This is a genius idea; you should listen.

[Rigby5]

Your ignorance does not override reality.

And no, Genghis Kahn did not establish a free market economy with private property rights, idiot.

Capitalism NEVER tries to establish private property rights.
Capitalism is just the profit motive, by any means necessary, including slavery, murder, theft, child labor, price fixing, monopolies, etc.
A totally "free market" is never a "fair market", and allows for murder, theft, etc.
And the most efficient and low cost, is always a communal resource, where the owners who set prices are also the customers who use the services.

 

[Rigby5]

Illegals are not American citizens.

You Nazis have a great deal of confusion what a "citizen" is.

The vast majority of those using the ER for free are US citizens.
And even those who are not US citizens, are still adding to the US economy, so are a net plus.

 

[Rigby5]

Besides, I thought your gay Messiah, Barry da Fairy, gave every American affordable health care?

ACA did bring prices down a little, through more collective bargaining.
But it really mostly just forced the uninsured to pay a penalty.

 

[dblack]

Not at all.
Socialism is a voluntary community decision to create a shared resource.

Ahh.. voluntary. That's cool.

But I've certainly never heard of it implemented as a voluntary choice. In practice, it's forced on people via government.

It can only happen if everyone has adequate political representation, so when someone claims socialism reduces political representation, they are simply lying.

It's just devolves into majority rule for every-fucking-thing. No thanks.

It is just an economic option available if people want to choose it.
It forces nothing.

If it doesn't require force, if it's truly voluntary - why is it even a political concern? Sounds like you'd need no legal changes at all. Get some people to sign up and go have yourself some socialism.

Or, drop the pretense that it's "voluntary"

 

[Uncensored2008]

Not at all.
Socialism is a voluntary community decision to create a shared resource.

Uh no.

Socialism is the control or ownership of the means of production by the state.

Nothing even remotely "voluntary" about it.

It can only happen if everyone has adequate political representation, so when someone claims socialism reduces political representation, they are simply lying.

Yeah, that's what Kim Jong Un says...

There is no confusion inherently.
But there are lots of propaganda campaigns to deliberately attempt to add confusion.

And a lot of outright lying, such as you are doing.

Goes back to the anti-Bolshevik propaganda around 1890 or so.

80 million peace time civilians murdered. I'd say the reports on the Bolsheviks were pretty accurate. But that's socialism - you have to murder some, so the rest are too terrified to resist.

If you want a simple example to illustrate its simplicity, consider when the employees decided to buy the Chicago Northwestern Railroad? That is an example of socialism.

No, it sure isn't. In fact it's a prime example of capitalism.

You are astoundingly ignorant and have no grasp of basic economic concepts. Private ownership by employees who put up their own capital.

It does not change the political system in any way.
It is just an economic option available if people want to choose it.
It forces nothing.
But if laws are passed to prevent something like a state petroleum company to pump and refine oil under public lands, then that is when capitalism becomes illegal extortion.

Socialism requires an authoritarian state since it defies human nature.

The state cannot take that produced by one and give it to others more favored without absolute power.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I do not care about inflated ER charges, but they are supposed to be subsidized by tax money, not other patients.
What I am talking about is that all medical charges in the US are over twice what the same procedures would cost in all other countries, whether they have public health care or not.
The US medical industries are out of control and need better price regulation.
The best way to reduce medical prices would be to eliminate the insurance industry layer, since they do not provide anything at all, except costs.

Nothing you claim is true.

Standard Disclaimer: It's been 16 years since I was last in the UK. At the time though, the withholding from hourly workers was 45%. This was not specifically for medical, but the total amount. Every pound a person made, 1/2 was taken by the state. Then if a person would buy something, they would pay VAT and lose even MORE of their wages.

Of course since only about a third of able bodied people would work, someone had to pay.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Capitalism NEVER tries to establish private property rights.

You are beyond ignorant and flat out delusional.

Capitalism is just the profit motive, by any means necessary, including slavery, murder, theft, child labor, price fixing, monopolies, etc.
A totally "free market" is never a "fair market", and allows for murder, theft, etc.
And the most efficient and low cost, is always a communal resource, where the owners who set prices are also the customers who use the services.

No, that is closer to socialism.

You live in a fantasy unencumbered by facts or reality.

Come back if you grow up and learn what the terms mean.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The vast majority of those using the ER for free are US citizens.
And even those who are not US citizens, are still adding to the US economy, so are a net plus.

Uh no.

Another post by Rigby that is the exact opposite of factual.

 

[Uncensored2008]

ACA did bring prices down a little, through more collective bargaining.
But it really mostly just forced the uninsured to pay a penalty.

Uh no, Fascist care increased prices 122%

Have you ever posted anything that was true? I mean, just to see what it was like?