This Is What Happened At The Pentagon On 9/11

[RetiredGySgt]

Here is a picture of a turbine found at the crash site. This is a Rolls-Royce turbine used in a Boeing 757.

This is how it fits into the engine

And here is more evidence of photos from the turbine

Aerospaceweb.org | Ask Us - Pentagon & Boeing 757 Engine Investigation

The claim this retard is making is that it was a different engine. And that the engine was part of the A-3, a naval bomber from the past. More recently used as a small awacs by the navy and a electronics counter force.

The problem is, the engine he claims it IS was NEVER part of an A-3. It was designed and used on large Airliners Starting with 707.

Further he claims that the wheel found was off the A-3. Again completely wrong. The wheel matches exactly those found on the type of Aircraft that went missing that day. ( missing according to him.

I have already posted this twice. Here is the link to show that his claims are simply not true.

The JT8D and A3 Skywarrior Pentagon Theory

Do I need to cut and paste parts of this link for him? Or the rest of you buying into his ignorant claims? Conspiracy theories are a dime a dozen. These are not even very good.

 

[xotoxi]

Here is a picture of a turbine found at the crash site. This is a Rolls-Royce turbine used in a Boeing 757.

This is how it fits into the engine

And here is more evidence of photos from the turbine

Aerospaceweb.org | Ask Us - Pentagon & Boeing 757 Engine Investigation

Silly man!

Clearly, that engine part was placed there.

Was it ever dusted for finger prints? NO. Because the rogue element wouldn't allow it!

And all of the other pictures that you posted previously with all the people "helping" at the "crash" site...at least one (if not more) of them was a member of the rogue element and they were there hindering the investigation. But you can't ask them, as they have all disappeared.

Senor Bushie at work yet again.

You are so silly and gullible, that I bet you think the world is round because "they" told you.

I have proof that it is flat:

Does that look round to you?

And you can also see that Greenland is nearly twice the size of the United States. All the more room for the Danish government to store their deadly nuclear weapons.

We have been focused all these years on the middle east...but they are just a decoy created by the evil Danish...and the Danes are planning on taking over the World!

 

[eots]

Eots is probably legally insane though. He even admits to be that kind of guy that calls up the Whitehouse and the CIA to tell them about his conspiracy theories. Hes not your run of the mill conspiracy theorist.

While maybe we should feel a bit sorry for his sanity issues, his cut and paste jobs do get annoying. I had to stop reading his posts a long time ago because he only has like 10 of them that he constantly recycles, and all of them are stupid. Ill read the ones that arent cut and paste jobs, but those are very rare.

you need to deal with reality ..you pathetic little minion ..and accept the fact that my.. cut and paste ...you call it are the sworn statements of some very high level and knowledgeable individuals decorated and honored for their service to this country and have more than proven their ability and soundness of both mind and character and if you cant recognize that fact ..you can go fuck yourself

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

yet few of them actually support what YOU claim they do
they MIGHT want a new investigation, but they DONT believe it was an inside job
you just use their words and twist it
if they ever actually said those words

stop liying to yourself







Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD

Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech). Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. 22-year Air Force career. Also taught Mathematics and English at the University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and Phillips University.
Member: Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth Association Statement:

"Scholars and professionals with various kinds of expertise---including architects, engineers, firefighters, intelligence officers, lawyers, medical professionals, military officers, philosophers, religious leaders, physical scientists, and pilots---have spoken out about radical discrepancies between the official account of the 9/11 attacks and what they, as independent researchers, have learned.

They have established beyond any reasonable doubt that the official account of 9/11 is false and that, therefore, the official “investigations” have really been cover-up operations.

Thus far, however, there has been no response from political leaders in Washington or, for that matter, in other capitals around the world. Our organization, Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth, has been formed to help bring about such a response.

We believe that the truth about 9/11 needs to be exposed now---not in 50 years as a footnote in the history books---so the policies that have been based on the Bush-Cheney administration’s interpretation of the 9/11 attacks can be changed.

We are, therefore, calling for a new, independent investigation of 9/11 that takes account of evidence that has been documented by independent researchers but thus far ignored by governments and the mainstream media."


Video 9/11/04: "A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. … Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible.…

Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney.

I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive cover-up, the very kindest thing we can say is that they were aware of impending attacks and let them happen. Now some people will say that’s much too kind, however even that is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder." http://video.go





Larry L. Erickson, BS Aeronautical Eng, MS Aeronautical Eng, PhD Eng Mechanics – Retired NASA Aerospace Engineer and Research Scientist. Conducted research in the fields of structural dynamics, aerodynamics, aeroelasticity and flutter. Recipient of NASA's Aerodynamics Division Researcher-of-the-Year Award. 33-year NASA career. Member, American Institute of Aeronautics & Astronautics. Instructor, Physics and Aerospace Engineering, California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo 1998 - present. Author and co-author of several scientific papers on aerodynamic analysis. Contributing author to Applied Computational Aerodynamics (1990).
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
"Serious technical investigations by experts seem to be lacking from the official explanations." AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 600 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition


Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.


Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."


Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. Latas, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, Barbara Honegger, April Gallop, Colonel Bunel, and Steve DeChiaro.


Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"The government conspiracy theory does not hold up to scrutiny. As a professional with over 30 years experience working with gas turbines (jet engines) and fuels - kerosene (jet fuel) does not burn in any open flame hot enough to effect steel - well under 1000 deg F. Also bogus are the explanations regarding why no planes were intercepted. SOP [Standard Operating Procedure] is they are always, always intercepted if they stray off course and/or turn off the transponder like these flights all did. No command decision needed. Has our government ever been untruthful to us?" AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 600 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition


Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.


Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

 

[xotoxi]

stop liying to yourself







Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD

Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech). Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. 22-year Air Force career. Also taught Mathematics and English at the University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and Phillips University.
Member: Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth Association Statement:

"Scholars and professionals with various kinds of expertise---including architects, engineers, firefighters, intelligence officers, lawyers, medical professionals, military officers, philosophers, religious leaders, physical scientists, and pilots---have spoken out about radical discrepancies between the official account of the 9/11 attacks and what they, as independent researchers, have learned.

They have established beyond any reasonable doubt that the official account of 9/11 is false and that, therefore, the official “investigations” have really been cover-up operations.

Thus far, however, there has been no response from political leaders in Washington or, for that matter, in other capitals around the world. Our organization, Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth, has been formed to help bring about such a response.

We believe that the truth about 9/11 needs to be exposed now---not in 50 years as a footnote in the history books---so the policies that have been based on the Bush-Cheney administration’s interpretation of the 9/11 attacks can be changed.

We are, therefore, calling for a new, independent investigation of 9/11 that takes account of evidence that has been documented by independent researchers but thus far ignored by governments and the mainstream media."


Video 9/11/04: "A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. … Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible.…

Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney.

I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive cover-up, the very kindest thing we can say is that they were aware of impending attacks and let them happen. Now some people will say that’s much too kind, however even that is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder." http://video.go





Larry L. Erickson, BS Aeronautical Eng, MS Aeronautical Eng, PhD Eng Mechanics – Retired NASA Aerospace Engineer and Research Scientist. Conducted research in the fields of structural dynamics, aerodynamics, aeroelasticity and flutter. Recipient of NASA's Aerodynamics Division Researcher-of-the-Year Award. 33-year NASA career. Member, American Institute of Aeronautics & Astronautics. Instructor, Physics and Aerospace Engineering, California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo 1998 - present. Author and co-author of several scientific papers on aerodynamic analysis. Contributing author to Applied Computational Aerodynamics (1990).
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
"Serious technical investigations by experts seem to be lacking from the official explanations." AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 600 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition


Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.


Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."


Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. Latas, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, Barbara Honegger, April Gallop, Colonel Bunel, and Steve DeChiaro.


Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"The government conspiracy theory does not hold up to scrutiny. As a professional with over 30 years experience working with gas turbines (jet engines) and fuels - kerosene (jet fuel) does not burn in any open flame hot enough to effect steel - well under 1000 deg F. Also bogus are the explanations regarding why no planes were intercepted. SOP [Standard Operating Procedure] is they are always, always intercepted if they stray off course and/or turn off the transponder like these flights all did. No command decision needed. Has our government ever been untruthful to us?" AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 600 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition


Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.


Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

Do you prefer to use Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V, or are you a fan of the right mouse button?

 

[DiveCon]

Hi 9/11 Inside Job:

Hey Terral,I just tried to watch that Michael kelly video the second one and its not working.They deleted it.thats what youtube always does with these 9/11 videos.Go figure,they allow you to post videos of porn there but they delete 9/11 videos all the time. what a free country this is huh?

Thanks for letting me know about the bad link. Other Boards (like Let’s Roll) allow us to fix this kind of thing years later, but this place removes the Edit option. Bummer. A new Michael Kelly video link is here

Michael Kelly Pentagon Witness >> [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYpy4chsyVM]YouTube - Pentagon Witness, Michael Kelly, CBS, 9/11, 09:58[/ame]

The funny thing is that the Michael Kelly Video in my Let's Roll Opening Post (link) is still working. :0)

BTW, Loyal Bushie Official Story DUPES <<--

Thanks again,

Terral

that video doesnt prove shit
what do you actually think it means?
some guy, that didnt actually SEE the plane but HEARD it and i bet he couldnt tell the difference between a cesna and a 757

 

[DiveCon]

stop liying to yourself







Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD

Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) &#8211; Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech). Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. 22-year Air Force career. Also taught Mathematics and English at the University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and Phillips University.
Member: Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth Association Statement:

"Scholars and professionals with various kinds of expertise---including architects, engineers, firefighters, intelligence officers, lawyers, medical professionals, military officers, philosophers, religious leaders, physical scientists, and pilots---have spoken out about radical discrepancies between the official account of the 9/11 attacks and what they, as independent researchers, have learned.

They have established beyond any reasonable doubt that the official account of 9/11 is false and that, therefore, the official &#8220;investigations&#8221; have really been cover-up operations.

Thus far, however, there has been no response from political leaders in Washington or, for that matter, in other capitals around the world. Our organization, Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth, has been formed to help bring about such a response.

We believe that the truth about 9/11 needs to be exposed now---not in 50 years as a footnote in the history books---so the policies that have been based on the Bush-Cheney administration&#8217;s interpretation of the 9/11 attacks can be changed.

We are, therefore, calling for a new, independent investigation of 9/11 that takes account of evidence that has been documented by independent researchers but thus far ignored by governments and the mainstream media."


Video 9/11/04: "A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It&#8217;s impossible. &#8230; There&#8217;s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. &#8230; Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don&#8217;t want us to know what happened and who&#8217;s responsible.&#8230;

Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it&#8217;s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney.

I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive cover-up, the very kindest thing we can say is that they were aware of impending attacks and let them happen. Now some people will say that&#8217;s much too kind, however even that is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder." http://video.go





Larry L. Erickson, BS Aeronautical Eng, MS Aeronautical Eng, PhD Eng Mechanics &#8211; Retired NASA Aerospace Engineer and Research Scientist. Conducted research in the fields of structural dynamics, aerodynamics, aeroelasticity and flutter. Recipient of NASA's Aerodynamics Division Researcher-of-the-Year Award. 33-year NASA career. Member, American Institute of Aeronautics & Astronautics. Instructor, Physics and Aerospace Engineering, California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo 1998 - present. Author and co-author of several scientific papers on aerodynamic analysis. Contributing author to Applied Computational Aerodynamics (1990).
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
"Serious technical investigations by experts seem to be lacking from the official explanations." AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 600 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition


Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.


Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army &#8211; Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."


Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. Latas, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, Barbara Honegger, April Gallop, Colonel Bunel, and Steve DeChiaro.


Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"The government conspiracy theory does not hold up to scrutiny. As a professional with over 30 years experience working with gas turbines (jet engines) and fuels - kerosene (jet fuel) does not burn in any open flame hot enough to effect steel - well under 1000 deg F. Also bogus are the explanations regarding why no planes were intercepted. SOP [Standard Operating Procedure] is they are always, always intercepted if they stray off course and/or turn off the transponder like these flights all did. No command decision needed. Has our government ever been untruthful to us?" AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 600 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition


Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.


Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

Do you prefer to use Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V, or are you a fan of the right mouse button?

he just does the same thing over and over
he's the C&P king of the troofers

 

[eots]

stop liying to yourself







Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD

Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) &#8211; Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech). Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. 22-year Air Force career. Also taught Mathematics and English at the University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and Phillips University.
Member: Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth Association Statement:

"Scholars and professionals with various kinds of expertise---including architects, engineers, firefighters, intelligence officers, lawyers, medical professionals, military officers, philosophers, religious leaders, physical scientists, and pilots---have spoken out about radical discrepancies between the official account of the 9/11 attacks and what they, as independent researchers, have learned.

They have established beyond any reasonable doubt that the official account of 9/11 is false and that, therefore, the official &#8220;investigations&#8221; have really been cover-up operations.

Thus far, however, there has been no response from political leaders in Washington or, for that matter, in other capitals around the world. Our organization, Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth, has been formed to help bring about such a response.

We believe that the truth about 9/11 needs to be exposed now---not in 50 years as a footnote in the history books---so the policies that have been based on the Bush-Cheney administration&#8217;s interpretation of the 9/11 attacks can be changed.

We are, therefore, calling for a new, independent investigation of 9/11 that takes account of evidence that has been documented by independent researchers but thus far ignored by governments and the mainstream media."


Video 9/11/04: "A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It&#8217;s impossible. &#8230; There&#8217;s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. &#8230; Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don&#8217;t want us to know what happened and who&#8217;s responsible.&#8230;

Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it&#8217;s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney.

I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive cover-up, the very kindest thing we can say is that they were aware of impending attacks and let them happen. Now some people will say that&#8217;s much too kind, however even that is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder." http://video.go





Larry L. Erickson, BS Aeronautical Eng, MS Aeronautical Eng, PhD Eng Mechanics &#8211; Retired NASA Aerospace Engineer and Research Scientist. Conducted research in the fields of structural dynamics, aerodynamics, aeroelasticity and flutter. Recipient of NASA's Aerodynamics Division Researcher-of-the-Year Award. 33-year NASA career. Member, American Institute of Aeronautics & Astronautics. Instructor, Physics and Aerospace Engineering, California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo 1998 - present. Author and co-author of several scientific papers on aerodynamic analysis. Contributing author to Applied Computational Aerodynamics (1990).
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
"Serious technical investigations by experts seem to be lacking from the official explanations." AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 600 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition


Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.


Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army &#8211; Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."


Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. Latas, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, Barbara Honegger, April Gallop, Colonel Bunel, and Steve DeChiaro.


Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"The government conspiracy theory does not hold up to scrutiny. As a professional with over 30 years experience working with gas turbines (jet engines) and fuels - kerosene (jet fuel) does not burn in any open flame hot enough to effect steel - well under 1000 deg F. Also bogus are the explanations regarding why no planes were intercepted. SOP [Standard Operating Procedure] is they are always, always intercepted if they stray off course and/or turn off the transponder like these flights all did. No command decision needed. Has our government ever been untruthful to us?" AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 600 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition


Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.


Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

Do you prefer to use Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V, or are you a fan of the right mouse button?

he just does the same thing over and over
he's the C&P king of the troofers

translation .....I can not admit ...my statement that the opinion it was an inside job is not held and stated by these patriots is false...so i will just avoid it and repeat my stupid king of c@ statement like it means something.....

 

[DiveCon]

Do you prefer to use Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V, or are you a fan of the right mouse button?

he just does the same thing over and over
he's the C&P king of the troofers

translation .....I can not admit ...my statement that the opinion it was an inside job is not held and stated by these patriots is false...so i will just avoid it and repeat my stupid king of c@ statement like it means something.....

yet none of those quote claim it was an inside job
you lose once again, moron

 

[Terral]

Hi Toro:

Here, again, is the picture of the letter "c" from the body of the plane, as you can see at the bottom left corner of the Pentagon building.

Here again nothing. The DoD painted-up A-3 Jet was made to look like a real Boeing Jetliner with the &#8216;c&#8217; included (some of you guys are very dense indeed). You are trying to say that a real 100-ton Jetliner (like this) crashed into this standing E-ring wall!!

Okay hotshot, so start explaining! :0) The 911Truth is that the Retrofitted DoD Jet went BOOM against the E-ring wall at 9:36:27 AM (lower pic) to leave this debris scattered EVERYWHERE, which has NOTHING to do with any real 100-ton Jetliner crashing anywhere near the Pentagon. You have been DUPED by Senor Bushie, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and the Inside-job Bad Guys . . . :0)

It is the same stylized font as shown on an American Airlines plane.

Of course the Inside-job Bad Guys painted up &#8216;their&#8217; Retrofitted DoD BOMB using AA lettering, because they wanted you to think a real Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon. And look! Their scam worked on DUPES like you. :0)

It is also the same font as shown on the fuselage from your own picture, picture #5.

And Toro is saying that a real 100-ton Jetliner crashed into this E-ring wall . . .

. . . because the Bad Guys used AA Fonts on their painted-up replica . . . DUPES <<--

This is well known lettering used by American Airlines.

Okay Toro, so where did your 100-ton Jetliner do one of these numbers (pic) into this standing E-ring wall? This picture was taken between 9:36:27 AM and 10:15:16 AM when the E-ring roof finally collapsed, but there is no entry hole capable of containing any 100-ton Jetliner!

Actually, you presented the argument. I am merely refuting it. When I wish to start a thread on how an airline hit the Pentagon, I will do so.

No. All you are doing is proving that the Retrofitted DoD Jet had American Airlines lettering included to trick DUPES like you. You cannot prove that a real 100-ton Jetliner crashed into the Pentagon, because you are missing 100-tons of evidence. :0)

That is very interesting. I looked at that and thought it was, indeed, odd. But I also checked all four flights on 9/11. The two that showed the 0:00 were both American Airlines, one departing DC and the other departing Boston. The other two flights were both United Airlines, one which took off from Boston and the other from Newark, which you can see here.

Who cares? AA11 and AA77 were canceled on 9/11, which anyone can plainly see if they simply look these things up for themselves. This is the AA77 Pentagon Debate. Right? Okay then. The Departure Statistics (pic) show AA77 was canceled. Period.

So, if we go by your logic, then not only did flight 77 not take off, but neither did flight 11, which means that an airliner did not crash into one of the WTC towers.

No. Your logic has much to be desired. AA77 &#8216;and&#8217; AA11 were CANCELED!!!!! This aspect of &#8216;the&#8217; 911Truth has nothing to do with LOGIC. We simply look up the departure data for AA11 like any other flight and examine the evidence for ourselves. This is really very simple:

1. Go to the Bureau Of Transportation Statistics = link.

2. Click on the &#8220;Departures&#8221; button = link.

3. Fill in the data on AA11:

A. Select &#8220;All Statistics.&#8221;
B. Select &#8220;Boston, MA &#8211;Logan International (BOS).&#8221;
C. Month (s) = &#8220;Sep.&#8221;
D. Day (s) = &#8220;11.&#8221;
E. Year (s) = &#8220;2001.&#8221;
F. Click &#8220;Submit.&#8221;

Right at the very top of the page you see:

-------------------------------
Carrier Code = AA
Date (MM/DD/YYYY) = 09/11/2001
Flight Number = 0011
Tail Number = UNKNOWN
Destination Airport = LAX
Scheduled Departure Time =07:45
Actual Departure Time = 00:00
Scheduled Elapsed Time = 0374
Actual Elapsed Time = 0000
Departure Delay = 0
Wheels-off Time = 00:00
Taxi-out Time = 0000
-----------------------

There is NO &#8220;Tail Number,&#8221; because AA11 never took off on 9/11. The &#8220;Actual Departure Time&#8221; is &#8220;00:00,&#8221; because AA11 never took off on 9/11. These fields include &#8220;0000&#8221; (zeros), because? :0) Too damn simple . . .

Yet, we know that it did. We saw flight 11 crash into one of the towers (unless you are going to trot out some silly hologram theory).

No. We &#8216;can see&#8217; that AA11 NEVER TOOK OFF ON 9/11 by the Bureau Of Transportation Statistics (BOTS) Information freely available to EVERYONE. Yes. Something did take the Twin Towers down on 9/11, but that had NOTHING to do with AA11. :0)

It also makes little sense that United 175 would strike one tower, which we also saw, but AA flight 11 did not, since, according to your logic, could not possibly have hit the tower because there was no flight record of AA 11 departing!

Listen here, el Toro: The BOTS says AA77 and AA11 were CANCELED no matter how many Senor Bushies LIES you want to swallow including hook, line, sinker and fishing pole and Inside-job fisherman and his entire boat to boot! I proved to you using BOTS statistics that AA77 never even took off &#8216;and&#8217; you are trying to prove a real 100-ton Jetliner crashed into the Pentagon over a painted &#8220;c.&#8221; :0)

Thus, something else that looked a lot like AA 11 hit the tower.

Now you are catching on. :0)

Your argument is interesting, and I may research it further. However, the consistency is that the flights not logged were both were American Airlines. That may tell you something more about American Airlines then anything else.

No. That says something about the Official Bush Administration/DoD/FBI/CIA/NSA COVER STORY that has no basis in reality whatsoever. These people DUPED you into believing a real 100-ton Jetliner crashed into this empty hole (pic) and into this standing E-ring wall (pic), using nothing more than smoke up your deluded behind and mirrors in front of your deluded face. Then you eat that crap up like this.

Actually, we do know that people boarded the flight. [snip stupidity]

You &#8216;know&#8217; no such thing! Since AA11 and AA77 DID NOT even leave the runway, then your Official Cover Story LIE also has nothing to do with what really happened on 9/11. The Opening Post tells you what happened at the Pentagon, but you choose to believe Loyal Bushie LIES anyway . . .

. . . And, as I've said but you have not answered, where are all the people that were supposedly on those non-flights? They were all booked. What happened to them? There were over a hundred people on those two flights you alleged never took off. Where are they?

Your job is to offer up rebuttals and counterproposals against my OP explanations from whatever el Toro considers to be &#8216;credible evidence&#8217; to support &#8216;your&#8217; case. You are saying &#8220;They were all booked,&#8221; when the BOTS says AA11 and AA77 were canceled.

Here are victims who were on American Airlines flight 11 which you said didn't take off.

Stop with the &#8216;you say&#8217; nonsense, as if the BOTS say that AA11 and AA77 took off! The Inside-job bad guys murdered many innocent Americans before, during and after these related 9/11 attacks were carried out &#8216;and&#8217; the victims were assigned seats on these &#8216;canceled&#8217; flights, because DUPES like you will believe just about anything. Then, when someone who &#8216;knows&#8217; the 911Truth comes along and shows you what really happened using &#8216;the evidence&#8217;,&#8217; then you continue to believe Loyal Bushie Fantasies anyway! BTW, that continues to be &#8216;your problem&#8217; and not mine . . .

And here are victims who were on American Airlines flight 77 which you also claim didn't take off.

A mere &#8216;claim&#8217; is an assertion I make WITHOUT using real verifiable and credible EVIDENCE. If you people will not believe the Bureau Of Transportation Statistics, and the Departure Data provided for every cotton-picking flight, then you will not believe a 911Truther like me and you are MUCH too far from the 911Truth Boat to receive any lifeline from anybody. Just roll back over and go back to sleep, as if you ever intended to wake-the-hell-up anyway . . . Loyal Bushie DUPES <<--

What happened to them?

Bush and Rove and Cheney and Rumsfeld and Ashcroft and Raytheon and Blackstone and Peter Peterson (NYC Federal Reserve = story) and Larry Silverstein and Mayor Giuliani and the Justice Department (my WTC-7 thread) and all of their Inside-job cohorts murdered them in cold blood. Hey el Toro, guess who is next? :0)

Wouldn't it make more sense that there was a SNAFU in the log regarding American Airlines than over 100 people mysteriously disappearing?

No! Airport officials are responsible for recording the data for all departures of all commercial flights &#8216;and&#8217; the AA11 and AA77 tail numbers do NOT appear in the Departure Statistics, &#8216;because&#8217; they never made the trip down the runway. Period! The SNAFU is with the Official Cover Story that you want to believe even when the evidence is looking you directly in the face!

Here is the deal facing all Loyal Bushie DUPES: The same people who planned and carried out these Inside-job 9/11 attacks are also orchestrating the current U.S./Global Economic Implosion &#8216;and&#8217; there is still time (today) to backtrack and bring the &#8216;real&#8217; Inside-job Bad Guys to justice. However, your refusal to go back in time to get 9/11 right shall be the cause of your own destruction by these same bad guys telling Loyal Bushie and now Loyal Obama LIES on the television every cotton-picking day.

You are little frogs and tadpoles sitting in warming water that is coming to a hearty BOIL and the Loyal Bushie DUPES are the ones with the biggest smiles on their deluded faces in anticipation of your own utter destruction.

All a real 911Truther can do is lead the horses to water, but the majority of you will continue to be bullheaded and stubborn no matter how many times I show you &#8216;the&#8217; 911Truth. Right? Of course. Why? That is easy: Because utter destruction is precisely what you deserve and Senor Bushie and his cohorts know it.

GL with that too,

Terral

 

[RetiredGySgt]

So, since a wife of a Cabinet Member was abord the DC plane, I guess that means they murdered her and convinced her Husband to LIE about her boarding the plane, calling him while on the flight? Right?

Since no plane crashed in Pennsylvania that means the people that called home and described what was happening including TAPED calls, were all faked, the bad guys murdered them and then convinced their families to fabricate tapes and calls from them?

Is that your story?

Gets dumber and dumber the more we question you,

Also explain how the wing you claim was removed from the lawn was actually a tent being carried ON to the lawn. I mean just check out the photo and explain how these guys have almost no weight on them if they are packing away a heavy ass Airplane wing?

JS: Yeah

KS: "There's a lot you can tell about the shape of that wing even though it is underneath that blue tarp. That wing is a configuration of an A3, not a 757."

Then included with the transcript under Karl's last quote was the same photo of the guys carrying the blue object as you see below (without labels). Mine is labeled for the following photo analysis I did on the mysterious blue tarp. Keep in mind Karl is saying it was an A3 wing by its "configuration".



PHOTO 1

1) Notice that there is no significant weight on their arms.
2) Look carefully inside to see that it is hollow.
3) They are inside the guardrail carrying it towards the pentagon grass.
4) There are only two trees on the Washington Blvd. side of the pentagon grounds. You can see one of them in the background which helps locate this shot.
5) The grass, lamp pole, guardrail and the concrete divider also provide clues to locating this shot (see photo 3).
6) Note the gray tarp being carried in the background.



PHOTO 2

1) The tents have white tops as in photo 1.
2) The floors are gray tarps like the one being carried in photo 1.
3) The tents consist of a white layer and a blue layer as in photo 1.



PHOTO 3

1) See that the grass, tree, lamp pole, guardrail and the concrete divider are in the exact positions they would be in photo 1.
2) See that other tents are being used on the grounds.
3) The tent right next to the guardrail may be the one they are placing in photo 1.



PHOTO 4

1) This is probably the tent assembled on the highway before being carried over the guardrail and placed on the lawn.
I believe what has been portrayed to be a mystery object being removed from the pentagon is actually a service tent being carried into the pentagon grounds after being assembled on the highway. Certainly not an A3 wing as Karl suggests.

Then explain why the engine you claim was on the A-3 was actually never on it at all and is not even the type that is claimed...

The following quote from Aerospaceweb.org addresses this very question (be advised they believe 9/11 conspiracies are false but in my mind that makes their debunking of this specifically on the jet engine facts even more valuable). "For some reason, many of the conspiratorial sites we have come across instead make extensive reference to the A-3 being powered by a Pratt & Whitney JT8D engine. Moreover, these same sites claim that the JT8D is a turbojet. The JT8D is actually a turbofan that was developed for use aboard commercial aircraft like the 727 and 737. We have not found any source that indicates the JT8D was ever used on the A-3 Skywarrior, so it is unclear why the originators of the A-3 theory are so infatuated with this particular powerplant. Nevertheless, we will include it in our investigation for completeness." The full article I would qualify as a MUST READ (7).

Explain why the wheel YOU claim is from the A-3 looks exactly like the wheel off the passenger liner that was said to have hit the Pentagon and nothing like the A-3 wheel at all.

Karl says, "Another component was found at the Pentagon in the form of a wheel hub. It did not take much to confirm that the particular wheel shown below is the type made by B.F. Goodrich in their aerospace division. They also made the wheels for the 757 but a simple proportional check of width versus diameter will easily show that the below photo is not of a wheel hub from a 757, which has a much larger radius than width. This radius being about the same as the width of the wheel hub is also another clue that the 757 story is a Bush Lie."




This photo was taken in the A-E drive of the pentagon by a photographer who wishes to remain anonymous on 9/12/01. It first went public in a Rense.com article on 12/4/02 (8). (Caption is my addition)

Karl then says, "In fact, if one looks very closely at the diameter versus width of the tire that was found at the Pentagon, this is the type of tire used for carrier based and general rear wheels of smaller military planes, not commercial airliners. This is the type of wheel hub one would expect to find as one of the two rear wheels on an A-3 refitted with current equipment rather than equipment that is no longer being manufactured."

He has guessed at proportional widths and diameter etc., even suggesting it is a "Bush lie". I am sorry but from Bush's flying records I am guessing that he didn't come up with the A3 wheel swap idea or the mathematics related to it. The rim in the photo above does match perfectly those used on the 757 (8 slot variation). The key thing here is that Karl suggests a "refitted" wheel assembly. The following photo is an A3 rim and tire. All photos I have viewed of A3's have this same configuration.


For the sake of brevity I will spare you the technical details of what a swap from this to the wheel rim Karl uses as an example would require. Suffice to say that the attachments, struts, hydraulics, and braking systems are all integrated. It is not like changing from stock wheels to mags on your muscle car.

Inquiring minds want to know.

The JT8D and A3 Skywarrior Pentagon Theory

Well you will have to actually go to the site at the bottom here to see the pictures.

 

[Terral]

Hi Toro and Retired (answer to Post #81):

Here is a picture of a turbine found at the crash site. This is a Rolls-Royce turbine used in a Boeing 757.

No. Before you can start hauling out Boeing 757 parts, then you must explain how a real 100-ton Jetliner crashed through this standing E-ring wall!

You have one 18-feet 3-inch entry hole on the second floor &#8216;and&#8217; a solid line of unbroken windows on the third floor (damage schematic), but &#8216;your&#8217; 100-ton Jetliner is almost 50 feet tall!!! Now you want to prove that a real 100-ton Jetliner passed through this standing E-ring wall by pulling out one itsy bitsy little piece that &#8216;you say&#8217; belongs to a real 100-ton Jetliner, when all of these Military Experts say no Boeing parts were ever found at the Pentagon.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKhBzAh_eeA]YouTube - Boeing Hijackers on the Pentagon lawn[/ame]

This is how it fits into the engine.

No. This is how Pratt & Whitney Military Jet parts are used by DUPES to say a real 100-ton Jetliner crashed through this standing E-ring wall!

And here is more evidence of photos from the turbine.

Turbine? :0) You are joking right? Toro is saying that a turbine crashed through the Pentagon wall . . . BTW, what happened to the remainder of the 100-ton Jetliner? :0) The fact that no 100-ton Jetliner crashed through the Pentagon is very easy to determine. What some help? Yes? Okay then: The Official Story says a Boeing 757-200 Jetliner crashed into the Pentagon from the southwest going 530 Miles Per Hour! The distance from the outer E-ring wall to the inner C-ring wall is only 220 feet!

When you allow for a 45-degree trajectory, the distance traveled is 330 feet, which means your 100-ton Jetliner had just .39 seconds to exit the rear C-ring wall. That is just about one-third of a second! Snap your fingers and that is one-third of a second if you snap very quickly . . . Okay, so let&#8217;s take a look at the evidence on full display at the C-ring wall location:

The rear C-ring wall is on the left in Picture# 1 and directly in front of us in Picture #2. So where are the exit holes for &#8216;two&#8217; Rolls-Royce engines weighing in at 6 tons each??!! :0)

Where did your 100-ton Jetliner exit the rear C-ring wall in just .39 seconds after hitting the still-standing E-ring wall?

Oh, I forgot, el Toro has the picture of a Pratt & Whitney turbine . . .

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2THs3oNooM]YouTube - Laugh Out Loud[/ame]

You guys crack a real 911Truther up . . .

GL,

Terral

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I notice you skipped my post on why you are full of shit. Par for the course.

 

[Terral]

Hi Retired with Toro mentioned:

I notice you skipped my post on why you are full of shit. Par for the course.

You are making the same silly argument as el Toro using a few Pratt & Whitney Military Jet parts, which means Post #91 is also addressed to you. A few little parts DO NOT make a 100-ton Jetliner (schematic) and neither of you can show us how a real 100-ton Jetliner crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11 or any other day.

9/11 CNN - Jamie McIntyre - No Plane At The Pentagon Video by BarbaricFellow - MySpace Video

If you really believe that your little pile of parts in Post #81 proved anything (LOL), then congratulations!

You can check back later, because their hands never get tired . . . El Toro&#8217;s post came first (Post #80) and you are addressing &#8216;him&#8217; and not me anyway. My job is to address the post from ANYONE that &#8216;I feel&#8217; makes a case against &#8216;my OP explanation,&#8217; which does not include addressing the boatload of Chat-Monkey nonsense being posted on this thread.

You guys are missing 100-tons of Jetliner and you choose to base &#8216;your&#8217; conclusions and little itsy bitsy pieces of evidence . . .

Loyal Bushie DUPES <<--

GL,

Terral

 

[RetiredGySgt]

In other words ignore the facts and keep making ignorant claims, got ya and how you operate. The aircraft was mostly turned into small pieces by a HIGH IMPACT against a reinforced wall. Already demonstrated for you by Toro's post previously.

Do prattle on we all enjoy a good belly laugh at the expense of insane morons.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

In other words ignore the facts and keep making ignorant claims, got ya and how you operate.

Do prattle on we all enjoy a good belly laugh at the expense of insane morons.

yeah we know thats what you 9/11 apologists always do,ignore facts and keep making ignorant claims,No need to inform us of that.Also no need to inform us that your a moron either,we knew that a long time ago.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

yep.
he's the C&P king of the troofers.

i bet he has posted the exact same piece at least 100 times, if not more.

I find it absolutely amazing that there can be some people when presented with a mountain of evidence and facts, and feels that they can dismiss it all because of one little tiny thing that they notice that seems off.

And, in actuality, the folks on here are not the ones that noticed those little tiny things, but rather people that have been brainwashed into believing these wild stories.

Eots is probably legally insane though. He even admits to be that kind of guy that calls up the Whitehouse and the CIA to tell them about his conspiracy theories. Hes not your run of the mill conspiracy theorist.

While maybe we should feel a bit sorry for his sanity issues, his cut and paste jobs do get annoying. I had to stop reading his posts a long time ago because he only has like 10 of them that he constantly recycles, and all of them are stupid. Ill read the ones that arent cut and paste jobs, but those are very rare.

Like the mountains of evidence and facts that you two frady cats ignored and never addressed when I posted those 47 canada wants the truth videos for you to comment on countless numbers of times and you both never addressed? you both never addressed or talked about those videos despite the fact I posted them for you countless numbers of times cause you both knew you couldnt counter them and that the evidence is overwhelming so you ignored them conviently. The only ones that have been brainwashed into accepting wild stories are you 9/11 apologists accepting the fairy tale of the 9/11 commission report and their wild conspiracy theory.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) &#8211; Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force career. Member adjunct faculty, Political Science Department, James Madison University. Instructor, University of Maryland University College and American Public University System. Author of African Crisis Response Initiative: Past Present and Future (2000) and Expeditionary Air Operations in Africa: Challenges and Solutions (2001).
Contributor to 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out 8/23/06: Account of Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, Pentagon employee and eyewitness to the events at the Pentagon on 9/11. "I believe the Commission failed to deeply examine the topic at hand, failed to apply scientific rigor to its assessment of events leading up to and including 9/11, failed to produce a believable and unbiased summary of what happened, failed to fully examine why it happened, and even failed to include a set of unanswered questions for future research. ...

It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics. ...

There was a dearth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked [Pentagon] lawn, where I stood only minutes after the impact. Beyond this strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage to the Pentagon structure one would expect from the impact of a large airliner. This visible evidence or lack thereof may also have been apparent to the secretary of defense [Donald Rumsfeld], who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue referred to the aircraft that slammed into the Pentagon as a "missile". ...

I saw nothing of significance at the point of impact - no airplane metal or cargo debris was blowing on the lawn in front of the damaged building as smoke billowed from within the Pentagon. ... all of us staring at the Pentagon that morning were indeed looking for such debris, but what we expected to see was not evident.

The same is true with regard to the kind of damage we expected. ... But I did not see this kind of damage. Rather, the facade had a rather small hole, no larger than 20 feet in diameter. Although this facade later collapsed, it remained standing for 30 or 40 minutes, with the roof line remaining relatively straight.

The scene, in short, was not what I would have expected from a strike by a large jetliner. It was, however, exactly what one would expect if a missile had struck the Pentagon. ...

More information is certainly needed regarding the events of 9/11 and the events leading up to that terrible day."


Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Latas, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, Capt. Davis, Barbara Honegger, April Gallop, Colonel Bunel, and Steve DeChiaro.


Member: Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven Association Statement: "We have found solid scientific grounds on which to question the interpretation put upon the events of September 11, 2001 by the Office of the President of the United States of America and subsequently propagated by the major media of western nations."


Bio: http://militaryweek.com/ Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

So you disagree with the threads premise that a jet fired a missile missed the building flew around and then slammed later into the building? I mean since your "witness" points out that with in moments the lawn was filled with people and the op insists the plane had time to over fly turn and fly back.

Ohh and the hole was not 20 feet either.

no ...my premise unlike yours is a logical one... there needs to be a investigation unlike the 911 cover up commission that examines eyewitness testimony and allows for the examination of the forensic evidence and the release of the 84 surveillance tapes still classified..is that really to much to ask...

You took him to school "like you always do" with that post there posting what Lt Col Karen Kwiatkowski said big time. Also did you notice how Godboy turned with his tail betweeen his legs and ran off when you posed him that question?Obviously he had no answer and couldnt admit it.LOl. yeah that last paragrah you posted is what I have been asking all along and given no answer on and which they ignored from you as well cause they know it proves it was an inside job.which is WHY the most heavily guarded airspace in the world,with all those cameras on the building,they wont let us see the release of the 84 surveillance tapes still classified? why so secret and not show the film if its an airliner like they want to believe?:lol I love their logic.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

thats why you should be demanding a new independent investigation instead of believeing in propaganda by the government.You should be asking those bastards in washington those questions who orchestrated it all,not him.sheesh. while your in a question asking mode,where the hell is the evidence of the airliner coming in,where are the pics of it?the pentagan has hundreds of cameras in the area,are you so dense that you dont know its the most heavily guarded airspace network in the world? how come they have yet to release all the photographs of the airliner coming in with all those cameras there,why are they hiding evidence from us by having the FBI come out there and confiscate film from gas stations and grocery stores and not letting us see the footage? where are all the bodies from the passenger flight,wheres the luggage? why all the secrecy of hiding something that flew into the pentagon by bringing something out that day with several men carrying it and dumping it onto a truck but covering it up with a huge blue blanket so we could not see what it was they were loading? If its only a jet engine,why hide it like that? why not release all the photographs taken that day by the pentagon of the airliner coming in,why cover it up? why is it the ONLY footage they will supply us with of the ALLEGED airliner hitting the pentagon is two frames of some mysterious orange explosion when with all those cameras,they easily could have picked it up flying into them? why not release those photos? whats to hide? Oh and why did Norman Minetta testify saying that a young man came into the bunker saying to Dick Cheney -Its 10 miles out,do those orders still stand sir? and Cheney replied-Of course those orders still stand,have you heard anything to the contrary? and you call HIM a dumbass? I love it.

Like you said,Eots,you asked that question of how come the Pentagan refuses to release the 84 surveillance videos that took film of the airliner coming in,they ignored it like they always do,just like they ignored and never addressed THIS post of mine .Thats what I been asking all this time on this thread as well with no reply to it either.Funny how they always claim WE ignore facts but they never bother to address are points and questions we bring up and have to resort to just showing pics of ALLEGED aircraft parts instead of answering the questions huh?

 

[DiveCon]

thats why you should be demanding a new independent investigation instead of believeing in propaganda by the government.You should be asking those bastards in washington those questions who orchestrated it all,not him.sheesh. while your in a question asking mode,where the hell is the evidence of the airliner coming in,where are the pics of it?the pentagan has hundreds of cameras in the area,are you so dense that you dont know its the most heavily guarded airspace network in the world? how come they have yet to release all the photographs of the airliner coming in with all those cameras there,why are they hiding evidence from us by having the FBI come out there and confiscate film from gas stations and grocery stores and not letting us see the footage? where are all the bodies from the passenger flight,wheres the luggage? why all the secrecy of hiding something that flew into the pentagon by bringing something out that day with several men carrying it and dumping it onto a truck but covering it up with a huge blue blanket so we could not see what it was they were loading? If its only a jet engine,why hide it like that? why not release all the photographs taken that day by the pentagon of the airliner coming in,why cover it up? why is it the ONLY footage they will supply us with of the ALLEGED airliner hitting the pentagon is two frames of some mysterious orange explosion when with all those cameras,they easily could have picked it up flying into them? why not release those photos? whats to hide? Oh and why did Norman Minetta testify saying that a young man came into the bunker saying to Dick Cheney -Its 10 miles out,do those orders still stand sir? and Cheney replied-Of course those orders still stand,have you heard anything to the contrary? and you call HIM a dumbass? I love it.

Like you said,Eots,you asked that question of how come the Pentagan refuses to release the 84 surveillance videos that took film of the airliner coming in,they ignored it like they always do,just like they ignored and never addressed THIS post of mine .Thats what I been asking all this time on this thread as well with no reply to it either.Funny how they always claim WE ignore facts but they never bother to address are points and questions we bring up and have to resort to just showing pics of ALLEGED aircraft parts instead of answering the questions huh?

i wish they would release all those tapes
but, more than likely there is NOTHING on them
and even if they released all of them and they clearly showed a 757 hitting the pentagon, you assholes would STILL deny it
you'd claim they faked it or some such nonsense
so why bother

 

[Toro]

Hi TO

Okay hotshot, so start explaining! :0) The 911Truth is that the Retrofitted DoD Jet went BOOM against the E-ring wall at 9:36:27 AM (lower pic) to leave this debris scattered EVERYWHERE, which has NOTHING to do with any real 100-ton Jetliner crashing anywhere near the Pentagon. You have been DUPED by Senor Bushie, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and the Inside-job Bad Guys . . . :0)

Or, instead of some bizarre, implausible conspiracy theory, an American Airlines Boeing 757 hit the wall.

In the BBC video refuting the strange 9/11 conspiracy theories, academics reconstructed the crash using computer simulation and concluded, indeed, a Boeing 757 most likely did cause the crash. Of course, the professors, after releasing their conclusions, were set upon by the foiler crowd, being viscerally accused of involvement in the plot, and all the usual nonsense.

Of course the Inside-job Bad Guys painted up ‘their’ Retrofitted DoD BOMB using AA lettering, because they wanted you to think a real Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon. And look! Their scam worked on DUPES like you. :0)

Of course they did.

Or it really was an American Airline.

But its just easier for foilers to believe an enormously complicated conspiracy by evil neocons.

Who cares? AA11 and AA77 were canceled on 9/11, which anyone can plainly see if they simply look these things up for themselves. This is the AA77 Pentagon Debate. Right? Okay then. The Departure Statistics (pic) show AA77 was canceled. Period.

That's right. People inputting data are never wrong.

Period.

No. We ‘can see’ that AA11 NEVER TOOK OFF ON 9/11 by the Bureau Of Transportation Statistics (BOTS) Information freely available to EVERYONE. Yes. Something did take the Twin Towers down on 9/11, but that had NOTHING to do with AA11. :0)

Yes, that's right! It was a hologram! And look! It's on youtube!

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It must be true.

You ‘know’ no such thing! Since AA11 and AA77 DID NOT even leave the runway, then your Official Cover Story LIE also has nothing to do with what really happened on 9/11. The Opening Post tells you what happened at the Pentagon, but you choose to believe Loyal Bushie LIES anyway . . .

You are an idiot. I have been one of the most vocal critics of the Bush administration on this board. Don't make assumptions about my political affiliations.

Your job is to offer up rebuttals and counterproposals against my OP explanations from whatever el Toro considers to be ‘credible evidence’ to support ‘your’ case.

No. My job is to refute your assertions.

You are saying “They were all booked,” when the BOTS says AA11 and AA77 were canceled.

They were booked. This shows you how little you know about travel. All flights are booked, even if they are canceled. If they are canceled, then the passengers are put on other planes.

As for these "bots," the bots pick up the data inputted by hand. Somebody has to input the data into the flight computer. The fact that it shows 0:00 does not mean with 100% certainty that the flight was canceled.

As you said

Airport officials are responsible for recording the data for all departures of all commercial flights

That's right. Humans never make omissions when inputting data. Its a well known fact!

Also, I inputted a flight I took a US Air flight on March 6, 2008 from Tallahassee FL to Charlotte NC. Guess what? It doesn't show up in the database! It says there is no data. And I was on the plane!

Check it yourself.

Stop with the ‘you say’ nonsense, as if the BOTS say that AA11 and AA77 took off! The Inside-job bad guys murdered many innocent Americans before, during and after these related 9/11 attacks were carried out ‘and’ the victims were assigned seats on these ‘canceled’ flights, because DUPES like you will believe just about anything.

Of course they did.

There would have had to have been over 100 murders, all pre-planned and carried out over a very short time period, say a day or so before the flight was to take off. Otherwise, there would have been some suspicious activity. Over 100 people are killed within a day or two, surely someone who was associated with those people would have had some suspicion. Yet, these people have all disappeared, without a trace.

Bush and Rove and Cheney and Rumsfeld and Ashcroft and Raytheon and Blackstone and Peter Peterson (NYC Federal Reserve = story) and Larry Silverstein and Mayor Giuliani and the Justice Department (my WTC-7 thread) and all of their Inside-job cohorts murdered them in cold blood. Hey el Toro, guess who is next? :0)

You have zero, zip, nada on any of this. It is just baseless accusations.

No surprise there.

Here is the deal facing all Loyal Bushie DUPES: The same people who planned and carried out these Inside-job 9/11 attacks are also orchestrating the current U.S./Global Economic Implosion ‘and’ there is still time (today) to backtrack and bring the ‘real’ Inside-job Bad Guys to justice. However, your refusal to go back in time to get 9/11 right shall be the cause of your own destruction by these same bad guys telling Loyal Bushie and now Loyal Obama LIES on the television every cotton-picking day.

Okay, this says it all, doesn't it? It just gets more and more bizarre.

The evil neocons are "orchestrating the economic implosion" says more to me about your whole mindset, and your gullibility regarding conspiracy theories. When you invoke economic meltdowns, you have no idea nor knowledge what you are talking about. I see no reason why anyone should trust your analytical abilities regarding 9/11 since you invoke a bizarre and laughable theory about the economy.

You have no credibility.