These 8 Rich Liberals Are Using Super PACs to Buy the 2014 Election

[Bush92]

hey, the rightwingnuts love citizens united.

or did you think it was just for the wingers?

It's the lefties that are all up in arms about rich people giving money to pols unless of course those pols are democrats

no one is going to lose elections because your guys perverted our entire political system.

you wanted it. live with it.

Isn't it funny how uneducated trailer dwelling white trash defend those who shit on them, must be the Low IQ thing

More from narcissistic left. Those people in trailers do not want government hand outs, unlike inner city Blacks who have total governmental dependency. So explain how conservatives are shitting on people who live in trailer parks? I started out in one. Worked my way through life with service in military for college, and three degrees. Conservative mind set helped me. I never stood in place and cried.

 

[Mac1958]

What I asked is fairly straight forward you keep avoiding the question so we might as well stop discussion.

What you could have used as a discussion point is when the wealthy alledgely bought the 1926 presidential election. Thus defeating William Jennings Bryan who campaigned on the break up of monopolies. THAT is the type of example I was asking. (Morgan donated 250,000 to McKinley which would have been an enormous amount)

What does any of this have to do with my point?

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[Bush92]

PROFIT drives the economy. YOU and everyone else in the free world, myself include, invest for PROFIT, nothing else. The mutual funds that you invest in, and in reality I will bet it is "products" you sell, could be investing in supplying arms to ISIS and as long as their profit margin is paying off THAT is who they will invest in.

How can you not see that greed from the ground up is the real cause of our problems. The sad part is that there is absolutely nothing to be done so people just need to get on the train and find someone like you to facilitate their ride on the greed train.

Quote from you: As to your question about whether buying political influence affects the average Joe, well of course it does. Politicians get into office and/or stay there with political influence. And they get into office and stay there as a result of money in their campaigns that was given to them by people and companies that want influence. As a result, their decisions affect the average Joe. This is obvious, isn't it?

Quite the non-answer. How does it effect YOU directly if a politician is bought off? In other words you are implying that the same companies you, or your "products," invest in are the same evil bastard buy influence which is hurting you. WTF that seems almost bi-polar. Again I ask, give me a direct, DIRECT, answer in how buying off politicians has DIRECTLY hurt you. I contend it has helped you.

So are you saying that if someone invests for retirement, they're doing something wrong?

And yes, I'm saying that if a politician gains office through influence, and if that same politician retains office through influence, that they affect me with the laws they vote on, with the political influence they wield. I don't understand why this is not obvious. The decisions politicians make affect us all, isn't that the point of having politicians?

And I think you're saying that I have a vested interest in keeping money in politics. Or are you saying I have a vested interest in getting money OUT of politics?

So I remain confused here.

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Never said that investing for retirement is wrong, not sure where you might have read that. I am making the point that profit is the motivation for investing, that is all. I also contend that there really is no alternative as the system is set up today. So no, people investing for retirement is a good thing, until the rich take back their money as they did in 1926 and 2008.

What I asked is fairly straight forward you keep avoiding the question so we might as well stop discussion.

What you could have used as a discussion point is when the wealthy alledgely bought the 1926 presidential election. Thus defeating William Jennings Bryan who campaigned on the break up of monopolies. THAT is the type of example I was asking. (Morgan donated 250,000 to McKinley which would have been an enormous amount)

Presidential election years were 1920, 1924,1928. Bryan's last hurrah was 1908. He tried to get nomination again in 1912, but Wilson beat him out. Bryan died in 1925.

 

[Freewill]

What I asked is fairly straight forward you keep avoiding the question so we might as well stop discussion.

What you could have used as a discussion point is when the wealthy alledgely bought the 1926 presidential election. Thus defeating William Jennings Bryan who campaigned on the break up of monopolies. THAT is the type of example I was asking. (Morgan donated 250,000 to McKinley which would have been an enormous amount)

What does any of this have to do with my point?

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Oh my you continue.

YOUR original implication, as I read it, is that we need to remove corporate influence from politics. That influence is bought by money.

All I asked of you is an example of how corporations buying INFLUENCE, and they don't buy elections, has hurt YOU. I even provided you and example.

 

[Mac1958]

What I asked is fairly straight forward you keep avoiding the question so we might as well stop discussion.

What you could have used as a discussion point is when the wealthy alledgely bought the 1926 presidential election. Thus defeating William Jennings Bryan who campaigned on the break up of monopolies. THAT is the type of example I was asking. (Morgan donated 250,000 to McKinley which would have been an enormous amount)

What does any of this have to do with my point?

.

Oh my you continue.

YOUR original implication, as I read it, is that we need to remove corporate influence from politics. That influence is bought by money.

All I asked of you is an example of how corporations buying INFLUENCE, and they don't buy elections, has hurt YOU. I even provided you and example.

Okay, so you just asked a question and are not trying to make a point.

Got it.

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[Freewill]

PROFIT drives the economy. YOU and everyone else in the free world, myself include, invest for PROFIT, nothing else. The mutual funds that you invest in, and in reality I will bet it is "products" you sell, could be investing in supplying arms to ISIS and as long as their profit margin is paying off THAT is who they will invest in.

How can you not see that greed from the ground up is the real cause of our problems. The sad part is that there is absolutely nothing to be done so people just need to get on the train and find someone like you to facilitate their ride on the greed train.

Quote from you: As to your question about whether buying political influence affects the average Joe, well of course it does. Politicians get into office and/or stay there with political influence. And they get into office and stay there as a result of money in their campaigns that was given to them by people and companies that want influence. As a result, their decisions affect the average Joe. This is obvious, isn't it?

Quite the non-answer. How does it effect YOU directly if a politician is bought off? In other words you are implying that the same companies you, or your "products," invest in are the same evil bastard buy influence which is hurting you. WTF that seems almost bi-polar. Again I ask, give me a direct, DIRECT, answer in how buying off politicians has DIRECTLY hurt you. I contend it has helped you.

So are you saying that if someone invests for retirement, they're doing something wrong?

And yes, I'm saying that if a politician gains office through influence, and if that same politician retains office through influence, that they affect me with the laws they vote on, with the political influence they wield. I don't understand why this is not obvious. The decisions politicians make affect us all, isn't that the point of having politicians?

And I think you're saying that I have a vested interest in keeping money in politics. Or are you saying I have a vested interest in getting money OUT of politics?

So I remain confused here.

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Never said that investing for retirement is wrong, not sure where you might have read that. I am making the point that profit is the motivation for investing, that is all. I also contend that there really is no alternative as the system is set up today. So no, people investing for retirement is a good thing, until the rich take back their money as they did in 1926 and 2008.

What I asked is fairly straight forward you keep avoiding the question so we might as well stop discussion.

What you could have used as a discussion point is when the wealthy alledgely bought the 1926 presidential election. Thus defeating William Jennings Bryan who campaigned on the break up of monopolies. THAT is the type of example I was asking. (Morgan donated 250,000 to McKinley which would have been an enormous amount)

Presidential election years were 1920, 1924,1928. Bryan's last hurrah was 1908. He tried to get nomination again in 1912, but Wilson beat him out. Bryan died in 1925.

I stand corrected, I typed poorly. McKinley won over Bryan in the 1896 election.

 

[jasonnfree]

Doesn't matter to me which party is buying what.

Until we get money out of politics and slap term limits on these creeps the decay continues.

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Agree. We can have fun going back and forth, my side is better than yours, till eternity. Big money insures that only certain people will get financed. It's been proven that what "we the people" want means nothing.

 

[Freewill]

What I asked is fairly straight forward you keep avoiding the question so we might as well stop discussion.

What you could have used as a discussion point is when the wealthy alledgely bought the 1926 presidential election. Thus defeating William Jennings Bryan who campaigned on the break up of monopolies. THAT is the type of example I was asking. (Morgan donated 250,000 to McKinley which would have been an enormous amount)

What does any of this have to do with my point?

.

Oh my you continue.

YOUR original implication, as I read it, is that we need to remove corporate influence from politics. That influence is bought by money.

All I asked of you is an example of how corporations buying INFLUENCE, and they don't buy elections, has hurt YOU. I even provided you and example.

Okay, so you just asked a question and are not trying to make a point.

Got it.

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I absolutely was making a point by asking a question. This is a damn discussion board, is it not?

You made a statement about money and politics, I am calling you out over that comment.

Can ANYONE run a campaign today without money? Could a person run a campaign at any time in our history without money? Of course not. So what I think you mean is that the method of funding elections needs changed to even the playing field. See that is an example of how our government is effected by money.

But that isn't the worse of how money effects politics. Until we actually do something about lobbyists the problems will continue. Obama promised to do something but once in office he realize that there is no real solution.

My original point is that, and I am going Biblical on you, is that "the LOVE of money is the root of all evil." So having money, saving money and investing money is not evil. But doing so at the expense of anything else, well in my opinion that is evil.

 

[Freewill]

Here is another clear cut example of how money influences policy.

Who does not have healthcare? Who does not buy medicine? Who does not realize that what we spend on medicine is astronomical? Compare what a person can buy the same drug in America and in Canada. No comparison. So healthcare is reformed and is the drug companies reformed, no, they go into secret meetings with Obama and they are exempt. Is anything done to hold down costs? Not that I see. So who made out with Obamacare? Those who didn't have healthcare and get subsidized, the health care insurance companies, and hospitals. The consumer paying for themselves, not so much.

 

[jasonnfree]

hey, the rightwingnuts love citizens united.

or did you think it was just for the wingers?

It's the lefties that are all up in arms about rich people giving money to pols unless of course those pols are democrats

no one is going to lose elections because your guys perverted our entire political system.

you wanted it. live with it.

You guys?

Who are they?

BTW I thought you would know by now that I am not a member of any political flock and I do not vote for anyone but 3rd party candidates

I've voted 3rd party a couple times. I feel I wasted my vote. Only a dem or repub will get in no matter what. Which corporate funded candidate stinks less is the only choice we have until we get public funded elections and tell citizens united to take a hike.

 

[jillian]

hey, the rightwingnuts love citizens united.

or did you think it was just for the wingers?

It's the lefties that are all up in arms about rich people giving money to pols unless of course those pols are democrats

no one is going to lose elections because your guys perverted our entire political system.

you wanted it. live with it.

You guys?

Who are they?

BTW I thought you would know by now that I am not a member of any political flock and I do not vote for anyone but 3rd party candidates

I've voted 3rd party a couple times. I feel I wasted my vote. Only a dem or repub will get in no matter what. Which corporate funded candidate stinks less is the only choice we have until we get public funded elections and tell citizens united to take a hike.

.... which is why money belongs out of poetics. each candidate who has a certain number of signatures on a petition should get X dollars from the government and not be allowed to use any other funds (including their own) to run a campaign. that would a) make third party candidates viable and b) make politicians responsive to their constituents and not big money interests.

 

[jasonnfree]

hey, the rightwingnuts love citizens united.

or did you think it was just for the wingers?

It's the lefties that are all up in arms about rich people giving money to pols unless of course those pols are democrats

no one is going to lose elections because your guys perverted our entire political system.

you wanted it. live with it.

Isn't it funny how uneducated trailer dwelling white trash defend those who shit on them, must be the Low IQ thing

More from narcissistic left. Those people in trailers do not want government hand outs, unlike inner city Blacks who have total governmental dependency. So explain how conservatives are shitting on people who live in trailer parks? I started out in one. Worked my way through life with service in military for college, and three degrees. Conservative mind set helped me. I never stood in place and cried.

hey, the rightwingnuts love citizens united.

or did you think it was just for the wingers?

It's the lefties that are all up in arms about rich people giving money to pols unless of course those pols are democrats

no one is going to lose elections because your guys perverted our entire political system.

you wanted it. live with it.

Isn't it funny how uneducated trailer dwelling white trash defend those who shit on them, must be the Low IQ thing

More from narcissistic left. Those people in trailers do not want government hand outs, unlike inner city Blacks who have total governmental dependency. So explain how conservatives are shitting on people who live in trailer parks? I started out in one. Worked my way through life with service in military for college, and three degrees. Conservative mind set helped me. I never stood in place and cried.

It's funny how you make these statements - "people in trailers parks don't want.... inner city Blacks totally dependent" Any proof of this? Nobody that lives in trailers gets food stamps and any inner city black have total government dependency? Anyway, I stood pretty much on my own, used the g.i. bill in the late 60's , early 70's also. I could also get judgemental about being superior to blacks like you do, but I don't because I know that a certain amount of luck was on my side and I had help from others on the way. I think that was what Obama was trying to say in that speech, "You didn't do it on you're own." I do know that it's much more expensive to get a college degree or even a trade school certificate than it was in 60s and 70's. Also, there aren't the industrial jobs there were before, which is one reason for the collapse of the big cities. These manufacturing jobs as well as domestic jobs were what kept blacks working. Maybe you didn't get around much to know this, I did. Those jobs went abroad seeking slave wages.

 

[Mac1958]

Can ANYONE run a campaign today without money? Could a person run a campaign at any time in our history without money? Of course not. So what I think you mean is that the method of funding elections needs changed to even the playing field. See that is an example of how our government is effected by money.

Here's what I'd like to see (not holding my breath, of course): Publicly-funded elections, in which a lion's share of the campaigning is done via debates, town halls and roundtable discussions, where the candidates can't spread their bullshit without immediate challenge. Allow the networks exclusivity on each one, let them sell ads and have commercial breaks for the candidates. Incorporate the internet into the events. Do what we can to minimize public expenditures.

Are there potential holes in this idea? I'm sure there are, let's get both sides to work together and figure it out.

So:

1. Publicly-funded elections -- Does anyone think these creeps would behave this way if they were not worried about donors and re-election?
2. Strict, short term limits -- See #1
3. Balanced Budget Amendments -- Make both parties justify their taxing and spending initiatives

Remove the power from those who abuse it the most.

My weekly rant!

 

[AvgGuyIA]

A number of Righties are just some of the most fascinating creatures I have ever witnessed.

One moment, War is good. The next, they all become pacifists.

One moment, Citizen's united is great. The next, they are all socialist/commies!!

One moment, they love Presidential executive orders, but as soon as the black dude is deigning to put his feet up on the Oval Office desk, they just hate those EOs.

I think the GOP should be renamed JAH.

"Jekyl and Hyde".

President Bush's executive orders were not designed to increase the size of the base of the Republican Party, unlike what Obozo is doing for his party. That makes his EO proclamations evil.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

hey, the rightwingnuts love citizens united.

or did you think it was just for the wingers?

It's the lefties that are all up in arms about rich people giving money to pols unless of course those pols are democrats

no one is going to lose elections because your guys perverted our entire political system.

you wanted it. live with it.

You guys?

Who are they?

BTW I thought you would know by now that I am not a member of any political flock and I do not vote for anyone but 3rd party candidates

I found out that voting for third party candidates ensures a democrat win. It happened when I voted for Perot and we got the worse president in my life time, WJC. Sad as it is, until something changes, voting third party in national elections is the same as either not voting or voting democrat, in my opinion.

Truth and indisputible.

 

[AmericanFirst]

hey, the rightwingnuts love citizens united.

or did you think it was just for the wingers?

hey, your dear leader just RENGEGED on another promise to not allow LOBBIEST in his administration.
get a grip jilly

*yawn*

if it makes you feel better about yourself to cal him *my* dear leader (or anyone's) have at it.

like i said. rightwingnuts get what they deserve. there shouldn't be ANY money in politics. but as long as there is, if you think that only rightwingnut toons should avail themselves of that privilege, you're even more out of touch than i thought.

now go whine to the koch brothers and sheldon adelson.

What you say is always lies and doesn't mean anything. Keep up the lies idiot.

 

[guno]

hey, the rightwingnuts love citizens united.

or did you think it was just for the wingers?

It's the lefties that are all up in arms about rich people giving money to pols unless of course those pols are democrats

no one is going to lose elections because your guys perverted our entire political system.

you wanted it. live with it.

Isn't it funny how uneducated trailer dwelling white trash defend those who shit on them, must be the Low IQ thing

More from narcissistic left. Those people in trailers do not want government hand outs, unlike inner city Blacks who have total governmental dependency. So explain how conservatives are shitting on people who live in trailer parks? I started out in one. Worked my way through life with service in military for college, and three degrees. Conservative mind set helped me. I never stood in place and cried.

hey, the rightwingnuts love citizens united.

or did you think it was just for the wingers?

It's the lefties that are all up in arms about rich people giving money to pols unless of course those pols are democrats

no one is going to lose elections because your guys perverted our entire political system.

you wanted it. live with it.

Isn't it funny how uneducated trailer dwelling white trash defend those who shit on them, must be the Low IQ thing

More from narcissistic left. Those people in trailers do not want government hand outs, unlike inner city Blacks who have total governmental dependency. So explain how conservatives are shitting on people who live in trailer parks? I started out in one. Worked my way through life with service in military for college, and three degrees. Conservative mind set helped me. I never stood in place and cried.

It's funny how you make these statements - "people in trailers parks don't want.... inner city Blacks totally dependent" Any proof of this? Nobody that lives in trailers gets food stamps and any inner city black have total government dependency? Anyway, I stood pretty much on my own, used the g.i. bill in the late 60's , early 70's also. I could also get judgemental about being superior to blacks like you do, but I don't because I know that a certain amount of luck was on my side and I had help from others on the way. I think that was what Obama was trying to say in that speech, "You didn't do it on you're own." I do know that it's much more expensive to get a college degree or even a trade school certificate than it was in 60s and 70's. Also, there aren't the industrial jobs there were before, which is one reason for the collapse of the big cities. These manufacturing jobs as well as domestic jobs were what kept blacks working. Maybe you didn't get around much to know this, I did. Those jobs went abroad seeking slave wages.

Near where I live there are many trailer parks inhabited by whites a lot of theme get food stamps and are on medicaid and welfare

 

[Wry Catcher]

hey, the rightwingnuts love citizens united.

or did you think it was just for the wingers?

It's the lefties that are all up in arms about rich people giving money to pols unless of course those pols are democrats

no one is going to lose elections because your guys perverted our entire political system.

you wanted it. live with it.

You guys?

Who are they?

BTW I thought you would know by now that I am not a member of any political flock and I do not vote for anyone but 3rd party candidates

That ^^^ alone puts at least one of your feet in the idiot fringe.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Doesn't matter to me which party is buying what.

Until we get money out of politics and slap term limits on these creeps the decay continues.

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Financial Advisors are the problem. Profit at any cost. There is no way to get money out of politics it is the greed of the stock market that is the real problem.

Well, as a financial advisor, I'd have to disagree.

What does a financial advisor have to do with money in politics, precisely?

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When The Revolutions comes, we will hang the bankers first and then the Financial Advisors next.

 

[Mac1958]

Doesn't matter to me which party is buying what.

Until we get money out of politics and slap term limits on these creeps the decay continues.

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Financial Advisors are the problem. Profit at any cost. There is no way to get money out of politics it is the greed of the stock market that is the real problem.

Well, as a financial advisor, I'd have to disagree.

What does a financial advisor have to do with money in politics, precisely?

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When The Revolutions comes, we will hang the bankers first and then the Financial Advisors next.

Yeah, okay, thanks for the heads up.



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