This Is Why The United States Cannot Simply Return Those In The Country Illegally to Their Country of Origin

[Cellblock2429]

You havent really given this much thought have you ?

/——/ Soy Boy Trudeau certainly snapped to attention, traveled to Mar-a-Lago to kiss the ring and took a knee as soon as Trump mentioned 25% tariffs. Mexican president promptly stoped the caravans.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

You can and you will. They are in your country illegally. If those countries who watched happily as their worst left for America don't accept repatriation, the will pay a steep economic cost, this is Trumps public assertion so no nation would be surprised.

Paying a steep price is still not them being returned to where they came from.

I guess we'll all just have to wait this out & see. I'm not saying that Trump is not going to follow through on his promise, I'm just saying I don't believe it's straight forward & easy as it's been made out to be.

And then there is still that pesky problem of the ones that are roaming the country with no picture ID and are allowed to board commercial aircraft by only showing their summons to appear. What kind of crap is that?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Does that country have a choice? And we don't? That's weird.

It's not the only thing about the situation that is weird.

 

[the watcher]

Identifying those in the country unlawfully

They can't even reliably identify who the individuals are, they have 6 names when they get here. That's who is running loose in the country right now.

 

[sealybobo]

Yeah, well that's how it goes. The problem in the US is everything is out of whack. So, inflation rises and all sorts of things happen that lead to more and more problems.

Everything is not out of wack. Only uneducated blue collar workers are not making enough. College educated people make around $80K. Uneducated make around $50K. They are struggling. Meanwhile their bosses are doing better than ever.

America is GREAT.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Everything is not out of wack. Only uneducated blue collar workers are not making enough. College educated people make around $80K. Uneducated make around $50K. They are struggling. Meanwhile their bosses are doing better than ever.

America is GREAT.

/——/ Back up your claim with a link.

 

[JoeB131]

Do you realize how much money the US gives those "other countries" and what happens if we cut them off?

Actually, not that much.

Most of our foreign Aid, outside of Ukraine, goes to the Zionist Entity and her neighbors to play nice with her.

We don't spend all that much with the countries they come from.

FA.gov

ForeignAssistance.gov is the U.S. government’s flagship website for making U.S. foreign assistance data available to the public. It serves as the central resource for budgetary and financial data produced by U.S. government agencies that manage foreign assistance portfolios.

foreignassistance.gov

for instance, Venezuela only gets 209 Million in a GDP of 106 Billion. It's a pittance.
El Salvador gets 157 million out of a GDP of 35 Billion
Honduras gets 204 million. GDP 36 Billion
Nicaragua gets 23 million out of a GDP of 18 Billion.

China... Here's a good one. China gets 2.2 million in foreign aid. I have no idea why, China is the second biggest economy at 18 Trillion.

 

[JoeB131]

They came here without United States' cooperation. They can go back home. We have no obligation to keep them.

You see, this is where you are confused.

They came here because a white person was willing to give them a job.

A white person was willing to give them a job because they work harder for less money than other white people.

See how that works?

 

[sealybobo]

/——/ Back up your claim with a link.
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Remember we already proved the economy was great and you guys said despite the facts, it doesn't "feel" that way.

According to recent economic data, wages have been increasing at a faster rate than inflation, meaning that after adjusting for inflation, workers are seeing a net increase in their purchasing power; essentially, wages are "up after inflation."

From 2019 to 2022, the median net worth of American families jumped 37% to $192,900, after adjusting for inflation. It’s the largest increase ever recorded by the federal Survey of Consumer Finances, released last fall. Surging home values and rising stock ownership fed the surge.

A middle-age Millionaires' Row: Average 50-something now has net worth over $1 million

Sometime around age 50, the average American can now expect a net worth exceeding $1 million. How did so many 50-somethings become millionaires?

www.usatoday.com

Your problem is you fall into the median not the average. I'm 54 and in between. I should hit a million before I hit 60. Not counting the $400,000 my dad might leave me.

50-somethings​

• Average net worth: $1,132,532 (ages 50-54), $1,442,075 (ages 55-59)
• Median net worth: $272,800 (ages 50-54), $320,700 (ages 55-59)

 

[the watcher]

A white person was willing to give them a job because they work harder for less money than other white people.

See how that works?

I see nothing wrong with illegals working to support themselves if they are at least documented. The problem we face is that our government is siphoning tax money to support lazy ass Americans who think they are so entitled that they won't do any work. They are the problem.

 

[JoeB131]

I see nothing wrong with illegals working to support themselves if they are at least documented. The problem we face is that our government is siphoning tax money to support lazy ass Americans who think they are so entitled that they won't do any work. They are the problem.

Which Americans are those?

40% of people on assistance have at least one person with a job in the household. Of the rest, they are too old, disabled, etc.

 

[justoffal]

This mass deportation effort involves multiple steps and I haven't heard yet how they plan to accomplish anything other than terrorizing folks with the roundup:

1. Identifying those in the country unlawfully
   a. Identifying those whose locations are known
2. Identifying destinations for deportees
3. Identifying means of transport

Since this is not my job the above is all I could come up with off the top of my head but the following is an explanation as to why this process is not as straight forward as we have been led to believe:

The United States can request that other nations accept their citizens who are subject to deportation, but it cannot unilaterally compel compliance. The success of such efforts depends on international law, diplomatic relations, and the cooperation of the receiving country. Here's an overview:​

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1. International Obligations​

• Vienna Convention on Consular Relations (1963):
  
  • This treaty outlines the framework for consular relations between independent countries, including the obligation to accept the return of their nationals.
  • The U.S. can notify the consulate of the individual's home country and request travel documents to facilitate deportation.
• Domestic Immigration Law:
  
  • U.S. immigration laws authorize the deportation of individuals unlawfully present or otherwise removable.
  • Deportation requires the receiving country's cooperation to issue necessary travel documents, such as passports or emergency travel certificates.

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2. Challenges in Enforcing Returns​

• Non-Cooperation by Receiving Countries:
  
  • Some nations delay or refuse to accept deportees, citing issues like lack of proper identification, disputed citizenship, or political reasons.
  • For example, countries like China have historically been less cooperative in accepting deportees.
    
    AP News​
• Stateless Individuals:
  
  • Deportation becomes more complicated if the individual cannot be definitively linked to a country of citizenship.

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3. U.S. Actions to Encourage Compliance​

The U.S. employs several strategies to encourage other nations to cooperate with deportations:​

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• Visa Sanctions:
  
  • Under Section 243(d) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), the U.S. can suspend the issuance of visas to citizens of countries that refuse or unreasonably delay accepting deportees.
  • In 2017, the U.S. imposed visa sanctions on countries like Eritrea, Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Cambodia for non-cooperation.
    
    AP News​
• Diplomatic Pressure:
  
  • The U.S. engages in bilateral negotiations to encourage compliance, sometimes offering foreign aid or other concessions in exchange for cooperation.
• Repatriation Agreements:
  
  • The U.S. enters into formal agreements with some countries to streamline the deportation process, including timelines and procedures for issuing travel documents.

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4. Human Rights Considerations​

• Non-Refoulement Principle:
  
  • International law prohibits deporting individuals to countries where they would face persecution, torture, or other inhumane treatment.
  • This principle is codified in U.S. law under the Refugee Act of 1980.
• Asylum and Due Process:
  
  • Individuals have the right to apply for asylum or other relief from deportation, which can delay or prevent removal.

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5. Enforcement Challenges​

• Immigration Detention Limits:
  
  • If a country refuses to accept its citizen, the U.S. may not be able to detain the individual indefinitely.
  • The U.S. Supreme Court decision in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) established that immigrants cannot be detained beyond a presumptively reasonable period (six months) if deportation is not reasonably foreseeable.

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Conclusion​

While the United States has legal and diplomatic tools to encourage countries to accept their citizens, it cannot compel compliance. Success often depends on the willingness of the receiving nation, international agreements, and geopolitical factors. When countries refuse to cooperate, deportation efforts can be delayed or halted, highlighting the complex interplay of law, diplomacy, and international relations in immigration enforcement.​

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All Trump has to do is threaten the foreign aid and the countries of origin will move like goddamed snakes on a hot griddle to streamline the process despite all of the tough guy rhetoric from idiots like Senora Presidente Cartela,,,,Trust me

 

[sealybobo]

I see nothing wrong with illegals working to support themselves if they are at least documented. The problem we face is that our government is siphoning tax money to support lazy ass Americans who think they are so entitled that they won't do any work. They are the problem.

You mean legally hire immigrants in the USA? Give them work visas but not citizenship? Interesting idea.

 

[justoffal]

I see nothing wrong with illegals working to support themselves if they are at least documented. The problem we face is that our government is siphoning tax money to support lazy ass Americans who think they are so entitled that they won't do any work. They are the problem.

There are 2.9 million federal employees and 94% of them don't show up for work on a regular basis.
So you can assume they are pretty much fucking off most of the time, working second jobs on the clock and all kinds of
other shit. Must be nice to sit at home with the kids, watch cartoons and drink a latte while collecting that paycheck and bennies. What about vacation time? For a person that hasn't showed up to their desk for three months....how the hell do you give them a vacation? so lets see now..... 2,900,000 * .94 is 2,726,000 Jobs that are being done inefficiently. So we have the median income for Gov employees at 85k/year or 231.7 Billion per year that is being mishandled in payout to jobs that are probably not getting done correctly. Plenty of meat to slice off there I would say.

 

[justoffal]

You mean legally hire immigrants in the USA? Give them work visas but not citizenship? Interesting idea.

Why not? It's a step up for them and at least a path....better than what they have now.

 

[JoeB131]

All Trump has to do is threaten the foreign aid and the countries of origin will move like goddamed snakes on a hot griddle to streamline the process despite all of the tough guy rhetoric from idiots like Senora Presidente Cartela,,,,Trust me

We don't have as much leverage as you want to think.

What we give out in aid is really a pittance.

American foreign aid to Mexico is 234 Million dollars.

Mexico's GDP is 1.789 Trillion.

 

[the watcher]

American foreign aid to Mexico is 234 Million dollars.

What value do you assign for the tax free drug money sent there, or the money we spend subsidizing their migrants, or the remittances sent back to their families, or the money we spend to educate their young or imprison their criminals here? Does any of that count?

 

[JoeB131]

What value do you assign for the tax free drug money sent there, or the money we spend subsidizing their migrants, or the remittances sent back to their families, or the money we spend to educate their young or imprison their criminals here? Does any of that count?

Nope, not really, because the government can't really control any of that.

Let's take remittances. We live in a world of global banking, and you think the banking industry is going to give up one of it's more lucrative forms of revenue?

IF you guys really want to stop illegal migration, then you need to reform immigration and enforce work rules.

 

[the watcher]

IF you guys really want to stop illegal migration, then you need to reform immigration and enforce work rules.

Isn't that another thing the government can't control? They can certainly control taxing working people however they wish to. They also seem to be able to control spreading the wealth to the NGOs that service the illegals pretty well.

 

[sealybobo]

Why not? It's a step up for them and at least a path....better than what they have now.

I love it. Pay in to social security, don't necessarily get social security. But to work here, you got to pay in. I LOVE IT!