Zone1 this is just one way churchs are failing in their duties..

[ding]

How do you know it is not.

I didn't say it was or wasn't. I asked the question why isn't their #1 priority spiritual because if people get that right everything else takes care of itself. Mind you that's not all on the church. The people have to hold up their end as well. Arguing works as the measure of success is a bit like the Jews thinking rule following is the measure of success. Both of which are backwards. That's like arguing if I'm successful I'll be happy. That's not how it works.

 

[progressive hunter]

Why isn't their #1 priority spiritual? It seems to me that if people get their spirit right everything else takes care of itself. But my original point was more about looking at the complete picture rather than only one side.

who are you to tell them what they are supposed to be doing??

I look at the outcome not a bunch of internet babble from bench sitters

 

[jacksonlamb]

I didn't say it was or wasn't. I asked the question why isn't their #1 priority spiritual because if people get that right everything else takes care of itself. Mind you that's not all on the church. The people have to hold up their end as well. Arguing works as the measure of success is a bit like the Jews thinking rule following is the measure of success. Both of which are backwards. That's like arguing if I'm successful I'll be happy. That's not how it works.

See, you can prove that it is not. It may be very well that it is #1.

 

[ding]

who are you to tell them what they are supposed to be doing??

I look at the outcome not a bunch of internet babble from bench sitters

No one. And I'm not telling them what to do. I'm stating a self evident fact. The purpose of religion is spirituality. Having a relationship with God. Everything else will take care of itself if one's relationship with God is right.

 

[ding]

See, you can prove that it is not. It may be very well that it is #1.

Sure. How do you think they are doing? If you look at their flocks do you see people who behave as if they believe in God?

 

[progressive hunter]

No one. And I'm not telling them what to do. I'm stating a self evident fact. The purpose of religion is spirituality. Having a relationship with God. Everything else will take care of itself if one's relationship with God is right.

if you say so,,

I guess your religion is different than the rest of them,,

 

[ding]

if you say so,,

I guess your religion is different than the rest of them,,

It's not about religion. It's about having a relationship with God. Religion is a tool.

 

[progressive hunter]

It's not about religion. It's about having a relationship with God. Religion is a tool.

if you say so,,

others arent so selfish and dont stop there,,

 

[ding]

if you say so,,

others arent so selfish and dont stop there,,

Having a relationship with God is literally the opposite of selfish.

 

[Andylusion]

I am not pushing a doctrine,,

sorry if this hurt your feelings,,

You are not hurting my feelings. You are just being evil and wrong.

 

[there4eyeM]

Having "doctrines" means, effectively rigidly defining the undefinable ("God"). That is blasphemy. Having no set doctrines means mealy-mouthed, soft-hearted and soft-headed nice intentions that bleed out into nothing very shortly. Most established 'churches' have settled for weaving their ways around the shoals and rocks of being too pinned down and have gone along to get along. Understandably, the deepest human need for a source of existential assurance that is profound enough to satisfy the 'soul' is unfulfilled.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Sure. How do you think they are doing? If you look at their flocks do you see people who behave as if they believe in God?

I don't judge that. Most of whom I know are not doing what you might think are "anti-God" in action, imo.

 

[DennisPTate]

there are many ways churches are failing to follow their own doctrines.

of course we all know that the some non believers have used governments to forcibly strip churches of the duties using such things as the welfare system, that doesnt excuse churches from doing what their doctrine states,,

foster care has turned into an industry where the victims are children being used for profit,

If sincere church activists would pray and ask for wisdom I do believe that Jesus would show them how the Worgl Austria Local Money Experiment of 1932 could be applied very effectively in this modern era with Social Media and the possibility of turning homeless people into actors, playing the role of themselves, and the video footage could be used to finance getting homeless people into homes before the winter?

[The Truth About Money: The Money SystemIsnt There a Better Way?
by Francis and Lia Ayley] :

"City in Austria Printed Local Currency
Worgl, like many other European towns and cities, was hit hard by the Great Depression. There was mass unemployment; four of the five local factories had closed, and the people were starving in the streets. Nobody had any money to buy anything. One of the features of an economic depression is that there is not enough money in circulation to ensure that people can meet their basic needs, and in the 1930s, the shortage of currency in many countries of the world became catastrophic.

The mayor of Worgl, together with local businessmen, decided to try to break this economic impasse by creating their own local currency. They printed and issued 60,000 Austrian shillings worth of local currency. These shillings could only be spent in Worgl, so they remained in the local community and were exchanged over and over again.

The positive impact was immediate and surprising to everyone. In only six weeks, unemployment disappeared, all the factories had reopened and everyone had food. For the inhabitants of Worgl, the economic depression was gone. This dramatic transformation became known as the “miracle of Worgl.” Surrounding towns, inspired by the success of Worgl, immediately started printing their own local currencies.

Sadly, the miracle did not last long. When the Austrian Central Bank heard about Worgl’s local currency, they initiated legal proceedings against the mayor and local businessmen. According to Austrian banking law, it was illegal for anyone except the Austrian Central Bank to issue money. The bank won the court case, and the mayor was ordered to shut down the local currency, which he did, under threat of imprisonment. The town then returned to the devastating economic depression of the 1930s, with all the human pain and suffering associated with this catastrophe. Factories closed, and once again, the people starved.

Alternative Currency in the U.S.
Irving Fisher, an American professor of economics at Yale University, visited Worgl before the local currency was suppressed and witnessed the ‘miracle’ firsthand. When he returned to the United States, Fisher spread the word by traveling and lecturing across the country, advocating the use of the Worgl ‘scrip’ everywhere. Inspired by his vision, hundreds of communities began issuing their own currency, and by 1934 there were over 1,000 local communities using ‘scrip’ throughout the U.S.

Every one of these communities experienced a tremendous rejuvenation of their local economies. They thrived while others suffered. Fisher then met with President Franklin D. Roosevelt, proposing the implementation of government-sanctioned local ‘scrip’ in every community in America. When FDR consulted with his top financial advisors and bankers, however, he was advised to shut all the ‘scrip’ systems down, which he did. Instead, he borrowed large amounts of money from bankers, at interest, and used it to pay for the Reconstruction Finance Corporation and the other work-creation projects, which collectively came to be known as the ‘New Deal.’ So ended the last widespread use of a local currency within the U.S.

This pattern of economic collapse and re-emergence of local currencies has occurred thousands of times in many parts of the world. When these currencies have failed or have been suppressed, banks have not always been to blame. Sometimes, local currencies fail because they have been badly designed or implemented. Sometimes, people lose interest in them when the mainstream economy recovers. But they have always returned in one form or another during times of economic failure.

Our present world situation is uniquely different. Despite a relatively prosperous and stable world economy, a quiet monetary revolution has been occurring around the globe over the last 20 years. Awareness is growing about the flaws in our current monetary system, and people are re-creating viable alternatives. We are witnessing for the first time the worldwide creation of money systems designed by the people who use them, instead of by central banks.

Time Dollars in Whatcom County"

[ The Truth About Money: The Money SystemIsnt There a Better Way?
by Francis and Lia Ayley}

Imagine the usage of Calgary Dollars notes as props in a series of reality films where Homeless People become actors and organizations like Celebrate Recovery help homeless people through making them famous, [if they are willing to sign artistic waivers so that the people who try this don't get sued]?


www.CalgaryDollars.ca/

I am hopeful that something along the line of this could even begin up here in Canada?

This could be done by USA film producers here in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada and area though?

Thread 'Homeless Man Angelo by Rick Joyner, and friends, vs Bank of Canada Policy since 1974?'

Thursday at 1:22 AM

Could 343 Homeless People in Ontario form themselves into a
film production cooperative or kibbutz and create reality film
"Stars" out of themselves and set into motion "Monetary Policy" that could
be better than Bank of Canada Policy since 1974?

Three hundred and forty three is the number of elected Members of Parliament
at the federal level of Canadian politics.

In 1932 a city in Austria named Worgl initiated an experiment in a local currency that
gives me hope that perhaps, just perhaps, there may be a way around whatever form
"The Mark of the Beast" will finally take.

First I need...

• DennisPTate
• Replies: 1
• Forum: Canada

 

[progressive hunter]

You are not hurting my feelings. You are just being evil and wrong.

wrong about what??

 

[progressive hunter]

Having a relationship with God is literally the opposite of selfish.

it is when you ignore the suffering of children,,

 

[ding]

it is when you ignore the suffering of children,,

How am I doing that?

 

[progressive hunter]

How am I doing that?

I already told you,, add retarded to it,,

 

[ding]

I already told you,,

Actually you didn't.

add retarded to it,,

You are only hurting yourself.

 

[progressive hunter]

Actually you didn't.

You are only hurting yourself.

if you say so,,

 

[ding]

if you say so,,

I do.