They Said Biden Wouldn’t Come for Our Guns. The Plan Says Otherwise.

[alang1216]

Driving is a privilege granted even to repeat drunk drivers.

Sad but true. How many deaths has this led to?

 

[ding]

Unfortunately that is the sort of thinking that allows school shootings to occur.

That's not true. School shootings - or any shooting for that matter - occur because of the choices individuals make. You can't transfer their accountability to society. I think you need to be honest about what you really want. Because statistics say this isn't a systemic problem. But there will always be one off events that will make you argue for more and more restrictions until ultimately the only thing left is banning and confiscation. That's what you really want. Because there will always be crisis. That's never going to stop.

 

[Woodznutz]

Sad but true. How many deaths has this led to?

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[ding]

Both are dangerous and shouldn't be used by criminals, juveniles, and incompetent.

Both are tools that are used to serve a purpose. That's the only similarity. As for the criminals, juveniles and incompetent, they are all driving cars. That you see both as dangerous tells me that you are single issue focused which is not a good way to arrive at objective truth.

 

[alang1216]

That's not true. School shootings - or any shooting for that matter - occur because of the choices individuals make. You can't transfer their accountability to society. I think you need to be honest about what you really want. Because statistics say this isn't a systemic problem. But there will always be one off events that will make you argue for more and more restrictions until ultimately the only thing left is banning and confiscation. That's what you really want. Because there will always be crisis. That's never going to stop.

Classic slippery slope argument for doing nothing.

 

[alang1216]

Both are tools that are used to serve a purpose. That's the only similarity. As for the criminals, juveniles and incompetent, they are all driving cars. That you see both as dangerous tells me that you are single issue focused which is not a good way to arrive at objective truth.

Are you in favor of criminals, juveniles and the incompetent driving cars? Are you in favor of criminals, juveniles and the incompetent owning guns?

 

[ding]

Classic slippery slope argument for doing nothing.

No. 2nd amendment rights which peaceable law abiding citizens should NOT have infringed upon because of bad acts a very tiny minority. For which there are already laws in place to deal with them.

 

[ding]

Are you in favor of criminals, juveniles and the incompetent driving cars? Are you in favor of criminals, juveniles and the incompetent owning guns?

They are already driving cars and there are laws in place to prevent them from owning firearms.

 

[alang1216]

No. 2nd amendment rights which peaceable law abiding citizens should have infringed upon because of bad acts a very tiny minority. For which there are already laws in place to deal with them.

Is a requirement to register and know how to use your own gun an 'infringement'?

 

[alang1216]

They are already driving cars and there are laws in place to prevent them from owning firearms.

Not everyone thinks shutting the barn door after the horse is gone is the proper way to do things.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Real life is the intersection of your rights and my rights

Real life is that my right to keep and bear arms, as protected by the 2nd Amendment does not intersect your rights.

Your irrational fear is insufficient grounds for restrictions on my rights.

 

[M14 Shooter]

That is what Virginia requires of new drivers...

VA does not require any sort of training or license to buy a car, own a car, keep you car on your property, or use your car on private property.
Further, if you commit a crime with a car, you get to keep all the cars you own - maybe even the car you committed a crime with - and can buy as many more cars as you want.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Carrying it in public does since I'm the public.

Thus, your concession of your argument for anything that does not involve carrying a gun in public.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Is a requirement to register and know how to use your own gun an 'infringement'?

If you are at all familiar with current jurisprudence, you know the answer to your question is, unarguably, yes.

 

[M14 Shooter]

One is people carrying them around in public. If adequate training is required, great news.

Carrying a gun in public is a right held by the people and protected by the 2nd Amendment.
Unless you can show that a legal requirement for training before someone could legally carry a gun in public is "consistent with the Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation", then said requirement violates the constitution.
Note that the term in quotes refers to laws prevalent during the ratification era.

The other part is who can own a gun. I think criminals, juveniles, and the mentally incompetent should not have the right to own a gun.

Welcome to existing federal law.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Unfortunately that is the sort of thinking that allows school shootings to occur.

The fact we live in a free society allows school shootings to occur.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Not everyone thinks shutting the barn door after the horse is gone is the proper way to do things.

And yet, that's exactly what you want to do.

 

[Failzero]

7 out of every 10 Mass shooters of the last 25 years were on at the time of the shooting or had previously been on SSRIs

 

[alang1216]

Real life is that my right to keep and bear arms, as protected by the 2nd Amendment does not intersect your rights.

Your irrational fear is insufficient grounds for restrictions on my rights.

In real life, no right is absolute. You have a 1st Amendment right to free speech but we also have libel and slander laws. Same with the 2nd, there are many restrictions on what kind of gun you can buy. I'm just an advocate for tweaking the restrictions already in place.

 

[alang1216]

VA does not require any sort of training or license to buy a car, own a car, keep you car on your property, or use your car on private property.
Further, if you commit a crime with a car, you get to keep all the cars you own - maybe even the car you committed a crime with - and can buy as many more cars as you want.

You make a good case for the rights of criminals but the right to use your car can be regulated.