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Um, sorry, man, you don't get how any of this works.
70% of our produce comes from Mexico. They can hurt us just as bad as we can hurt them. And that's just Mexico.
Venezuela? Hope you like paying $6.00 for gasoline.
LOL, that's where we send ours.Well, I guess they could ship all their produce to Canada and Cuba.
They will be rounded up, and SHIPPED OUT, in no uncertain terms.I saw that and I hope something similar can be done today. Here is some info.
"The Supreme Court confirms that the fourteenth amendment does apply to non-citizens. The majority opinion in the Supreme Court case, Zadvydas v. Davisholds that aliens, although not citizens are entitled to Due Process of law. In Zadvydas, the Court held potentially permanent detention of an illegal immigrant awaiting deportation unconstitutional, as the illegal immigrant still had liberty rights. The Court held that an immigrant awaiting deportation could not be held for more than ninety days without a hearing providing, “freedom from imprisonment lies at the heart of the liberty protected by the Due Process Clause.” However, more importantly, the Supreme Court confirmed that all persons are protected and entitled to due process under the United States Constitution. The Court confirmed, “ut once an alien enters the country, the legal circumstance changes, for the Due Process Clause applies to all ‘persons’ within the United States, including aliens, whether their presence here is lawful, unlawful, temporary, or permanent.”
Illegal Immigration and the Right to Due Process – Juris Magazine
sites.law.duq.edu
Post 107 answered that.If we can't get the boats into the harbors or the planes into the airports, they aren't going back.
When Trump left office in 2021, we were paying $1.89/gal (home drilled)Um, sorry, man, you don't get how any of this works.
70% of our produce comes from Mexico. They can hurt us just as bad as we can hurt them. And that's just Mexico.
Venezuela? Hope you like paying $6.00 for gasoline.
And where did your ancestors come from? Are you saying that your ancestors, when they came here, should have stayed home and worked on their country?
We may very likely see a re-run of Eisenhower's Operation Wetback (1954- 1959).
A million illegals were deported back to Mexico, Another million fled on their own when Ike's INS cops went house to house in southwestern states, hunting down illegals and arresting them.
Many of them were transported to Vera Cruz by ship, and to shorelines south of there. As a 9 year old boy living in Villahermosa, Tabasco at the time (1955), I watched the American ships with binoculars, from the beach, arriving and dumping illegal alien men into the shallow water, from which they waded ashore, by the thousands.
American liberals & the Mexican government protested furiously. Eisenhower paid no attention to them at all.
Remind me again...why does that obligate us to take in millions of people and give them better benefits than we give American veterans and the elderly?And where did your ancestors come from? Are you saying that your ancestors, when they came here, should have stayed home and worked on their country?
My Dad came from Germany. My Mom had ancestry that included English, Irish, Dutch, and Cherokee. My extended family includes Polish, Lithuanian, Mexican, and Chinese.
Remind me again...why does that obligate us to take in millions of people and give them better benefits than we give American veterans and the elderly?
Illegals shouldn't be getting any.One, we don't give them "better benefits".
You can pay my share.According to The Daily Mail, the $151 billion spent by the U.S. government on illegal immigration in 2023 is comparable to the $151 billion the government spent on security programs for veterans and the survivors of veterans last year.
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In Monday’s social media post, DOGE referenced a Federation for American Immigration Reform study from March of 2023 that showed illegal immigration cost the federal government roughly $151 billion. The study determined the cost of illegal immigration by subtracting $32 billion in tax revenue collected from illegal immigrants from a total of $182 billion in the “gross negative impact of illegal immigration.”
The Federation for American Immigration Reform study showed that illegal immigration “costs each American taxpayer $1,156 per year ($957 after factoring in taxes paid by illegal aliens).”
Our laws also require immigrants to obey our immigration laws. But you don't want those laws enforced.Second, our laws require us to take in refugees and those seeking asylum. Also international treaties that we have signed.
Sounds like we should close the border, doesn't it?The reason why it's a problem now is that Trump and Human Reptile Steven Miller demolished the asylum system, and it takes 7 years to get an asylum hearing.
Illegals shouldn't be getting any.
You can pay my share.
Sounds like we should close the border, doesn't it?
YOU are the dummy. The Covid extreme recession (caused by & maintained by Democrats) ended in JULY of 2020, with Q3 having the highest GDP growth % in US history (35.2%), and Q4 was a quite respectable 4.4. by the time Biden took over, the economy had more than recovered. Research before you post.Because everyone was out of a job or working from home and all the stores were still shuttered.
Where the oil comes from has no effect on the price, dummy. It's a traded commodity.
tradingeconomics.com
FALSE! They protested furiously. Eisenhower paid no attention to them.Well, you have a few things wrong here.
First, the Mexican government didn't protest furiously. In fact, they were very cooperative because there was a need for labor in Mexico at the time. Eisenhower had the international standing to convince Mexico to work with us. (As opposed to Trump, who is considered a buffoon in most of the rest of the world.)
Second, there were so many immigrants at that time because of something called the "Bracero Program," which recruited Mexican laborers to fill in for US Citizens who had been drafted for WWII. This meant that they were pretty easy to identify, as opposed to today, when illegals have learned how to blend in.
Third, a lot of people died during Operation Wetback. It wasn't considered a big deal then, but today it is recognized as a major human rights violation. In addition, many AMERICAN CITIZENS were swept up and deported in error.
All of this is relevant because
1) The foreign governments - and there are many of them- are not likely to cooperate the way Mexico did. Some of them, like Venezuela, we have very little influence over because we are already treating them as hostile. Good luck getting China to take back their illegals.
2) The minute someone dies in custody, or you accidentally scoop up Juan Sanchez, who was born here, it's going to be a public relations disaster. You'll hear cries of "I was just upset about inflation, I didn't vote for THIS!"
3) There was an actual economic need for Operation Wetback, in that Mexico needed labor, and we needed to make jobs for returning GI's. Today, we have the opposite problem. We have 7 million unfilled jobs right now.
You simply refuse to see the problem. We shouldn't spend ANY money getting illegals settled. They need to be deported.That wasn't your claim. Your claim was that illegals were getting better benefits than Veterans. We spend $450 billion a year on veterans compared to 150 billion helping undocumented immigrants get settled.
My small pension cost me 20 years of my life and an as-yet undetermined impact on my health. I don't owe you shit, boy.Awesome, right after you pay me back for the money you get as a retiree for doing nothing.
As usual, you're angry at the wrong people. Democrats have purposefully overloaded the system. Why? So people will support amnesty for illegals, and a pathway to citizenship. Actually, it's a pathway to registered Democrat voters.Nope, it sounds to me like we should have a process that is efficient.
Now, this isn't just academic for me. My wife applied for asylum in 2017. As of 2023, they STILL hadn't heard her case. (We then went for a sponsorship route, which took a year to do.)
Our laws state that if someone applies for asylum, they should have a hearing within 180 days to determine the validity of their claim. We aren't doing that.
The roadblocks you mention would likely flummox softies like George Bush or other amnesty loving presidentsThis mass deportation effort involves multiple steps and I haven't heard yet how they plan to accomplish anything other than terrorizing folks with the roundup:
Since this is not my job the above is all I could come up with off the top of my head but the following is an explanation as to why this process is not as straight forward as we have been led to believe:
- Identifying those in the country unlawfully
a. Identifying those whose locations are known- Identifying destinations for deportees
- Identifying means of transport
The United States can request that other nations accept their citizens who are subject to deportation, but it cannot unilaterally compel compliance. The success of such efforts depends on international law, diplomatic relations, and the cooperation of the receiving country. Here's an overview:
1. International Obligations
- Vienna Convention on Consular Relations (1963):
- This treaty outlines the framework for consular relations between independent countries, including the obligation to accept the return of their nationals.
- The U.S. can notify the consulate of the individual's home country and request travel documents to facilitate deportation.
- Domestic Immigration Law:
- U.S. immigration laws authorize the deportation of individuals unlawfully present or otherwise removable.
- Deportation requires the receiving country's cooperation to issue necessary travel documents, such as passports or emergency travel certificates.
2. Challenges in Enforcing Returns
- Non-Cooperation by Receiving Countries:
- Some nations delay or refuse to accept deportees, citing issues like lack of proper identification, disputed citizenship, or political reasons.
- For example, countries like China have historically been less cooperative in accepting deportees.
- Stateless Individuals:
- Deportation becomes more complicated if the individual cannot be definitively linked to a country of citizenship.
3. U.S. Actions to Encourage ComplianceThe U.S. employs several strategies to encourage other nations to cooperate with deportations:
- Visa Sanctions:
- Under Section 243(d) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), the U.S. can suspend the issuance of visas to citizens of countries that refuse or unreasonably delay accepting deportees.
- In 2017, the U.S. imposed visa sanctions on countries like Eritrea, Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Cambodia for non-cooperation.
- Diplomatic Pressure:
- The U.S. engages in bilateral negotiations to encourage compliance, sometimes offering foreign aid or other concessions in exchange for cooperation.
- Repatriation Agreements:
- The U.S. enters into formal agreements with some countries to streamline the deportation process, including timelines and procedures for issuing travel documents.
4. Human Rights Considerations
- Non-Refoulement Principle:
- International law prohibits deporting individuals to countries where they would face persecution, torture, or other inhumane treatment.
- This principle is codified in U.S. law under the Refugee Act of 1980.
- Asylum and Due Process:
- Individuals have the right to apply for asylum or other relief from deportation, which can delay or prevent removal.
5. Enforcement Challenges
- Immigration Detention Limits:
- If a country refuses to accept its citizen, the U.S. may not be able to detain the individual indefinitely.
- The U.S. Supreme Court decision in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) established that immigrants cannot be detained beyond a presumptively reasonable period (six months) if deportation is not reasonably foreseeable.
ConclusionWhile the United States has legal and diplomatic tools to encourage countries to accept their citizens, it cannot compel compliance. Success often depends on the willingness of the receiving nation, international agreements, and geopolitical factors. When countries refuse to cooperate, deportation efforts can be delayed or halted, highlighting the complex interplay of law, diplomacy, and international relations in immigration enforcement.Sources
YOU are the dummy. The Covid extreme recession (caused by & maintained by Democrats) ended in JULY of 2020, with Q3 having the highest GDP growth % in US history (35.2%), and Q4 was a quite respectable 4.4. by the time Biden took over, the economy had more than recovered. Research before you post.
You simply refuse to see the problem. We shouldn't spend ANY money getting illegals settled. They need to be deported.
But Democrats, looking to skew the census for House seats, welcome them in through the wide-open border.
You don't really think Democrats care about them as human beings, do you? That's laughable.
My small pension cost me 20 years of my life and an as-yet undetermined impact on my health. I don't owe you shit, boy.
As usual, you're angry at the wrong people. Democrats have purposefully overloaded the system. Why? So people will support amnesty for illegals, and a pathway to citizenship. Actually, it's a pathway to registered Democrat voters.
Democrats' sole agenda is not to help people or benefit America. It's to gain and consolidate political power. Useful Idiots like you do whatever they tell you to do, and you support them without question or hesitation.
You illustrated a fine point about the harm they've done to your family. But you just can't make that final, small step and place the blame where it belongs.
Bill Clinton and Barack Obama had no problem deporting millions of illegals and neither with Donald Trump.This mass deportation effort involves multiple steps and I haven't heard yet how they plan to accomplish anything other than terrorizing folks with the roundup:
Since this is not my job the above is all I could come up with off the top of my head but the following is an explanation as to why this process is not as straight forward as we have been led to believe:
- Identifying those in the country unlawfully
a. Identifying those whose locations are known- Identifying destinations for deportees
- Identifying means of transport
The United States can request that other nations accept their citizens who are subject to deportation, but it cannot unilaterally compel compliance. The success of such efforts depends on international law, diplomatic relations, and the cooperation of the receiving country. Here's an overview:
1. International Obligations
- Vienna Convention on Consular Relations (1963):
- This treaty outlines the framework for consular relations between independent countries, including the obligation to accept the return of their nationals.
- The U.S. can notify the consulate of the individual's home country and request travel documents to facilitate deportation.
- Domestic Immigration Law:
- U.S. immigration laws authorize the deportation of individuals unlawfully present or otherwise removable.
- Deportation requires the receiving country's cooperation to issue necessary travel documents, such as passports or emergency travel certificates.
2. Challenges in Enforcing Returns
- Non-Cooperation by Receiving Countries:
- Some nations delay or refuse to accept deportees, citing issues like lack of proper identification, disputed citizenship, or political reasons.
- For example, countries like China have historically been less cooperative in accepting deportees.
- Stateless Individuals:
- Deportation becomes more complicated if the individual cannot be definitively linked to a country of citizenship.
3. U.S. Actions to Encourage ComplianceThe U.S. employs several strategies to encourage other nations to cooperate with deportations:
- Visa Sanctions:
- Under Section 243(d) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), the U.S. can suspend the issuance of visas to citizens of countries that refuse or unreasonably delay accepting deportees.
- In 2017, the U.S. imposed visa sanctions on countries like Eritrea, Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Cambodia for non-cooperation.
- Diplomatic Pressure:
- The U.S. engages in bilateral negotiations to encourage compliance, sometimes offering foreign aid or other concessions in exchange for cooperation.
- Repatriation Agreements:
- The U.S. enters into formal agreements with some countries to streamline the deportation process, including timelines and procedures for issuing travel documents.
4. Human Rights Considerations
- Non-Refoulement Principle:
- International law prohibits deporting individuals to countries where they would face persecution, torture, or other inhumane treatment.
- This principle is codified in U.S. law under the Refugee Act of 1980.
- Asylum and Due Process:
- Individuals have the right to apply for asylum or other relief from deportation, which can delay or prevent removal.
5. Enforcement Challenges
- Immigration Detention Limits:
- If a country refuses to accept its citizen, the U.S. may not be able to detain the individual indefinitely.
- The U.S. Supreme Court decision in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) established that immigrants cannot be detained beyond a presumptively reasonable period (six months) if deportation is not reasonably foreseeable.
ConclusionWhile the United States has legal and diplomatic tools to encourage countries to accept their citizens, it cannot compel compliance. Success often depends on the willingness of the receiving nation, international agreements, and geopolitical factors. When countries refuse to cooperate, deportation efforts can be delayed or halted, highlighting the complex interplay of law, diplomacy, and international relations in immigration enforcement.Sources
Bill Clinton and Barack Obama had no problem deporting millions of illegals and neither with Donald Trump.
