This is what government run health care will look like if democrats are ever able to completly take if over.

[Seth]

Rogue employee?

The VA case you cited actually proves the opposite of what you’re implying—it shows the system can work when wrongdoing is exposed. The whistleblower’s fight was brutal, but it ended with resignations, firings, and reforms, which is exactly how accountability is supposed to look. One rogue supervisor at FEMA getting caught and fired fits that same pattern, not a conspiracy.

 

[Votto]

I pay zero copay and the VA sends me to private doctors and specialist when I request for them.

Why then did these veterans die alone like this? From the article

Administrators at the hospital had been under pressure from senior VA officials to keep appointment wait times below a certain threshold. The whistleblower report and multiple investigations found that administrators were keeping two lists.

The official list, which was sent up the chain of command to Washington, showed veterans receiving health care within the prescribed times. The unofficial (but accurate) list showed the actual wait times: in some cases, veterans were waiting more than a year for care.

One day, a colleague reached out to Pedene and asked to meet over lunch.

“She started crying and she said, ‘I called a patient today, and he died. I couldn't get him in before he died. He needed the care that he needed and I couldn't get him in,’” Pedene said. “She was devastated and we sat there and we cried together.”

An internal investigation at the Phoenix VA found that 40 veterans had died while waiting for care, but a 2016 investigation by the Office of the Inspector General at the Department of Veterans Affairs found at least 200 cases of veterans dying while waiting for care.

 

[Moonglow]

More likely, and more insidiously, they'll fine you for doing something the majority thinks is unhealthy.

I don't get narcotics because I smoke weed and it shows on yer pee test the VA gives you annually....

 

[Votto]

The VA case you cited actually proves the opposite of what you’re implying—it shows the system can work when wrongdoing is exposed. The whistleblower’s fight was brutal, but it ended with resignations, firings, and reforms, which is exactly how accountability is supposed to look. One rogue supervisor at FEMA getting caught and fired fits that same pattern, not a conspiracy.

So, all we need to do is trust in government and hope enough people have the courage to be ravaged by the system to be a whistleblower in order to help stop the ongoing corruption as people die all around us in the interim.

Sounds like a plan

 

[Woodznutz]

Just stop getting into an accident not your fault. Just stop getting breast cancer. Just stop having kids............

Just quit smoking and overeating. That alone would have a profound effect on the nation's health. Reducing
cancer requires generational changes in lifestyle. Accidental injuries can be reduced by denying drunk drivers the right to continue driving. Two more deaths and several injuries occurred here recently, caused by a repeat drunk driver, who should not have been allowed to drive. Tens of thousands of serious injuries are caused by repeat drunk drivers.

Our legislators need to get their heads out their ass and do something about this.

 

[Moonglow]

Why then did these veterans die alone like this? From the article

Administrators at the hospital had been under pressure from senior VA officials to keep appointment wait times below a certain threshold. The whistleblower report and multiple investigations found that administrators were keeping two lists.

The official list, which was sent up the chain of command to Washington, showed veterans receiving health care within the prescribed times. The unofficial (but accurate) list showed the actual wait times: in some cases, veterans were waiting more than a year for care.

One day, a colleague reached out to Pedene and asked to meet over lunch.

“She started crying and she said, ‘I called a patient today, and he died. I couldn't get him in before he died. He needed the care that he needed and I couldn't get him in,’” Pedene said. “She was devastated and we sat there and we cried together.”

An internal investigation at the Phoenix VA found that 40 veterans had died while waiting for care, but a 2016 investigation by the Office of the Inspector General at the Department of Veterans Affairs found at least 200 cases of veterans dying while waiting for care.

Why, fubar...When I was in the army stationed at Fart Belvoir(1985) people were dying while getting medical attention at Walter Reed Medical Hospital in DC. Mostly it is the fact that many doctors then went into the military because they could not afford to practice in private over malpractice.

 

[Mr Natural]

So why don't the Republicans implement universal health care?

Because the money grubbers can’t make any money off people’s misery.

 

[Votto]

Just quit smoking and overeating. That alone would have a profound effect on the nation's health. Reducing
cancer requires generational changes in lifestyle. Accidental injuries can be reduced by denying drunk drivers the right to continue driving. Two more deaths and several injuries occurred here recently, caused by a repeat drunk driver, who should not have been allowed to drive. Tens of thousands of serious injuries are caused by repeat drunk drivers.

Our legislators need to get their heads out their ass and do something about this.

Legislators ruin everything they touch and have an approval rating less than 20% for about half a century now

So, people want to turn their health care over to them?

 

[Darkwind]

Private doctors will do that.

Not to any significant degree.

If I had a doctor who was threatening to stop care if I didn't do as he said, I'd fire him on the spot and go find another doctor.

That cannot be done with universal healthcare.

 

[1srelluc]

Dead issue, stupid thread.

 

[Votto]

Why, fubar...When I was in the army stationed at Fart Belvoir(1985) people were dying while getting medical attention at Walter Reed Medical Hospital in DC. Mostly it is the fact that many doctors then went into the military because they could not afford to practice in private over malpractice.

There is no doubt about it, lawyers, that also run the Swamp, have helped ruin health care.

No arguments there, but why turn to the same lawyers?

What is needed is legal reform to deal with this and not completely turn over health care to the same criminal lawyers.

 

[Votto]

Dead issue, stupid thread.

You think the Left has given up on taking over health care dupe?

No.

 

[pknopp]

Just quit smoking and overeating. That alone would have a profound effect on the nation's health.

No one argues it wouldn't BUT people still need affordable health care.

 

[Moonglow]

Not to any significant degree.

If I had a doctor who was threatening to stop care if I didn't do as he said, I'd fire him on the spot and go find another doctor.

That cannot be done with universal healthcare.

The docs will not treat you if they know you are lying about your activities, if you lie about being an alcoholic but need medical procedures that will be damaged by alcoholism and the patient lies about it the docs will send you away and refuse to treat you.

 

[dblack]

It's a little stunning to me that people would even consider giving government more control over healthcare, given what a dysfunctional, divided mess it is.

 

[Woodznutz]

Legislators ruin everything they touch and have an approval rating less than 20% for about half a century now

So, people want to turn their health care over to them?

It's them alligators that Reagan mentioned. Our legislators are so busy managing our decline there's no time to manage our ascent.

 

[Moonglow]

It's a little stunning to me that people would even consider giving government more control of healthcare, given what a dysfunctional, divided mess it is.

The medical profession has a serious addiction, your money, and will do and say anything to get it...

 

[Seth]

So, all we need to do is trust in government and hope enough people have the courage to be ravaged by the system to be a whistleblower in order to help stop the ongoing corruption as people die all around us in the interim.

Sounds like a plan

Fair point—expecting whistleblowers to carry the whole weight is a lousy plan. But their courage is proof the system isn’t entirely rigged. It’s ugly, slow, and painful, but sometimes that’s what accountability looks like.

 

[1srelluc]

It's a little stunning to me that people would even consider giving government more control of healthcare, given what a dysfunctional, divided mess it is.

Thing is there is no consideration....OP just wants to stir up shit with his troll thread.

 

[Darkwind]

Just quit smoking and overeating. That alone would have a profound effect on the nation's health. Reducing
cancer requires generational changes in lifestyle. Accidental injuries can be reduced by denying drunk drivers the right to continue driving. Two more deaths and several injuries occurred here recently, caused by a repeat drunk driver, who should not have been allowed to drive. Tens of thousands of serious injuries are caused by repeat drunk drivers.

Our legislators need to get their heads out their ass and do something about this.

Not just the impaired drivers, but the speeders too.