Those Fired or Dismissed By the New Administration

[Independent thinker]

If a black person applies for a job in a black-owned business and 78 percent of the employees in that business are black but that business hires a white person instead of that back person, is that racial discrimination?

I just asked you a simple question. If you judge people by the color of their skin, isn't that discrimination?

 

[IM2]

I think those wrongs would be better fixed by improving educational opportunities for minorities. And for all kids in poor communities, really.

Poor kids deserve the exact same standard of education as middle class and rich kids.

That’s where the playing field needs to be leveled.

That would help some perhaps but racism in education is another entirely different subject. Improving education really has little to do with this braalian. Check this out.

The Continuing Power of White Preferences in Employment​

Aug 1, 2023

By investigating a variety of White-Black unemployment-rate comparisons, this report reveals that White people as a group always have better employment outcomes than similar Black people. Among veterans, people with disabilities, people who were formerly incarcerated, and the foreign-born, the data suggests that employers prefer White candidates over their Black peers. White people fare better in finding employment even when educational attainment, skills, and city of residence are the same.

Key takeaways can be found below:

• From 2000 to 2022, in 14 out of 23 years, the overall Black unemployment rate was higher than the rate for White high school dropouts.
• Across five different categories of college majors, the Black unemployment rates are double the respective White rates.
• The Black teen unemployment rate is nearly double the White rate. Even when employers have little or no skill requirements, they still prefer White candidates.
• The White-Black unemployment disparity is much larger within Chicago, New York, and the District of Columbia than in the nation overall.

Some of these outcomes can be attributed to overt anti-Black attitudes, while others to the more covert form of discrimination that results from hiring within White social networks. To address these trends, the U.S. needs stronger anti-discrimination enforcement, a Federal Reserve committed to achieving maximum employment, and a national, subsidized employment program targeted to high-unemployment communities. None of these policy solutions can stand alone, but rather can work alongside one another to close the White-Black unemployment gap.

The Continuing Power of White Preferences in Employment

cepr.net

 

[IM2]

Hispanics -are- Whites.

No, because there are black Hispanics.

 

[IM2]

I just asked you a simple question. If you judge people by the color of their skin, isn't that discrimination?

And I asked you one because your question is disingenuous and ignores what is actually happening. So again:

If a black person applies for a job in a black-owned business and 78 percent of the employees in that business are black but that business hires a white person instead of that back person, is that racial discrimination?

 

[IM2]

About half of adults in the United States attribute the worse economic outcomes for Black people to a low level of education. This viewpoint is not supported by the unemployment data. As the economist William Spriggs has noted, the overall Black unemployment rate is regularly higher than the unemployment rate just for White high school dropouts. More than 90 percent of the Black labor force has a high school diploma or higher level of educational attainment, but White high school dropouts tend to have an equal or better chance than the average Black person in finding employment.

Figure 1 illustrates this fact. In 2022, the overall Black unemployment rate was 5 percent, and the unemployment rate for White high school dropouts was 4.8 percent. From 2000 to 2022, in 14 out of 23 years, the overall Black unemployment rate was higher than the rate for White high school dropouts. For the sake of obtaining employment, if one had to choose between being a White high school dropout or a random Black person, the correct choice would be to be a White high school dropout. If one is White, one doesn’t need education to have a better unemployment outcome than a Black person.

The Continuing Power of White Preferences in Employment

cepr.net

 

[Independent thinker]

And I asked you one because your question is disingenuous and ignores what is actually happening. So again:

If a black person applies for a job in a black-owned business and 78 percent of the employees in that business are black but that business hires a white person instead of that back person, is that racial discrimination?

My question is a simple one. Discrimination is when you judge people unfarily just because of the color of their skin. I would think you would agree with that but, apparently, you don't.

 

[IM2]

My question is a simple one. Discrimination is when you judge people unfarily just because of the color of their skin. I would think you would agree with that but, apparently, you don't.

And so is mine.

If a black person applies for a job in a black-owned business and 78 percent of the employees in that business are black but that business hires a white person instead of that back person, is that racial discrimination?

Because whites are complaining about discrimination when the places they claim are discriminating against them by race are majority white.

 

[drudge X]

And so is mine.

If a black person applies for a job in a black-owned business and 78 percent of the employees in that business are black but that business hires a white person instead of that back person, is that racial discrimination?

Because whites are complaining about discrimination when the places they claim are discriminating against them by race are majority white.

How is it discrimination if the white person has the qualifications? If this black owned business required the applicant to speak Swahili cause the business majority customer base speak Swahili only and the white person cannot but the black per can and not get the job, the the black applicant is being discriminated. It's not hard. It's same as not seeing people who cannot speak Cantonese or Mandarin working in a Chinese restaurant catering to majority of Chinese.

 

[beagle9]

This assumption that DEI lowers quality is racist. So is the assumption that qualified whites are always left out. Equal opportunity employment and advancement should not be shut down.

You stay so wrong about everything, that it makes no sense how you just keep on and on with your bull chit here.

 

[beagle9]

And so is mine.

If a black person applies for a job in a black-owned business and 78 percent of the employees in that business are black but that business hires a white person instead of that back person, is that racial discrimination?

Because whites are complaining about discrimination when the places they claim are discriminating against them by race are majority white.

Whites are complaining about businesses discriminating against them, and those businesses are made up of a majority white ??? Are you just stupid or worse ?

 

[beagle9]

Yep. They ended AA and DEI just before whites become a minority. Then watch as they start crying when people decide not to hire whites

Think you got it all figured out do ya boy ?

 

[Independent thinker]

And so is mine.

If a black person applies for a job in a black-owned business and 78 percent of the employees in that business are black but that business hires a white person instead of that back person, is that racial discrimination?

Because whites are complaining about discrimination when the places they claim are discriminating against them by race are majority white.

I guess I'll never get a straight answer from you. Maybe I'll ask the question in a different way. Do you think white people can be discriminated against?

 

[Foxfyre]

There’s gonna be a lot of this, so I thought a convenient place to keep a running talley would be handy.

The now ex Commandant of the puddle pirates er Coast Guard has been dismissed over failures to protect the country and DEI focus.

MSN

What competent, honorable person wants to be seen as the DEI employee? Some years ago, through business associations, I became acquainted with a beautiful black woman and while working together we really clicked and became besties. She was brilliant, intuitive, extremely knowledgeable and capable. A person to be truly admired and appreciated.

But once the trust level was established she confided in me some of her frustrations with the world we shared. The most aggravating situation she put up with was not just dealing with cultural prejudices against women in management--if we manage like the men we are characterized as 'karens' or 'bitches' or 'over compensating' or whatever. It's a tightrope we have all walked.

But she, being black, also had to contend with being perceived as the "Affirmative Action" (now called DEI) employee. They saw her as the token black first often never giving her deserved credit for her superior education, experience, aptitude, capability, track record etc.

And aren't we all guilty of that re Biden's appointees (or his deep state handlers) when he specifically chose them based on gender, sexual orientation, skin color, gender identification? Even the ones who might have done their jobs competently were seen first as DEI people. It didn't help that for far too many, they indeed were not suitable for their jobs and did them extremely poorly.

There is no way in hell Kamala Harris had anything it took to manage the country as President. But even if she had been capable, she would have been saddled with the DEI stigma as she was chosen at VP ONLY because she was black and female. There were infinitely better qualified people that could have been chosen. Hakeem Jeffries for one but he was automatically disqualified because he's a guy.

How much better to hire, choose, appoint on merit. That's better for women. That's better for black people. That's better for everybody.

 

[sparky]

It is not about what you and other right-wing extremist morons believe.

The facts speak for themselves better than your wittle white feewings.

Who Benefits From Diversity And Inclusion Efforts?​

While many white women have made gains in American workplaces, the gains for racial and ethnic minority women haven't been as significant. According to another McKinsey study, white women hold nearly 19% of all C-suite positions, while racial and ethnic minority women only hold 4%. Overall, white women have benefited disproportionally from corporate DEI efforts.

Who Benefits From Diversity And Inclusion Efforts?

With all the financial investment, time and attention put into advancing diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) in corporations, it is crucial to understand who benefit...

www.forbes.com

Women in the Workplace 2024: The 10th-anniversary report

Now celebrating its 10th anniversary, McKinsey’s annual Women in the Workplace report is the largest study of women in corporate America. See our 2024 findings.

www.mckinsey.com

White women benefit most from affirmative action. So why do they oppose it?

People associate affirmative action with ending discrimination against people of color. But women are the greatest beneficiaries, scholars say.

www.usatoday.com

Affirmative Action Has Helped White Women More Than Anyone

Studies show affirmative action helps white women as much or more than others

time.com

White women benefit most from affirmative action — and are among its fiercest opponents

The willingness to erase white women from the story of affirmative action is part of the problem.

www.vox.com

On Tuesday evening, the New York Times revealed a new bombshell. Recently obtained documents from the Justice Department indicate the Trump administration is planning to target affirmative action on university campuses, likely arguing that it discriminates against white college applicants.

Ironically, the group that affirmative action helps the most is also one of its most stringent opponents. Statistics show that white women benefit immensely from affirmative action, but according to Vox, they are also among those who most want to see it abolished.

The numbers prove it: After two decades of affirmative action, it was white women who held the majority of managerial jobs, compared to African American, Latino, and Asian American women (the supposed beneficiaries of these policies), according to a 1995 report by the California Senate Government Organization Committee. Across the board, affirmative action helped women obtain success in the labor market. Today, women are more educated and successful in the workforce than ever before, while married women are taking over as household breadwinners.

Who Does Affirmative Action Benefit? White Women Are Some Of Its Biggest Opponents

On Tuesday evening, the New York Times revealed a new bombshell. Recently obtained documents from the Justice Department indicate the Trump administration is planning to target affirmative action on university campuses, likely arguing that it…

www.bustle.com

Affirmative Action Has Helped White Women More Than Anyone

Studies show affirmative action helps white women as much or more than others

www.yahoo.com

Since the 1970s, affirmative action has required employers to seek out and give preference to women and minorities in occupations where they are under-represented.

https://spia.uga.edu/faculty_pages/rbakker/pdfs/affirmativeAction.pdf

Who benefits the most from affirmative action and why that might surprise you

According to a report from the Centre for American Progress, white women "may have been among the greatest beneficiaries" of efforts to integrate and diversify campuses in recent decades.

Between 1967 and 2009, female college enrollment more than doubled from 19 per cent to a whopping 44 per cent. It was during this time that white women age 25 to 35 with college degrees surged from less than 15 per cent to more than 40 per cent.

So why is there a misconception about who is benefitting the most from affirmative action? According to racism education professor Robin DiAngelo, the answer is quite literally black and white.

"As long as you frame it (affirmative action) as a racial issue, you will have animus towards it," Prof DiAngelo explained to Politico. "It’s been an incredibly effective means to stimulate racial animus."

White women are the 'greatest beneficiaries' of affirmative action

According to a report from the Centre for American Progress, white women 'may have been among the greatest beneficiaries' of efforts to integrate and diversify campuses in recent decades - they have a 'renewed responsibility' now that affirmative action has been overturned by the Supreme Court

www.mirror.co.uk

In short, whites have used AA in their race huste nd pimp strtegy.

So DEI is failing just as AA did, why am i not surprised?

sure makes a colorblind meritocracy look better IM2

~S~

 

[beagle9]

What competent, honorable person wants to be seen as the DEI employee? Some years ago, through business associations, I became acquainted with a beautiful black woman and while working together we really clicked and became besties. She was brilliant, intuitive, extremely knowledgeable and capable. A person to be truly admired and appreciated.

But once the trust level was established she confided in me some of her frustrations with the world we shared. The most aggravating situation she put up with was not just dealing with cultural prejudices against women in management--if we manage like the men we are characterized as 'karens' or 'bitches' or 'over compensating' or whatever. It's a tightrope we have all walked.

But she, being black, also had to contend with being perceived as the "Affirmative Action" (now called DEI) employee. They saw her as the token black first often never giving her deserved credit for her superior education, experience, aptitude, capability, track record etc.

And aren't we all guilty of that re Biden's appointees (or his deep state handlers) when he specifically chose them based on gender, sexual orientation, skin color, gender identification? Even the ones who might have done their jobs competently were seen first as DEI people. It didn't help that for far too many, they indeed were not suitable for their jobs and did them extremely poorly.

There is no way in hell Kamala Harris had anything it took to manage the country as President. But even if she had been capable, she would have been saddled with the DEI stigma as she was chosen at VP ONLY because she was black and female. There were infinitely better qualified people that could have been chosen. Hakeem Jeffries for one but he was automatically disqualified because he's a guy.

How much better to hire, choose, appoint on merit. That's better for women. That's better for black people. That's better for everybody.

Great post, and sadly your bestie became another victim of the long running narrative that blacks need specialized treatment or they just can't compete or make it today.

It's all lies, but the stigma as you put it was so perfectly cast, and it was due to the constant race baiting, pandering politicians, and the activist like Sharpton, Jackson, Farakhan and other's who were using the black issue (in which they refuse to accept that it has all but played out in the way that they were using it), for the purpose of gaining wealth, self interest, and power off of the continuing narrative created that was being pushed.

Then you get these white brainwashed liberals who attempted to cast blacks into a role that suggested that they can't get ID to vote. Make it all make sense.

 

[Foxfyre]

Great post, and sadly your bestie became another victim of the long running narrative that blacks need specialized treatment or they just can't compete or make it today.

It's all lies, but the stigma as you put it was so perfectly cast, and it was due to the constant race baiting, pandering politicians, and the activist like Sharpton, Jackson, Farakhan and other's who were using the black issue (in which they refuse to accept that it has all but played out in the way that they were using it), for the purpose of gaining wealth, self interest, and power off of the continuing narrative created that was being pushed.

Then you get these white brainwashed liberals who attempted to cast blacks into a role that suggested that they can't get ID to vote. Make it all make sense.

And some are so clueless, insensitive, even cruel when they suggest that black people or women or anybody else has no chance without affirmative action/DEI. They have no idea how insulting that is to my friend, RIP. Or me who absolutely merited every job I ever got and earned every penny of every paycheck I ever received.

 

[LeftofLeft]

This assumption that DEI lowers quality is racist. So is the assumption that qualified whites are always left out. Equal opportunity employment and advancement should not be shut down.

DEI by its very design and mission puts Class above qualifications and skills sets.

 

[The Duke]

My question is a simple one. Discrimination is when you judge people unfarily just because of the color of their skin. I would think you would agree with that but, apparently, you don't.

Now you're catchin' on.
I have that tard on ignore. He's not worth it.

 

[Independent thinker]

Now you're catchin' on.
I have that tard on ignore. He's not worth it.

I don’t like to put the tards on ignore. It makes them feel like they won the debate.

 

[Hollie]

You and the others here are the ones posting racist bullshit. Everything you have said about AA and DEI is racist. I am the one tired of racism. You are tired of my opposing your racism.

You fell down and bumped your head again, right?