‘This Is Not of God’: When Anti-Trump Evangelicals Confront Their Brethren

[IsaacNewton]

'Evangelicals' in the US outed themselves as not Christian by voting for Lying Trump in large numbers. They have no other religion except power and money. They reject the teachings of Christ outright, so they are not Christians.

They claim to be, but they aren't. They've been outed for good this time, all that Jerry Falwell crap was uber rake garbage designed also to make money and put people into power that steer money their way.

Predictable. Throw mud at a Christian group for the sin of an individual. Christians, Evangelicals: Do not let this distract you. People of faith voted for a candidate based on that candidate's belief that matters of conscience should prevail in the public square, in the business square. Those who work in the medical field should not be required to end life in the womb. Photographers should not be required to take photos they are uncomfortable shooting. Bakers should not be required to decorate a cake if those specifications go against their conscience.

Those of you who hate the President because you believe he should be forcing Catholic doctors to perform abortions, that he should force photographers to take pictures for the Man-Boy Love Association, that he should force all bakers to decorate specifically gay wedding cakes, go ahead and hate him. Otherwise, face up to the lies in your own lives. Bet you forgive yourself that which you are unwilling to forgive in someone else.

Yes, Donald Trump is an imperfect man. However, the President is clear on the ideals he supports, and some of these ideals are the same ideals Evangelicals and other people of faith support. We voted for a President who gets things done. That President also came with some personal sins. As do we all.

So you are one that thinks Jesus would approve of a man walking up and grabbing a woman's vee jay jay in public. Or paying a prostitute for sex, then paying her again $130,000 to shut up about it.

You people are not Christians so stop pretending. It's over with, Trump has out you forever, you only use religion as a front for political gain. You have no morals.

Are you speaking of Bill Clinton? Unless you are twisting something, I thought it wasn't popular anymore to be "Religious" (unless you are speaking of witchcraft or socialism). And frankly, these women who walk around displaying their "vee jay jay" publicly ---- already have been imaginatively raped by everyone staring at them --- in any case they have left NOTHING to anyone's imagination.

So you excuse anyone's behavior because of 'something someone else did'.

Your true god is relativism.

 

[emilynghiem]

There are evangelicals concerned with spreading the word of Jesus Christ as the way to salvation, and there are evangelicals who expound a social justice/progressive political philosophy couched in Gospel terms.

The Red Letter Christians fall into the latter category.

Dear Billy_Kinetta and EvilEyeFleegle
The Scriptural way for one brother or believer to rebuke another for sake of correction is
given in Matthew 18:15-20

So if these pastoral leaders have an issue to address with Trump or any other Evangelical,
they are supposed to address them one on one in private, and try to resolve the grievance or TRESPASS between them
as fellow believers in Christ.

I am assuming the grievance in this case is either preaching a false gospel,
or 'coveting' power out of greed, or putting Mammon before God.

Then if the person does not hear or respond to the correction, the Scripture instructs us to
bring witnesses to establish the truth. And if that doesn't work THEN we tell it unto the church.

What people are missing is skipping these steps. And confronting and accusing people IN PUBLIC
before ever having gone to them in private to resolve the grievance that way.

For example, when Kanye West talked with Trump, they addressed issues between them in person.
And so did Darrell Scott when he first confronted Trump on racism issues at a panel presentation where they first met.

If these pastoral leaders did the same, I'm sure they'd be able to resolve things as fellow believers in Christ.

But to confront and accuse people in public without first bringing the charges to them in person,
and giving them a chance to answer and make corrections, is disobeying Scriptural process and authority.

The natural reaction is to defend and dismiss and discredit the person making such charges out of order.

Whoever is the ministerial counsel for these groups ought to coordinate
some meeting to resolve these issues properly and according to Scripture.

 

[MaryAnne11]

Trump is of Satan.

Many of the things Trump stands for Jesus would be opposed too.
1. Adultery
2. taking food from the poor
3. Judging people that are different

When has Trump made a stand on those issues?

Regardless, everyone on earth has done something Jesus opposed at one point in their lives. Jesus came to save us from our sins. Not to lead protests accusing us of them. The accuser is the other guy

And each one of them will stand in judgement, just like Trump!

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

There are evangelicals concerned with spreading the word of Jesus Christ as the way to salvation, and there are evangelicals who expound a social justice/progressive political philosophy couched in Gospel terms.

The Red Letter Christians fall into the latter category.

Dear Billy_Kinetta and EvilEyeFleegle
The Scriptural way for one brother or believer to rebuke another for sake of correction is
given in Matthew 18:15-20

So if these pastoral leaders have an issue to address with Trump or any other Evangelical,
they are supposed to address them one on one in private, and try to resolve the grievance or TRESPASS between them
as fellow believers in Christ.

I am assuming the grievance in this case is either preaching a false gospel,
or 'coveting' power out of greed, or putting Mammon before God.

Then if the person does not hear or respond to the correction, the Scripture instructs us to
bring witnesses to establish the truth. And if that doesn't work THEN we tell it unto the church.

What people are missing is skipping these steps. And confronting and accusing people IN PUBLIC
before ever having gone to them in private to resolve the grievance that way.

For example, when Kanye West talked with Trump, they addressed issues between them in person.
And so did Darrell Scott when he first confronted Trump on racism issues at a panel presentation where they first met.

If these pastoral leaders did the same, I'm sure they'd be able to resolve things as fellow believers in Christ.

But to confront and accuse people in public without first bringing the charges to them in person,
and giving them a chance to answer and make corrections, is disobeying Scriptural process and authority.

The natural reaction is to defend and dismiss and discredit the person making such charges out of order.

Whoever is the ministerial counsel for these groups ought to coordinate
some meeting to resolve these issues properly and according to Scripture.

You are, of course, correct.

I'd put to you that we don't know if the Red Letter Christians attempted these steps or no. It is difficult when addressing a 'movement' to reduce it to a one-on-one meeting. Would Falwell meet? I don't know. Would Trump meet? I doubt it..but again, I don't know. As Christians, our lives are supposed to be our ultimate argument for the truth of Christ's teachings. As humility is one of the foremost virtues, one could make an argument against any confrontation. After all, what matters if our brothers and sisters make choices we disagree with, right?

I think one of largest problems is that some see this as a Christian issue of ethics first,and a political issue second--while others see the reverse. I am sure of one thing--weaponizing Christianity is wrong---our corrections should be born out of love and concern...not hate. I think the Red Letter group come closer to that ideal than do most of the Evangelicals on the Right. I'm aware that that's just an opinion--born of my dislike of the stridency of the Right.

But, as I think you will agree, the underlying issue is that many on both sides do not acknowledge their opposition to be their Christian brothers and sisters. Instead they choose to demonize them. My understanding of history, both religious and secular, has illustrated to me the dangers of mixing politics and religion.

Just a brief read of this thread illustrates my point, I think.

Thank you for your post..it was refreshing!

 

[MaryAnne11]

There are evangelicals concerned with spreading the word of Jesus Christ as the way to salvation, and there are evangelicals who expound a social justice/progressive political philosophy couched in Gospel terms.

The Red Letter Christians fall into the latter category.

Dear Billy_Kinetta and EvilEyeFleegle
The Scriptural way for one brother or believer to rebuke another for sake of correction is
given in Matthew 18:15-20

So if these pastoral leaders have an issue to address with Trump or any other Evangelical,
they are supposed to address them one on one in private, and try to resolve the grievance or TRESPASS between them
as fellow believers in Christ.

I am assuming the grievance in this case is either preaching a false gospel,
or 'coveting' power out of greed, or putting Mammon before God.

Then if the person does not hear or respond to the correction, the Scripture instructs us to
bring witnesses to establish the truth. And if that doesn't work THEN we tell it unto the church.

What people are missing is skipping these steps. And confronting and accusing people IN PUBLIC
before ever having gone to them in private to resolve the grievance that way.

For example, when Kanye West talked with Trump, they addressed issues between them in person.
And so did Darrell Scott when he first confronted Trump on racism issues at a panel presentation where they first met.

If these pastoral leaders did the same, I'm sure they'd be able to resolve things as fellow believers in Christ.

But to confront and accuse people in public without first bringing the charges to them in person,
and giving them a chance to answer and make corrections, is disobeying Scriptural process and authority.

The natural reaction is to defend and dismiss and discredit the person making such charges out of order.

Whoever is the ministerial counsel for these groups ought to coordinate
some meeting to resolve these issues properly and according to Scripture.

The quote from the Bible is accurate but do you think Trump is going to meet privately with all these Pastors and admit his many sins?

We are now in crisis mode and do not forget, Jesus did not follow steps when he threw the Money Changers out of the Temple.he did what needs to be done ten fold today.

This is a different world and some of those Pastors have done great harm. They need to start by healing themselves.

 

[MaryAnne11]

I doubt any Christian, Liberal or Conservative hates if they are following Jesus-words.

The only time he became angry was when he threw the Money Changers out of the Temple for cheating people. Jesus would be one busy guy today cleaning out the WH and Congress.

YOu argue against Christians hating.


Yet immediately claim that Jesus would be angry and drive the "money changer" out of the White House.


That very much supports norwegen's point about liberals being divisive and hateful.

Throwing the money changers out for cheating people was far from hate. It was righteous anger. Something that is sadly lacking in our Government today.. we need to find a Politician with that character today

You do not know the difference between the 2? Neither do those who voted for Trump.

What we see today from liberals, is hate.


Is there one policy difference you have with Trump supporters that you don't consider evidence of them being bad people for disagreeing with your obviously right position?

Pure deflection. One finger pointing, 3 back at you

This whole thread is about attacking Trump supporters, because you liberals can't imagine that anyone would disagree with you, without being "not of god".

You are here to support that.



I asked a simple question, giving you a chance to talk about all the issues where you disagree with people, without considering them bad people.


ANd you could not answer it.

This is not Liberal or Republican. The thread is about morality.

 

[MaryAnne11]

i do not sit in judgement on whether others are Christians or not.

Do you judge others?

Think I answered that. My Judgement means nothing.

God is the Judge and he sees all.

 

[Meriweather]

Think I answered that. My Judgement means nothing.

Two different things. Even though it means nothing doesn't mean a person is not being judgmental.

 

[Correll]

YOu argue against Christians hating.


Yet immediately claim that Jesus would be angry and drive the "money changer" out of the White House.


That very much supports norwegen's point about liberals being divisive and hateful.

Throwing the money changers out for cheating people was far from hate. It was righteous anger. Something that is sadly lacking in our Government today.. we need to find a Politician with that character today

You do not know the difference between the 2? Neither do those who voted for Trump.

What we see today from liberals, is hate.


Is there one policy difference you have with Trump supporters that you don't consider evidence of them being bad people for disagreeing with your obviously right position?

Pure deflection. One finger pointing, 3 back at you

This whole thread is about attacking Trump supporters, because you liberals can't imagine that anyone would disagree with you, without being "not of god".

You are here to support that.



I asked a simple question, giving you a chance to talk about all the issues where you disagree with people, without considering them bad people.


ANd you could not answer it.

This is not Liberal or Republican. The thread is about morality.

It is immoral to lie, and the OP and the lib posts in this thread, shows that this is about Liberal or Republican.


My points stands, as your rebuttal has been refuted.


This whole thread is about attacking Trump supporters, because you liberals can't imagine that anyone would disagree with you, without being "not of god".

You are here to support that.



I asked a simple question, giving you a chance to talk about all the issues where you disagree with people, without considering them bad people.


ANd you could not answer it.

 

[MaryAnne11]

Throwing the money changers out for cheating people was far from hate. It was righteous anger. Something that is sadly lacking in our Government today.. we need to find a Politician with that character today

You do not know the difference between the 2? Neither do those who voted for Trump.

What we see today from liberals, is hate.


Is there one policy difference you have with Trump supporters that you don't consider evidence of them being bad people for disagreeing with your obviously right position?

Pure deflection. One finger pointing, 3 back at you

This whole thread is about attacking Trump supporters, because you liberals can't imagine that anyone would disagree with you, without being "not of god".

You are here to support that.



I asked a simple question, giving you a chance to talk about all the issues where you disagree with people, without considering them bad people.


ANd you could not answer it.

This is not Liberal or Republican. The thread is about morality.

It is immoral to lie, and the OP and the lib posts in this thread, shows that this is about Liberal or Republican.


My points stands, as your rebuttal has been refuted.


This whole thread is about attacking Trump supporters, because you liberals can't imagine that anyone would disagree with you, without being "not of god".

You are here to support that.



I asked a simple question, giving you a chance to talk about all the issues where you disagree with people, without considering them bad people.


ANd you could not answer it.

Poster,heal thyself! You just lied! Fact, not judgement.

 

[emilynghiem]

There are evangelicals concerned with spreading the word of Jesus Christ as the way to salvation, and there are evangelicals who expound a social justice/progressive political philosophy couched in Gospel terms.

The Red Letter Christians fall into the latter category.

Dear Billy_Kinetta and EvilEyeFleegle
The Scriptural way for one brother or believer to rebuke another for sake of correction is
given in Matthew 18:15-20

So if these pastoral leaders have an issue to address with Trump or any other Evangelical,
they are supposed to address them one on one in private, and try to resolve the grievance or TRESPASS between them
as fellow believers in Christ.

I am assuming the grievance in this case is either preaching a false gospel,
or 'coveting' power out of greed, or putting Mammon before God.

Then if the person does not hear or respond to the correction, the Scripture instructs us to
bring witnesses to establish the truth. And if that doesn't work THEN we tell it unto the church.

What people are missing is skipping these steps. And confronting and accusing people IN PUBLIC
before ever having gone to them in private to resolve the grievance that way.

For example, when Kanye West talked with Trump, they addressed issues between them in person.
And so did Darrell Scott when he first confronted Trump on racism issues at a panel presentation where they first met.

If these pastoral leaders did the same, I'm sure they'd be able to resolve things as fellow believers in Christ.

But to confront and accuse people in public without first bringing the charges to them in person,
and giving them a chance to answer and make corrections, is disobeying Scriptural process and authority.

The natural reaction is to defend and dismiss and discredit the person making such charges out of order.

Whoever is the ministerial counsel for these groups ought to coordinate
some meeting to resolve these issues properly and according to Scripture.

The quote from the Bible is accurate but do you think Trump is going to meet privately with all these Pastors and admit his many sins?

We are now in crisis mode and do not forget, Jesus did not follow steps when he threw the Money Changers out of the Temple.he did what needs to be done ten fold today.

This is a different world and some of those Pastors have done great harm. They need to start by healing themselves.

Dear MaryAnne11

With Trump who is a secular gentile who has received Christ, it depends if he listens to his Christian counsel before his political strategists. His best Christian counsel would advise him to obey God and seek to counsel with others equally sincere. If there is any politics involved, the answer may be no it's a dead end trap. It depends if there are sincere believers asking and supporting these parties in making and receiving peace. I pray so!!!

 

[LittleNipper]

Trump is in office as President because that is exactly where GOD wanted him to be. I can also suggest that the most obvious reason is because President Trump did what other Presidents have been him hauling around with for the last 50 years. It is GOD's perfect timing that Jerusalem now be pushed closer to being the capital of Israel.

Obama wouldn't do it and Mrs. Clinton most certainly had no intention of ever doing anything of this sort. In fact, they both seem to be very unsympathetic towards Israel. They are about human/political manipulation and not the sovereignty of the LORD.

King David was a murderer and an adulterer. But he never claimed to be the smartest tool in the shed. In fact, King David is call a man after GOD's own heart in the Bible. And that is because he knew GOD was ultimately in control. I don't believe Democrats today get it. They believe in schemes and backroom maneuvering.

 

[MaryAnne11]

There are evangelicals concerned with spreading the word of Jesus Christ as the way to salvation, and there are evangelicals who expound a social justice/progressive political philosophy couched in Gospel terms.

The Red Letter Christians fall into the latter category.

Dear Billy_Kinetta and EvilEyeFleegle
The Scriptural way for one brother or believer to rebuke another for sake of correction is
given in Matthew 18:15-20

So if these pastoral leaders have an issue to address with Trump or any other Evangelical,
they are supposed to address them one on one in private, and try to resolve the grievance or TRESPASS between them
as fellow believers in Christ.

I am assuming the grievance in this case is either preaching a false gospel,
or 'coveting' power out of greed, or putting Mammon before God.

Then if the person does not hear or respond to the correction, the Scripture instructs us to
bring witnesses to establish the truth. And if that doesn't work THEN we tell it unto the church.

What people are missing is skipping these steps. And confronting and accusing people IN PUBLIC
before ever having gone to them in private to resolve the grievance that way.

For example, when Kanye West talked with Trump, they addressed issues between them in person.
And so did Darrell Scott when he first confronted Trump on racism issues at a panel presentation where they first met.

If these pastoral leaders did the same, I'm sure they'd be able to resolve things as fellow believers in Christ.

But to confront and accuse people in public without first bringing the charges to them in person,
and giving them a chance to answer and make corrections, is disobeying Scriptural process and authority.

The natural reaction is to defend and dismiss and discredit the person making such charges out of order.

Whoever is the ministerial counsel for these groups ought to coordinate
some meeting to resolve these issues properly and according to Scripture.

The quote from the Bible is accurate but do you think Trump is going to meet privately with all these Pastors and admit his many sins?

We are now in crisis mode and do not forget, Jesus did not follow steps when he threw the Money Changers out of the Temple.he did what needs to be done ten fold today.

This is a different world and some of those Pastors have done great harm. They need to start by healing themselves.

Dear MaryAnne11

With Trump who is a secular gentile who has received Christ, it depends if he listens to his Christian counsel before his political strategists. His best Christian counsel would advise him to obey God and seek to counsel with others equally sincere. If there is any politics involved, the answer may be no it's a dead end trap. It depends if there are sincere believers asking and supporting these parties in making and receiving peace. I pray so!!!

Dear Emily,

If all you posted is fact why does Trump lie every time he opens his mouth?

You observed Trump being saved? News for you, just because you claim to be saved but continue the same actions you are not absolved.,

Do the words,” Go and sin no more,” ring a bell?

 

[Correll]

What we see today from liberals, is hate.


Is there one policy difference you have with Trump supporters that you don't consider evidence of them being bad people for disagreeing with your obviously right position?

Pure deflection. One finger pointing, 3 back at you

This whole thread is about attacking Trump supporters, because you liberals can't imagine that anyone would disagree with you, without being "not of god".

You are here to support that.



I asked a simple question, giving you a chance to talk about all the issues where you disagree with people, without considering them bad people.


ANd you could not answer it.

This is not Liberal or Republican. The thread is about morality.

It is immoral to lie, and the OP and the lib posts in this thread, shows that this is about Liberal or Republican.


My points stands, as your rebuttal has been refuted.


This whole thread is about attacking Trump supporters, because you liberals can't imagine that anyone would disagree with you, without being "not of god".

You are here to support that.



I asked a simple question, giving you a chance to talk about all the issues where you disagree with people, without considering them bad people.


ANd you could not answer it.

Poster,heal thyself! You just lied! Fact, not judgement.

It is immoral to lie, and the OP and the lib posts in this thread, shows that this is about Liberal or Republican.


My points stands, as your rebuttal has been refuted.


This whole thread is about attacking Trump supporters, because you liberals can't imagine that anyone would disagree with you, without being "not of god".

You are here to support that.



I asked a simple question, giving you a chance to talk about all the issues where you disagree with people, without considering them bad people.


ANd you could not answer it. Twice now.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Thread still pertinent....2 years later! I guess the question is..is the support more about the Whiteness..of the demographic..than it is about the Christianity?

More White Americans adopted than shed evangelical label during Trump presidency, especially his supporters

A new analysis of survey data finds that there has been no large-scale departure from evangelicalism among White Americans.

www.pewresearch.org

Since Donald Trump was elected president in 2016 due in part to strong support from White evangelical Protestants, many observers have wondered what impact this political alliance might have on the evangelical church in the United States. Would there be an exodus from the church on the part of those who do not share their fellow evangelicals’ enthusiasm for the former president? If so, would this leave behind a smaller evangelical population, or would any such defectors be replaced by Trump-supporting converts to evangelicalism? And would White evangelicals who backed Trump in 2016 stick with him in 2020?
Contrary to what some may have expected, a new analysis of Pew Research Center survey data finds that there has been no large-scale departure from evangelicalism among White Americans. In fact, there is solid evidence that White Americans who viewed Trump favorably and did not identify as evangelicals in 2016 were much more likely than White Trump skeptics to begin identifying as born-again or evangelical Protestants by 2020.
Additionally, the surveys do not clearly show that White evangelicals who opposed Trump were significantly more likely than Trump supporters to drop the evangelical label. The data also shows that Trump’s electoral performance among White evangelicals was even stronger in 2020 than in 2016, partially due to increased support among White voters who described themselves as evangelicals throughout this period.

Evangelicals, Trump, and How Politics Shapes Religion—Not the Other Way Around | Washington Monthly

An acclaimed religion writer finds a complex picture of Evangelical voters and even more cause for worry about political polarization.

washingtonmonthly.com

To be sure, most white Evangelicals did vote for Donald Trump. But so did a majority of white Catholics and mainline Protestants, albeit Evangelicals gave much larger majorities to Trump than voters of other faiths. It is also true that the non-religious Trump courted Evangelical Christians by making their issues—curbing abortion rights, expanding religious liberty, and appointing conservative jurists—his own. For many white Evangelical leaders, supporting Trump was purely transactional. That’s how Trump saw it. “The support you have given me is incredible,” Trump said at a White House reception for a group of Evangelicals in 2018. “But I really don’t feel guilty because I’ve given you a lot back, just about everything I promised.” It was the art of the deal.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Thread still pertinent....2 years later! I guess the question is..is the support more about the Whiteness..of the demographic..than it is about the Christianity?

More White Americans adopted than shed evangelical label during Trump presidency, especially his supporters

A new analysis of survey data finds that there has been no large-scale departure from evangelicalism among White Americans.

www.pewresearch.org

Since Donald Trump was elected president in 2016 due in part to strong support from White evangelical Protestants, many observers have wondered what impact this political alliance might have on the evangelical church in the United States. Would there be an exodus from the church on the part of those who do not share their fellow evangelicals’ enthusiasm for the former president? If so, would this leave behind a smaller evangelical population, or would any such defectors be replaced by Trump-supporting converts to evangelicalism? And would White evangelicals who backed Trump in 2016 stick with him in 2020?
Contrary to what some may have expected, a new analysis of Pew Research Center survey data finds that there has been no large-scale departure from evangelicalism among White Americans. In fact, there is solid evidence that White Americans who viewed Trump favorably and did not identify as evangelicals in 2016 were much more likely than White Trump skeptics to begin identifying as born-again or evangelical Protestants by 2020.
Additionally, the surveys do not clearly show that White evangelicals who opposed Trump were significantly more likely than Trump supporters to drop the evangelical label. The data also shows that Trump’s electoral performance among White evangelicals was even stronger in 2020 than in 2016, partially due to increased support among White voters who described themselves as evangelicals throughout this period.

Evangelicals, Trump, and How Politics Shapes Religion—Not the Other Way Around | Washington Monthly

An acclaimed religion writer finds a complex picture of Evangelical voters and even more cause for worry about political polarization.

washingtonmonthly.com

To be sure, most white Evangelicals did vote for Donald Trump. But so did a majority of white Catholics and mainline Protestants, albeit Evangelicals gave much larger majorities to Trump than voters of other faiths. It is also true that the non-religious Trump courted Evangelical Christians by making their issues—curbing abortion rights, expanding religious liberty, and appointing conservative jurists—his own. For many white Evangelical leaders, supporting Trump was purely transactional. That’s how Trump saw it. “The support you have given me is incredible,” Trump said at a White House reception for a group of Evangelicals in 2018. “But I really don’t feel guilty because I’ve given you a lot back, just about everything I promised.” It was the art of the deal.

Just as Jesus warned, a lot of people will claim to be followers, but they are just wolves in sheeps clothing. The easy distinction is the fruits of their lives (Pelosi, Biden come to mind, they live anti-Biblical lives and support anti-Biblical agendas)

 

[Correll]

Thread still pertinent....2 years later! I guess the question is..is the support more about the Whiteness..of the demographic..than it is about the Christianity?

More White Americans adopted than shed evangelical label during Trump presidency, especially his supporters

A new analysis of survey data finds that there has been no large-scale departure from evangelicalism among White Americans.

www.pewresearch.org

Since Donald Trump was elected president in 2016 due in part to strong support from White evangelical Protestants, many observers have wondered what impact this political alliance might have on the evangelical church in the United States. Would there be an exodus from the church on the part of those who do not share their fellow evangelicals’ enthusiasm for the former president? If so, would this leave behind a smaller evangelical population, or would any such defectors be replaced by Trump-supporting converts to evangelicalism? And would White evangelicals who backed Trump in 2016 stick with him in 2020?
Contrary to what some may have expected, a new analysis of Pew Research Center survey data finds that there has been no large-scale departure from evangelicalism among White Americans. In fact, there is solid evidence that White Americans who viewed Trump favorably and did not identify as evangelicals in 2016 were much more likely than White Trump skeptics to begin identifying as born-again or evangelical Protestants by 2020.
Additionally, the surveys do not clearly show that White evangelicals who opposed Trump were significantly more likely than Trump supporters to drop the evangelical label. The data also shows that Trump’s electoral performance among White evangelicals was even stronger in 2020 than in 2016, partially due to increased support among White voters who described themselves as evangelicals throughout this period.

Evangelicals, Trump, and How Politics Shapes Religion—Not the Other Way Around | Washington Monthly

An acclaimed religion writer finds a complex picture of Evangelical voters and even more cause for worry about political polarization.

washingtonmonthly.com

To be sure, most white Evangelicals did vote for Donald Trump. But so did a majority of white Catholics and mainline Protestants, albeit Evangelicals gave much larger majorities to Trump than voters of other faiths. It is also true that the non-religious Trump courted Evangelical Christians by making their issues—curbing abortion rights, expanding religious liberty, and appointing conservative jurists—his own. For many white Evangelical leaders, supporting Trump was purely transactional. That’s how Trump saw it. “The support you have given me is incredible,” Trump said at a White House reception for a group of Evangelicals in 2018. “But I really don’t feel guilty because I’ve given you a lot back, just about everything I promised.” It was the art of the deal.

Makes sense. Like Ben Shapiro. He was not a Trump fan, until he saw how "conservatively" Trump governed.

 

[BULLDOG]

Makes sense. Like Ben Shapiro. He was not a Trump fan, until he saw how "conservatively" Trump governed.

No main stream right winger supported trump until he won. That's when they threw away their morals and common sense and concentrated on their party over the country.

 

[Correll]

No main stream right winger supported trump until he won. That's when they threw away their morals and common sense and concentrated on their party over the country.

1. Plenty of mainstream right wingers supported Trump.

2. Plenty did not.

3. That some changed their mind, after seeing his record, is completely reasonable,, and that libtards pretend otherwise, is just them being assholes.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

“With Trump who is a secular gentile who has received Christ, it depends if he listens to his Christian counsel …”

In my opinion Donald Trump is absolutely not “religious.” He is not even “spiritual.” He is a totally amoral narcissist.

Trump’s choice as White House “spiritual advisor” (Paula White) and the many established televangelists who support him do not give him … “Christian counsel.” They are just sick venal fakers who speak gibberish and hope to make money “preaching.” Most reasonable Americans, both religious and irreligious, write off these fruitcakes and opportunists for the frauds that they are.