This is why I have never and will never vote for any Democrat politician.

How about STOP pissing away our tax money, by forgiving student loans, by giving debit cards and hotel rooms to illegal aliens, by sending our military hardware to Ukraine where it just gets destroyed?
I’ve been hearing this exact same bullshit from Republicans for three decades.

They spend every bit as much money as Dems but worse… they cut taxes which bumps the debt up.

It’s a dog and pony show
 
I did in post 26, once again yoj get caught lying

How can we have honest debates with dishonest dembots?? That’s the real question
Calm down bucko I wasn’t lying I just missed that reply of yours. My bad. Mistakes happen.

So SOLs look to be a good idea. Are wanting to see a federal SOL system to evaluate teachers and grant compensation accordingly? How does it all get executed?
 
Schools are financially strapped mostly because of being bloated with bureaucracy with inflationary pressures added on. Get the federal government out of it and a lot of that will go away.
Again, I understand your talking points but I’m looking for actual execution. Are you saying that if we cut federal funding that will force local districts to fire administrators so that they can afford to pay teachers? And then the end result will be teacher being better compensated?
 
yes, because your beloved Republican party has done so very well with fiscal constraint

100% accurate, but good luck getting ANY republican to agree with you. Libertarians are about the only group still preaching about fiscal conservatism.
 
Calm down bucko I wasn’t lying I just missed that reply of yours. My bad. Mistakes happen.

So SOLs look to be a good idea. Are wanting to see a federal SOL system to evaluate teachers and grant compensation accordingly? How does it all get executed?
I’m fine with a state sol system. Teachers aren’t federal employees
 
How much did Dubya expand the Border Patrol?
Here we go again, same ole, same ole-------------No defense of Biden's failed policies, just another deflection. What Dubya did, has nothing to do with what Biden is doing at our Southern border. For the past 3 1/2 years Biden has begged the third world to send us your worst. His nitwit solution for this invasion is not to close the border but to hire more Border patrol to PROCESS the hoards more quickly. I suggest you bend over and say hello to what is left of your grey matter.
 
Again, I understand your talking points but I’m looking for actual execution. Are you saying that if we cut federal funding that will force local districts to fire administrators so that they can afford to pay teachers? And then the end result will be teacher being better compensated?
I am saying that everything the federal government meddles in, other than it's specific assigned constitutional responsibilities, becomes more expensive, less efficient and effective, creates unnecessary problems, and/or is just plain messed up. The Constitution does not give the federal government ANY authority to provide or fund education.
 
If we have a border problem why not add 100,000 new border agents?
 
I am saying that everything the federal government meddles in, other than it's specific assigned constitutional responsibilities, becomes more expensive, less efficient and effective, creates unnecessary problems, and/or is just plain messed up. The Constitution does not give the federal government ANY authority to provide or fund education.
Ok, you got your points on why you don’t like the government and want to disband the DOE… now moving forward to the real life effects of what you propose. I’m asking how defunding the schools results in better teachers and education. At some point you need to go beyond platitudes and explain how things will actually work
 
Ok, you got your points on why you don’t like the government and want to disband the DOE… now moving forward to the real life effects of what you propose. I’m asking how defunding the schools results in better teachers and education. At some point you need to go beyond platitudes and explain how things will actually work
In my opinion, if the federal government backs out of education, there will be a period of pain because you can't undo really bad policy without producing some of that.

And then we will return to something closer to what existed before the federal government screwed it all up. Hopefully schools will return to the communities where the people who support the local schools, the administrators, teachers, parents, school boards, and at times the students all work together to maintain schools that reflect shared values and concepts and what the policies should be. When that was the case, the USA had the most excellent education system in the entire world. We do not have that now.

And yes I have been heavily involved in the schools for most of my adult life as school board member, parent, substitute teacher, tutor, sports, music, arts booster, etc. etc.
 
In my opinion, if the federal government backs out of education, there will be a period of pain because you can't undo really bad policy without producing some of that.

And then we will return to something closer to what existed before the federal government screwed it all up. Hopefully schools will return to the communities where the people who support the local schools, the administrators, teachers, parents, school boards, and at times the students all work together to maintain schools that reflect shared values and concepts and what the policies should be. When that was the case, the USA had the most excellent education system in the entire world. We do not have that now.

And yes I have been heavily involved in the schools for most of my adult life as school board member, parent, substitute teacher, tutor, sports, music, arts booster, etc. etc.
Pain and hope doesn’t sound very reliable. You plain sounds great for affluent community’s that have resources to pay for their schools and education. For communities that don’t have that it sounds like they are going to take the brunt of the “pain” you speak of. I wonder how long they will be impacted and how they survive it. What’s the light at the end of their tunnel of how you see it working out for them? In otherwords how do they get the resources they need to provide decent education?
 
Pain and hope doesn’t sound very reliable. You plain sounds great for affluent community’s that have resources to pay for their schools and education. For communities that don’t have that it sounds like they are going to take the brunt of the “pain” you speak of. I wonder how long they will be impacted and how they survive it. What’s the light at the end of their tunnel of how you see it working out for them? In otherwords how do they get the resources they need to provide decent education?
It works in all communities we have lived and most of them have not been affluent communities.
 
It works in all communities we have lived and most of them have not been affluent communities.
In which decade did it work best? Maybe we can take a look at that and use it as a model.
 
In which decade did it work best? Maybe we can take a look at that and use it as a model.
I think it works in all decades. But I think we've derailed the discussion sufficiently for this thread which is not about education per se but how federal dollars thrown at problems don't fix anything and usually make things worse. If you are interested start your own thread on education and see where it goes.
 
I think it works in all decades. But I think we've derailed the discussion sufficiently for this thread which is not about education per se but how federal dollars thrown at problems don't fix anything and usually make things worse. If you are interested start your own thread on education and see where it goes.
Well I am making an argument that providing money and resources to schools is very much needed in many areas not only give the kids what they need but also to hire quality teachers. I’d be willing to listen to a plan to reduce the fed influence but I don’t think I could support the “pain and hope” scenario, especially given who it is who will be feeling the pain
 
Let’s run with your position about teachers for a minute. How do you propose we attract talented people without competitive wages?
At our county's beginning students were taught in mostly rural one-room schoolhouses. Just how talented and well-paid do you think these teachers were? Getting a great education was possible because the students wanted to learn. Their heads were filled with practicality for the times, not the BS that woke school boards demand today. Pay or talent is not the determining factor for failed schools, it is the kids who are not motivated to succeed.
 
At our county's beginning students were taught in mostly rural one-room schoolhouses. Just how talented and well-paid do you think these teachers were? Getting a great education was possible because the students wanted to learn. Their heads were filled with practicality for the times, not the BS that woke school boards demand today. Pay or talent is not the determining factor for failed schools, it is the kids who are not motivated to succeed.
Do you think that model of how classrooms were then would work in today’s society?
 
Let’s run with your position about teachers for a minute. How do you propose we attract talented people without competitive wages?

Most government school teachers are simply glorified babysitters.
 
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