They Said Biden Wouldn’t Come for Our Guns. The Plan Says Otherwise.

[alang1216]

Thus, your concession of your argument for anything that does not involve carrying a gun in public.

There already restrictions on what gun you are entitled to buy. Would you want to remove them all?

 

[alang1216]

If you are at all familiar with current jurisprudence, you know the answer to your question is, unarguably, yes.

If so, your rights are already 'infringed'. I'm advocating for tweaking the existing infringements.

 

[alang1216]

Carrying a gun in public is a right held by the people and protected by the 2nd Amendment.
Unless you can show that a legal requirement for training before someone could legally carry a gun in public is "consistent with the Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation", then said requirement violates the constitution.
Note that the term in quotes refers to laws prevalent during the ratification era.

Should this then apply to the type of arms prevalent during the ratification era?

Welcome to existing federal law.

I just want the existing law to be effective, I don't believe they currently are.

 

[alang1216]

The fact we live in a free society allows school shootings to occur.

Who lives in a 'free' society? Certainly not we in the US, but you make a good case for mass murder.

 

[alang1216]

And yet, that's exactly what you want to do.

No, that was what ding wants. He said it was adequate to enforce the laws once they are broken. I prefer prevention.

 

[ding]

Is a requirement to register and know how to use your own gun an 'infringement'?

Maybe. What's the 2nd Amendment say?

 

[ding]

Not everyone thinks shutting the barn door after the horse is gone is the proper way to do things.

Then you must be upset with all the criminals getting convicted after they commit crimes, right?

 

[ding]

No, that was what ding wants. He said it was adequate to enforce the laws once they are broken. I prefer prevention.

Did I say that? Can you use the quote feature to refresh our memories?

 

[Jarlaxle]

There already restrictions on what gun you are entitled to buy. Would you want to remove them all?

I would.

 

[alang1216]

Maybe. What's the 2nd Amendment say?

Nothing about what constitutes an infringement.

 

[alang1216]

Then you must be upset with all the criminals getting convicted after they commit crimes, right?

Do you lock your door when you leave your house or car or do you feel secure since burglary is a crime.

 

[alang1216]

Did I say that? Can you use the quote feature to refresh our memories?

You wrote this. Did I misconstrue your point?

 

[ding]

Nothing about what constitutes an infringement.

But what does it say?

 

[ding]

Do you lock your door when you leave your house or car or do you feel secure since burglary is a crime.

Sometimes. What's your point? Because the laws against someone breaking into my house or car act as a deterrent? Locking the doors are more of a barrier. If there were no laws against breaking into my house, do you think my locked doors would stop them better than my gun would?

 

[ding]

You wrote this. Did I misconstrue your point?

Yes. Absolutely. But I'll let you be the judge by putting my quote side by side with your interpretation of what I said.

2nd amendment rights which peaceable law abiding citizens should NOT have infringed upon because of bad acts a very tiny minority. For which there are already laws in place to deal with them.

He said it was adequate to enforce the laws once they are broken.

 

[alang1216]

I would.

Would you restrict ownership of miniguns?

 

[ding]

Would you restrict ownership of miniguns?

How about semi automatic firearms with high capacity magazines?

 

[alang1216]

Sometimes. What's your point? Because the laws against someone breaking into my house or car act as a deterrent? Locking the doors are more of a barrier. If there were no laws against breaking into my house, do you think my locked doors would stop them better than my gun would?

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

 

[alang1216]

Yes. Absolutely. But I'll let you be the judge by putting my quote side by side with your interpretation of what I said.

Thanks for the clarification, I was pretty sure I got it right.

 

[ding]

There already restrictions on what gun you are entitled to buy. Would you want to remove them all?

Just the ones that limit what any light infantry ought to have. Which today would be semi-automatic firearms with high capacity magazines.