They don't want to investigate?

[Darlo kittu]

She would be alive today if the ICE agent followed guidelines instead of criminally pumping her full of lead.

Don't get in front of a car, do what you can to get out of the way, don't use deadly force to prevent un-armed suspect from fleeing.

She would be alive If she was not part of a convoy to track and impede ICE

She would be alive If she would have got.out of the car when told

She would be alive If she would not have tried to flee and hit a law enforcement officer with her car

End of story and a blond bimbo

 

[berg80]

That makes no sense. You did nothing to explain why my point was false, and your citing the video, did nothing to support your claim to know what the justice department was thinking...

In response to Anton's question asking why not do an investigation you claimed the reason was "Because we are in a period of civil unrest, looking at the real possiblity of a civil war."

I said the reason is due to what the video analysis reveals. Specifically, the excessive, unjustified use of force by Ross.

See post #357 for an explanation of why your assertion on the state of the nation is misguided.

 

[hadit]

She would be alive today if the officer followed guidelines instead of criminally pumping her full of lead.

Don't get in front of a car, don't use deadly force to prevent un-armed suspect from fleeing.

Exactly, and her responsibility as a driver is to stop the vehicle if someone is anywhere near the front of it, and to get out of the car when armed LE is telling her to at gunpoint. If they are in the wrong, she gets a big payday when she sues them and is still alive today.

Here's the rub. It's extremely foolish to try and outrun a bullet. Most of us know that. Let's put it another way. Should drivers do everything possible to avoid hitting pedestrians or is it okay to recklessly take off when someone is standing in front of your car? IOW, if an anti-ICE protestor is standing at the front corner of your car, is it okay to take off, possibly hitting him in the process?

 

[hadit]

She would be alive today if the ICE agent followed guidelines instead of criminally pumping her full of lead.

Don't get in front of a car, do what you can to get out of the way, don't use deadly force to prevent un-armed suspect from fleeing.

Does that rationale apply to liberal protestors blocking roads and impeding traffic? It sounds like you're saying it would be okay to hit them.

Don't get in front of a car, do what you can to get out of the way, don't throw heavy or sharp objects at the car and its unarmed occupants. Does that sound like good advice to give liberal protestors?

 

[berg80]

IOW, she was trying to provoke the officers to take action.

After all this time you still haven't watched the available videos? The shooting would not have happened if ICE agents had calmly approached her car and told her she'd be arrested if she didn't move it. But they were angry and looking for a confrontation. Which is why one agent told her to get out of the car while reaching in through the window trying to open the door and forcibly remove her from the car.

 

[AntonToo]

Exactly, and her responsibility as a driver is to stop the vehicle if someone is anywhere near the front of it, and to get out of the car when armed LE is telling her to at gunpoint. If they are in the wrong, she gets a big payday when she sues them and is still alive today.

You don't seem to understand that more than one thing cold be true.

It could be true that Good broke a law, while ALSO being true that it was criminal to then kill her for it.

There are guidelines for when use of deadly force is permitted - when officer can't get out of the way (Ross could and did) and if suspect reasonably presents grave danger to someone else (Good did not). Officer is not permitted to create a use of deadly force scenario by trying to prevent suspect from fleeing by getting in front of the car.

For those reasons administration is blocking standard investigation of use of deadly force in this killing - they know this agent is going to jail for a long time if they allow career professionals at it.

 

[hadit]

After all this time you still haven't watched the available videos? The shooting would not have happened if ICE agents had calmly approached her car and told her she'd be arrested if she didn't move it. But they were angry and looking for a confrontation. Which is why one agent told her to get out of the car while reaching in through the window trying to open the door and forcibly remove her from the car.

There were multiple points at which the entire situation could have had a far different outcome. The problem is, you are assuming that she would have cooperated had the agents done exactly what you said, but that is not in evidence, and we simply cannot make that assumption.

Heck, it's possible that they would have shot her even if she had cooperated instead of foolishly trying to outrun a bullet. Unlikely, but possible. The bottom line is, she did not make a smart choice.

 

[Lesh]

You don't seem to understand that more than one thing cold be true.

It could be true that Good broke a law, while ALSO being true that it was criminal to then kill her for it.

There are guidelines for when use of deadly force is permitted - when officer can't get out of the way (Ross could and did) and if suspect reasonably presents grave danger to someone else (Good did not). Officer is not permitted to create a deadly use of force scenario by trying to prevent suspect from fleeing by getting in front of the car.

For those reasons administration is blocking standard investigation of use of deadly force - they know this agent is going to jail for a long time if they allow career professionals at it.

And Trump doesn’t want to have to pardon ANOTHER criminal

 

[hadit]

You don't seem to understand that more than one thing cold be true.

It could be true that Good broke a law, while ALSO being true that it was criminal to then kill her for it.

That is very true. What is not controversial, however, is that she made a very foolish choice attempting to outrun a bullet. If you're going to protest and if you're going to deliberately attempt to provoke an agent into a response, either do what they tell you or be prepared for an unpleasant reaction.

There are guidelines for when use of deadly force is permitted - when officer can't get out of the way (Ross could and did) and if suspect reasonably presents grave danger to someone else (Good did not). Officer is not permitted to create a deadly use of force scenario by trying to prevent suspect from fleeing by getting in front of the car.

I would like to see that same standard applied to liberal protestors blocking roads and impeding traffic. Get out of the road, you're only going to get someone killed.

For those reasons administration is blocking standard investigation of use of deadly force - they know this agent is going to jail for a long time if they do.

Not even worth reacting to.

 

[hadit]

And Trump doesn’t want to have to pardon ANOTHER criminal

Why not? He's nowhere close to reaching the record.

 

[AntonToo]

That is very true. What is not controversial, however, is that she made a very foolish choice attempting to outrun a bullet.

Again, that is IRRELAVANT TO THE ISSUE.

At issue is agent's improper use of deadly force and administration that is now blocking due investigation of it.

If they keep blocking it there will be nation-wide Floyd 2.0 mass protesting until this is properly investigated. The people will not tolerate such blatant political interference and injustice.

 

[hadit]

Again, that is IRRELAVANT TO THE ISSUE.

Not when we're talking about how to stay alive when confronted by LE.

At issue is agent's improper use of deadly force and administration that is now blocking due investigation of it.

Oh, there should certainly be an investigation, and I do not for a moment believe they're not already conducting one internally. They just don't see a need to let you watch.

 

[Mac-7]

I have learned that trump's cult members have been radicalized to a point where they will believe whatever nonsense is necessary to keep themselves from having to admit they made, and are making, a colossal error in judgement by supporting him.

What you learned is wrong

There is much wrong with the left that MAGAs see and understand

 

[berg80]

Exactly, and her responsibility as a driver is to stop the vehicle if someone is anywhere near the front of it

One of the things the footage taken from Ross's phone makes very clear is Good was turning the wheel of her car to the right, to avoid him, as she began to pull away.

She was surrounded by armed, masked, paramilitary agents. Do you really think she thought she'd get away with running Ross over? I don't. Which is why she turned sharply to the right so as to avoid him. As shown in one video from the NYT analysis taken from an angle in front of and to the right of her car. A video showing his feet sliding on the pavement away from her car as she begins to leave, while never being in danger of being run over.

 

[Mac-7]

....nobody is looking at "real possibility" of civil war except cockoo for coco puffs nutbags like you.

There is no will, no real reason and no capacity.

Elected democrat officials in minnesota are engaging in the opening moves of a civil war right now

Your side is whipping up crowds of lib wackos in the streets to battle ICE

And the likely result is more dead or wounded Karens

 

[Mac-7]

One of the things the footage taken from Ross's phone makes very clear is Good was turning the wheel of her car to the right, to avoid him, as she began to pull away.

She was surrounded by armed, masked, paramilitary agents. Do you really think she thought she'd get away with running Ross over? I don't. Which is why she turned sharply to the right so as to avoid him. As shown in one video from the NYT analysis taken from an angle in front of and to the right of her car. A video showing his feet sliding on the pavement away from her car as she begins to leave, while never being in danger of being run over.

I dont think Good was trying to hit the ICE agent

But she did

And that was criminal assault with a deadly weapon

 

[AntonToo]

Oh, there should certainly be an investigation, and I do not for a moment believe they're not already conducting one internally. They just don't see a need to let you watch.

You do not believe it because you are in denial about how far this administration puts politics before doing the right thing.

But they in fact have already blocked Civil Rights Division from investigating use of deadly force in this killing, prompting a number of departures for that department.

DOJ says 'no basis' for civil rights investigation into Minneapolis ICE officer killing

The DOJ declined a civil rights probe into an ICE officer's killing of Renee Good in Minneapolis, breaking from past practices as the FBI investigation continues.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Actually, there was another shooting involving an ICE officer. This time a protestor was shot in the leg. Provocations by ICE are part of the plan. Designed to enrage the public. Cause confrontations. Continuously escalate the situation looking for a justification for the regime to become more repressive.

Clear your mind for a moment. If I said there was a country in which masked agents of the government were roaming the streets in the face of mass protests, violating the rights of citizens, asking people for identification, and in many cases detaining/arresting people (some of which being legal citizens of that country) with no criminal record...........would America be your first guess?

Provocations by ICE are part of the plan. Designed to enrage the public. Cause confrontations.

Why would the public be enraged by the removal of law breakers?
Maybe the provocations are caused by the leftist agitators?
ICE didn't make the angry lesbian cause a confrontation by blocking half the street.

Continuously escalate the situation looking for a justification for the regime to become more repressive.

Repressing the shit out of the illegal aliens.

If I said there was a country in which masked agents of the government were roaming the streets in the face of mass protests, violating the rights of citizens, asking people for identification,

It's true, Biden's flood of illegal aliens is making things hard for actual Americans.
I'm sure if they asked you for identification, it wouldn't take you long to prove you belong here.
I'm sure you'd need many years of therapy to overcome the trauma. You are very delicate.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

One of the things the footage taken from Ross's phone makes very clear is Good was turning the wheel of her car to the right, to avoid him, as she began to pull away.

It's also clear that she actually hit him.

 

[hadit]

One of the things the footage taken from Ross's phone makes very clear is Good was turning the wheel of her car to the right, to avoid him, as she began to pull away.

She was surrounded by armed, masked, paramilitary agents. Do you really think she thought she'd get away with running Ross over? I don't. Which is why she turned sharply to the right so as to avoid him. As shown in one video from the NYT analysis taken from an angle in front of and to the right of her car. A video showing his feet sliding on the pavement away from her car as she begins to leave, while never being in danger of being run over.

If I am pulling out of a parking spot in my car and someone is standing that close to the front corner of my car, is it reckless or good driving to turn my wheels and hit the gas, hoping I don't hit them? If the person is standing too close and I hit them anyway, am I good to just leave or am I in legal trouble?

Second, if I am surrounded by armed federal agents who are telling me to get out of my car and have their guns pointed at me, it is the height of stupidity for me to do anything but turn off the car and get out, slowly and with my hands in view the entire time. If they are in the wrong, I stand to gain a lot from the lawsuit.

Where is the compassion for this woman's stupidity?