This one chart destroys the myth

Nope look at the chart ,things changed when the R congress talked bill into signing their bill.

He had to fight with them to tone it down and it still helped end the longest peacetime expansion.

Look at the results of the 1997 tax bill.
 
Nope look at the chart ,things changed when the R congress talked bill into signing their bill.

He had to fight with them to tone it down and it still helped end the longest peacetime expansion.

Look at the results of the 1997 tax bill.

That doesn't answer what I asked.

Define "best results." Best results for who? Making the numbers all nice on paper? Or best results for taxpayers by allowing them to actually keep what they earn without Big Brother's fingers in their wallets?
 
best results are just that ,look at the chart and realise the results of cutting spending and balencing the tax structure to create an income flow to have you get to the point you can pay down the debt.

You know its what you and the wife do to get ahead.
 
best results are just that ,look at the chart and realise the results of cutting spending and balencing the tax structure to create an income flow to have you get to the point you can pay down the debt.

You know its what you and the wife do to get ahead.

TruthMatters.

The chart is NOT constructed using actual results.

The chart is constructed using before hand estimates or projections of what the results will be.

To claim this as evidence of positive results is grandiose.
 
best results are just that ,look at the chart and realise the results of cutting spending and balencing the tax structure to create an income flow to have you get to the point you can pay down the debt.

You know its what you and the wife do to get ahead.

So your answer is "best results" means the "best results" for the balancing the Federal budget; regardless, what happens to the economy and/or people.

What I do to get ahead is find tax shelters so I can keep the Federal budget balancers from doing it on my back.
 
Gunny go back and look at the economy at the time ,It was pretty damned good.

Of course you and every tax payer has the right to do their taxes in their own best interests as long as it legal.

There are responsibilities we have to pay our debts so we dont leave them to our childern who will have their own challenges to overcome and DONT need to be burdened with our messes or even our parents messes.

I for balenced budgets and pay downs of the debt but NOT doing in such a way we become a cold and crass country who ignores the truely needy.

It can be done and its just has not been done by this current R party for decades now.

Its just the truth that the Dems have a better fiscal record.

Not perfect just the best we have had.
 
"There are responsibilities we have to pay our debts so we dont leave them to our childern who will have their own challenges to overcome and DONT need to be burdened with our messes or even our parents messes."

Says who??? I really dont give a flying poop what debt, burdens, or whatever are going to be left to YOUR "childern".

It can be done and its just has not been done by this current R party for decades now.

Why should we? By the way, it isn't just the "R" party....

Its just the truth that the Dems have a better fiscal record.

Better for who? It sure didnt' do much for me but I know some no working welfare idiots who did pretty well under the Dems.
 
Gunny go back and look at the economy at the time ,It was pretty damned good.

Of course you and every tax payer has the right to do their taxes in their own best interests as long as it legal.

There are responsibilities we have to pay our debts so we dont leave them to our childern who will have their own challenges to overcome and DONT need to be burdened with our messes or even our parents messes.

I for balenced budgets and pay downs of the debt but NOT doing in such a way we become a cold and crass country who ignores the truely needy.

It can be done and its just has not been done by this current R party for decades now.

Its just the truth that the Dems have a better fiscal record.

Not perfect just the best we have had.

How very socialist of you. You want to pay down our debts, but not overburden the truly needy, huh? What about those are out breaking their backs who end up working one day a week for FREE? And that's just to pay income tax. That doesn't even consider every other tax we get slapped with every day. THAT probably makes it TWO DAYS a week for free.

Meanwhile, people like you just want to heap on more of the backbreak. No matter what politicians promise, it is ALWAYS the middle class that bears the burden.

So before you go to sticking your fingers in my pocket to do what YOU think is right, I want to see you and those like you standing on the steps of the Capitol protesting Congressional pay raises, perks. pork spending, and a fat bureaucracy that could be cut in half and STILL be overmanned. You can include in your picket signs ones calling for a SEVERE penalty for corporations who produce goods outside the continental US (and HI & AK). SEVERE penalties for those caught hiring illegals. An don't forget to deport all those illegals and give their jobs to TAXPAYING citizens.

THEN, you can talk to me about my responsibility.
 
Now go back and look at the charts and realise that Clinton didnt raise the deficits as much as either Ronny , Bush 41 and Bush 42.

Who is going to pay those debts?

Your and my kids who had nothing to do with creating them?

It is not as republican party makes it out to be.

The Gingrich R at the time screamed to the high heavens it would destroy the economy and they were WRONG dead wrong.

We ended up with a shit load of foriegn investors buying into our economy because thy saw we were on a fiscally responsible path.

Gunny I am the kind of person who doenst like ohter people paying my bills especially my kid.

BTW I said not forgeting the truely needy Like hungry kids who will do better in school if they have a full belly and a warm place to sleep.

We are a good and loving people us Americans.

Helping our truely needy actually is fiscally responsible to it makes it easier for them to become tax paying citizens when they grow up.
 
Now go back and look at the charts and realise that Clinton didnt raise the deficits as much as either Ronny , Bush 41 and Bush 42.

Who is going to pay those debts?

Your and my kids who had nothing to do with creating them?

It is not as republican party makes it out to be.

The Gingrich R at the time screamed to the high heavens it would destroy the economy and they were WRONG dead wrong.

We ended up with a shit load of foriegn investors buying into our economy because thy saw we were on a fiscally responsible path.

Gunny I am the kind of person who doenst like ohter people paying my bills especially my kid.

BTW I said not forgeting the truely needy Like hungry kids who will do better in school if they have a full belly and a warm place to sleep.

We are a good and loving people us Americans.

Helping our truely needy actually is fiscally responsible to it makes it easier for them to become tax paying citizens when they grow up.

Wrong. Liberals are "good and loving" with MY money. I'm NOT generous when it's being stolen from me, nor when I'm paying more than my fair share. And I just gave you plenty of means to settle the deficit without going into my pocket.

From the perspective of "best results" for my wallet -- meaning my wife and children and how I would like for them to live -- I had more money in my pocket and bought more when Reagan was President. When Clinton was President I was barely covering the bills.

I don't care WHAT your little balance sheet says that makes you all warm and fuzzy. The fact is, the middle class is going to get screwed again, and I'm going to hide EVERY dime I can before it hapens.
 
They are not stealing your money now to use to make people hate you?

remember they have determined the Iraq war has increased terror.
 
Making sure kids get thir preventative shots and basic medical care save us a shitload.
Making sure poor kids have decent food to eat saves us tax dollars in the end.

Educating our kids correctly increases future tax revenue.

Making sure people are not living in substandard housing saves money in the end.

This is what us Liberals believe.

You can pretend we just want to steal you money but it isnt true my friend.

We have a plan ,Its not perfect NO plan is perfect.

Its just a good plan and will actually help peoople and save money in the long run.
 
I don't care WHAT your little balance sheet says that makes you all warm and fuzzy. The fact is, the middle class is going to get screwed again, and I'm going to hide EVERY dime I can before it hapens.

as well you should.

"Any one may so arrange his affairs that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which will best pay the Treasury; there is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes"
Judge Learned Hand
 
as well you should.

"Any one may so arrange his affairs that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which will best pay the Treasury; there is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes"
Judge Learned Hand

Should I REALLY have to though?
 
Should I REALLY have to though?

not if you don't want to pay the minimum legally allowed tax. To not make the effort to minimize your taxes is your decision, not mine. I chose to take my taxes to an accountant who finds me every possible legal deduction and loophole. It is my right as a citizen.
 
Which is what every American should do.

Using the tax laws to thier best benifit.
 
not if you don't want to pay the minimum legally allowed tax. To not make the effort to minimize your taxes is your decision, not mine. I chose to take my taxes to an accountant who finds me every possible legal deduction and loophole. It is my right as a citizen.

My point is; however, why should I have to hide my money that I bust my butt for, from my own government?
 
My point is; however, why should I have to hide my money that I bust my butt for, from my own government?

it is not hiding your money..... unless you do so illegally. It is taking advantage of the tax laws put in place for citizens just like you to avail themselves of the benefits thereof.
 

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