Those of you against destruction of the drug-hauling boats... question...

[j-mac]

Turn blind eye, NO. Follow the laws of our country and international treaties, YES.

Funny, I never read you doing that when Obama was droning Americans in the ME, or droning a wedding in the ME…I guess the laws only apply to Trump, right?

 

[berg80]

Let's say several missiles were launched against the USA that contained drugs that could kill millions of Americans.
Would you still be against shooting down the missiles?

Your foolish analogy sounds like it comes from a place of someone searching for a legal/moral justification for the killings that doesn't exist.

 

[j-mac]

Really dumb ass?

Are we going to bomb all boats leaving South America?

WHY not?

If we have to…if they have drugs aboard, they are now warned.

 

[j-mac]

Your foolish analogy sounds like it comes from a place of someone searching for a legal/moral justification for the killings that doesn't exist.

Your opinion matters not.

 

[berg80]

Funny, I never read you doing that when Obama was droning Americans in the ME, or droning a wedding in the ME…I guess the laws only apply to Trump, right?

If you have to rely on specious whataboutisms, not a defense of what Dotard is doing standing on its own merits, you've already lost the debate.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Funny, I never read you doing that when Obama was droning Americans in the ME, or droning a wedding in the ME…I guess the laws only apply to Trump, right?

That is a war zone dumb ass.
A DO NOT travel designation by the state department for years.

Yemen Travel Advisory​

U.S. Department of State (.gov)
https://travel.state.gov › traveladvisories › traveladvisories
Mar 31, 2025 — Do not travel to Yemen due to terrorism, civil unrest, crime, health risks, kidnapping, armed conflict, and landmines.

 

[berg80]

Your opinion matters not.

Why?

Never mind, I already know. You can't make a cogent argument against it.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

If we have to…if they have drugs aboard, they are now warned.

We don't and we won't.
UNLESS...............They have oil.

 

[berg80]

The problem with you Dems is you're selective about what laws you want to follow and which you want to enforce.

IRONY ALERT!

 

[mudwhistle]

If you affiliate yourself with this regime you are involved with an anti-American group.

BTW, does the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps," "take personal responsibility for yourself" party assign any responsibility to people who use or overdose from the use of illegal drugs? You folks were certainly pretty hard on Hunter Biden.

I think this is a different case.
Most users just want to get high. They don't want to die from drugs laced with fentanyl, or synthetic opioids.

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[mudwhistle]

We don't and we won't.
UNLESS...............They have oil.

Oh?

Are those plastic containers filled with oil now?

 

[j-mac]

If you have to rely on specious whataboutisms, not a defense of what Dotard is doing standing on its own merits, you've already lost the debate.

Ridiculous…see, now you’re trying to say that going after terrorist is off limits if a dem president did it…it’s a silly argument from you. There’s something called precedent….You may not like it, but facts matter.

 

[berg80]

I think this is a different case.
Most users just want to get high. They don't want to die from drugs laced with fentanyl, or synthetic opioids.

What does "I think this is a different case" mean in this context?

 

[mudwhistle]

IRONY ALERT!

Typical Marxist.

 

[mudwhistle]

Your foolish analogy sounds like it comes from a place of someone searching for a legal/moral justification for the killings that doesn't exist.

 

[j-mac]

That is a war zone dumb ass.
A DO NOT travel designation by the state department for years.

Yemen Travel Advisory​

U.S. Department of State (.gov)
https://travel.state.gov › traveladvisories › traveladvisories
Mar 31, 2025 — Do not travel to Yemen due to terrorism, civil unrest, crime, health risks, kidnapping, armed conflict, and landmines.

Venezuela International Travel Information

Venezuela international travel information and Travel Advisory

travel.state.gov

 

[berg80]

Ridiculous…see, now you’re trying to say that going after terrorist is off limits if a dem president did it

No, I don't. Because I'm not. The reason being these are not situations that are analogous to each other.

The U.S. government built a case that al-Awlaki was a key figure in plotting and inspiring terrorist attacks against the United States, which formed the basis for their decision to target him without a trial.

Evidence and Government Position

• Operational Role in Terror Plots: U.S. officials linked al-Awlaki to multiple specific terrorist plots. These included the 2009 attempted Christmas Day bombing of a U.S.-bound airliner (Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the "underwear bomber", met with al-Awlaki in Yemen) and the 2010 plot to blow up U.S.-bound cargo planes with printer-cartridge bombs.
• Inspiration and Recruitment: Al-Awlaki was a prominent English-speaking cleric who used the internet to spread radical ideology and call for violent jihad against the United States. He was known as an influential recruiter and propagandist, and was linked to numerous other individuals convicted of terrorism-related offenses, including the Fort Hood shooter, Major Nidal Hasan, who exchanged emails with him.
• Formal Designation: In July 2010, the U.S. Treasury Department and the United Nations Security Council officially designated al-Awlaki as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist.
• Legal Justification: The Obama administration, through a secret legal memo from the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC), justified the targeted killing as a lawful act of war under the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF). The administration argued that al-Awlaki posed an "imminent threat of violent attack against the United States" and that capturing him was not feasible at the time.

 

[berg80]

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Not defending drug cartels, as you know. Questioning, ALONG WITH R'S, the legality of the strikes against the boats and especially the second strike against the survivors of the Sept. 2 strike.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Oh?

Are those plastic containers filled with oil now?

Holy ****.
The country, not the contents in the boats.

Why is the Trump regime only bombing boats coming from an oil rich country?

 

[Anathema]

No

ANY “missiles” launched against the USA should be shot down

Random boats… not so much

See the difference?

Okay…

Let’s say a foreign actor was shipping components which could be used to make a dirty bomb into the USA via private boats and planes. Would you agree that intercepting them violently would be appropriate?