Thomas Friedman: Obama Can See America From Iran's Perspective

[pismoe]

say what you want JOEB but you may have forgotten about Israels fleet of DOOMSDAT submarines . Think that they have 6 and the subs are new German manufacture and are multi nuke weapon / missle capable . And then , if Egypt and a few other wealthy or developed Arab states urge Israel to go to work , well heck , Israel might go to work !!

 

[bendog]

Sometimes, do you get the feeling that the gop is the party of stupid?
“Negotiation 101: You sit across the table. First of all, you put yourself on the other side of the table and you say ‘What do they, what can they do, what can’t they do. You get the lay of the land. The second thing you do is, you make an offer that they will accept some in that range, and you’d be willing to take. And the third thing you do in a negotiation, you want to end up, as you walk out the door, with a win/win,” said Welch. - See more at: The Shutdown And Presidency Power With Jack Welch State of the Markets

Iranians are NOT stupid and neither are we when negotiating......

The art of compromise is based on the reality that no one really loses, and NO ONE really wins.

Iranians know full well that sanctions (with Russia and China snickering and violating any bans) do very little.....and that the only other recourse is for us to attack Iran (which is 3 times the size of Iraq with formidable armed forces).....and that would be INSANITY....

As the Iranians know this, so does the Obama administration....ERGO, diplomacy is the only alternative....but right wingers consider this an act of "appeasement"...WHY??? Well, they are fundamentally stupid.

The reality of the situation has no place in the conservative warhawk assessment. They think Iran is a backward Afghanistan like place rather than the developed, educated place it really is and you cannot tell them any different.

Well, whether the gop can accurately perceive Iran is an interesting question, but when they seriously think they can criticize a guy negotiating over the fact that HE CORRECTLY perceives the other party's needs and motivations, we've entered clown car time. I was surprised Scarborough didn't walk back that load of bs.

 

[francoHFW]

its on more than one Site Franco .

What are you referring to, and why silly?

 

[francoHFW]

Doomsday subs- another reason Israel is hardly in existential danger...

And please, dupes, Muslims are not suicidal or insane or war mongering...except THEIR fundie/ignorant RW hater dupes.

 

[pismoe]

the news that Egypt , Jordan and the Saudis might 'approve' of an Israeli strike on 'iran' Franco . Its on more than 'CBN' as far as I know . I've also seen reference by talking heads on FOX . Hey , it only makes sense . the guys I mention don't want 'shiite' iran to have nukes or they'll just need some of their own and all 3 , especially the Saudis have money enough to buy the best . Yep , mrobama has set you guys up Franco . You and your kids are looking at a bright future of defense spending and war or threats of war !! Worldwide war maybe and being scared of nuke clouds and the dreaded nuclear winter !!

 

[pismoe]

read about 'irans' muslim sect called 'twelvers' and most of iran is Shiite and most Shiites are 'twelvers' I think Franco . Check it out , maybe I'll get a link Franco !!

 

[nat4900]

Franco, don't even bother with what pissmore writes.....

First of all, the Christian Broadcasting Networ...is one of Pat Robertson...700 Club, etc. brainwashing outlet (you know, "good Christians send us your money so we can buy a newer Lear Jet"...)

Second, currently its no skin off the noses of Saudis or Egyptians to have Israel launch airstrikes against Iran....but THEN, the ire of all Muslim nations will squarely fall on Bibi's war-mongering regime...including all of Europe and perhaps even the US regardless of the Israeli lobby that spends millions on bribing congress.)

Third, any air strike simply delays the inevitable for Iran's nuclear capabilities but with the added animosity as Iran parades bodies from errant Israeli bombs.

 

[pismoe]

a little info for you Franco !! --- Twelver - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ---

 

[pismoe]

morning NAT !!

 

[pismoe]

a little more info for you Franco , now don't rant and rave because it is FOX , checkout what they have to say about irans twelvers and then check it out , might be interesting and informative !! --- Why Iran s Top Leaders Believe That the End of Days Has Come Fox News ---

 

[deltex1]

Of course, Obama looks at America from the view point of the radicals that seek to destroy us. Is anyone surprised? He acted as Iran's agent during the nuclear talks. He gave them what they want with no promises in return. Iran has already proudly announced that there will be no inspections of their military bases. Only someone who feels the same way they do toward Israel, America and our allies would be happy about this so-called deal.

Iran is the biggest sponsor of terrorism. And Obama trusts them. Did Obama secretly cheer on 9/11? No one on the left would admit it, but he refuses to condemn them, he approved of building a mosque near ground zero and he changed 9/11 to a happy day of community service. I think the radicals believe that the terrorists were just engaging in community service that day.

Shame that our own president doesn't have that kind of admiration for this country.


"Appearing on today's Morning Joe, Friedman apparently thought he was praising Obama, but Joe Scarborough wasn't so sure, asking "is it an admirable quality for us to have a president who can look at the world through the eyes of a regime that you and I both know has been the epicenter of terrorism since 1979?" "

See more at: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2015/04/13/friedman-obama-can-see-america-irans-perspective#sthash.teyTc7QM.dpuf

I wonder what it's like...looking up a mullah's ass.....

 

[nat4900]

Poor Franco...subjected to posts from a dingbat (pissmore)......

Iranian "Twelvers" are very comparable to our own home-spun amillennialists..those who believe in the Rapture and should send all their money to crooks holding a Bible....
So, how different are some Americans (perhaps eeven pissmore) from Iranian Twelvers? NOT MUCH!!

What is The Rapture

About 85 percent of Christian theologians and Christians who have studied the Bible (as opposed to just reading it) believe in the Rapture and the Tribulation, which will be followed by a 1000 years of Christ reigning together with the resurrected saints (referred to as the Millennial Kingdom).
Christians who do not believe in the Rapture and the Millennial Kingdom are referred to as "amillennialists". They believe that mankind will simply become better and better through the efforts of the Church, and when mankind becomes holy enough Christ will return. However, the evidence of the general moral deterioration of mankind in the twentieth century seems to disprove this view. Also, Jesus said that in the end days people will become more cruel, not less:

 

[nat4900]

[QUOTE="deltex1, post: 11196831, member: 41661
I wonder what it's like...looking up a mullah's ass.....[/QUOTE]

Probably not much different from your view since you seem to have your own head up your arse....

 

[pismoe]

yeah , only difference might be that USA government is not run by people , mullahs and 'imams that are trying to create the Rapture NAT !! He11 , religious law is what runs 'iran' and it is commonly known as 'sharia' law !! Twelvers are looking to create conditions that are favorable to the 'mahdis' return . iran head guy is a Shiite mullah NAT !! Why are you so disrespectful to 'Franco' NAT ?? He is an adult , let him read , check it out , learn , reject or accept !!

 

[francoHFW]

I don't think Iran even WANTS a nuke, and I'm sick to death of religion in politics. lol

 

[pismoe]

might be naïve thinking Franco , after all 'iran' is a religious state with a mullah and imam sharia law run religious government !! USA and western countries are some form of SECULAR run government , usually democratic republics or democracy or variations of secular government .

 

[whutTHEYsay]

That's not what Obama is doing.
He sees through their eyes in deference to them. Not seeing through their eyes as a means to defend THIS nation.

What is not being 'defended' with regard to negotiating a deal with Iran
along with five other nations that do not see the world in deference to lunatic US neocons and their sympathetic Republicans and the hysterical right wing entertainment news industry?

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Being able to see through the eyes of your adversary and to know your enemy is a valuable ability sadly lacking in nearly every conservative on the face of the earth.

Napoleon had these traits, yet he didn't' sell out his country.

In fact, what did your post even contribute to the discussion?

 

[pismoe]

the other 5 nations , I'd say that they are stupid and are looking for short term gain afforded by lifting sanctions 'notfooled' . Besides that playing the role of part of the following herd of dummies makes no sense to me . Hey , go ahead , support the agreement as I think that it will work out like 'obamacare' where health care costs are said to be rising and you couldn't keep your doctor no matter what mrobama said 'notfooled' !!

 

[Theowl32]

this thread points out rather well, WHY right wingers are both lousy and constant losers at chess and even simple debate....especially when their hatred of Obama gets the best of them.

Idiots.........

You are a ******* loser, and I would destroy you at chess. ******* moron.

You have no debate skills. All you have are your democrat talking points. You are nothing but a ******* trained smelly monkey for your pathetic democrat gods.

Funny. Someone that votes democrat and calls anyone an idiot.