This Is Why The United States Cannot Simply Return Those In The Country Illegally to Their Country of Origin

[Vastator]

Who cares. You force them to take them back.

Start dropping bodies of the Capitol steps; and you'll get a response...

 

[Concerned American]

No country will want to go against Trump.

1) Send convicted illegal criminals back.
2) Offer illegal aliens in the U.S. the chance to not be deported if they register.
3) Issue them a registration card.
4) Any illegal alien caught with no card is immediately deported.
5) Expand immigration courts and start processing aliens with cards.

Most importantly, vet them, investigate their claims, etc. We have the infrastructure to do that. It will, of course, take a while but sometimes it takes a while to undo the evil that others have created.

Send every last one back to Mexico and let them wait their turn. I'm tired of pandering to these invaders. Every one of them is criminally liable for illegally crossing our borders. Let Mexico deal with the problems they created for themselves.

 

[daveman]

He's a Brit troll. He doesn't give a tinker's damn about US immigration issues. He's just stirring the pot.

I know he's utterly irrelevant. I'm illustrating his hypocrisy.

 

[protectionist]

Regarding your conclusion: One word: Parachutes.

Rafts.

 

[Vastator]

Send every last one back to Mexico and let them wait their turn. I'm tired of pandering to these invaders. Every one of them is criminally liable for illegally crossing our borders. Let Mexico deal with the problems they created for themselves.

Living in central AL... when I go into Bucc-ees... at least 50% of the fuckers i see are from South of the Border. And as much as I hate it... I'd rather see them, than the feral blacks.

 

[Leo123]

Send every last one back to Mexico and let them wait their turn. I'm tired of pandering to these invaders. Every one of them is criminally liable for illegally crossing our borders. Let Mexico deal with the problems they created for themselves.

I would love to send every last one back but, unfortunately, once they are here, even illegal, they have the right to due process. Also, my point is, there are too many to deport en masse. It is not doable.

 

[protectionist]

This mass deportation effort involves multiple steps and I haven't heard yet how they plan to accomplish anything other than terrorizing folks with the roundup:

1. Identifying those in the country unlawfully
   a. Identifying those whose locations are known
2. Identifying destinations for deportees
3. Identifying means of transport

Since this is not my job the above is all I could come up with off the top of my head but the following is an explanation as to why this process is not as straight forward as we have been led to believe:

The United States can request that other nations accept their citizens who are subject to deportation, but it cannot unilaterally compel compliance. The success of such efforts depends on international law, diplomatic relations, and the cooperation of the receiving country. Here's an overview:​

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1. International Obligations​

• Vienna Convention on Consular Relations (1963):
  
  • This treaty outlines the framework for consular relations between independent countries, including the obligation to accept the return of their nationals.
  • The U.S. can notify the consulate of the individual's home country and request travel documents to facilitate deportation.
• Domestic Immigration Law:
  
  • U.S. immigration laws authorize the deportation of individuals unlawfully present or otherwise removable.
  • Deportation requires the receiving country's cooperation to issue necessary travel documents, such as passports or emergency travel certificates.

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2. Challenges in Enforcing Returns​

• Non-Cooperation by Receiving Countries:
  
  • Some nations delay or refuse to accept deportees, citing issues like lack of proper identification, disputed citizenship, or political reasons.
  • For example, countries like China have historically been less cooperative in accepting deportees.
    
    AP News​
• Stateless Individuals:
  
  • Deportation becomes more complicated if the individual cannot be definitively linked to a country of citizenship.

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3. U.S. Actions to Encourage Compliance​

The U.S. employs several strategies to encourage other nations to cooperate with deportations:​

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• Visa Sanctions:
  
  • Under Section 243(d) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), the U.S. can suspend the issuance of visas to citizens of countries that refuse or unreasonably delay accepting deportees.
  • In 2017, the U.S. imposed visa sanctions on countries like Eritrea, Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Cambodia for non-cooperation.
    
    AP News​
• Diplomatic Pressure:
  
  • The U.S. engages in bilateral negotiations to encourage compliance, sometimes offering foreign aid or other concessions in exchange for cooperation.
• Repatriation Agreements:
  
  • The U.S. enters into formal agreements with some countries to streamline the deportation process, including timelines and procedures for issuing travel documents.

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4. Human Rights Considerations​

• Non-Refoulement Principle:
  
  • International law prohibits deporting individuals to countries where they would face persecution, torture, or other inhumane treatment.
  • This principle is codified in U.S. law under the Refugee Act of 1980.
• Asylum and Due Process:
  
  • Individuals have the right to apply for asylum or other relief from deportation, which can delay or prevent removal.

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5. Enforcement Challenges​

• Immigration Detention Limits:
  
  • If a country refuses to accept its citizen, the U.S. may not be able to detain the individual indefinitely.
  • The U.S. Supreme Court decision in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) established that immigrants cannot be detained beyond a presumptively reasonable period (six months) if deportation is not reasonably foreseeable.

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Conclusion​

While the United States has legal and diplomatic tools to encourage countries to accept their citizens, it cannot compel compliance. Success often depends on the willingness of the receiving nation, international agreements, and geopolitical factors. When countries refuse to cooperate, deportation efforts can be delayed or halted, highlighting the complex interplay of law, diplomacy, and international relations in immigration enforcement.​

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Sources​

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We may very likely see a re-run of Eisenhower's Operation Wetback (1954- 1959).

A million illegals were deported back to Mexico, Another million fled on their own when Ike's INS cops went house to house in southwestern states, hunting down illegals and arresting them.

Many of them were transported to Vera Cruz by ship, and to shorelines south of there. As a 9 year old boy living in Villahermosa, Tabasco at the time (1955), I watched the American ships with binoculars, from the beach, arriving and dumping illegal alien men into the shallow water, from which they waded ashore, by the thousands.

American liberals & the Mexican government protested furiously. Eisenhower paid no attention to them at all.

 

[Concerned American]

Living in central AL... when I go into Bucc-ees... at least 50% of the fuckers i see are from South of the Border. And as much as I hate it... I'd rather see them, than the feral blacks.

LMAO, until May, I had never heard of Bucc-ees. What a place--travelers Walmart. Wasn't impressed with their gas prices though. We beat it by nearly a dime in Ft. Collins, CO right across the street. As far as illegals vs feral blacks. I have no use for any criminal. Illegal immigrants shouldn't be something we have to deal with. If we didn't have them to deal with, maybe we could better deal with domestic criminals.

 

[Concerned American]

I would love to send every last one back but, unfortunately, once they are here, even illegal, they have the right to due process. Also, my point is, there are too many to deport en masse. It is not doable.

We'll see. I hope you're wrong.

 

[protectionist]

I would love to send every last one back but, unfortunately, once they are here, even illegal, they have the right to due process. Also, my point is, there are too many to deport en masse. It is not doable.

see post # 107

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I would love to send every last one back but, unfortunately, once they are here, even illegal, they have the right to due process. Also, my point is, there are too many to deport en masse. It is not doable.

Exactly.
5 minutes of due process, max, then back into Mexico.

 

[Leo123]

see post # 107

I saw that and I hope something similar can be done today. Here is some info.

"The Supreme Court confirms that the fourteenth amendment does apply to non-citizens. The majority opinion in the Supreme Court case, Zadvydas v. Davisholds that aliens, although not citizens are entitled to Due Process of law. In Zadvydas, the Court held potentially permanent detention of an illegal immigrant awaiting deportation unconstitutional, as the illegal immigrant still had liberty rights. The Court held that an immigrant awaiting deportation could not be held for more than ninety days without a hearing providing, “freedom from imprisonment lies at the heart of the liberty protected by the Due Process Clause.” However, more importantly, the Supreme Court confirmed that all persons are protected and entitled to due process under the United States Constitution. The Court confirmed, “ut once an alien enters the country, the legal circumstance changes, for the Due Process Clause applies to all ‘persons’ within the United States, including aliens, whether their presence here is lawful, unlawful, temporary, or permanent.”

Illegal Immigration and the Right to Due Process – Juris Magazine

sites.law.duq.edu

 

[Leo123]

Exactly.
5 minutes of due process, max, then back into Mexico.

Yep.

 

[JoeB131]

We could just shoot them as invaders. Why make this more difficult than this has to be..?

That would be a violation of several treaties and would make us an international outlaw.

Then they can afford to take all their illegals back.

I'm sure they can... but it doesn't mean they will. If we can't get the boats into the harbors or the planes into the airports, they aren't going back.

 

[JoeB131]

Send every last one back to Mexico and let them wait their turn. I'm tired of pandering to these invaders. Every one of them is criminally liable for illegally crossing our borders. Let Mexico deal with the problems they created for themselves.

Except most of them didn't come in from Mexico, and frankly, there would be a certain point where Mexico stops cooperating on this and a host of other issues.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That would be a violation of several treaties and would make us an international outlaw.



I'm sure they can... but it doesn't mean they will. If we can't get the boats into the harbors or the planes into the airports, they aren't going back.

If we can't get the boats into the harbors or the planes into the airports, they aren't going back.

Well, if they're willing to have their trade with the US damaged for their illegals, ok.

 

[JoeB131]

If we can't get the boats into the harbors or the planes into the airports, they aren't going back.

Well, if they're willing to have their trade with the US damaged for their illegals, ok.

Um, sorry, man, you don't get how any of this works.

70% of our produce comes from Mexico. They can hurt us just as bad as we can hurt them. And that's just Mexico.

Venezuela? Hope you like paying $6.00 for gasoline.

 

[JGalt]

Um, sorry, man, you don't get how any of this works.

70% of our produce comes from Mexico. They can hurt us just as bad as we can hurt them. And that's just Mexico.

Venezuela? Hope you like paying $6.00 for gasoline.

 

[daveman]

That would be a violation of several treaties and would make us an international outlaw.



I'm sure they can... but it doesn't mean they will. If we can't get the boats into the harbors or the planes into the airports, they aren't going back.

We'll send them all to your house, then. You can take care of the poor downtrodden muddled asses yearning to breed free.

 

[daveman]

Except most of them didn't come in from Mexico, and frankly, there would be a certain point where Mexico stops cooperating on this and a host of other issues.

They came in through Mexico -- with Mexico's permission.