This is why progressive elitists want socialized health care

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Wellness plan for Chicago city workers - The SouthtownStar

They want to control your lives under the ruse of "cost."

This is EXACTLY what would happen under Obamacare...

Not only that but they would attack and tax any product the government defines as "unhealthy" killing the businesses that carry or produce the products, hence killing jobs.
 

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An employer-sponsored health insurance plan that incorporates wellness incentives? How unusual!

Something, something socialism...OBAMACARE. Boo!
 
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An employer-sponsored health insurance plan that incorporates wellness incentives? How unusual!

Something, something socialism...OBAMACARE. Boo!
The employer is the state government...

This has nothing to do with socialism as an economic theory and everything to do with the social consequences of socialism.

The government in authoritarian fashion dictates your life and if you don't follow those rules you're going to get fucked one way or another...

This is just an example of big government dictating peoples lives...

Who the fuck is the government to tell people what they can and cannot do or eat???

Then progressives have the fucking audacity to claim they're for individual freedom???

No, no you're not - you're for a government dictated Orwellian society and this new "wellness plan" proves just that...
 

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The employer is the state government... [...]

This is just an example of big government dictating peoples lives...
Indeed, the city (this is happening at the municipal level) is acting in its capacity as an employer. It "dictates" the terms of its employees' compensation packages. By which I mean it negotiates them with its public sector unions.

Are you coming out strong for public sector unions as a counterbalance to defend against the, er, outrageous tyranny the City of Chicago is visiting upon public employees?

Anyway, the city is hardly the only employer offering wellness incentives in the health benefit it offers employees.
 

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It's usually not about cost or health or name the issue here _____ , it's typically about greed with "Progressive" types. They lust after power. They thirst for it like an alcoholic thirst for well... alcohol.

Which reminds me, I need a drink.
 
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The employer is the state government... [...]

This is just an example of big government dictating peoples lives...
Indeed, the city (this is happening at the municipal level) is acting in its capacity as an employer. It "dictates" the terms of its employees' compensation packages. By which I mean it negotiates them with its public sector unions.

Are you coming out strong for public sector unions as a counterbalance to defend against the, er, outrageous tyranny the City of Chicago is visiting upon public employees?

Anyway, the city is hardly the only employer offering wellness incentives in the health benefit it offers employees.
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That is the point...

This is how governments control people..

"oh well it will cost you too much money" therefore I have the right to tax fast food joints 25% because they're contributing to this massive alleged fat epidemic...

If I was a socialist that despised capitalism I would use that to destroy the capitalist model..

"I'll tax you out of business because you're a capitalist business and I will take that money and redistribute it"

Er " I don't like you, you're my enemy - therefore I'm sicking the dogs on you (progressive socialist brainwashed health nuts) and we're going to shut you down"

I called this shit the second socialized health care was up for debate....

I suppose I'm correct yet again......
 
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no one will smack the donut out your hand Nick stop fucking crying about EVERYTHING
 

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After a standoff on work-rule changes, Mayor Rahm Emanuel has forged an agreement with city unions on a plan to try to drive down the city’s $500 million-a-year health care costs by as much as $240 million over four years.
nick hates saving money....
If you believe Rahm Emanuel and unions are going to save $240 million, you're more naive than i thought........
 

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After a standoff on work-rule changes, Mayor Rahm Emanuel has forged an agreement with city unions on a plan to try to drive down the city’s $500 million-a-year health care costs by as much as $240 million over four years.
nick hates saving money....
If you believe Rahm Emanuel and unions are going to save $240 million, you're more naive than i thought........
Tell us more oh tin foil hatted one
 

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An employer-sponsored health insurance plan that incorporates wellness incentives? How unusual!

Something, something socialism...OBAMACARE. Boo!
The employer is the state government...

This has nothing to do with socialism as an economic theory and everything to do with the social consequences of socialism.

The government in authoritarian fashion dictates your life and if you don't follow those rules you're going to get fucked one way or another...

This is just an example of big government dictating peoples lives...

Who the fuck is the government to tell people what they can and cannot do or eat???

Then progressives have the fucking audacity to claim they're for individual freedom???

No, no you're not - you're for a government dictated Orwellian society and this new "wellness plan" proves just that...
what industies are nationalized here in the socialist USA?
 

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I like this program. It offers a modest discount in health insurance to people who have healthy habits (not healthy outcomes). This seems exactly analogous to discounts by other insurers, such as car insurance providers who offer discounts to safe drivers.
 

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Meet your BMI monthly goal ? Fat asses pay more.
 
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An employer-sponsored health insurance plan that incorporates wellness incentives? How unusual!

Something, something socialism...OBAMACARE. Boo!
yeah but if you get a 50 $ citation it is not a healthcare program it is a law in disguise !! how in the hell are you going to force someone to be healthy !!:doubt:
 

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The $50 premium differential actually seems fairly modest, as according to Mercer a $180 differential is more common among employers using this tactic.

Over the past decade employers have been adding a wide range of programs under the employee health management or “wellness” umbrella, from health risk assessments (offered by 69% of large employers in 2010) to disease management programs (73%) to behavior modification programs (50%).

Results are encouraging: For a second year in a row, medical plan cost increases in 2010 were about two percentage points lower, on average, among employers with extensive health management programs than among those employers offering limited or no health management programs.

But cost savings are only possible if employees choose to participate in the programs, so in 2010 more employers added incentives or penalties to encourage higher participation rates: 27% of large employers with health management programs provided incentives, up from 21% last year (Fig 7). In addition, the incentives are becoming more substantial. Three years ago, a token gift like a hat or water bottle was the most common incentive for completing a health risk assessment; now it is cash (typically, $75) or a lower premium contribution (typically, a reduction of $180).

Nearly two-thirds of employers that have measured the return on their investment in health management programs say they are satisfied with the year-over-year savings, lower utilization rates or improved health risks.

Very large employers are also increasingly willing to reward employees who demonstrate responsibility for their own health. More than a fourth of those with 20,000 or more employees require lower premium contributions from nonsmokers – 28%, up from 23% last year. An additional 6% provide other incentives to nonsmokers (Fig. 8).
 

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This is just an example of big government dictating peoples lives...
As already correctly pointed out, no it doesn&#8217;t.

If I was a socialist that despised capitalism I would use that to destroy the capitalist model..

"I'll tax you out of business because you're a capitalist business and I will take that money and redistribute it"
Nonsense &#8211; that&#8217;s clearly not what&#8217;s happening here. This is some bizarre contrivance on your part, predicated on blind dogma.
 

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An employer-sponsored health insurance plan that incorporates wellness incentives? How unusual!

Something, something socialism...OBAMACARE. Boo!
Yep. First we let our employers use the monopoly on health care to control us, now we're lining up to let the government have a go at it.

Heh.. gotta love it. Go team!
 

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