Zone1 There's no rational, reasoned argument for a ban on AR15s (2)

[2aguy]

The right to own a gun is not the same as the right to breathe.

No.....the Right to breathe is more immediate....but the Right to own a gun is still a Right.....

 

[Concerned American]

The right to own a gun is not the same as the right to breathe.

Rights are rights. They are not given by the government.

 

[Bell Huey]

No....that's ATF.

They have nothing to do with development, design or modification - except to certify that it is not a machine gun.

Oh, they have a lot to say about design...that's why the manufacturers have to go to them for certification.

 

[Bell Huey]

There is no such design.

There is a weapon "modified", a variant.

Have change the weapon in basic design. Semi Automatics are not designed to combat assault rifles.

 

[The5thHorseman]

Oh, they have a lot to say about design...that's why the manufacturers have to go to them for certification.

Not more assertion.

The weapons must be designed to be submitted.

 

[The5thHorseman]

Have change the weapon in basic design. Semi Automatics are not designed to combat assault rifles.

That's ATF talk.

It is irrelevant.

 

[Hector12]

Rights are rights. They are not given by the government.

If you think that way, I advise you not to take a vacation to North Korea. There is no such thing as an absolute right. A right is nothing more than a privilege granted by some governments, and denied by other governments.

 

[otto105]

No, it doesnt and if you inderstood the issue you would know this....

Nashville

AR-15 rifle 6 killed

Kerch, Russia

5 shot, pump action shotgun, not a rifle, no magazine

20 killed

Navy Yard shooting

5 shot, pump action shotgun,not a rifle, no magazine

12 killed

The gun does not determine how many are killed and you have been explained this over and over

The amount of time the killer has in a gun free zone before someone shoota and stops them determines how many get killed as the two example above show

No, it doesn’t.

152 shots speaks for itself

 

[2aguy]

No, it doesn’t.

152 shots speaks for itself

You didn't understand....try reading it again....perhaps have a small child read it to you........

No, it doesnt and if you inderstood the issue you would know this....

Nashville

AR-15 rifle 6 killed

Kerch, Russia

5 shot, pump action shotgun, not a rifle, no magazine

20 killed

Navy Yard shooting

5 shot, pump action shotgun,not a rifle, no magazine

12 killed

The gun does not determine how many are killed and you have been explained this over and over

The amount of time the killer has in a gun free zone before someone shoota and stops them determines how many get killed as the two example above show.

 

[Bell Huey]

You didn't understand....try reading it again....perhaps have a small child read it to you........

No, it doesnt and if you inderstood the issue you would know this....

Nashville

AR-15 rifle 6 killed

Kerch, Russia

5 shot, pump action shotgun, not a rifle, no magazine

20 killed

Navy Yard shooting

5 shot, pump action shotgun,not a rifle, no magazine

12 killed

The gun does not determine how many are killed and you have been explained this over and over

The amount of time the killer has in a gun free zone before someone shoota and stops them determines how many get killed as the two example above show.

Add this to your list

Va Tech Shooting

32 Killed 17 wounded

2 Pistols

 

[2aguy]

Add this to your list

Va Tech Shooting

32 Killed 17 wounded

2 Pistols

And Luby's Cafe...... 24 killed with 2 pistols...


That idiot would then point out they were semi-automatic pistols...which they also want to ban........

That is why the leftists are pushing against the AR-15 so hard....it is their trojan horse gun....if they can get the AR-15 banned, they will then come back and say, you need to let us ban all semi-automatic guns, since they are no different in operation from the AR-15 rifle....

 

[2aguy]

I am not going round and round with you. The others have also chimed. Hopefully, you will begin to see the error of your ways.

The left does not rest, they do not stop....they do not forgive, they do not forget.....there is no compassion or mercy in them.

 

[Bell Huey]

And Luby's Cafe...... 24 killed with 2 pistols...


That idiot would then point out they were semi-automatic pistols...which they also want to ban........

That is why the leftists are pushing against the AR-15 so hard....it is their trojan horse gun....if they can get the AR-15 banned, they will then come back and say, you need to let us ban all semi-automatic guns, since they are no different in operation from the AR-15 rifle....

And the 94 Ban was based on appearance and exterior features. And most bans now do the same thing. That is how you get featureless rifles that still operate the same.

 

[Bell Huey]

The evidence continues to accumulate.

Here is some evidence. It tells us a couple of things.

After Colt's patents expired in 1977,[24] other manufacturers began to copy the design of the Colt AR-15. The term "AR-15" is a Colt registered trademark which it uses only to refer to its line of semi-automatic rifles. Other manufacturers marketed generic AR-15s under other designations, frequently referred to as AR-15s, as are some rifles and carbines not based on the AR-15 design

Colt AR-15 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You have used this before so I know you have seen it.

1. It tells it the AR 15 DESIGN is for semiautomatics rifles.

2. Not all AR STYLE weapons are based on that design.

Although the Colt AR 15 was not designed for combat those that are not based on the design were definitely not designed for combat. Without Argument.

 

[toobfreak]

The fear of inanimate objects never has been rational or reasonable.

There can be EXCEPTIONS.

 

[Bell Huey]

Please stop spinning English....I'm fluent.

That's not spin. Not all "AR" style weapons are based on the civilian design Colt AR 15. As I have told you in the past those that are not are definitely not designed for combat.

 

[toobfreak]

Yes, but for mass murders it has become the weapon of choice

Only because of magazine capacity. If one really wants to, they can also get magazines for pistols that carry 15 and 30 rounds per mag., but any skilled shooter can swap 6-8 round capacity mags in like 1-2 seconds showing that these shooters are not trained nor skilled.

 

[Bell Huey]

Odd, The5thHorseman , there's that word design again:

In 1964, Colt began selling its own version with an improved semi-automatic design known as the Colt AR-15.[20]

And the following parts are part of the improved design:

To prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, several features were changed. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass, the buffer spring is heavier. On the select-fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when the automatic fire is selected.[73] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option (this requires a registered part with the ATF). Lower receivers that are select-fire are identified by a pinhole above the safety/mode selection switch.[74][75][76][77] As designed by Colt, the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select-fire components. The pivot pin may also be slightly larger in diameter.[78][79]

Zone1 - There's no rational, reasoned argument for a ban on AR15s (2)

152 shots by the Nashville shooter with an AR-15 shows different. As far as I know the Nashville shooter didn't use an AR-15, he used a Keltec Sub2000 carbine in 9mm pistol caliber, a 9mm Smith and Wesson Shield handgun and a Lead Star Arms Grunt 16" .223. He seems to have done all the killing...

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And for the record my lever action Henry Big Boy 45 Long Colt was designed for the battlefield.

 

[The5thHorseman]

Odd, The5thHorseman , there's that word design again:

In 1964, Colt began selling its own version with an improved semi-automatic design known as the Colt AR-15.[20]

And the following parts are part of the improved design:

To prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, several features were changed. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass, the buffer spring is heavier. On the select-fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when the automatic fire is selected.[73] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option (this requires a registered part with the ATF). Lower receivers that are select-fire are identified by a pinhole above the safety/mode selection switch.[74][75][76][77] As designed by Colt, the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select-fire components. The pivot pin may also be slightly larger in diameter.[78][79]

Zone1 - There's no rational, reasoned argument for a ban on AR15s (2)

152 shots by the Nashville shooter with an AR-15 shows different. As far as I know the Nashville shooter didn't use an AR-15, he used a Keltec Sub2000 carbine in 9mm pistol caliber, a 9mm Smith and Wesson Shield handgun and a Lead Star Arms Grunt 16" .223. He seems to have done all the killing...

www.usmessageboard.com

And for the record my lever action Henry Big Boy 45 Long Colt was designed for the battlefield.

To prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, several features were changed.

What would need to be changed if it was originally designed to be semi-auto?

 

[Bell Huey]

Yes, it is.

There is the text....followed by your musings on the text.

So now your argument is that even those not based on the AR 15 semiautomatic design are also designed for the battlefield.