Thousands of churches flee the Methodist church

[Votto]

Oklahoma Supreme Court blocks congregation's vote to leave UMC

An Oklahoma congregation seeking to leave the United Methodist Church through a disaffiliation process is temporarily disallowed from holding another vote on the matter after earlier votes failed, ...

www.christianpost.com

For those that don't know, there has been a nationwide schism over the Methodist church's stance on same-sex marriage and the ordination of noncelibate homosexuals. As a result, a myriad of churches have sought to flee their denomination.

How is this political? Well, the Oklahoma Supreme court got involved for some reason, and stopped a vote for one of the churches to leave the Methodist church.

Is this the beginning of the state forcing churches to accept the state position on gay marriage?

What happened to separation of church and state the Left seemed to be in love with?

 

[1srelluc]

I understand it's a facilities/money issue more than anything else.....They can leave anytime they want but can't leave with the church's treasure.

I'm sure there's a empty mall store they can set up shop in.

 

[Dadoalex]

Oklahoma Supreme Court blocks congregation's vote to leave UMC

An Oklahoma congregation seeking to leave the United Methodist Church through a disaffiliation process is temporarily disallowed from holding another vote on the matter after earlier votes failed, ...

www.christianpost.com

For those that don't know, there has been a nationwide schism over the Methodist church's stance on same-sex marriage and the ordination of noncelibate homosexuals. As a result, a myriad of churches have sought to flee their denomination.

How is this political? Well, the Oklahoma Supreme court got involved for some reason, and stopped a vote for one of the churches to leave the Methodist church.

Is this the beginning of the state forcing churches to accept the state position on gay marriage?

What happened to separation of church and state the Left seemed to be in love with?

What is OK's position on "gay marriage?"
Pretty sure we have MAGATS eating MAGATS here.

 

[JGalt]

The Oklahoma SC is 5/4 with a Republican majority, which doesn't necessarily mean conservative.

 

[Votto]

I understand it's a facilities/money issue more than anything else.....They can leave anytime they want but can't leave with the church's treasure.

I'm sure there's a empty mall store they can set up shop in.

Right, the Methodist church is more concerned with losing the money than they are losing the congregation.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Another better reason for leaving is they are now the Global Methodist Church. They have become a worldly church, willing to accept new worldly ideology.

 

[Votto]

What is OK's position on "gay marriage?"
Pretty sure we have MAGATS eating MAGATS here.

What we have is the Left taking over the top levels of government, making gay marriage the law of the land, then taking over the top levels of the Methodist church to force the same on its congregation, and it seems the Left leaning Catholic Pope is not far behind.

Will those the disagree with the Left have any freedoms left at all when it comes to the state and their places of worship?

 

[JGalt]

Right, the Methodist church is more concerned with losing the money than they are losing the congregation.

You nailed it. Half the congregation of the United Methodist church my wife attended walked out when their disaffiliation vote failed. They went on to seed a new more conservative church.

 

[candycorn]

The Southern Baptists are looking for congregants:

2The total number of Southern Baptists in the U.S. – and their share of the population – is falling. When the first Religious Landscape Study was conducted in 2007, Southern Baptists accounted for 6.7% of the U.S. adult population (compared with 5.3% in 2014). And according to the SBC’s official membership tally, there were 14.8 million members of all ages in 2018, down about 1% from a year ago – part of a longer pattern of decline.


3The Southern Baptist Convention is not a centralized church like the Roman Catholic Church, but a fellowship of congregations. Together, these congregations teach that the Bible contains no errors and that personal acceptance of Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation. Southern Baptists also practice baptism by immersion in water. As of 2018, there were 47,456 Southern Baptist churches spread across 41 state conventions, according to the denomination. But Southern Baptists remain heavily concentrated in the South: SBC figures show that 81% of its members live in the region, including about 2.7 million in Texas and more than a million each in Georgia and North Carolina.


4The vast majority of Southern Baptists are white (85%), with few black members (6%) and even fewer Latinos (3%), according to the 2014 Religious Landscape Study. Although the denomination is more racially and ethnically diverse than the largest mainline Methodist or Lutheran churches (both are more than 90% white), it is less diverse than the rest of the evangelical Protestant tradition (73% white, 6% black, 13% Latino) and U.S. Protestants overall (69% white, 18% black, 8% Latino).


5Southern Baptists tend to express higher levels of religious commitment than Americans overall, though they’re generally in line with other evangelicals. Eight-in-ten Southern Baptists say religion is “very important” in their lives and that they pray at least daily (81% for both), compared with smaller majorities of Americans overall who say this (53% and 55%, respectively). The share of Southern Baptists who say the Bible is the literal word of God (61%) exceeds the share who hold this belief among all U.S. adults (31%) and among other evangelical Protestants (53%).


6Southern Baptists are more conservative than the general U.S. public on some social issues, and sometimes even more so than other evangelicals. Clear majorities of Southern Baptists say abortion should be illegal in all or most cases (66%) and that homosexuality should be discouraged by society (63%), according to the 2014 Religious Landscape Study. Smaller majorities of other evangelicals take these positions (63% and 53%, respectively), compared with minorities in the general population (43% and 31%, respectively). Like the U.S. public more broadly, Southern Baptists’ views on homosexuality have moved in a more liberal direction. In 2014, 63% said that homosexuality should be discouraged by society, down from 68% in 2007.


7Southern Baptists tend to favor the Republican Party. In 2014, roughly two-thirds of Southern Baptists identified as Republican or Republican-leaning independents (64%), a higher share than among other evangelicals (54%). These figures predate the candidacy and election of President Donald Trump. Vice President Mike Pence gave the keynote speech at last year’s Southern Baptist Convention annual meeting, drawing cheers as well as criticism.

 

[candycorn]

What we have is the Left taking over the top levels of government, making gay marriage the law of the land, then taking over the top levels of the Methodist church to force the same on its congregation, and it seems the Left leaning Catholic Pope is not far behind.

Will those the disagree with the Left have any freedoms left at all when it comes to the state and their places of worship?

So gay people aren't welcome at your church?

Where should they go?

 

[Dadoalex]

What we have is the Left taking over the top levels of government, making gay marriage the law of the land, then taking over the top levels of the Methodist church to force the same on its congregation, and it seems the Left leaning Catholic Pope is not far behind.

Will those the disagree with the Left have any freedoms left at all when it comes to the state and their places of worship?

The "left" has taken over the top levels of govt in OK?

Seriously?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"Today all of Oklahoma's federal offices, and all statewide offices, are held by the Republican Party, which also holds supermajorities in both chambers of the state Legislature."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Actually, I've said this before. No matter how far right or left you go you'll always find someone even crazier.

 

[Votto]

The "left" has taken over the top levels of govt in OK?

Seriously?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"Today all of Oklahoma's federal offices, and all statewide offices, are held by the Republican Party, which also holds supermajorities in both chambers of the state Legislature."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Actually, I've said this before. No matter how far right or left you go you'll always find someone even crazier.

The GOP are Leftist light.

They voted right along with Biden in his big spending spree to kick up inflation.

BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Votto]

So gay people aren't welcome at your church?

Where should they go?

Sinners are not welcome in the church, eh?

Not all churches are welcoming, but there are those that are. That is their job, or they will soon be out of a job.

 

[Votto]

The Southern Baptists are looking for congregants:

2The total number of Southern Baptists in the U.S. – and their share of the population – is falling. When the first Religious Landscape Study was conducted in 2007, Southern Baptists accounted for 6.7% of the U.S. adult population (compared with 5.3% in 2014). And according to the SBC’s official membership tally, there were 14.8 million members of all ages in 2018, down about 1% from a year ago – part of a longer pattern of decline.


3The Southern Baptist Convention is not a centralized church like the Roman Catholic Church, but a fellowship of congregations. Together, these congregations teach that the Bible contains no errors and that personal acceptance of Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation. Southern Baptists also practice baptism by immersion in water. As of 2018, there were 47,456 Southern Baptist churches spread across 41 state conventions, according to the denomination. But Southern Baptists remain heavily concentrated in the South: SBC figures show that 81% of its members live in the region, including about 2.7 million in Texas and more than a million each in Georgia and North Carolina.


4The vast majority of Southern Baptists are white (85%), with few black members (6%) and even fewer Latinos (3%), according to the 2014 Religious Landscape Study. Although the denomination is more racially and ethnically diverse than the largest mainline Methodist or Lutheran churches (both are more than 90% white), it is less diverse than the rest of the evangelical Protestant tradition (73% white, 6% black, 13% Latino) and U.S. Protestants overall (69% white, 18% black, 8% Latino).


5Southern Baptists tend to express higher levels of religious commitment than Americans overall, though they’re generally in line with other evangelicals. Eight-in-ten Southern Baptists say religion is “very important” in their lives and that they pray at least daily (81% for both), compared with smaller majorities of Americans overall who say this (53% and 55%, respectively). The share of Southern Baptists who say the Bible is the literal word of God (61%) exceeds the share who hold this belief among all U.S. adults (31%) and among other evangelical Protestants (53%).


6Southern Baptists are more conservative than the general U.S. public on some social issues, and sometimes even more so than other evangelicals. Clear majorities of Southern Baptists say abortion should be illegal in all or most cases (66%) and that homosexuality should be discouraged by society (63%), according to the 2014 Religious Landscape Study. Smaller majorities of other evangelicals take these positions (63% and 53%, respectively), compared with minorities in the general population (43% and 31%, respectively). Like the U.S. public more broadly, Southern Baptists’ views on homosexuality have moved in a more liberal direction. In 2014, 63% said that homosexuality should be discouraged by society, down from 68% in 2007.


7Southern Baptists tend to favor the Republican Party. In 2014, roughly two-thirds of Southern Baptists identified as Republican or Republican-leaning independents (64%), a higher share than among other evangelicals (54%). These figures predate the candidacy and election of President Donald Trump. Vice President Mike Pence gave the keynote speech at last year’s Southern Baptist Convention annual meeting, drawing cheers as well as criticism.

So if these churches just adopt the morality of the DNC, if only Jesus bows his knee to George Soros, then their churches would all prosper?

Is that what you are saying?

Have you looked at Joe Biden's approval numbers lately?

 

[Resnic]

The "left" has taken over the top levels of govt in OK?

Seriously?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"Today all of Oklahoma's federal offices, and all statewide offices, are held by the Republican Party, which also holds supermajorities in both chambers of the state Legislature."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Actually, I've said this before. No matter how far right or left you go you'll always find someone even crazier.

You seem to get a lot of satisfaction out of mocking people, even when you have to do mental gymnastics in order to do some. Very rarely do you engage in a conversation and for the most part just shit post because you get to feel good taunting people internet strangers with no chance of having to be face to face. I'm sure in real life you're too much of a coward to shit talk eyeball to eyeball.


And high level government doesn't necessarily mean at the state level. It goes beyond to federal, man of which push gay agendas on a fairly constant basis.

But I get it, you chose the narrow vision approach to your comment so you could all cap fake laughter thinking you'll piss someone off for a cheap jolly.

 

[Votto]

You seem to get a lot of satisfaction out of mocking people, even when you have to do mental gymnastics in order to do some. Very rarely do you engage in a conversation and for the most part just shit post because you get to feel good taunting people internet strangers with no chance of having to be face to face. I'm sure in real life you're too much of a coward to shit talk eyeball to eyeball.


And high level government doesn't necessarily mean at the state level. It goes beyond to federal, man of which push gay agendas on a fairly constant basis.

But I get it, you chose the narrow vision approach to your comment so you could all cap fake laughter thinking you'll piss someone off for a cheap jolly.

He was the one mocking me dolt.

Go play in traffic unless you have an actual point to make.

America is tired of the fascist self-righteous arrogant left.

And stop destroying churches like you do everything else you touch.

 

[theHawk]

I left the Methodist Church due to these issues. They’ve always had weirdo women pastors that were always horrible. Occasionally I’d find a church that had a good pastor.

 

[The Irish Ram]

So gay people aren't welcome at your church?

Where should they go?

A worldly church...

 

[Votto]

A worldly church...

That is the DNC.

A Democrat can only be a Christian so long as the church bows to the DNC on every moral issue.

The DNC has an unspoken theology of infallibility.

Cultists gotta cult.

The churches must submit or they gotta go!!

 

[surada]

That is the DNC.

A Democrat can only be a Christian so long as the church bows to the DNC on every moral issue.

The DNC has an unspoken theology of infallibility.

Cultists gotta cult.

The churches must submit or they gotta go!!

Hogwash.