This can't possibly be a coincidence.

[DarkFury]

NO, because his premise is correct, the democrat run cities have done nothing in many cases for four plus decades on the local level. And its a direct reflection of democrat spending on social issues and NOT jobs or infrastructure.

Lots of people are making a lot of points that they are saying are facts, but how many people in this thread have actually provided links or data to back them up? Lutroo said St. Louis was one of the cities that had large black populations, when in fact is almost a 50/50 split with whites. Others have said that Democrats destroy cities. Well here is a list of the top 10 cities in the United States...here is the links and it shows who is the mayor of each city. Guess how many are Republicans?

Here is the top 10 cities of the Top 50 cities to live in the U.S. for 2015.

2015 Ranking of Top 100 Best Places to Live in America | Livability | Best Small to mid-sized U.S. Cities to Live

#1- Madison, Wisconsin - Mayor Paul Soglin (D)

Madison, Wisconsin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#2- Rochester, Minnesota - Mayor Ardell Brede (I)

Rochester, Minnesota - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#3- Arlington, Virginia- County no Mayor

Arlington County, Virginia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#4- Boulder, Colorado- Mayor Suzanne Jones (Unspecified)

Boulder, Colorado - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#5- Palo alto, California- Mayor Patrick Burt (Unspecified)

Palo Alto, California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#6- Berkeley, California- Mayor Tom Bates (D)

Berkeley, California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#7- Santa Clara, California- Mayor Lisa Gillmor (Unspecified)

Santa Clara, California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#8- Missoula, Montana- Mayor John Engen (D)

Missoula, Montana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#9- Boise, Idaho- Mayor David H. Bieter (D)

Boise, Idaho - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#10- Iowa City, Iowa- Mayor Jim Throgmorton (Unspecified)

Iowa City, Iowa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You really love twisting things around to make yourself look better. When looking at how well a city is doing, you have to go back a few decades to decide which party is responsible, as different parties can be elected from year to year. The ten cities I mentioned have been under exclusive control of liberals for decades. There is no one else to blame it on. They own this mess. No one else. Their LIBERAL policies have destroyed these cities economically.

Which "LIBERAL policies" destroyed their cities?

All of this takes place in a state and in a country. Could it be that the policies of both of these undermine what goes on in the cities?

Forty G-d damn years the city of Flint paid taxes for infrastructure improvement. Where did that tax money go? Did it just f#cking disappear? NO, democrats there STOLE tax money from the utility fund to pay for pet projects INSTEAD of what the money was collected for.

And democrats do that in every city they control. Now the cities are going broke because they can't meet their debt loads because of union contracts.

Democrats kept kicking the can down the road. Well guess what you moron? That road was a dead end. And citizens are dying because you democrats are outright stupid about money and BASIC social need.

So you just gave one example of a crappy group of politicians running one city. Do you want me to list all the Republican run cities with scandals where they stole money from the citizens or improperly ran their city?

Here are the top 20 cities going broke ALL Democrat.

1. Compton, Calif.
Compton has teetered on the brink of bankruptcy after it accrued a general-fund deficit of more than $40 million by borrowing from other funds, depleting what had been a $22 million reserve.

2. East Greenbush, N.Y.
A New York state audit concluded that years of fiscal mismanagement — including questionable employment contracts and illegal payments to town officials — left East Greenbush more than $2 million in debt.

3. Fresno, Calif.
Fresno had the ratings of its lease-revenue bonds downgraded to junk-level by Moody's, which also downgraded its convention center and pension obligation bonds due to the city's "exceedingly weak financial position."

4. Gulf County, Fla.
Fitch Ratings warned that Gulf County's predominately rural economy is "narrowly focused," with income levels one-quarter below national averages and economic indicators for the county also comparing unfavorably to national averages.

5. Harrisburg, Pa.
Harrisburg is at least $345 million in debt, thanks largely to municipal bonds it guaranteed in order to finance upgrades to its problematic waste-to-energy trash incinerator.

6. Irvington, N.J.
Irvington has a violent crime rate six times higher than New Jersey's average, with Moody's citing "wealth indicators below state and national averages and tax-base and population declines due to increased tax appeals and foreclosures."

7. Jefferson County, Ala.
Jefferson County, home to the city of Birmingham, has been dealing with the collapse of refinancing for a sewer bond. It filed for bankruptcy protection in 2011 over a $3.14 billion sewer bond debt.

8. Menasha, Wis.
Menasha defaulted on bonds in 2007 it had issued to fund a steam plant which has since closed and left the city permanently in the red and, as of 2011, had $16 million in general fund revenue, but had $43.4 million in outstanding debt.

9. Newburgh, N.Y.
Newburgh was cited by Moody's for "tax base erosion and a weak socioeconomic profile," with 26 percent of its population below the poverty line and its school district facing a $2 million budget gap.

10. Oakland, Calif.
Oakland is trying to get out of a Goldman Sachs-brokered interest rate swap that is costing it $4 million a year. According to a recent city audit, Oakland has lost $250 million from a 1997 pension obligation bond sale and subsequent investment strategy.

11. Philadelphia School District, Pa.
Philadelphia's school district, the nation's eighth-largest, faces a $304 million deficit in its $2.35 billion budget, and is seeking $133 million from labor-contract savings to prevent further cutbacks.

12. Pontiac, Mich.
Pontiac, where the emergency manager has restructured the city's finances, was downgraded by Moody's, reflecting the city's history of fiscal distress and narrow liquidity.

13. Providence, R.I.
Providence, rumored to be filing for bankruptcy for more than a year, experienced consecutive deficits through fiscal 2012, has a high-debt burden and significant unfunded pension liabilities, as well as high unemployment and low income levels.

14. Riverdale, Ill.
The credit rating for Riverdale is under review by Moody's because the city has not released an audit of interim or unaudited data for the year that ended April 30, 2012.

15. Salem, N.J.
Salem is under close fiscal supervision after it issued bonds to finance the construction of the Finlaw State Office Building, which was delayed by construction issues, and its leasing revenues are not enough to cover the debt payments and the maintenance fees.

16. Strafford County, N.H.
Strafford County regularly borrows money to cover its short-term cash needs after it spent two-fifths of its budget on a nursing home, which lost $36 million from 2004 to 2009.

17. Taylor, Mich.
Taylor has a large deficit and is vulnerable due to significant declines in the tax base, limited financial flexibility, and above-average unfunded pension obligations.

18. Vadnais Heights, Minn.
The St. Paul suburb of Vadnais Heights had its debt rating downgraded to junk last fall by Moody's after the city council voted to stop payments to a sports center financed by bonds.

19. Wenatchee, Wash.
Wenatchee defaulted on $42 million in debt associated with the Town Toyota Center, a multipurpose arena, and has ongoing financial issues due to the default.
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20. Woonsocket, R.I.
Woonsocket faces near-term liquidity shortages necessitating an advance in state aid, a high-debt burden and unfunded pension liabilities, with Moody's citing the city's continuing difficulties in making spending cuts because of poor management and imprecise accounting.

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[Lewdog]

Here is the top 10 cities of the Top 50 cities to live in the U.S. for 2015.

2015 Ranking of Top 100 Best Places to Live in America | Livability | Best Small to mid-sized U.S. Cities to Live

#1- Madison, Wisconsin - Mayor Paul Soglin (D) - The racial makeup of the city of the population.78.9% White, 7.3% African American, 0.4% Native American, 7.4% Asian, 2.9% from other races, and 3.1% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 6.8% of the p

Madison, Wisconsin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#2- Rochester, Minnesota - Mayor Ardell Brede (I)
The racial makeup of the city was 82.0% White, 6.3% African American, 0.3% Native American, 6.8% Asian (1.3% Indian, 1.2% Cambodian, 1.0% Chinese, 0.9% Vietnamese, 0.6% Laotian, 0.4% Korean, 0.4% Filipino, 0.2% Hmong, 0.1% Japanese, 0.1% Thai, 0.1% Pakistani), 2.0% from other races, and 2.6% from two or more races. Hispanic orLatino of any race were 5.2% of the population (3.7% Mexican, 0.3% Puerto Rican).
Rochester, Minnesota - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#3- Arlington, Virginia- County no Mayor

• 63.8% non-Hispanic White
• 8.9% Non-Hispanic Black or African American
• 0.8% Non-Hispanic Native American
• 9.9% Non-Hispanic Asian (2.0% Indian, 1.7% Chinese, 1.1% Filipino, 0.9% Korean, 0.7% Vietnamese, 2.7% Other Asian)
• 0.1% Pacific Islander
• 0.29% Non-Hispanic other races
• 3.0% Non-Hispanics reporting two or more race
• 15.4% of the population was Hispanic or Latino of any race (3.4% Salvadoran, 2.0% Bolivian, 1.7% Mexican, 1.5% Guatemalan, 0.8% Puerto Rican, 0.7% Peruvian, 0.6% Colombian)
• 28% of Arlington residents were foreign-born as of 2000.

Arlington County, Virginia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#4- Boulder, Colorado- Mayor Suzanne Jones (Unspecified)

88.0% White, 0.9% Black or African American, 0.4% Native American, 4.7% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 3.2% some other race, and 2.6% from two or more races. 8.7% of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race.[19]

Boulder, Colorado - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#5- Palo alto, California- Mayor Patrick Burt (Unspecified)

(64.2%) White, 17,461 (27.1%) Asian, 1,197 (1.9%) African American, 121 (0.2%) Native American, 142 (0.2%) Pacific Islander, 1,426 (2.2%) from other races, and 2,697 (4.2%) from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 3,974 persons (6.2%).

Palo Alto, California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


#6- Berkeley, California- Mayor Tom Bates (D)

The racial makeup of Berkeley was 66,996 (59.5%) White, 11,241 (10.0%) Black or African American, 479 (0.4%) Native American, 21,690 (19.3%) Asian (8.4% Chinese, 2.4% Indian, 2.1% Korean, 1.6% Japanese, 1.5% Filipino, 1.0% Vietnamese), 186 (0.2%) Pacific Islander, 4,994 (4.4%) from other races, and 6,994 (6.2%) from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 12,209 persons (10.8%). 6.8% of the city's population was of Mexican ancestry.

Berkeley, California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


#7- Santa Clara, California- Mayor Lisa Gillmor (Unspecified)

9 (45.0%) White, 3,154 (2.7%) African American, 579 (0.5%) Native American, 43,889 (37.7%) Asian (13.6% Indian, 6.9% Chinese, 6.2% Filipino, 3.9% Vietnamese, 3.0% Korean, 1.5% Japanese), 651 (0.6%) Pacific Islander, 9,624 (8.3%) from other races, and 6,212 (5.3%) from two or more races.Hispanic or Latino of any race were 22,589 persons (19.4%); 14.6% of Santa Clara's population was of Mexican ancestry.

Santa Clara, California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#8- Missoula, Montana- Mayor John Engen (D)

92.1% White, 0.5% African American, 2.8% Native American, 1.2% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 0.5% from other races, and 2.8% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.9% of the population.

Missoula, Montana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#9- Boise, Idaho- Mayor David H. Bieter (D)

The racial makeup of the city was 89.0% White, 1.5% African American, 0.7% Native American, 3.2% Asian, 0.2% Pacific Islander, 2.5% from other races, and 3.0% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 7.1% of the population.

Boise, Idaho - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The racial makeup of the city was 82.5% White, 5.8% African American, 0.2% Native American, 6.9%Asian, 2.1% from other races, and 2.5% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 5.3% of the population.

#10- Iowa City, Iowa- Mayor Jim Throgmorton (Unspecified)

Iowa City, Iowa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The political party of the mayor was mentioned in the previous post. Here are Some of the demographics.

What's your point? That post was made to show that not all Democratic run cities are failures, that in fact many are on the list of tops U.S. cities to live in. At no point did I say those cities had high Black populations.

 

[Jackson]

The 50 most violent cities in the world

Gotta be the blacks, or the Democrats, according to the Hitler Youth.

Seeing as the top 8 murder capitals are in the Americas

List of cities by murder rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Only one of the top 40 in outside of America. Apparently it's blacks that do it. If this were the case, then Africa would be more dangerous, right? Seeing as many Africans cities have higher number of blacks than American cities

Caracas, number one in the murder rate, is in a country with a 16% Black population.
San Pedro de Sula, a country with a 3% black population.

I'm thinking you're not onto something here.

You are making the mistake of implying that I, or someone else, said that skin color was to blame. I do not believe that anyone said that. However, the black culture, which votes democrat, are responsible for what's happening in these cities. Do you see the difference? Probably not. SIGH!

No, I'm not the one shouting you're a racist here.

Black culture? What is black culture? South African culture is different to Ghanaian culture, in fact there are many cultures within South Africa and maybe Ghana. And these are different to cultures in the Americas, and US black culture is different to black culture in other American countries and no doubt southern Black culture is different to northern or western Black culture.

"Black culture" doesn't exist.

However, take a look at history.

"All men are created equal" was stated in 1776. Slavery existed until 1865. Segregation existed until 1954. Even beyong slavery and segregation black people have suffered at the hands of some white people, especially in the South.

Moving on from there, many black people were under educated, or not educated at all. They moved to cities like Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore from the South. Others moved to New Orleans. Some stayed and worked for money in the South. The problem was opportunities for black people were not as good as for white people, education wasn't as good, separate and definitely not equal until 1954 and no doubt afterwards too.

The racist and bigoted whites (I'm not saying all whites were racist or bigoted) managed to keep things as they liked it. Restricting voting so white politicians always remained in charge, having education which was based on house prices, ie, black people were poor and then went to poor schools and found it difficult to move upwards.

A place like Detroit was car manufacturing. Jobs were in that industry and it wasn't a job that required amazing academic skills, so the people stayed, followed their fathers and grandfather and education wasn't pushed. It was about getting a job and working.

So it's hardly a surprise that when the auto industry had a massive downturn that a city like Detroit would deteriorate. Many have got out, many stay and crime is their only way of surviving.

Ghettos exist, a cycle of poverty and crime and single parent families and gangs and it's very, VERY hard to get out of that. You don't get educated then you have no options and so you stay and do what you have to do.

Black people have had a raw deal in the USA. The expression "everyone can make it in the USA" forgets that in a country only a certain number of people can actually "make it" and the powers that be want a cheap labor force and the blacks ended up as that and the rich had no desire to see this change, so kept as many as they could where they were.

Blacks are not the only people getting the "raw" deal. Anyone who did not continue with their education and acquire a trade or degree for a profession have had a hard time. And it is not going to stop if family units are fractured and the "easy way out" appeals to the underdog. Stop looking for hand outs and look for some business to give you a hand UP.

NAFTA and other trade deals have had major impacts on the middle class. If Trump is successful in bringing those jobs back to the US, we will see prices rising but more people would be employed and paying taxes. Let's make sure those getting these jobs are citizens and this may help keep the family unit intact.

No, blacks aren't the only ones getting raw deals.

Trump wants to bring back low paid jobs, it won't make the US a better place. He wants the US to be like China, and China has a lot of people with not much money.

I do not agree. The reason we have so many low paying jobs is that the illegals are bringing down the going hourly wages.

If we brought manufacturing back, we would have trained skilled workers working again and the administration would not be playing winners and losers with our skilled labor. Just look at Obama and his penchant for green energy ( Solyndra...a bust that cost tax payers bundles) and now work for coal miners.

Let's send the illegals back and bring our economy up to sustainable levels again.

 

[Jackson]

Here is the top 10 cities of the Top 50 cities to live in the U.S. for 2015.

2015 Ranking of Top 100 Best Places to Live in America | Livability | Best Small to mid-sized U.S. Cities to Live

#1- Madison, Wisconsin - Mayor Paul Soglin (D) - The racial makeup of the city of the population.78.9% White, 7.3% African American, 0.4% Native American, 7.4% Asian, 2.9% from other races, and 3.1% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 6.8% of the p

Madison, Wisconsin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#2- Rochester, Minnesota - Mayor Ardell Brede (I)
The racial makeup of the city was 82.0% White, 6.3% African American, 0.3% Native American, 6.8% Asian (1.3% Indian, 1.2% Cambodian, 1.0% Chinese, 0.9% Vietnamese, 0.6% Laotian, 0.4% Korean, 0.4% Filipino, 0.2% Hmong, 0.1% Japanese, 0.1% Thai, 0.1% Pakistani), 2.0% from other races, and 2.6% from two or more races. Hispanic orLatino of any race were 5.2% of the population (3.7% Mexican, 0.3% Puerto Rican).
Rochester, Minnesota - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#3- Arlington, Virginia- County no Mayor

• 63.8% non-Hispanic White
• 8.9% Non-Hispanic Black or African American
• 0.8% Non-Hispanic Native American
• 9.9% Non-Hispanic Asian (2.0% Indian, 1.7% Chinese, 1.1% Filipino, 0.9% Korean, 0.7% Vietnamese, 2.7% Other Asian)
• 0.1% Pacific Islander
• 0.29% Non-Hispanic other races
• 3.0% Non-Hispanics reporting two or more race
• 15.4% of the population was Hispanic or Latino of any race (3.4% Salvadoran, 2.0% Bolivian, 1.7% Mexican, 1.5% Guatemalan, 0.8% Puerto Rican, 0.7% Peruvian, 0.6% Colombian)
• 28% of Arlington residents were foreign-born as of 2000.

Arlington County, Virginia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#4- Boulder, Colorado- Mayor Suzanne Jones (Unspecified)

88.0% White, 0.9% Black or African American, 0.4% Native American, 4.7% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 3.2% some other race, and 2.6% from two or more races. 8.7% of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race.[19]

Boulder, Colorado - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#5- Palo alto, California- Mayor Patrick Burt (Unspecified)

(64.2%) White, 17,461 (27.1%) Asian, 1,197 (1.9%) African American, 121 (0.2%) Native American, 142 (0.2%) Pacific Islander, 1,426 (2.2%) from other races, and 2,697 (4.2%) from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 3,974 persons (6.2%).

Palo Alto, California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


#6- Berkeley, California- Mayor Tom Bates (D)

The racial makeup of Berkeley was 66,996 (59.5%) White, 11,241 (10.0%) Black or African American, 479 (0.4%) Native American, 21,690 (19.3%) Asian (8.4% Chinese, 2.4% Indian, 2.1% Korean, 1.6% Japanese, 1.5% Filipino, 1.0% Vietnamese), 186 (0.2%) Pacific Islander, 4,994 (4.4%) from other races, and 6,994 (6.2%) from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 12,209 persons (10.8%). 6.8% of the city's population was of Mexican ancestry.

Berkeley, California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


#7- Santa Clara, California- Mayor Lisa Gillmor (Unspecified)

9 (45.0%) White, 3,154 (2.7%) African American, 579 (0.5%) Native American, 43,889 (37.7%) Asian (13.6% Indian, 6.9% Chinese, 6.2% Filipino, 3.9% Vietnamese, 3.0% Korean, 1.5% Japanese), 651 (0.6%) Pacific Islander, 9,624 (8.3%) from other races, and 6,212 (5.3%) from two or more races.Hispanic or Latino of any race were 22,589 persons (19.4%); 14.6% of Santa Clara's population was of Mexican ancestry.

Santa Clara, California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#8- Missoula, Montana- Mayor John Engen (D)

92.1% White, 0.5% African American, 2.8% Native American, 1.2% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 0.5% from other races, and 2.8% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.9% of the population.

Missoula, Montana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#9- Boise, Idaho- Mayor David H. Bieter (D)

The racial makeup of the city was 89.0% White, 1.5% African American, 0.7% Native American, 3.2% Asian, 0.2% Pacific Islander, 2.5% from other races, and 3.0% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 7.1% of the population.

Boise, Idaho - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The racial makeup of the city was 82.5% White, 5.8% African American, 0.2% Native American, 6.9%Asian, 2.1% from other races, and 2.5% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 5.3% of the population.

#10- Iowa City, Iowa- Mayor Jim Throgmorton (Unspecified)

Iowa City, Iowa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The political party of the mayor was mentioned in the previous post. Here are Some of the demographics.

What's your point? That post was made to show that not all Democratic run cities are failures, that in fact many are on the list of tops U.S. cities to live in. At no point did I say those cities had high Black populations.

I thought there was a reference to race. After getting the data from this however, it seems that political party is not a factor of a successful city, but rather the make up of the population. Take a look.

 

[OKTexas]

Add another racist to the board... Not very Christian of you.

How is stating the facts racist? Please explain your reasoning for this belief. I have stated the facts. Nothing else. You must be a liberal. You're pretty handy with that race card.

Well the fact that the one stat you state is that they have high black populations, instead of things about the jobless rates, or low incomes, or low education scores... that shows you are racist.

So you think there is an excuse for criminality? Really?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Add another racist to the board... Not very Christian of you.

How is stating the facts racist? Please explain your reasoning for this belief. I have stated the facts. Nothing else. You must be a liberal. You're pretty handy with that race card.

The implication that a large black population or Democrats are the cause of these cities being dangerous, when neither is true. That you think this is true, makes you a racist.

ALL of the largest cities in America have liberal governments. There are no large conservative cities in the US. The biggest is Jacksonville, Florida, with a population in excess of 800,000. Oklahoma City is next largest with 600,000. The rest in the top 10 list are at just over 400,000, or less.

The 10 most conservative (and liberal) cities in America

What I saw in when I was in Baltimore was poverty. Poor people are desperate people, and where you have desperation, you have drugs and violence.

Here's what the Business Insider had to say about Baltimore:

These maps show the depth of Baltimore's inequality problem

and another take on it:

City Observatory - Baltimore’s problems belong to 2015, not 1968

LOL! Why do you think these cities are poor in the first place? It is because of being run into the ground by liberal democrats. In fact. You cannot point to one city, that has been controlled by democrats for several decades, that is not a financial ruin. Show me one. Just one. You can't. Or, at least, I'll be very surprised if you can.

Henderson, Nevada.

Current mayor is Andy A. Hafen who is a Democrat
Previous mayor was James B. Gibson, a Democrat

I can't find political affiliations for other mayors, however this takes us back 20 years, and it has some of the lowest crime, violent crime and murder rates for a city of over 250,000 people.

 

[Lewdog]

"The problem with that meme is that it has no basis in reality: the more prosperous and Democrat-leaning areas of the United States are likely to be subsidizing dysfunctional “red states,” many of which are suffering from insufficient tax revenue and an abundance of low-wage workers who don’t have much to tax. Tea Party Republicans like to point out that poor cities like Detroit, Baltimore and Camden, New Jersey are run by Democrats, but they neglect to mention that some of the most affluent parts of the United States—from Manhattan to the Silicon Valley and the San Francisco Bay Area to Cambridge, MA to Seattle to Chicago’s North Shore suburbs—are dominated by the Democratic Party. People in those heavily Democratic areas pay a lot of federal income taxes, and quite often, their tax dollars go to red states."

10 red states that mooch off the federal government

 

[frigidweirdo]

Seeing as the top 8 murder capitals are in the Americas

List of cities by murder rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Only one of the top 40 in outside of America. Apparently it's blacks that do it. If this were the case, then Africa would be more dangerous, right? Seeing as many Africans cities have higher number of blacks than American cities

Caracas, number one in the murder rate, is in a country with a 16% Black population.
San Pedro de Sula, a country with a 3% black population.

I'm thinking you're not onto something here.

You are making the mistake of implying that I, or someone else, said that skin color was to blame. I do not believe that anyone said that. However, the black culture, which votes democrat, are responsible for what's happening in these cities. Do you see the difference? Probably not. SIGH!

No, I'm not the one shouting you're a racist here.

Black culture? What is black culture? South African culture is different to Ghanaian culture, in fact there are many cultures within South Africa and maybe Ghana. And these are different to cultures in the Americas, and US black culture is different to black culture in other American countries and no doubt southern Black culture is different to northern or western Black culture.

"Black culture" doesn't exist.

However, take a look at history.

"All men are created equal" was stated in 1776. Slavery existed until 1865. Segregation existed until 1954. Even beyong slavery and segregation black people have suffered at the hands of some white people, especially in the South.

Moving on from there, many black people were under educated, or not educated at all. They moved to cities like Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore from the South. Others moved to New Orleans. Some stayed and worked for money in the South. The problem was opportunities for black people were not as good as for white people, education wasn't as good, separate and definitely not equal until 1954 and no doubt afterwards too.

The racist and bigoted whites (I'm not saying all whites were racist or bigoted) managed to keep things as they liked it. Restricting voting so white politicians always remained in charge, having education which was based on house prices, ie, black people were poor and then went to poor schools and found it difficult to move upwards.

A place like Detroit was car manufacturing. Jobs were in that industry and it wasn't a job that required amazing academic skills, so the people stayed, followed their fathers and grandfather and education wasn't pushed. It was about getting a job and working.

So it's hardly a surprise that when the auto industry had a massive downturn that a city like Detroit would deteriorate. Many have got out, many stay and crime is their only way of surviving.

Ghettos exist, a cycle of poverty and crime and single parent families and gangs and it's very, VERY hard to get out of that. You don't get educated then you have no options and so you stay and do what you have to do.

Black people have had a raw deal in the USA. The expression "everyone can make it in the USA" forgets that in a country only a certain number of people can actually "make it" and the powers that be want a cheap labor force and the blacks ended up as that and the rich had no desire to see this change, so kept as many as they could where they were.

Blacks are not the only people getting the "raw" deal. Anyone who did not continue with their education and acquire a trade or degree for a profession have had a hard time. And it is not going to stop if family units are fractured and the "easy way out" appeals to the underdog. Stop looking for hand outs and look for some business to give you a hand UP.

NAFTA and other trade deals have had major impacts on the middle class. If Trump is successful in bringing those jobs back to the US, we will see prices rising but more people would be employed and paying taxes. Let's make sure those getting these jobs are citizens and this may help keep the family unit intact.

No, blacks aren't the only ones getting raw deals.

Trump wants to bring back low paid jobs, it won't make the US a better place. He wants the US to be like China, and China has a lot of people with not much money.

I do not agree. The reason we have so many low paying jobs is that the illegals are bringing down the going hourly wages.

If we brought manufacturing back, we would have trained skilled workers working again and the administration would not be playing winners and losers with our skilled labor. Just look at Obama and his penchant for green energy ( Solyndra...a bust that cost tax payers bundles) and now work for coal miners.

Let's send the illegals back and bring our economy up to sustainable levels again.

That can be a part of it. But many illegals are doing low paid jobs. The more low paid jobs you have, the more people doing low paid jobs you have. If the US then goes and increases the number of low paid jobs, what do you think the impact will be?

 

[Lewdog]

Add another racist to the board... Not very Christian of you.

How is stating the facts racist? Please explain your reasoning for this belief. I have stated the facts. Nothing else. You must be a liberal. You're pretty handy with that race card.

Well the fact that the one stat you state is that they have high black populations, instead of things about the jobless rates, or low incomes, or low education scores... that shows you are racist.

So you think there is an excuse for criminality? Really?

Actually, that's what I study in college, and no I did not say there was "an excuse" for criminality, but there are factors in it.

 

[Dragonlady]

Let's say, for a moment, that you are correct about the other problems. It is equally fallacious to claim that these other problems are responsible, and not democratic policies. There is also the fact that the top ten worst cities are controlled by democrats. That is not a fallacy. It's a pattern. It's an epidemic. And you're full of it. You can swallow, or spit it out. Your choice.

ALL large cities are controlled by Democrats. The good ones, the bad ones, and the ones in-between, so your premise fails, so no, it's not a pattern, or an epidemic.

You hate blacks and Democrats. We get that. Unless you can back up your bullshit with something better than what you've posted so far, you got nothing.

 

[Lutroo]

Add another racist to the board... Not very Christian of you.

How is stating the facts racist? Please explain your reasoning for this belief. I have stated the facts. Nothing else. You must be a liberal. You're pretty handy with that race card.

Well the fact that the one stat you state is that they have high black populations, instead of things about the jobless rates, or low incomes, or low education scores... that shows you are racist.

So you think there is an excuse for criminality? Really?

He doesn't think. That's his problem.

 

[Lewdog]

Add another racist to the board... Not very Christian of you.

How is stating the facts racist? Please explain your reasoning for this belief. I have stated the facts. Nothing else. You must be a liberal. You're pretty handy with that race card.

Well the fact that the one stat you state is that they have high black populations, instead of things about the jobless rates, or low incomes, or low education scores... that shows you are racist.

So you think there is an excuse for criminality? Really?

He doesn't think. That's his problem.

I've forgotten more than your racist mind will ever hold. Once again, where is your facts, your sources, your links? You have none. Your argument has no basis, and is only rooted in your skin head little mind.

Why have so many racist popped up on this forum lately?

 

[Lutroo]

Add another racist to the board... Not very Christian of you.

How is stating the facts racist? Please explain your reasoning for this belief. I have stated the facts. Nothing else. You must be a liberal. You're pretty handy with that race card.

The implication that a large black population or Democrats are the cause of these cities being dangerous, when neither is true. That you think this is true, makes you a racist.

ALL of the largest cities in America have liberal governments. There are no large conservative cities in the US. The biggest is Jacksonville, Florida, with a population in excess of 800,000. Oklahoma City is next largest with 600,000. The rest in the top 10 list are at just over 400,000, or less.

The 10 most conservative (and liberal) cities in America

What I saw in when I was in Baltimore was poverty. Poor people are desperate people, and where you have desperation, you have drugs and violence.

Here's what the Business Insider had to say about Baltimore:

These maps show the depth of Baltimore's inequality problem

and another take on it:

City Observatory - Baltimore’s problems belong to 2015, not 1968

LOL! Why do you think these cities are poor in the first place? It is because of being run into the ground by liberal democrats. In fact. You cannot point to one city, that has been controlled by democrats for several decades, that is not a financial ruin. Show me one. Just one. You can't. Or, at least, I'll be very surprised if you can.

Henderson, Nevada.

Current mayor is Andy A. Hafen who is a Democrat
Previous mayor was James B. Gibson, a Democrat

I can't find political affiliations for other mayors, however this takes us back 20 years, and it has some of the lowest crime, violent crime and murder rates for a city of over 250,000 people.

It would be interesting to see the composition of the city council during their tenure. The story is not complete without that. Just as Congress can balk the President, the City council can have a major impact on what actually does or doesn't get done. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[Lutroo]

Add another racist to the board... Not very Christian of you.

How is stating the facts racist? Please explain your reasoning for this belief. I have stated the facts. Nothing else. You must be a liberal. You're pretty handy with that race card.

Well the fact that the one stat you state is that they have high black populations, instead of things about the jobless rates, or low incomes, or low education scores... that shows you are racist.

So you think there is an excuse for criminality? Really?

He doesn't think. That's his problem.

I've forgotten more than your racist mind will ever hold. Once again, where is your facts, your sources, your links? You have none. Your argument has no basis, and is only rooted in your skin head little mind.

Why have so many racist popped up on this forum lately?

 

[Lewdog]

New Orleans is a huge vacation destination, how much of their crime was caused by visitors and not people that live there?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Add another racist to the board... Not very Christian of you.

How is stating the facts racist? Please explain your reasoning for this belief. I have stated the facts. Nothing else. You must be a liberal. You're pretty handy with that race card.

The implication that a large black population or Democrats are the cause of these cities being dangerous, when neither is true. That you think this is true, makes you a racist.

ALL of the largest cities in America have liberal governments. There are no large conservative cities in the US. The biggest is Jacksonville, Florida, with a population in excess of 800,000. Oklahoma City is next largest with 600,000. The rest in the top 10 list are at just over 400,000, or less.

The 10 most conservative (and liberal) cities in America

What I saw in when I was in Baltimore was poverty. Poor people are desperate people, and where you have desperation, you have drugs and violence.

Here's what the Business Insider had to say about Baltimore:

These maps show the depth of Baltimore's inequality problem

and another take on it:

City Observatory - Baltimore’s problems belong to 2015, not 1968

LOL! Why do you think these cities are poor in the first place? It is because of being run into the ground by liberal democrats. In fact. You cannot point to one city, that has been controlled by democrats for several decades, that is not a financial ruin. Show me one. Just one. You can't. Or, at least, I'll be very surprised if you can.

Henderson, Nevada.

Current mayor is Andy A. Hafen who is a Democrat
Previous mayor was James B. Gibson, a Democrat

I can't find political affiliations for other mayors, however this takes us back 20 years, and it has some of the lowest crime, violent crime and murder rates for a city of over 250,000 people.

It would be interesting to see the composition of the city council during their tenure. The story is not complete without that. Just as Congress can balk the President, the City council can have a major impact on what actually does or doesn't get done. Wouldn't you agree?

Well, I'd say different city councils and mayors have different powers. To the point that if you were going to look into this, you'd need a ton of information.

You'd need all of that AND state information, what laws were passed by the states that may or may not have limited what the cities could do, the affluence of the city, the impact federal Congressmen and women had and so on and on and on.

 

[Jackson]

You are making the mistake of implying that I, or someone else, said that skin color was to blame. I do not believe that anyone said that. However, the black culture, which votes democrat, are responsible for what's happening in these cities. Do you see the difference? Probably not. SIGH!

No, I'm not the one shouting you're a racist here.

Black culture? What is black culture? South African culture is different to Ghanaian culture, in fact there are many cultures within South Africa and maybe Ghana. And these are different to cultures in the Americas, and US black culture is different to black culture in other American countries and no doubt southern Black culture is different to northern or western Black culture.

"Black culture" doesn't exist.

However, take a look at history.

"All men are created equal" was stated in 1776. Slavery existed until 1865. Segregation existed until 1954. Even beyong slavery and segregation black people have suffered at the hands of some white people, especially in the South.

Moving on from there, many black people were under educated, or not educated at all. They moved to cities like Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore from the South. Others moved to New Orleans. Some stayed and worked for money in the South. The problem was opportunities for black people were not as good as for white people, education wasn't as good, separate and definitely not equal until 1954 and no doubt afterwards too.

The racist and bigoted whites (I'm not saying all whites were racist or bigoted) managed to keep things as they liked it. Restricting voting so white politicians always remained in charge, having education which was based on house prices, ie, black people were poor and then went to poor schools and found it difficult to move upwards.

A place like Detroit was car manufacturing. Jobs were in that industry and it wasn't a job that required amazing academic skills, so the people stayed, followed their fathers and grandfather and education wasn't pushed. It was about getting a job and working.

So it's hardly a surprise that when the auto industry had a massive downturn that a city like Detroit would deteriorate. Many have got out, many stay and crime is their only way of surviving.

Ghettos exist, a cycle of poverty and crime and single parent families and gangs and it's very, VERY hard to get out of that. You don't get educated then you have no options and so you stay and do what you have to do.

Black people have had a raw deal in the USA. The expression "everyone can make it in the USA" forgets that in a country only a certain number of people can actually "make it" and the powers that be want a cheap labor force and the blacks ended up as that and the rich had no desire to see this change, so kept as many as they could where they were.

Blacks are not the only people getting the "raw" deal. Anyone who did not continue with their education and acquire a trade or degree for a profession have had a hard time. And it is not going to stop if family units are fractured and the "easy way out" appeals to the underdog. Stop looking for hand outs and look for some business to give you a hand UP.

NAFTA and other trade deals have had major impacts on the middle class. If Trump is successful in bringing those jobs back to the US, we will see prices rising but more people would be employed and paying taxes. Let's make sure those getting these jobs are citizens and this may help keep the family unit intact.

No, blacks aren't the only ones getting raw deals.

Trump wants to bring back low paid jobs, it won't make the US a better place. He wants the US to be like China, and China has a lot of people with not much money.

I do not agree. The reason we have so many low paying jobs is that the illegals are bringing down the going hourly wages.

If we brought manufacturing back, we would have trained skilled workers working again and the administration would not be playing winners and losers with our skilled labor. Just look at Obama and his penchant for green energy ( Solyndra...a bust that cost tax payers bundles) and now work for coal miners.

Let's send the illegals back and bring our economy up to sustainable levels again.

That can be a part of it. But many illegals are doing low paid jobs. The more low paid jobs you have, the more people doing low paid jobs you have. If the US then goes and increases the number of low paid jobs, what do you think the impact will be?

Some of these jobs are just taking advantage of illegals. I would like to see a law ( and there may be one on the books) that fine employers for hiring illegals. I would like it to be a substantial fine of $10,000 for each illegal. As they would find that to be cost prohibitive, the current wage should be increased to $10.00 an hour for the most menial of jobs. That would result in $400 a wk in gross wages.

 

[Jackson]

New Orleans is a huge vacation destination, how much of their crime was caused by visitors and not people that live there?

link?

 

[Lewdog]

How is stating the facts racist? Please explain your reasoning for this belief. I have stated the facts. Nothing else. You must be a liberal. You're pretty handy with that race card.

Well the fact that the one stat you state is that they have high black populations, instead of things about the jobless rates, or low incomes, or low education scores... that shows you are racist.

So you think there is an excuse for criminality? Really?

He doesn't think. That's his problem.

I've forgotten more than your racist mind will ever hold. Once again, where is your facts, your sources, your links? You have none. Your argument has no basis, and is only rooted in your skin head little mind.

Why have so many racist popped up on this forum lately?

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[OKTexas]

Add another racist to the board... Not very Christian of you.

How is stating the facts racist? Please explain your reasoning for this belief. I have stated the facts. Nothing else. You must be a liberal. You're pretty handy with that race card.

Well the fact that the one stat you state is that they have high black populations, instead of things about the jobless rates, or low incomes, or low education scores... that shows you are racist.

So you think there is an excuse for criminality? Really?

Actually, that's what I study in college, and no I did not say there was "an excuse" for criminality, but there are factors in it.

The only factor in it is not giving a shit about your fellow man. My fathers family grew up as poor as you can get, 9 kids, father died young of TB, all were successful people, none spent one day in jail. In fact a couple died millionaires.