There are more than one.
Fact you don't know this shows how dumb you are.
That's just the start of your deficiency.
Their content and conclusions remain open to dispute.
This global warming is killing us!!
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Fact you don't know this shows how dumb you are.
That's just the start of your deficiency.
Their content and conclusions remain open to dispute.
Fort Fun Indiana
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I'll pass on your pravda Komrade.
I don't consider the IPCC as an objective or honest source.
EMH
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They are actually easily refuted by asking basic climate questions...
Anomalism
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The NOAA trace shows variability over decades, yes, and that’s exactly why we use 30 year or longer averages, to filter out short term fluctuations like volcanos, ENSO, and post war industrial changes. The multi-decadal warming trend is clear even with that smoothing.
Dividing the energy accumulation by ocean mass gives the approximate warming rate per year. It’s small compared to human perception, yes, but accumulated over decades it’s measurable. That’s why the Argo floats show ocean heat content rising, ice melting, and sea levels rising. The energy is real.
Watt = joule/second, yes, and the photons carry momentum, but the governing equations for climate aren’t rigid body mechanics. Radiative transfer, thermodynamics, and energy conservation describe the system. ΔE = Ein − Eout fully accounts for the physics; you don’t need to apply F = ma to oceans or the atmosphere to understand energy accumulation.
0.2C per 1 W/m2 is a basic equilibrium sensitivity calculation; over decades and with feedbacks included, you get the observed 1C warming and associated shifts in climate patterns. Measurable climate change doesn’t require catastrophic instantaneous jumps. It’s cumulative energy over time that alters weather distributions.
Climate Doom is promulgated through climate models - which are nothing more than Garbage in, Garbage out.
To make the models look right, the fraudsters cook and and massage the data to fit the theory.
In North Dakota last year they replaced all the monitoring devices at the Fargo Airport.
Overnight, temperature readings increased by approx. 3 degrees F.
When the meteorologist who was responsible for providing forecasts essential to farming, and has been maintaining the state's official records for 30 years, tried to remedy the obviously inflated readings, he was told that the equipment was operating within the devices acceptable CL.
Climategate should have been enough to expose the fraud once and for all, but alas, no. Fools never learn.
Hafar1014
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One must know the difference between a lie and the truth
EMH
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never mind
1. no increase in cane activity
2. no photos of ocean rise
3. no rise in Surface Air Pressure
= you are completely full of ####
ReinyDays
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So you don't agree electromagnetic radiation is caused by the electromagnetic force? ... I did check my physics textbook here on my desk to make sure ... you are definitely wrong ... energy transfer via electromagnetism is caused my the electromagnetic force ... not the magic only the cool people can see ...
I divided 10^22 joules by the 10^27 grams of ocean water and came up with 0.00001 joules per gram ... liquid water's specific heat is 4 joules per gram per ºC ... or a total of 0.0000025ºC per year ... 400,000 years per ºC ... out of one side of your mouth you claim "30 years or longer" and out of the other side you use a data set only 25 years old ... I suppose you burn coal to complain about burning coal too ...
Preposterous ... Argo buoys are only sensitive to 0.002ºC ... it will be 800 years before they can read your climate forcing ... obviously you've never taken a science class or you would have known how to read a scientific instrument, like a thermometer ... yeesh ... you just don't seem to understand basic physics is all ... 10^22 joules is a tiny tiny amount of energy ...
0.2C per 1 W/m2 is a basic equilibrium sensitivity calculation ...
That's from Stefan/Boltzmann's Law ... and that describes the blackbody surface temperature ... and I used the greybody form typical of climatology ... this has absolutely nothing to do with sensitivity, your astrophysics is worse than your basic physics ... ... there's a citation in the formerly pinned thread that claims the delay is about 1/2 a second ... during that delay, the energy is in her kinetic form and can be measured with thermometers ... if you have 1.0 W/m^2 extra irradiation, the surface will be 0.2ºC warmer, on average ...
Feedbacks ... tell us about feedbacks ... if you bring up arctic ice and albedo, you will have to multiply by the cosine of latitude ... do you know how to multiply cosines? ...
One major negative feedback is precipitation ... look at an image of Earth in visible light ... see the white places reflecting all the sunlight back out into space ... yeah, albedo ... raising temperatures lowers irradiation, which in turn lowers temperatures ...
Your turn ...
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YES YES YES ... I know dammit ... you scuba divers can be quite please ... for now we'll let Anomalism work his magic force to show just how wrong he is ...
ReinyDays
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The IPCC report 5th edition is 7 times longer than the Holy Bible ... half as long as The Wheel of Time ... you must not read if you think the IPCC report is a "good read" ... I found most of what little I've read both dry and boring ... at the same time even ...
Why are the authors all identified with their political organization, rather than scientific organizations? ... Dr. Myles R. Allen is head of the Atmospheric Science Department at Oxford ... the IPCC report doesn't mention that, just his country of origin ...
We never see that in the scientific literature ... the IPCC is strictly a political organization ... and their report is pure philosophy ...
Chicago ..... yesterday. Daunting levels of global warming seen very clearly in this video
74K views · 1K reactions | #chicago | Chicago Today
JC....it's time brother. Time to team up on that business we discussed years ago and start selling nut sack warmers to the public. Call it....
WARM BALLS INC.
Stupid cold here in NYC too...for six weeks now... unabated btw
I need to start another of those historic threads in this forum. Remember it? Had like a billion views and many thousands of posts
This is a rate of change unseen in over 2,500 years.
And humans did it.
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You’re tying yourself in knots over units and missing the scale of the system.
Your ocean math is off because you mixed grams and kilograms and low balled the imbalance. 10²² joules per year into 1.4×10²¹ kg of ocean water gives roughly 0.002°C per year. That’s about 0.2°C per century, exactly the order of magnitude we observe. “Tiny per gram” multiplied by the entire ocean becomes climatically significant. That’s how integrals work.
Second, Argo precision. Yes, an individual float resolves about 0.002C. There are thousands of floats sampling the global ocean continuously. When you average large datasets over time and space, signal rises above instrument noise. That’s basic statistics. Ocean heat content trends are robust and independently confirmed.
Invoking F = ma doesn’t rescue your argument. Electromagnetic radiation is mediated by the EM force at the particle level, but climate isn’t modeled as rigid body mechanics. It’s an energy balance problem governed by radiative transfer and thermodynamics. Reduce outgoing infrared, and temperature rises until equilibrium is restored. The 0.2C per 1 W/m² is the no feedback Planck response; feedbacks increase total sensitivity, which matches observations.
You’re treating small annual changes as proof nothing is happening, while ignoring that climate is cumulative over decades. The math, the measurements, and the thermodynamics are internally consistent.
Anomalism
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Reports like that aren't written to be fun. Lol
It's a CLIMATE EMERGENCY!!!Chicago ..... yesterday. Daunting levels of global warming seen very clearly in this video
74K views · 1K reactions | #chicago | Chicago Today
JC....it's time brother. Time to team up on that business we discussed years ago and start selling nut sack warmers to the public. Call it....
WARM BALLS INC.
Stupid cold here in NYC too...for six weeks now... unabated btw
I need to start another of those historic threads in this forum. Remember it? Had like a billion views and many thousands of posts
Anathema
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Most of us don’t care…
I live in New England and haven’t entire life. I hate the weather/climste here and always have. I only stayed here as an adult vecausec25?yesrs aflgo we were promised that our weather/climate would be like South Carolina by now and my inland location would be beachfront property. I WAS LIED TO!!!!
Anomalism
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That's pretty clear.
Anathema
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Why should I care? I’m 51 years old. I have no kids. I’ll be long dead before any of this shit actually starts making significant impacts on the planet. Why should I care?
Anomalism
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I can't answer that question for you. You seem to at least acknowledge the science, though, which I can respect.
Your position is defensible enough that I'll leave it alone.
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