This story is so sad

[alang1216]

thats not pro abortion,,, if anything its pro life,,,

So in this case, the woman having an abortion is in fact a pro life act? If so, I agree.

 

[progressive hunter]

So in this case, the woman having an abortion is in fact a pro life act? If so, I agree.

if true,,

 

[dblack]

Her state govt FORCED THIS upon her.
Let me say it again.
Her state govt FORCED THIS upon her.

"It's different when we do it!"

 

[alang1216]

if true,,

If true or not, banning ALL abortions is morally wrong as this example shows. Setting restrictions on legal abortion choices is the moral thing to do.

 

[progressive hunter]

If true or not, banning ALL abortions is morally wrong as this example shows. Setting restrictions on legal abortion choices is the moral thing to do.

and that brings us back to the pendulum turning into a wrecking ball,,

the left should have been happy with safe rare and legal instead of pushing up to birth,,

 

[alang1216]

and that brings us back to the pendulum turning into a wrecking ball,,

the left should have been happy with safe rare and legal instead of pushing up to birth,,

False, "pushing up to birth", is exactly what we agree is the acceptable moral lesson of the OP.

First, abortions after the first trimester were rare. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, about 1.3 percent of abortions were performed at or greater than 21 weeks of gestation in 2015. In contrast, 91.1 percent were performed at or before 13 weeks and 7.6 percent at 14 to 20 weeks.

Can a woman really get an abortion 'moments before birth’? “No, absolutely, no if she is in the middle of giving birth. That’s not how medical care works,” said Jenn Conti, an abortion provider in San Francisco and fellow with Physicians for Reproductive Health. She called the idea “sensationalized fake news" and said she believes a lot of the confusion comes from the use of the term “late-term” abortions. It’s “intentionally vague,” she said, so even though later abortions typically take place at the end of the second trimester people may believe they are much later in pregnancy.

How did this falsehood get spread? President Trump repeated the misleading assertion in his State of the Union address, stating, “New York cheered with delight upon the passage of legislation that would allow a baby to be ripped from the mother’s womb moments before birth.” The New York law allows for women after 24 weeks of pregnancy to get an abortion if “there is an absence of fetal viability, or the abortion is necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.”

 

[progressive hunter]

False, "pushing up to birth", is exactly what we agree is the acceptable moral lesson of the OP.

First, abortions after the first trimester were rare. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, about 1.3 percent of abortions were performed at or greater than 21 weeks of gestation in 2015. In contrast, 91.1 percent were performed at or before 13 weeks and 7.6 percent at 14 to 20 weeks.

Can a woman really get an abortion 'moments before birth’? “No, absolutely, no if she is in the middle of giving birth. That’s not how medical care works,” said Jenn Conti, an abortion provider in San Francisco and fellow with Physicians for Reproductive Health. She called the idea “sensationalized fake news" and said she believes a lot of the confusion comes from the use of the term “late-term” abortions. It’s “intentionally vague,” she said, so even though later abortions typically take place at the end of the second trimester people may believe they are much later in pregnancy.

How did this falsehood get spread? President Trump repeated the misleading assertion in his State of the Union address, stating, “New York cheered with delight upon the passage of legislation that would allow a baby to be ripped from the mother’s womb moments before birth.” The New York law allows for women after 24 weeks of pregnancy to get an abortion if “there is an absence of fetal viability, or the abortion is necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.”

we didnt agree on that,,

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Not really an factor in this case is it so you have to move the goalposts? But I understand, your blind allegiance to an ideology won't allow you to admit that in this case, choosing to have an abortion is the right thing to do and Texas is not doing the right thing.

Pfffffffffffttt!

 

[alang1216]

we didnt agree on that,,

Oh? So you don't think it is acceptable for this woman in her situation should be allowed to have an abortion?

 

[alang1216]

Pfffffffffffttt!

I'll reply as soon as I can find a 2-year-old to translate it for me.

 

[progressive hunter]

Oh? So you don't think it is acceptable for this woman in her situation should be allowed to have an abortion?

youre going in circles,,,

you dont need to legalize abortion up to birth for people like her to get what they need,,

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I'll reply as soon as I can find a 2-year-old to translate it for me.

Thank you for sharing your opinion. Know that we value it and a representative will respond soon.

 

[alang1216]

youre going in circles,,,

you dont need to legalize abortion up to birth for people like her to get what they need,,

And you didn't answer my simple question: do you think it is morally acceptable for this woman in her situation to have an abortion? A simple 'Yes' or 'No' will suffice.

 

[progressive hunter]

And you didn't answer my simple question: do you think it is morally acceptable for this woman in her situation to have an abortion? A simple 'Yes' or 'No' will suffice.

asked and answered,,

 

[alang1216]

First:

I'm confused, you cited the OP as an example of the pendulum swinging too far to the Right by refusing to allow an abortion. Did I get that right? If so, you must think that abortion was an acceptable option in this case. True or false?

You replied: in this case if true yes

Then this exchange:

False, "pushing up to birth", is exactly what we agree is the acceptable moral lesson of the OP.

we didnt agree on that,,

asked and answered,,

I'm not sure it has. Do we agree that in this particular case, abortion was an acceptable option? If not, what did you agree to in the first exchange?

 

[progressive hunter]

First:

You replied: in this case if true yes

Then this exchange:

we didnt agree on that,,


I'm not sure it has. Do we agree that in this particular case, abortion was an acceptable option? If not, what did you agree to in the first exchange?

you keep moving the goalpost after I agreed with you on a specific case,,

 

[alang1216]

you keep moving the goalpost after I agreed with you on a specific case,,

How so?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

you keep moving the goalpost after I agreed with you on a specific case,,

Moving the goalposts is one of the very few tools they have that they actually believe works.

 

[Care4all]

and that brings us back to the pendulum turning into a wrecking ball,,

the left should have been happy with safe rare and legal instead of pushing up to birth,,

Yearly Abortions have dropped nearly half, since their peak. They have not expanded. You are pushing a lie.... Democrats didn't do this to republicans by pushing abortion laws farther and farther, that's just right wing lying bunk.

Elective Abortions HAVE NEVER BEEN LEGAL IN THE USA BEYOND 24 WEEKS, since Roe v Wade, nearly 50 years.

The right wing political posturing term, Late Term abortions, occur only in the woman's 2nd Trimester, from 13 weeks to 24..... Most at the 13 week mark for 2nd trimester abortions.


NONE OCCUR in the third trimester of pregnancy by choice, its already illegal, in every state.

This right wing rhetoric, POLITICAL jargon, and lies, has got to STOP.

Abortion is becoming more rare since Roe was decided.

More single women, are having their babies now.

50% of all American children born each year, are born to single mothers who chose to have their out of wedlock children, in the USA....it's on the increase, year after year.

It'll likely be 80% born each year, with missing dads after the repubs are done with their authoritarian bullshit.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

What a stupid point. Very few of us pro-lifers want women to die to avoid abortions, and if you're opining that we are all that way, you are full of shit.

Yep. EVERY living creature has the right to SELF DEFENSE.

These cases are EXTREMELY rare though and are an INSIGNIFICANT part of the 65 MILLION lives snuffed out by irresponsible parents