impossible for you to agree with, then it is you who needs to grow up, at least to the level of a kindergarten child.

You professing to be rational is as delusional as it gets.

You are the embarrassment to the human race... including atheists.

Pathetic.

 

[Colin norris]

lol.... No one knows where the story of the boy who cried wolf took place. No one knows whether the boy or the town ever existed. The is no archeological evidence, no corroborating historical documents, no proof that it ever happened. Does that matter ? Does that mean its all bullshit?

Yes. Total bullshit the same as you believe there's a god.

Of course not. The tale conveys an eternal truth about reality, a teaching not directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used in the story intended to be understood by children.

It does not contain truth and you have contradicted yourself by saying that.
It's told to children not to make them wiser but to scare the shit out of them. That's the same as threatening them with sins and hell as a child to get them addicted to religion because their stupid parents were infected the same way as children.

The story about Adam and Eve is the same. If thats too hard for you to grasp, impossible for you to agree with, then it is you who needs to grow up, at least to the level of a kindergarten child.

If it is a story, there's no reason to believe any other part of the bible. It can also be assumed you firmly believe there is a god because the bible says so but in your heart you know it's bullshit so why are you peddling this shit as if it is fact.
You can't cherry pick selected portions to suit yourself.

You professing to be rational is as delusional as it gets.

Anyone who firmly believes in immaculate conception and virgin births etc is without doubt delusional. That's you.

You are the embarrassment to the human race... including atheists.

What you really mean, and it is about now you realise I'm not the pushover you thought with your mealy mouthed words, you realise your religious crap isn't working.

As for an embarrassment, how am I any for embarrassing than you? Youre the one who beliefs in resurrections and dead men walking which we both know is bullshit yet you believe I'm the one who is embarrassing the human race????
Are you kidding?
I've seen less nuts in an almond orchard.
You godbotherers have no credibility or relevance to anything other than confirmation of a mental disorder.