This Republican has got it right.

[Leo123]

This is a lie – it’s Republicans who love their bans on things lawful, such as same-sex marriage and social media’s freedom of association.

Lawful doesn't translate to moral you know.

 

[OKTexas]

This is a lie – it’s Republicans who love their bans on things lawful, such as same-sex marriage and social media’s freedom of association.

Lawful doesn't translate to moral you know.

Yep, that's part of the commie plan, force the morals of Sodom and Gomorrah on the US. To them government is god.

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[Leo123]

Yep, that's part of the commie plan, force the morals of Sodom and Gomorrah on the US. To them government is god.

Yep, laws based on relative morality do society no good.

 

[BrokeLoser]

This man gets it.
I don't understand why other Republicans don't.

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A total ignorant dumdass.
If he had half a nutsack his sign would read...”End gun crime...keep guns out of the hands of dark Democrats.”

 

[Colin norris]

OKTexas
You are a blatant liar and you have no evidence of that.
This is the lies etc which continue to give me opportunities to rip it up you.

You are so paranoid about communists, you are fabricating complete lies.

But if you have proof of all you say, produce it now or shut your big ignorant hate filled mouth. You're a dickhead.

 

[Colin norris]

Leo123
You're right but your morals have no right to interfere in others freedoms.

 

[OKTexas]

OKTexas
You are a blatant liar and you have no evidence of that.
This is the lies etc which continue to give me opportunities to rip it up you.

You are so paranoid about communists, you are fabricating complete lies.

But if you have proof of all you say, produce it now or shut your big ignorant hate filled mouth. You're a dickhead.

I'll give you one link, you can google the rest you commie bitch.

Frank Marshall Davis - Obama's Mentor - The Thinking Conservative

Frank Marshall Davis (1905-1987) was a journalist, poet and Communist Party USA activist in Chicago and Hawaii. In Hawaii he was a mentor to young Barack Obama.

www.thethinkingconservative.com

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[kaz]

I personally believe the founding fathers would be horrified that every whack-job in the country has access to weapons that can empty out an entire theater in a few moments.

There are two chains of thought for the 2nd amendment. One involves the people as members of the militia, giving the right toward that purpose, and that the 2nd applies to the individual.

The militia idea would translate to allowing people to possess weapons of war, such as machine guns. While the individual right can actually limit the weapons a person possess to those needed by the individual.

The assault weapon question, like the judge who overturned the california assault weapons ban using a strange legal argument. That people can't be prevented from owning assault weapons because of their popularity and general usage. Had states banned them more effectively, thus preventing their popularity, the ban would have stood.

Correct.

Which is why conservatives have come to loathe the Heller decision, codifying the individual right paradigm.

Pursuant to that paradigm, the individual right exists to facilitate the use of firearms for personal self-defense, unconnected to militia service – and the types of weapons that might be used by a militia.

That’s why the district court in the California AWB case made reference to the Swiss army knife, military in origin but now in common use by civilians having nothing to do with militia or military service – just like the AR 15.

Conservatives don't have to go past the Constitution which clearly said the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

It's blowhards and racists like you who have to cite president to spin that the Constitution doesn't say what it says

 

[WTH_Progs?]

What is an assault rifle and how does it differ from a regular rifle?

One is designed to kill 20 people in 10 seconds and the other one isn't.
One is designed for military use and warfare, the other one isn't.
Any other incredibly stupid questions?

Handguns are designed to kill people period. Does that bunch your panties up too? let's put your BS to a real test?

Interesting how PROGS think legal guns owned by NORMAL citizens are the problem as opposed illegal guns used every single day.

I think PROGS have a serious problem connecting dots.

AR15 kills 20 in 10 seconds? That's pretty fucking good should the world go to complete shit and you need to take out a lot of people during a short time. I can just picture 20 progressives attacking myself and home, rat tat tat tat tat..............sweet justice.

 

[Winston]

No one advocates for ‘confiscating’ guns.

No measures have been introduced to ‘confiscate’ guns – the notion is a rightwing lie and more baseless demagoguery from conservatives.

Pretending for a second that you aren't for banning guns. You are flat out lying when you say your party isn't out to do that. And we both know if/when they do, you will be silent.

Democrats are stupid people who think everyone else is as stupid as you are

One cannot reason with dishonest liars, which is who conservatives are.

Conservatives lie about gun ‘bans’ and gun ‘confiscation’ that never come about.

Indeed, for eight years when President Obama was in office conservatives lied about guns being ‘confiscated.’

Eight years later not one gun ‘confiscated.’

Conservatives lying about ‘bans’ and ‘confiscation’ is just more of their tedious fearmongering and demagoguery.

Explain how you get to ignore all the Democrats who say they are for outright banning guns on the board and nationally in the party

Show one person, any one person, that has advocated the outright banning of all guns.

Democrats already ban guns in almost every major US city. You didn't know that? Seriously?

Where would Democrats stop? Tell me what we could do today where Democrats would be happy and if anyone went further than Democrats would be on the pro-gun right side and stay there

Great, then you should have no problem naming the city, and providing the ordinance, that bans ALL guns. I'll wait.

Seriously? San Francisco, New York, Chicago, Boston, LA, Seattle, Minneapolis, Detroit, Philadelphia, DC all virtually ban guns

So, no city bans all guns You can't produce a single politician or even poster here, that advocates banning all guns. In short, you are full of shit.

So you believe you can get a gun say in New York and carry it to defend yourself. You really believe that?

Yep,

https://licensing.nypdonline.org/new-app-instruction/

New York City Concealed Carry Gun Laws | USCCA CCW Reciprocity Map

Last Updated 05/18/2021. New York City Permits are valid throughout NY State. Learn about New York City gun laws, permits & reciprocity map.

www.usconcealedcarry.com

That only says there is the existence of a NY carry permit, not that you can get one.

What are you claiming exactly? As long as NY issues one permit then guns aren't illegal there and Democrats didn't ban guns?

Yes, you can get a permit for concealed carry in New York. You might want to hire a lawyer, and you need to provide a valid reason, like carrying large amounts of cash or valuables, a credible threat, or being famous.

Just FYI I lived in NY.

A valid reason does not include

- It's your constitutional right

- You want to be able to defend your family and yourself

- Someone is trying to kill you

You actually would have to prove the third one for it to work. Like you'd have to provide threatening letters.

Yes, for all practical purposes guns are banned in NY. You're a liar and a racist

Damn, but you are

No one advocates for ‘confiscating’ guns.

No measures have been introduced to ‘confiscate’ guns – the notion is a rightwing lie and more baseless demagoguery from conservatives.

Pretending for a second that you aren't for banning guns. You are flat out lying when you say your party isn't out to do that. And we both know if/when they do, you will be silent.

Democrats are stupid people who think everyone else is as stupid as you are

One cannot reason with dishonest liars, which is who conservatives are.

Conservatives lie about gun ‘bans’ and gun ‘confiscation’ that never come about.

Indeed, for eight years when President Obama was in office conservatives lied about guns being ‘confiscated.’

Eight years later not one gun ‘confiscated.’

Conservatives lying about ‘bans’ and ‘confiscation’ is just more of their tedious fearmongering and demagoguery.

Explain how you get to ignore all the Democrats who say they are for outright banning guns on the board and nationally in the party

Show one person, any one person, that has advocated the outright banning of all guns.

Democrats already ban guns in almost every major US city. You didn't know that? Seriously?

Where would Democrats stop? Tell me what we could do today where Democrats would be happy and if anyone went further than Democrats would be on the pro-gun right side and stay there

Great, then you should have no problem naming the city, and providing the ordinance, that bans ALL guns. I'll wait.

Seriously? San Francisco, New York, Chicago, Boston, LA, Seattle, Minneapolis, Detroit, Philadelphia, DC all virtually ban guns

So, no city bans all guns You can't produce a single politician or even poster here, that advocates banning all guns. In short, you are full of shit.

So you believe you can get a gun say in New York and carry it to defend yourself. You really believe that?

Yep,

https://licensing.nypdonline.org/new-app-instruction/

New York City Concealed Carry Gun Laws | USCCA CCW Reciprocity Map

Last Updated 05/18/2021. New York City Permits are valid throughout NY State. Learn about New York City gun laws, permits & reciprocity map.

www.usconcealedcarry.com

That only says there is the existence of a NY carry permit, not that you can get one.

What are you claiming exactly? As long as NY issues one permit then guns aren't illegal there and Democrats didn't ban guns?

Yes, you can get a permit for concealed carry in New York. You might want to hire a lawyer, and you need to provide a valid reason, like carrying large amounts of cash or valuables, a credible threat, or being famous.

Just FYI I lived in NY.

A valid reason does not include

- It's your constitutional right

- You want to be able to defend your family and yourself

- Someone is trying to kill you

You actually would have to prove the third one for it to work. Like you'd have to provide threatening letters.

Yes, for all practical purposes guns are banned in NY. You're a liar and a racist

You are about the most disingenuous, dishonest, unintelligent, and uninformed TROLL I have ever came across. In this thread, THIS VERY THREAD, you claim to own all sorts of guns, being as you were the oldest on both sides of the family, well many guns were left to you. Now, those same guns are practically illegal. Yep, for all practical purposes guns are banned in New York. I mean what total horseshit.

I am going to be upfront. If New York "practically" banned all guns they would have been taken to court and that "practical" ban would have been overturned. The State of New York, and the City of New York, cannot violate the second amendment. Hell, I doubt there is even been a case filed. You do not have a constitutional right to carry a weapon, concealed or even open carry. You do not have a right to own any and all types of guns. The state, and the city, have a right to limit both access to guns and the types of guns that can be owned. Even Scalia said as much in Heller. The short version of Heller is about trigger guards. Evidently, those trigger guards significantly hampered an individuals ability to defend themselves, which was never a constitutional right until the judicial activism of the SCOTUS made it one. DC should have just required a permit, with a steep fee, to own a handgun. And required an even steeper fee, and strict requirements, for carrying a concealed weapon.

Hell, I checked. New York state issues hunting licenses. What the hell do people in yankeeland hunt with, slingshots?

What did that girl kill that bear with, a slingshot? I mean I have to admit, a pretty tiny bear. She would be laughed out of the bar in Canada. But still, I bet she used a "practically illegal" gun to take that bear.

Look, tap out you stupid shit. You know what they say, when in a hole, stop digging. But you keep digging and digging and the only conclusion that I can come to is that you are too stupid to realize how stupid you really are.

 

[jbrownson0831]

Winston waah waah waah of course the left wants to remove guns from law abiding citizens, you hate people having any individual rights at all.

 

[Leo123]

You're right but your morals have no right to interfere in others freedoms.

OH so, if others' relative morality says it's OK to steal or murder, why that's just their 'right'.......Right?

 

[Winston]

I personally believe the founding fathers would be horrified that every whack-job in the country has access to weapons that can empty out an entire theater in a few moments.

There are two chains of thought for the 2nd amendment. One involves the people as members of the militia, giving the right toward that purpose, and that the 2nd applies to the individual.

The militia idea would translate to allowing people to possess weapons of war, such as machine guns. While the individual right can actually limit the weapons a person possess to those needed by the individual.

The assault weapon question, like the judge who overturned the california assault weapons ban using a strange legal argument. That people can't be prevented from owning assault weapons because of their popularity and general usage. Had states banned them more effectively, thus preventing their popularity, the ban would have stood.

Correct.

Which is why conservatives have come to loathe the Heller decision, codifying the individual right paradigm.

Pursuant to that paradigm, the individual right exists to facilitate the use of firearms for personal self-defense, unconnected to militia service – and the types of weapons that might be used by a militia.

That’s why the district court in the California AWB case made reference to the Swiss army knife, military in origin but now in common use by civilians having nothing to do with militia or military service – just like the AR 15.

Conservatives don't have to go past the Constitution which clearly said the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

It's blowhards and racists like you who have to cite president to spin that the Constitution doesn't say what it says

The second amendment has always been about the militia. And no, the purpose of the militia was not to initiate an insurrection when the government turned bad. The purpose of the militia was national defense, because the founders never envisioned a professional army. Hell, almost all the founders were around during the Whiskey rebellion, and those farmers had every reason to rebel, they got royally fawked. Did all those founders stand up and take the side the the rebels? Hell no, they backed putting that rebellion down and sentenced the leaders to a hanging. Granted, they were pardoned, mostly because Washington knew they got fawked, hell he was one of the biggest benefactors of the fawking.

But you moron gun nuts live in a damn fantasy world. You completely distort history. In your delusional world all the colonists had guns stashed under their bed to protect them against robber barons that struck in the night. I mean how stupid. In the battles of Lexington and Concord, where were the British headed? I mean it really is that simple. Yes, in many cities citizens were required to have a gun, STORED IN THE ARMORY, because if you kept it in your house, the Indians would probably get ahold of it. Because lets be honest, a single shot musket was no match for an accomplished Indian archer. Hell, he could send five arrows your way before you reloaded, ONCE. And more accurately too.

And the really sad part, all you fools are being manipulated by a gun manufacturing industry that doesn't give two shits about you, or anyone else for that matter. They are making money hand over fist, and their most profitable product, why it's the assault rifle. The NRA used to be a decent outfit. Hell, they sponsored my rifle team as a kid. And just to throw this in, I was eliminated at the regional level for the Olympics. But the NRA sponsored me and required me to give instruction to high school students. Now, they are little more than a scam outfit enriching their officers and being the bitch for the gun manufacturers. That is why informed people, like myself, my father, and George Bush Jr., no less, have left the NRA.

 

[Leo123]

The second amendment has always been about the militia. And no, the purpose of the militia was not to initiate an insurrection when the government turned bad. The purpose of the militia was national defense, because the founders never envisioned a professional army. Hell, almost all the founders were around during the Whiskey rebellion, and those farmers had every reason to rebel, they got royally fawked. Did all those founders stand up and take the side the the rebels? Hell no, they backed putting that rebellion down and sentenced the leaders to a hanging. Granted, they were pardoned, mostly because Washington knew they got fawked, hell he was one of the biggest benefactors of the fawking.

But you moron gun nuts live in a damn fantasy world. You completely distort history. In your delusional world all the colonists had guns stashed under their bed to protect them against robber barons that struck in the night. I mean how stupid. In the battles of Lexington and Concord, where were the British headed? I mean it really is that simple. Yes, in many cities citizens were required to have a gun, STORED IN THE ARMORY, because if you kept it in your house, the Indians would probably get ahold of it. Because lets be honest, a single shot musket was no match for an accomplished Indian archer. Hell, he could send five arrows your way before you reloaded, ONCE. And more accurately too.

And the really sad part, all you fools are being manipulated by a gun manufacturing industry that doesn't give two shits about you, or anyone else for that matter. They are making money hand over fist, and their most profitable product, why it's the assault rifle. The NRA used to be a decent outfit. Hell, they sponsored my rifle team as a kid. And just to throw this in, I was eliminated at the regional level for the Olympics. But the NRA sponsored me and required me to give instruction to high school students. Now, they are little more than a scam outfit enriching their officers and being the bitch for the gun manufacturers. That is why informed people, like myself, my father, and George Bush Jr., no less, have left the NRA.

There is at least one gun for every American and probably a lot more unregistered. Yet, in a country with 300,000,000+/- guns, homicide and suicide by gun only account for about 0.1% of all deaths. Cars, drug overdose and other injuries account for much more. So, what is the big threat guns pose?

 

[jbrownson0831]

Leo123 its a threat to the regime who wants no freedoms to be allowed.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

What is an assault rifle and how does it differ from a regular rifle?

Whoever Controls Language Controls Thought. Replace All Liberal Terms.

It is not an "assault" weapon; that implies it is strictly for criminals. It is a counter-assault weapon, designed to mow down mobs of looters and stop riots in their filthy simian tracks.

 

[Colin norris]

Leo123
No. I never said that. You did.
That's where we differ.

 

[Leo123]

No. I never said that. You did.
That's where we differ.

You said basically one person's morals shouldn't get in the way of another person's morals. If everyone has their own morals that they live by, who is going to tell the amoral not to commit crimes? Laws are based on morality. Maybe you are missing my point.

 

[Colin norris]

Leo123
I did not say that if you care to check.
Morality is irrelevant to crimes. Morality doesn't come from a god or whatever, it preceded any religion.
The law is amoral and they deal with crimes.

 

[Leo123]

I did not say that if you care to check.
Morality is irrelevant to crimes. Morality doesn't come from a god or whatever, it preceded any religion.
The law is amoral and they deal with crimes.

OK if the law is, as you say amoral, then what does it represent? The 'letter of the law' is different because that just represents words that can be twisted or even re-defined by relative moralists. The underlying foundation of any law has to be an over-arching moral code, without that, law is meaningless.