Israel Bombs Home of Gaza Pediatrician, Killing 9 of Her 10 Kids, in Latest Attack on Health Workers

Yes, I am stating the fact that the Netanyahu government knew over a year in advance(1) of the Gaza uprising.

Do you deny that fact?

Also, numerous foreign intelligence agencies around the world warned Netanyahu's government about the pending attacks.

Egypt told certain Israeli officials just two days before the attack on which day to expect the attack.

Next, guards at the Wall reported hostile activity just hours before the attack and the same certain officials did nothing but withdraw troops from the Wall.

Why?
Israelis are justifiably proud of their technological sophistication and are lucky enough to have an unlimited military budget for R & D.

Unlike any other country's arms industries, Israel's weapon's development industry also has a human testing ground on which to do their experiments (2).

Since Israel has unfettered access to U.S. spy satellites, it is even more inaccurate to call the tragic event of 7 October 2023 a "Surprise attack" when so many Israeli officials ignored.

Yes, it is as despicable as it is bizarre that certain officials felt that sacrificing a controlled number of Israelis was worth the price of being able to seize Gaza while exterminating / expelling Gaza's native residents.

Another salient factor is that this is not the first time that malevolent Zionists have been willing to sacrifice other Jews for a "Greater Israel":

For example:

ā€œIf I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.ā€

Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth’s Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation).

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Conspicuously missing, today, is any sort of investigation into who permitted the attack to occur and why.

Who decided to withdraw troops from the Wall two days before an imminent attack?

Another grotesque display of murderous incompetence that no rational Israeli should accept is IDF's promiscuous killing of hostages and other Israelis.

Among the 300 Israelis killed by IDF just in the first day, some were killed by IDF tank fire (3) and about three shirtless hostages waving flags were even gunned down while attempting to greet their liberators.

Long before the Gaza uprising / attack of 7 October, Israel's right wing expansionists and militant "Settler" types have repeatedly employed their old "Provoke-Then-Massacre" M.O. to seize / steal more and more Palestinian land.

"Our strategy was always to provoke the Arabs and get an appropriate response so we could attack and smash them."

Moshe Dayan

Briefly put, the tragic events of 7 October 2023 were the predictable and desired response to about 80 years of humiliating Zionist genocide and land theft.

Yes, the Gaza uprising / attack, was as irrational as it was fatally flawed, however, Palestine's occupied and long tormented native residents are a people without hope and desperate people do desperate things.



(1). "New York Times report says Israel knew about Hamas attack over a year in advance"

EXCERPT "Israel’s military was aware of Hamas ' plan to launch an attack on Israeli soil over a year before the devastating Oct. 7 operation that killed hundreds of people, The New York Times reported Friday.

It was the latest in a series of signs that top Israeli commanders either ignored or played down warnings that Hamas was plotting the attack, which triggered a war against the Islamic militant group that has devastated the Gaza Strip.

The Times said Israeli officials were in possession of a 40-page battle plan, code-named ā€œJericho Wall,ā€ that detailed a hypothetical Hamas attack on southern Israeli communities." CONTINUED



(2). ā€œThe Labā€: Israel Tests Weapons, Tactics On Captive Palestinian Population
https://www.wrmea.org/2013-septembe...actics-on-captive-palestinian-population.html

EXCERPT "ā€œThe Lab,ā€ which won a recent award at DocAviv, Israel’s documentary Oscars, is due to premiere in the U.S. in August. Directed by Yotam Feldman, the film presents the first close-up view of Israel’s arms industry and the dealers who have enriched themselves.

The title relates to the film’s central argument: that Israel has rapidly come to rely on the continuing captivity of Palestinians in what are effectively the world’s largest open-air prisons.

The reason is that there are massive profits to be made from testing Israeli military innovations on the more than four million Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank."CONTINUED



(3). "Another Israeli witness confirms Israeli tanks killed own citizens on Oct. 7"

ā€˜At that point, it was clear to me that our role is to be a human shield between our forces that arrived and them (Hamas),’ says Hadas Dagan"


EXCERPT ā€œIn an interview with Channel 12 in Israel, Dagan confirmed that the Israeli army attacked the house where Israeli civilians were held by Hamas with tank fires and heavy weapons.

Recounting the horror over the killing of 14 people in the house, including her husband, Dagan talked about the moment Israeli soldiers arrived in front of their house. "At that point, it was clear to me that our role is to be a human shield between our (Israeli) forces that arrived and them (Hamas)." CONTINUED


(4). "Slain Israeli hostages were shirtless, waving white flag: Reports"​


EXCERPT "The three men were shirtless and one of them was waving a makeshift white flag, according to the reports. The shots killed two of the men, while a third was wounded but managed to flee to a nearby building.

He was later killed by gunfire when he came out of the building, after crying for help in Hebrew, the probe reportedly found." CONTINUED
Ha ha ha. You completely missed th point. Whether or not Israel let it happen, it wasn’t an ā€œuprisingā€ you moron, it was a preplanned barbaric genocidal attack on completely innocent civilians, women, children, seniors and teenagers by thousands of Palestinians. An attack that was celebrated by Palestinians many of which even joined in as the attack was taking place. The fact that you ignore and support such behavior by these animals proves that you are a morally and ethically bankrupt bigot, driven by hatred, lack of proper education and ignorance. Which is the typical Pali supporter.
 
"SLANDER AND LOSERS"

Ha ha ha. You completely missed th point. Whether or not Israel let it happen, it wasn’t an ā€œuprisingā€ you moron, it was a preplanned barbaric genocidal attack on completely innocent civilians, women, children, seniors and teenagers by thousands of Palestinians. An attack that was celebrated by Palestinians many of which even joined in as the attack was taking place. The fact that you ignore and support such behavior by these animals proves that you are a morally and ethically bankrupt bigot, driven by hatred, lack of proper education and ignorance. Which is the typical Pali supporter.


"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser"
-
Socrates


Do you ever read your insulting and bigoted hysterical drivel ?

I had had hoped to be writing to adults and, therefor was civil, truthful and able to support my views with sources far more credible than your hate filled Hasbara script.

You frequently rely on simple epithets like "moron" to evade substantive discussion and reveal the weakness of your hate filled and outright lies.

Finally, I dare you to refute anything I've both written and supported with something other than easily debunked and hysterical lies about "these animals".

After all, I know of no animals more cowardly or criminal than the genocidal Zionist butchers and their complicit hysterical shills attempting to excuse raw genocide as "Israel is just defending itself..."


ā€œMore women and children killed in Gaza by Israeli military than any other recent conflict in a single yearā€

EXCERPT ā€œMore women and children have been killed in Gaza by the Israeli military over the past year than the equivalent period of any other conflict over the past two decades, new Oxfam analysis has found.

As hostilities and tragic loss of life spread in Lebanon and the West Bank - including East Jerusalem - the regional escalation underscores the urgent need for an immediate and permanent ceasefire.ā€ CONTINUED


- "Israel’s war on Gaza is deliberately targeting children – new UN report"

- "Why do Israeli soldiers kill so many children in the West Bank? Because they want to, and can"

"New report highlights dozens of chilling cases in which Israeli forces have deliberately targeted Palestinian children since 7 October"

- "The bloodiest face of its genocide: Israel has killed 2,100 Palestinian infants and toddlers in Gaza"
 
You frequently rely on simple epithets like "moron" to evade substantive discussion and reveal the weakness of your hate filled and outright lies.

After all, I know of no animals more cowardly or criminal than the genocidal Zionist butchers and their complicit hysterical shills attempting to excuse raw genocide ...
Um.
 


I feel like I have supported what I have written more thoroughly than those who continue to deny the transparent and internationally condemned Zionist genocide.

I fully believe that in about five years you'll be embarrassed to admit that you supported Netanyahu's criminal barbarism.
 
I feel like I have supported what I have written more thoroughly than those who continue to deny the transparent and internationally condemned Zionist genocide.

I fully believe that in about five years you'll be embarrassed to admit that you supported Netanyahu's criminal barbarism.
Five years? Why is that?
 
Bullshit. Every attack in which civilians may be harmed is checked by IDF lawyers for compliance with International Humanitarian Law, and among the requirements that must be satisfied is warning the residents of that area in a timely fashion to vacate the area until after the attack. The noncombatants who die in these attacks are caught in the crossfire between Hamas and the IDF because Hamas always positions itself behind noncombatants. Civilians who heed the IDF warnings do not get caught in the crossfire.

LMAO 'checked by IDF lawyers for compliance with International Humanitarian Law'. Good lord. Noted respectors of international law....
 
No method of tracking civilians is perfect. And in every war about 10% of civilians either can't or won't be evacuated and remain in combat zones. Its tragic and terrible.

They have rules that allow much leeway in how they conveniently define civilians and combatants and have designed and operated targeting systems that take advantages of these liberal definitions.
 
They have rules that allow much leeway in how they conveniently define civilians and combatants and have designed and operated targeting systems that take advantages of these liberal definitions.
Your concern with that is, what, exactly?

When Hamas militants fail to abide by the international humanitarian principle of distinction, that is ensuring they and their military objectives can be easily distinguished from the civilian population and protected places, the failure is on Hamas, not Israel.
 
LMAO 'checked by IDF lawyers for compliance with International Humanitarian Law'. Good lord. Noted respectors of international law....
Indeed, and that's why when countries like France and the UK feel the need to say something nasty about Israel, they say they are concerned about possible violations of law rather than make actual accusations of violations of law, because they know Israel has volumes of real time analysis showing that each attack complied with International Humanitarian Law.
 
Indeed, and that's why when countries like France and the UK feel the need to say something nasty about Israel, they say they are concerned about possible violations of law rather than make actual accusations of violations of law, because they know Israel has volumes of real time analysis showing that each attack complied with International Humanitarian Law.
And why would France and the UK play such silly word games to begin with?

Its because their own county is overrun with muslims that leftwing Euro leaders must pander to
 
Five years? Why is that?



Naturally, I don't mean exactly 5 years but since 7 October 2023, I have watched American public opinion turn from general support for a disproportionate Israeli response to 7 October to a majority of Americans opposing what is now widely regarded around the world as the Gaza genocide.

The same growing opposition to and condemnation of the Gaza genocide is occurring around the world in multiple forms after a little more than a year and a half.

Certainly, you've seen genuine acts of anti Israel / anti Jewish sentiment increase since it became clear that the Netanyahu government began to exploit the long expected attack on 7 October to seize Gaza and exterminate / expel its native population.

It seems reasonable to expect global opposition to continue in the same direction as the horrific death toll of mainly women and children continues its upward spiral.

It is precisely because I do not want all Israelis and all Jews to suffer inevitable deadly retaliations and genuine anti Semitic abuse that I strongly oppose the criminal, right wing Zionist genocide, aggression and expansionism that is the real cause behind virtually all of today's anti Jewish sentiment.

Even the world's many ethical and courageous Jews opposing Israel's self destructive Gaza genocide are targets for strident, hysterical and hate filled abuse from individuals united only in their ignorance of and racist hatred for people about whom they know nothing

Until recently, the pro Israel MSM bias made repression of Zionist crimes and atrocities easy but because of today's Social and other new media forms, it is impossible to hide Gaza's bloody and horrific images of innumerable mutilated, burned and starving Palestinian children barely surviving in diseased and squalid rubble.

In about one year, the images coming from the ruins of Gaza showing unprecedented human misery, Israeli atrocities, deformed infants and famine victims will be far more numerous, gruesome and shocking.

By then absolutely no one is going blame Hamas when IDF drops 1 ton bombs on overcrowded civilian neighborhoods just as the popular lie that "Hamas uses children as Human Shields." will remain laughably ludicrous as IDF actually targets children "for fun". (4)

Next, nothing could more anti Israel or genuinely anti Semitic than to aid and abet the self destructive and criminal atrocities driven by the current genocidal Netanyahu government.

Never before has Israel engendered more widespread hostility and alienation at the same time that it is almost entirely dependent on American taxpayers for its's small scale, regional aggressions, genocide and multiple provocations.

At the same time that the Netanyahu government is both endangering all Israelis and firmly establishing Israel's pariah status, it is desperately manipulating the US Government into sacrificing more young Americans in a disastrous war with Iran and .......Who knows how many other countries.

Finally, I am far from alone both in Israel and the U.S. in my opposition to Netanyahu and his fellow war criminals. I have watched several Israeli leaders come and go and cannot think of a more dangerous government for Israel, the region and the American people who will ultimately pay for Netanyahu's malevolent machinations.


[ I did not intend to be quite so thorough but wanted to clarify that opposition to to the Netanyahu government is not the same as being "anti Israel"]


(1). "The Majority of Americans Now Disapprove of Israel’s Genocide, Polling Finds"

EXCERPT "Though U.S. officials have been pushing pro-Israel messages through the media relentlessly, the Gallup poll suggests that this messaging is failing to have its desired effect among the public, and that anti-Zionist advocates’ messages are instead breaking through." CONTINUED


(2)"The bloodiest face of its genocide: Israel has killed 2,100 Palestinian infants and toddlers in Gaza"

EXCERPT " The systematic killings of Palestinian civilians, who make up at least 92% of the total number of deaths due to the genocide, will have a negative impact on the population growth rates and reproductive capacity for generations to come." CONTINUED


(3). "Bezalel Smotrich: Genocidal Statements and Policies on the Gaza Crisis"

EXCERPT "At a conference in Yad Binyamin, Smotrich declared that blocking humanitarian aid to Gaza, even at the cost of starving two million civilians, is "justified and moral" until Israeli captives are returned." CONTINUED


(4). ā€œVideo Shows IDF Snipers Shooting Palestinian Children For Fun, But Facebook Won’t Let You Share Itā€

EXCERPT ā€œFootage released on YouTube clearly shows Israeli soldiers firing live rounds at Palestinian children playing on a roof in Al Khalil, an area of Hebron in Occupied Palestine. An important piece of evidence attesting to the brutality of Israeli occupation. Yet, Facebook users have reported that the social media platform is preventing them from sharing the video.ā€ CONTINUED
 
"SLANDER AND LOSERS"




"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser"
-
Socrates


Do you ever read your insulting and bigoted hysterical drivel ?

I had had hoped to be writing to adults and, therefor was civil, truthful and able to support my views with sources far more credible than your hate filled Hasbara script.

You frequently rely on simple epithets like "moron" to evade substantive discussion and reveal the weakness of your hate filled and outright lies.

Finally, I dare you to refute anything I've both written and supported with something other than easily debunked and hysterical lies about "these animals".

After all, I know of no animals more cowardly or criminal than the genocidal Zionist butchers and their complicit hysterical shills attempting to excuse raw genocide as "Israel is just defending itself..."


ā€œMore women and children killed in Gaza by Israeli military than any other recent conflict in a single yearā€

EXCERPT ā€œMore women and children have been killed in Gaza by the Israeli military over the past year than the equivalent period of any other conflict over the past two decades, new Oxfam analysis has found.

As hostilities and tragic loss of life spread in Lebanon and the West Bank - including East Jerusalem - the regional escalation underscores the urgent need for an immediate and permanent ceasefire.ā€ CONTINUED


- "Israel’s war on Gaza is deliberately targeting children – new UN report"

- "Why do Israeli soldiers kill so many children in the West Bank? Because they want to, and can"

"New report highlights dozens of chilling cases in which Israeli forces have deliberately targeted Palestinian children since 7 October"

- "The bloodiest face of its genocide: Israel has killed 2,100 Palestinian infants and toddlers in Gaza"

Meh, once again you have nothing. A vacuous illiterate mental midget that only vomits Islamist hatred and propaganda 24/7.
 
I appreciate the considered response. I'm just going to pluck out one thing tonight. But I will see if I can come back to more later.
In about one year, the images coming from the ruins of Gaza showing unprecedented human misery, Israeli atrocities, deformed infants and famine victims will be far more numerous, gruesome and shocking.

By then absolutely no one is going blame Hamas when IDF drops 1 ton bombs on overcrowded civilian neighborhoods...
And referencing your previous post, to which I was responding:
I fully believe that in about five years you'll be embarrassed to admit that you supported Netanyahu's criminal barbarism.
You seem to be making a projection into the future, claiming that some specific conditions will come to pass. And that when this projection manifests, I will "be embarrassed" that I did not also make the same projection. But prophecies are smoke and mirrors. Prophecies are not information and evidence.

Our fundamental disagreement is not which of us is the true prophet and which is the false. Our first, foundational disagreement is which of us is substantiating our beliefs with information and evidence and which is projecting and prophesizing.

I have never supported criminal activity, barbarism, atrocities, famine, starvation, or any of the numerous things you, and others, have tried to tar me with. I can, therefore, never, in the future be "embarrassed" by it.

The claim "there is no genocide" is a point of fact, not one of support.
 
That’s the bottom line. What it’s all about.


The "bottom line" is that neither of you two genocidal Zionist shills can refute a word I've both written and supported.

Stick to gossip and slander since that's all you've got.
 
Indeed, and that's why when countries like France and the UK feel the need to say something nasty about Israel, they say they are concerned about possible violations of law rather than make actual accusations of violations of law, because they know Israel has volumes of real time analysis showing that each attack complied with International Humanitarian Law.

Standard bearers for International Law



TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — The only time the Palestinian man wasn’t bound or blindfolded, he said, was when he was used by Israeli soldiers as their human shield.

Dressed in army fatigues with a camera fixed to his forehead, Ayman Abu Hamadan was forced into houses in the Gaza Strip to make sure they were clear of bombs and gunmen, he said. When one unit finished with him, he was passed to the next.

ā€œThey beat me and told me: ā€˜You have no other option; do this or we’ll kill you,ā€™ā€ the 36-year-old told The Associated Press, describing the 2 1/2 weeks he was held last summer by the Israeli military in northern Gaza.

Orders often came from the top, and at times nearly every platoon used a Palestinian to clear locations, said an Israeli officer, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal.


Several Palestinians and soldiers told the AP that Israeli troops are systematically forcing Palestinians to act as human shields in Gaza, sending them into buildings and tunnels to check for explosives or militants. The dangerous practice has become ubiquitous during 19 months of war, they said.

In response to these allegations, Israel’s military says it strictly prohibits using civilians as shields — a practice it has long accused Hamas of using in Gaza. Israeli officials blame the militants for the civilian death toll in its offensive that has killed tens of thousands of Palestinians.

In a statement to the AP, the military said it also bans otherwise coercing civilians to participate in operations, and ā€œall such orders are routinely emphasized to the forces.ā€

The military said it’s investigating several cases alleging that Palestinians were involved in missions, but wouldn’t provide details. It didn’t answer questions about the reach of the practice or any orders from commanding officers.

The AP spoke with seven Palestinians who described being used as shields in Gaza and the occupied West Bank and with two members of Israel’s military who said they engaged in the practice, which is prohibited by international law. Rights groups are ringing the alarm, saying it’s become standard procedure increasingly used in the war.

ā€œThese are not isolated accounts; they point to a systemic failure and a horrifying moral collapse,ā€ said Nadav Weiman, executive director of Breaking the Silence — a whistleblower group of former Israeli soldiers that has collected testimonies about the practice from within the military. ā€œIsrael rightly condemns Hamas for using civilians as human shields, but our own soldiers describe doing the very same.ā€

Abu Hamadan said he was detained in August after being separated from his family, and soldiers told him he’d help with a ā€œspecial mission.ā€ He was forced, for 17 days, to search houses and inspect every hole in the ground for tunnels, he said.

Soldiers stood behind him and, once it was clear, entered the buildings to damage or destroy them, he said. He spent each night bound in a dark room, only to wake up and do it again.

The use of human shields ā€˜caught on like fire’


Rights groups say Israel has used Palestinians as shields in Gaza and the West Bank for decades. The Supreme Court outlawed the practice in 2005. But the groups continued to document violations.

Still, experts say this war is the first time in decades the practice — and the debate around it — has been so widespread.

The two Israeli soldiers who spoke to the AP — and a third who provided testimony to Breaking the Silence — said commanders were aware of the use of human shields and tolerated it, with some giving orders to do so. Some said it was referred to as the ā€œmosquito protocolā€ and that Palestinians were also referred to as ā€œwaspsā€ and other dehumanizing terms.

The soldiers — who said they’re no longer serving in Gaza — said the practice sped up operations, saved ammunition, and spared combat dogs from injury or death.

The soldiers said they first became aware human shields were being used shortly after the war erupted on Oct. 7, 2023, when Hamas attacked Israel, and that it became widespread by the middle of 2024. Orders to ā€œbring a mosquitoā€ often came via radio, they said — shorthand everyone understood. Soldiers acted on commanding officers’ orders, according to the officer who spoke to the AP.

He said that by the end of his nine months in Gaza, every infantry unit used a Palestinian to clear houses before entering.

ā€œOnce this idea was initiated, it caught on like fire in a field,ā€ the 26-year-old said. ā€œPeople saw how effective and easy it was.ā€

He described a 2024 planning meeting where a brigade commander presented to the division commander a slide reading ā€œget a mosquitoā€ and a suggestion they might ā€œjust catch one off the streets.ā€

The officer wrote two incident reports to the brigade commander detailing the use of human shields, reports that would have been escalated to the division chief, he said. The military said it had no comment when asked whether it received them.

One report documented the accidental killing of a Palestinian, he said — troops didn’t realize another unit was using him as a shield and shot him as he ran into a house. The officer recommended the Palestinians be dressed in army clothes to avoid misidentification.

He said he knew of at least one other Palestinian who died while used as a shield — he passed out in a tunnel.

Troops unsuccessfully pushed back, a sergeant says

Convincing soldiers to operate lawfully when they see their enemy using questionable practices is difficult, said Michael Schmitt, a distinguished professor of international law at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point. Israeli officials and other observers say Hamas uses civilians as shields as it embeds itself in communities, hiding fighters in hospitals and schools.

ā€œIt’s really a heavy lift to look at your own soldiers and say you have to comply,ā€ Schmitt said.

One soldier told the AP his unit tried to refuse to use human shields in mid-2024 but were told they had no choice, with a high-ranking officer saying they shouldn’t worry about international humanitarian law.

The sergeant — speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal — said the troops used a 16-year-old
and a 30-year-old for a few days.

The boy shook constantly, he said, and both repeated ā€œRafah, Rafahā€ — Gaza’s southernmost city, where more than 1 million Palestinians had fled from fighting elsewhere at that point in the war.

It seemed they were begging to be freed, the sergeant said.


ā€˜I have children,’ one man says he pleaded


Masoud Abu Saeed said he was used as a shield for two weeks in March 2024 in the southern city of Khan Younis.

ā€œThis is extremely dangerous,ā€ he recounted telling a soldier. ā€œI have children and want to reunite with them.ā€

The 36-year-old said he was forced into houses, buildings and a hospital to dig up suspected tunnels and clear areas. He said he wore a first-responder vest for easy identification, carrying a phone, hammer and chain cutters.

During one operation, he bumped into his brother, used as a shield by another unit, he said.

They hugged. ā€œI thought Israel’s army had executed him,ā€ he said.

Palestinians also report being used as shields in the West Bank.


Hazar Estity said soldiers took her from her Jenin refugee camp home in November, forcing her to film inside several apartments and clear them before troops entered.

She said she pleaded to return to her 21-month-old son, but soldiers didn’t listen.

ā€œI was most afraid that they would kill me,ā€ she said. ā€œAnd that I wouldn’t see my son again.ā€
 
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I appreciate the considered response. I'm just going to pluck out one thing tonight. But I will see if I can come back to more later.

And referencing your previous post, to which I was responding:

You seem to be making a projection into the future, claiming that some specific conditions will come to pass. And that when this projection manifests, I will "be embarrassed" that I did not also make the same projection. But prophecies are smoke and mirrors. Prophecies are not information and evidence.

Our fundamental disagreement is not which of us is the true prophet and which is the false. Our first, foundational disagreement is which of us is substantiating our beliefs with information and evidence and which is projecting and prophesizing.

I have never supported criminal activity, barbarism, atrocities, famine, starvation, or any of the numerous things you, and others, have tried to tar me with. I can, therefore, never, in the future be "embarrassed" by it.

The claim "there is no genocide" is a point of fact, not one of support.


I also appreciate your thoughtfulness and don't believe that you are a cruel or criminal person.

I don't remember characterizing you that way but apologize if I did.

Regardless of how we label the carnage in and around Gaza, do you really believe that such indiscriminate slaughter of so many children and women and "seizure" of other people's land is really self defense when it only engenders more alienion of and hostility towards Israelis and Jews around the world?

Even with a dirty crystal ball, some predictions are proven by time.
 
Standard bearers for International Law



TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — The only time the Palestinian man wasn’t bound or blindfolded, he said, was when he was used by Israeli soldiers as their human shield.

Dressed in army fatigues with a camera fixed to his forehead, Ayman Abu Hamadan was forced into houses in the Gaza Strip to make sure they were clear of bombs and gunmen, he said. When one unit finished with him, he was passed to the next.

ā€œThey beat me and told me: ā€˜You have no other option; do this or we’ll kill you,ā€™ā€ the 36-year-old told The Associated Press, describing the 2 1/2 weeks he was held last summer by the Israeli military in northern Gaza.

Orders often came from the top, and at times nearly every platoon used a Palestinian to clear locations, said an Israeli officer, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal.


Several Palestinians and soldiers told the AP that Israeli troops are systematically forcing Palestinians to act as human shields in Gaza, sending them into buildings and tunnels to check for explosives or militants. The dangerous practice has become ubiquitous during 19 months of war, they said.

In response to these allegations, Israel’s military says it strictly prohibits using civilians as shields — a practice it has long accused Hamas of using in Gaza. Israeli officials blame the militants for the civilian death toll in its offensive that has killed tens of thousands of Palestinians.

In a statement to the AP, the military said it also bans otherwise coercing civilians to participate in operations, and ā€œall such orders are routinely emphasized to the forces.ā€

The military said it’s investigating several cases alleging that Palestinians were involved in missions, but wouldn’t provide details. It didn’t answer questions about the reach of the practice or any orders from commanding officers.

The AP spoke with seven Palestinians who described being used as shields in Gaza and the occupied West Bank and with two members of Israel’s military who said they engaged in the practice, which is prohibited by international law. Rights groups are ringing the alarm, saying it’s become standard procedure increasingly used in the war.

ā€œThese are not isolated accounts; they point to a systemic failure and a horrifying moral collapse,ā€ said Nadav Weiman, executive director of Breaking the Silence — a whistleblower group of former Israeli soldiers that has collected testimonies about the practice from within the military. ā€œIsrael rightly condemns Hamas for using civilians as human shields, but our own soldiers describe doing the very same.ā€

Abu Hamadan said he was detained in August after being separated from his family, and soldiers told him he’d help with a ā€œspecial mission.ā€ He was forced, for 17 days, to search houses and inspect every hole in the ground for tunnels, he said.

Soldiers stood behind him and, once it was clear, entered the buildings to damage or destroy them, he said. He spent each night bound in a dark room, only to wake up and do it again.

The use of human shields ā€˜caught on like fire’

Rights groups say Israel has used Palestinians as shields in Gaza and the West Bank for decades. The Supreme Court outlawed the practice in 2005. But the groups continued to document violations.

Still, experts say this war is the first time in decades the practice — and the debate around it — has been so widespread.

The two Israeli soldiers who spoke to the AP — and a third who provided testimony to Breaking the Silence — said commanders were aware of the use of human shields and tolerated it, with some giving orders to do so. Some said it was referred to as the ā€œmosquito protocolā€ and that Palestinians were also referred to as ā€œwaspsā€ and other dehumanizing terms.

The soldiers — who said they’re no longer serving in Gaza — said the practice sped up operations, saved ammunition, and spared combat dogs from injury or death.

The soldiers said they first became aware human shields were being used shortly after the war erupted on Oct. 7, 2023, when Hamas attacked Israel, and that it became widespread by the middle of 2024. Orders to ā€œbring a mosquitoā€ often came via radio, they said — shorthand everyone understood. Soldiers acted on commanding officers’ orders, according to the officer who spoke to the AP.

He said that by the end of his nine months in Gaza, every infantry unit used a Palestinian to clear houses before entering.

ā€œOnce this idea was initiated, it caught on like fire in a field,ā€ the 26-year-old said. ā€œPeople saw how effective and easy it was.ā€

He described a 2024 planning meeting where a brigade commander presented to the division commander a slide reading ā€œget a mosquitoā€ and a suggestion they might ā€œjust catch one off the streets.ā€

The officer wrote two incident reports to the brigade commander detailing the use of human shields, reports that would have been escalated to the division chief, he said. The military said it had no comment when asked whether it received them.

One report documented the accidental killing of a Palestinian, he said — troops didn’t realize another unit was using him as a shield and shot him as he ran into a house. The officer recommended the Palestinians be dressed in army clothes to avoid misidentification.

He said he knew of at least one other Palestinian who died while used as a shield — he passed out in a tunnel.

Troops unsuccessfully pushed back, a sergeant says

Convincing soldiers to operate lawfully when they see their enemy using questionable practices is difficult, said Michael Schmitt, a distinguished professor of international law at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point. Israeli officials and other observers say Hamas uses civilians as shields as it embeds itself in communities, hiding fighters in hospitals and schools.

ā€œIt’s really a heavy lift to look at your own soldiers and say you have to comply,ā€ Schmitt said.

One soldier told the AP his unit tried to refuse to use human shields in mid-2024 but were told they had no choice, with a high-ranking officer saying they shouldn’t worry about international humanitarian law.

The sergeant — speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal — said the troops used a 16-year-old
and a 30-year-old for a few days.

The boy shook constantly, he said, and both repeated ā€œRafah, Rafahā€ — Gaza’s southernmost city, where more than 1 million Palestinians had fled from fighting elsewhere at that point in the war.

It seemed they were begging to be freed, the sergeant said.


ā€˜I have children,’ one man says he pleaded

Masoud Abu Saeed said he was used as a shield for two weeks in March 2024 in the southern city of Khan Younis.

ā€œThis is extremely dangerous,ā€ he recounted telling a soldier. ā€œI have children and want to reunite with them.ā€

The 36-year-old said he was forced into houses, buildings and a hospital to dig up suspected tunnels and clear areas. He said he wore a first-responder vest for easy identification, carrying a phone, hammer and chain cutters.

During one operation, he bumped into his brother, used as a shield by another unit, he said.

They hugged. ā€œI thought Israel’s army had executed him,ā€ he said.

Palestinians also report being used as shields in the West Bank.


Hazar Estity said soldiers took her from her Jenin refugee camp home in November, forcing her to film inside several apartments and clear them before troops entered.

She said she pleaded to return to her 21-month-old son, but soldiers didn’t listen.

ā€œI was most afraid that they would kill me,ā€ she said. ā€œAnd that I wouldn’t see my son again.ā€
A ridiculous post. It is illegal for Israeli soldiers to use captured Palestinians to check for booby traps or militants in dangerous situations, and when such situations do occur, they are investigated and the soldiers punished.

On the other hand, using Gaza civilians and captured Israelis as human shields is the entire strategy of the Hamas terrorists and their only goal appears to be to stay in power in Gaza no matter the cost to the rest of the population.

If you cannot understand the difference, you are simply not a competent observer of the war.
 
I don't remember characterizing you that way but apologize if I did.
Well, since I am clearly and proudly a Zionist, whenever you use that term (as in, "genocidal Zionist butcher") I do assume you are including me.
...do you really believe that such indiscriminate slaughter of so many children and women and "seizure" of other people's land is really self defense
Yes. I really do believe that the military operation currently being conducted in Gaza by Israel is for the purpose of self-defense. Really. Really.

I have seen no evidence of indiscriminate operations on the part of the Israeli military. On the contrary, I've seen abundant evidence of the IDF's adherence to the principles of distinction, proportionality, and military necessity, as well as unprecedented actions meant to preserve civilian life in Gaza. I have also seen abundant evidence of Hamas military objectives deliberately embedded within the civilian infrastructure. I recognize errors, misidentifications, and crimes by individual IDF soldiers.

I acknowledge the civilian cost of war. It is terrible and unavoidable, especially under the conditions Hamas has set for this war.

Let me be clear what Israel is defending itself from. This is not a war to get the hostages back. This is a war to ensure that no hostage will be taken in the future.
 
Well, since I am clearly and proudly a Zionist, whenever you use that term (as in, "genocidal Zionist butcher") I do assume you are including me.

Yes. I really do believe that the military operation currently being conducted in Gaza by Israel is for the purpose of self-defense. Really. Really.

I have seen no evidence of indiscriminate operations on the part of the Israeli military. On the contrary, I've seen abundant evidence of the IDF's adherence to the principles of distinction, proportionality, and military necessity, as well as unprecedented actions meant to preserve civilian life in Gaza. I have also seen abundant evidence of Hamas military objectives deliberately embedded within the civilian infrastructure. I recognize errors, misidentifications, and crimes by individual IDF soldiers.

I acknowledge the civilian cost of war. It is terrible and unavoidable, especially under the conditions Hamas has set for this war.

Let me be clear what Israel is defending itself from. This is not a war to get the hostages back. This is a war to ensure that no hostage will be taken in the future.


OK, I hope you will agree that I have tried to keep our discussions at least civil and I don't remember ever referring to you as a "genocidal Zionist butcher".
I don't believe that you are either genocidal or a butcher but I would be a hypocrite if I denied condemning Zionists who are genocidal and butchers.

Re: I have seen no evidence of indiscriminate operations on the part of the Israeli military.

If you genuinely oppose gratuitous slaughter of unarmed, civilians, then you must condemn the routine practice of bombing refugee tent camps and dropping 2,000 pound bombs on crowded neighborhoods; a practice condemned by military organizations around the world.

I have listed numerous examples of IDF criminal excesses and declarations of genocidal intent by multiple Israelis officials so I must question the sources of information and experiences on which you are relying to form your opinions.

Next, I don't consider it an accomplishment requiring great intelligence but I did manage to wander into the '73 War where I spent time living in and around Palestinian refugee camps with Nakba survivors who had only their personal possessions and showed me photographs of their former farms, olive groves, shops, homes and family members who were murdered and/or eviscerated..

Their photos and recollections were little different from those of the Holocaust survivors I have known, worked and lived with in different countries over the decades.

That time with Nakba survivors was over 50 years ago but since then, I have also shown examples of Holocaust survivors who strongly oppose the criminal excesses of the Netanyahu government as the parallels are especially disturbing to the majority of informed individuals around the world.

That you oppose all criminal mass murders but are unaware of Netanyahu's criminal excesses makes me wonder about the veracity of the sources on which you are relying.

Re:
This is a war to ensure that no hostage will be taken in the future.

The carnage in and around Gaza can only be a "war" to those who consider Para-gliders to be modern "combat aircraft".

I've been involved in 2 wars and whatever you want to call the slaughtering. of mainly women and children in Gaza, (1) it is no war.

Finally, it is precisely the internationally condemned criminal excesses of the Netanyahu government that will precipitate even more violence / hostage taking of Jews and Israelis around the world.

It is exactly because I do not want to see the additional deaths of future Jews and innocent Israelis around that I am opposing IDF's U.S. funded murderous rampages and inequities throughout former Palestine and torture of heavily censored Palestinian hostages. (2)

There are about 15.8 million Jews in the world and close to 2 Billion increasingly resentful Muslims.
So....
How is "seizing" Gaza and exterminating / expelling its native residents going to make the world's Jews any safer?

Thanks,



(1). ā€œMore women and children killed in Gaza by Israeli military than any other recent conflict in a single yearā€

EXCERPT ā€œMore women and children have been killed in Gaza by the Israeli military over the past year than the equivalent period of any other conflict over the past two decades, new Oxfam analysis has found.

As hostilities and tragic loss of life spread in Lebanon and the West Bank - including East Jerusalem - the regional escalation underscores the urgent need for an immediate and permanent ceasefire.ā€ CONTINUED


(2). ā€œIDF Let Israeli Civilians Film Torture of Palestinian Detainees: Reportā€

EXCERPT ā€œThe former detainees said groups of 10-20 Israeli civilians were brought in and allowed to record torture sessions in which the men, stripped nearly naked, were beaten with metal batons, electrocuted, and had hot water poured over their heads. The ex-prisoners said some of the Israelis laughed while filming their torture.ā€ CONTINUED
 

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