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there was no insurrection on jan 6th !

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Staying no closer than six feet from all breathing humans outdoors and avoiding indoor large gatherings will significantly negate the spread whether it’s done in uptown Manhatten or Bumfuck Iowa. 26946252
If population density has no bearing on the spread of COVID, then why socially distance?

I say population density has everything to do with the spread of COVID-19. And big cities have the highest majorities of minority poor.

You said Government mandatory shut downs have no bearing on the spread.

That is absurd and racist.

If you understand that population density has a lot to do with the spread, then you should understand that a shutdown will have a limited effect on the spread in a highly populous area. Unless you plan on moving people into the suburbs and rural areas, your shutdowns will be very ineffective and do more economic damage than health-related help.

Your fixation on the racism canard is indicative of the desperation of your argument.

Do you realize that shutdowns have shown no appreciable effect in stopping the spread?

That is a lie. if Cuomo with NJ and CONN governors had not ordered mandatory non essential business shutdowns (left it to individuals) they would have ran out of ICU bed space (ventilators) and dead bodies wouid have piled up on street corners with the garbage.. Most of them minority and poor.

So far, there has been no correlation between infection rates and shutdowns.

Libertarianism has rotted your brain and you are so young. I’m not sure if brain rot is curable. We can only hope that with government help we find a cure..
Back in May, Trump told Fox News that coronavirus emergency funding bills would be unfair to more conservative states. "It's not fair to the Republicans, because all the states that need help, they're run by Democrats in every case,"​


As New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo pleaded for resources and ventilators and thousands of New Yorkers sickened and died, Trump delayed.​

You don't have to take my word for it or even side with libertarian ideals. Numbers show lockdowns didn’t help contain COVID-19 — opening up didn’t boost it
 

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In what fantasy did you come up with only 200 involved.


I said around 200, Rube. Oh, whatever "fantasy" involved that allows CNN, NBC and most every other news outlet on the planet to quantify those the Fed are interested in as being "over 200."

And most of those simple misdemeanors.

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200. A drop in the bucket compared to the tens of thousands who rioted violently in this country at BLM hands in 2020 that you didn't blink an eye over.
 

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If population density has no bearing on the spread of COVID, then why socially distance? The point I'm making is that, when you have a city as crowded as NYC, socially distancing is going to be a lot more "flexible" in how much people follow it. This is true for any massive city in the world.

Di you have a point there? I don’t see it.

The higher the density the population facing a viral epidemic the higher the need for two things:

Governnent and People working together - not in political or personal self interest but in a common interest. A common consciousness about not wanting to infect other people and not wanting to put the vulnerable among us at risk,

Trump and Trump People and the religious and libertarian sorts and other just plain dumb fuckheads won’t go there - Liberty this Liberty that. Jesus this Jesus that. Conspiracy this conspiracy that.

Liberty means nothing to those whose death could be prevented by more people exercising moral sanity.

5. Cultural habits Professor Fukuda, who previously worked at the World Health Organization, has lived in both the U.S. and Asia. He thinks cultural outlook has played a large role in the way the outbreak has been contained in the latter.​

"If you can get people and the government to work together, it's an amazingly powerful combination," he said. "There's a very high consciousness about not wanting to affect other people and not wanting to put them at risk. So, when the public says, we're part of the reason why things are going well, it's absolutely true."​

Fukuda highlighted politicization has hindered the U.S. and its ability to contain the outbreak. The U.S. has now reported more than 2.6 million confirmed cases.​

"In Asia, there is a very significant degree of concern about other people, about taking care of each other," he said. "In the States, it has really exposed that there are big cultural differences in the country. So, whether you are in the rural areas or in the cities, whether you are in red states or blue states."​

"Whereas in Hong Kong, if anything, the outbreak has brought people closer together," he said.​

I very much agree that culture plays a big part in controlling the spread. South Korea fared very well, and so did Japan. And in both cases, the government played a limited role. It was mostly a matter of individuals restricting their own behavior out of cultural pressure, not government pressure.

You're not going to find that in a multicultural society. So most diverse Western nations are too divided and too individualistic for the same results to occur.

You can thank our legacy of high immigration on that, however. Diversity has certain upsides, but unity isn't one of them.
 

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Rand Paul's question is very much appropriate, but you don't have to be libertarian to understand this. You just have to have a healthy distrust of government.

Why is Rand Paul in the government. Do you trust him? He was careless when he purposely put others at risk where he works. Elderly Senators. Some political foes. Why would you trust a self centered asshole like that? and he is a doctor for Christ sake!

would you like to see Bernie Sanders Knocked out a Rand Paul COVID attack.
No, I'd just like to see you be less paranoid.
 

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But this is exactly why the closure of so many small businesses is a problem that is much longer lasting than the deaths in hospitals and such. Most of the deaths have involved people that were close to death already. The longer term problems have to do with people out of work and in poverty. I care more about those people than those close to death already. The fate of the healthy has longer term economic implications.

Is Rand Paul at the top of your list as your ideal politician?

Do you accept the following political economic divide to be accurate? Let’s call it the Brookings Metro Economic Political Rift (BMER)

“Most notably, the stark economic rift that Brookings Metro documented after Donald Trump’s shocking 2016 victory has grown even wider. In 2016, we wrote that the 2,584 counties that Trump won generated just 36% of the country’s economic output, whereas the 472 counties Hillary Clinton carried equated to almost two-thirds of the nation’s aggregate economy. “​

Do you agree that Red States generate just 36% of the country’s economic output but generates and often does generate over 50% of America’s votes in national elections?
Rand is one of the better Senators, yes.

As for the red/blue divide, if that sort of thing bothers you, then you should favor more decentralization of funding and policy. If blue states and blue areas are truly more productive, then it would make sense that further decentralization of government would allow them to better spend their funds on local needs.

That's what I've always found odd about the centralization push by so many on the left. If you truly believe that the red states and red areas are the welfare queens of the country, then push for more state-based government and less federal government, because it will ultimately benefit your areas.

rand paul, the putin puppet - who wished america a ' happy independence day ' from moscow .... not to mention that the 'doctor' who knowingly had covid, but said nothing - wore no mask - & mixed & mingled with his fellow congress critters - some who are older than dirt - is a quite the douche.
Maybe someday you'll realize that China has way more influence in our government than Russia. China also manipulates a lot of our media.

uh-huh. tell that to RT & sputnik ... & how OANN, newsmax, & fox all peddled the same rw nutter CONspiracies & flat out lies re: biden, whether it was about his son hunter, or ukraine, & they even tried to re-pkg the whole 'health' issue thingy. with hillary- it was her physical health; & with biden, it is his mental 'decline'.

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Trump campaign chief Manafort's associate Kilimnik gave Russia 2016 election strategy, polling, U.S. says
Published Thu, Apr 15 202112:40 PM EDTUpdated Thu, Apr 15 20215:23 PM EDT

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  • A longtime associate of former President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign chief Paul Manafort gave Russian intelligence agencies "sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy" during the election that year, the U.S. Treasury Department said.
  • Manafort's associate, Konstantin Kilimnik, "also sought to promote the narrative that Ukraine, not Russia, had interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election," the department said Thursday as the Biden administration announced new sanctions on Russia, Kilimnik and others.
  • Those sanctions relate in part to Russia's alleged effort to affect the outcome of the 2020 U.S. presidential election.
Trump campaign chief Manafort's associate Kilimnik gave Russia 2016 election strategy, polling, U.S. says


Biden administration confirms Russian agent shared 2016 Trump polling data as part of election interference efforts
By Katie Bo Williams, Jeremy Herb and Marshall Cohen, CNN

Updated 1:29 PM ET, Thu April 15, 2021

(CNN)The Biden administration on Thursday revealed new details about Russia's extensive interference in the 2016 and 2020 US elections, including disclosing for the first time that a Russian agent who received internal polling data from the Trump campaign in 2016 passed it along to Russia's intelligence services.
The new revelations about Moscow's election meddling came as part of the Biden administration's slate of sanctions against Russian actors on Thursday over Russia's election interference as well as the SolarWinds hack and Russia's ongoing occupation of Crimea.
After then-President Donald Trump repeatedly denied or downplayed Russia's election interference in 2016, senior Trump administration officials, including Trump himself, refused to acknowledge or elevate Russian operations in 2020 and sought to characterize China as the greater threat.
Biden administration confirms Russian agent shared 2016 Trump polling data as part of election interference efforts

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DHS withheld July intelligence bulletin calling out Russian attack on Biden’s mental health
If you really want to go down this rabbit hole, the Steele dossier itself is evidence of the Clintons getting involved in "Russian collusion." Of course, "opposition research" is fine when the Clintons do it.

The double standard is obvious to anyone that isn't a partisan hack.
 

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And bodies already were piling up, but clearly NYC has rather lacking healthcare infrastructure.

You truly are an idiot.

bodies piled up because there’s no reason to have additional morgue and funeral services capacity to handle a once per Century viral epidemic.
You have no room to call me an idiot when you continually deny the connections between violent protesters, Antifa, and BLM.
 

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I'm not suggesting government should be able to stop peaceful assemblies, but to pretend like there's no connection between BLM and Antifa and these criminals is naive at best and willfully ignorant at worst.
There is no connection between ANTIFA and peaceful protests by peaceful protesters whether they belong to BLM or not.

There is no connection between looters, street thugs, rioters and peaceful protests by peaceful protesters whether they belong to BLM or not.

I do not support or condone ANTIFA because they are not peaceful protesters. If there are criminal elements tolerated in whatever loose knit operation they run they should be tracked down and arrested all convections.

If all they do is follow white supremacists and fascists and NAZIS around to beat them up - who knows? thats a fucking tough call.

But when white people and politicians from Trump on down attempt to connect the vast majority of MLK type traditional organized peaceful protesters to violent criminals, looters, rioters and para-military groups like ANTIFA, I will call it as I see it.

It’s racist hate.

You don’t get a pass.
You're hopeless. I'm not going to bother with you anymore.
 

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You have no room to call me an idiot when you continually deny the connections between violent protesters, Antifa, and BLM.

The only connection is the color of their skin. That makes you a racist idiot.
 

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But this is exactly why the closure of so many small businesses is a problem that is much longer lasting than the deaths in hospitals and such. Most of the deaths have involved people that were close to death already. The longer term problems have to do with people out of work and in poverty. I care more about those people than those close to death already. The fate of the healthy has longer term economic implications.

Is Rand Paul at the top of your list as your ideal politician?

Do you accept the following political economic divide to be accurate? Let’s call it the Brookings Metro Economic Political Rift (BMER)

“Most notably, the stark economic rift that Brookings Metro documented after Donald Trump’s shocking 2016 victory has grown even wider. In 2016, we wrote that the 2,584 counties that Trump won generated just 36% of the country’s economic output, whereas the 472 counties Hillary Clinton carried equated to almost two-thirds of the nation’s aggregate economy. “​

Do you agree that Red States generate just 36% of the country’s economic output but generates and often does generate over 50% of America’s votes in national elections?
Rand is one of the better Senators, yes.

As for the red/blue divide, if that sort of thing bothers you, then you should favor more decentralization of funding and policy. If blue states and blue areas are truly more productive, then it would make sense that further decentralization of government would allow them to better spend their funds on local needs.

That's what I've always found odd about the centralization push by so many on the left. If you truly believe that the red states and red areas are the welfare queens of the country, then push for more state-based government and less federal government, because it will ultimately benefit your areas.

rand paul, the putin puppet - who wished america a ' happy independence day ' from moscow .... not to mention that the 'doctor' who knowingly had covid, but said nothing - wore no mask - & mixed & mingled with his fellow congress critters - some who are older than dirt - is a quite the douche.
Maybe someday you'll realize that China has way more influence in our government than Russia. China also manipulates a lot of our media.

uh-huh. tell that to RT & sputnik ... & how OANN, newsmax, & fox all peddled the same rw nutter CONspiracies & flat out lies re: biden, whether it was about his son hunter, or ukraine, & they even tried to re-pkg the whole 'health' issue thingy. with hillary- it was her physical health; & with biden, it is his mental 'decline'.

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Trump campaign chief Manafort's associate Kilimnik gave Russia 2016 election strategy, polling, U.S. says
Published Thu, Apr 15 202112:40 PM EDTUpdated Thu, Apr 15 20215:23 PM EDT

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  • A longtime associate of former President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign chief Paul Manafort gave Russian intelligence agencies "sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy" during the election that year, the U.S. Treasury Department said.
  • Manafort's associate, Konstantin Kilimnik, "also sought to promote the narrative that Ukraine, not Russia, had interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election," the department said Thursday as the Biden administration announced new sanctions on Russia, Kilimnik and others.
  • Those sanctions relate in part to Russia's alleged effort to affect the outcome of the 2020 U.S. presidential election.
Trump campaign chief Manafort's associate Kilimnik gave Russia 2016 election strategy, polling, U.S. says


Biden administration confirms Russian agent shared 2016 Trump polling data as part of election interference efforts
By Katie Bo Williams, Jeremy Herb and Marshall Cohen, CNN

Updated 1:29 PM ET, Thu April 15, 2021

(CNN)The Biden administration on Thursday revealed new details about Russia's extensive interference in the 2016 and 2020 US elections, including disclosing for the first time that a Russian agent who received internal polling data from the Trump campaign in 2016 passed it along to Russia's intelligence services.
The new revelations about Moscow's election meddling came as part of the Biden administration's slate of sanctions against Russian actors on Thursday over Russia's election interference as well as the SolarWinds hack and Russia's ongoing occupation of Crimea.
After then-President Donald Trump repeatedly denied or downplayed Russia's election interference in 2016, senior Trump administration officials, including Trump himself, refused to acknowledge or elevate Russian operations in 2020 and sought to characterize China as the greater threat.
Biden administration confirms Russian agent shared 2016 Trump polling data as part of election interference efforts

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DHS withheld July intelligence bulletin calling out Russian attack on Biden’s mental health
If you really want to go down this rabbit hole, the Steele dossier itself is evidence of the Clintons getting involved in "Russian collusion." Of course, "opposition research" is fine when the Clintons do it.

The double standard is obvious to anyone that isn't a partisan hack.
paying for opposition research is legal.
Whats illegal is receiving it as a gift, because the giver expects something in return, favors.
 

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But this is exactly why the closure of so many small businesses is a problem that is much longer lasting than the deaths in hospitals and such. Most of the deaths have involved people that were close to death already. The longer term problems have to do with people out of work and in poverty. I care more about those people than those close to death already. The fate of the healthy has longer term economic implications.

Is Rand Paul at the top of your list as your ideal politician?

Do you accept the following political economic divide to be accurate? Let’s call it the Brookings Metro Economic Political Rift (BMER)

“Most notably, the stark economic rift that Brookings Metro documented after Donald Trump’s shocking 2016 victory has grown even wider. In 2016, we wrote that the 2,584 counties that Trump won generated just 36% of the country’s economic output, whereas the 472 counties Hillary Clinton carried equated to almost two-thirds of the nation’s aggregate economy. “​

Do you agree that Red States generate just 36% of the country’s economic output but generates and often does generate over 50% of America’s votes in national elections?
Rand is one of the better Senators, yes.

As for the red/blue divide, if that sort of thing bothers you, then you should favor more decentralization of funding and policy. If blue states and blue areas are truly more productive, then it would make sense that further decentralization of government would allow them to better spend their funds on local needs.

That's what I've always found odd about the centralization push by so many on the left. If you truly believe that the red states and red areas are the welfare queens of the country, then push for more state-based government and less federal government, because it will ultimately benefit your areas.

rand paul, the putin puppet - who wished america a ' happy independence day ' from moscow .... not to mention that the 'doctor' who knowingly had covid, but said nothing - wore no mask - & mixed & mingled with his fellow congress critters - some who are older than dirt - is a quite the douche.
Maybe someday you'll realize that China has way more influence in our government than Russia. China also manipulates a lot of our media.

uh-huh. tell that to RT & sputnik ... & how OANN, newsmax, & fox all peddled the same rw nutter CONspiracies & flat out lies re: biden, whether it was about his son hunter, or ukraine, & they even tried to re-pkg the whole 'health' issue thingy. with hillary- it was her physical health; & with biden, it is his mental 'decline'.

Politics
Trump campaign chief Manafort's associate Kilimnik gave Russia 2016 election strategy, polling, U.S. says
Published Thu, Apr 15 202112:40 PM EDTUpdated Thu, Apr 15 20215:23 PM EDT

Dan Mangan@_DanMangan
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  • A longtime associate of former President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign chief Paul Manafort gave Russian intelligence agencies "sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy" during the election that year, the U.S. Treasury Department said.
  • Manafort's associate, Konstantin Kilimnik, "also sought to promote the narrative that Ukraine, not Russia, had interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election," the department said Thursday as the Biden administration announced new sanctions on Russia, Kilimnik and others.
  • Those sanctions relate in part to Russia's alleged effort to affect the outcome of the 2020 U.S. presidential election.
Trump campaign chief Manafort's associate Kilimnik gave Russia 2016 election strategy, polling, U.S. says


Biden administration confirms Russian agent shared 2016 Trump polling data as part of election interference efforts
By Katie Bo Williams, Jeremy Herb and Marshall Cohen, CNN

Updated 1:29 PM ET, Thu April 15, 2021

(CNN)The Biden administration on Thursday revealed new details about Russia's extensive interference in the 2016 and 2020 US elections, including disclosing for the first time that a Russian agent who received internal polling data from the Trump campaign in 2016 passed it along to Russia's intelligence services.
The new revelations about Moscow's election meddling came as part of the Biden administration's slate of sanctions against Russian actors on Thursday over Russia's election interference as well as the SolarWinds hack and Russia's ongoing occupation of Crimea.
After then-President Donald Trump repeatedly denied or downplayed Russia's election interference in 2016, senior Trump administration officials, including Trump himself, refused to acknowledge or elevate Russian operations in 2020 and sought to characterize China as the greater threat.
Biden administration confirms Russian agent shared 2016 Trump polling data as part of election interference efforts

View attachment 480876

DHS withheld July intelligence bulletin calling out Russian attack on Biden’s mental health
If you really want to go down this rabbit hole, the Steele dossier itself is evidence of the Clintons getting involved in "Russian collusion." Of course, "opposition research" is fine when the Clintons do it.

The double standard is obvious to anyone that isn't a partisan hack.
paying for opposition research is legal.
Whats illegal is receiving it as a gift, because the giver expects something in return, favors.
That's a technicality, and it shows how corrupt the system really is. It's the same reason that the media fixates on Russia while ignoring China.
 

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In what fantasy did you come up with only 200 involved.


I said around 200, Rube. Oh, whatever "fantasy" involved that allows CNN, NBC and most every other news outlet on the planet to quantify those the Fed are interested in as being "over 200."

And most of those simple misdemeanors.

.

200. A drop in the bucket compared to the tens of thousands who rioted violently in this country at BLM hands in 2020 that you didn't blink an eye over.

holy crap batman .... FEBRUARY???

you couldn't ( or more likely, just didn't want to ) get a more current up to date tally?

well lookey here:

Capitol riot: Prosecutors get first guilty plea 100 days after attack
Fri, April 16, 2021, 4:18 PM·13 min read

Exactly 100 days since the 6 January riot that saw a pro-Trump mob storm the US Capitol, prosecutors have their first guilty plea.

Jon Schaffer, 53, a member of the Oath Keepers militia group, pleaded guilty to two charges - obstruction of an official proceeding and entering a restricted building with a dangerous weapon.

He is facing 30 years in prison and is expected to co-operate with investigators.

How many arrests so far?

Most of the rioters were allowed to leave the crime scene, forcing investigators to conduct a national manhunt for the pro-Trump crowd that stormed the halls of Congress.

Investigators for the District of Columbia says they have identified over 540 suspects and charged some 400 people in connection with the Capitol siege.

Officials say they are considering filing serious charges of seditious activity against some individuals who were involved in the siege on the Capitol.

According to federal criminal code, seditious conspiracy means an effort to conspire to overthrow the US government.

The punishment is severe: up to 20 years in prison.

Capitol riot: Prosecutors get first guilty plea 100 days after attack

you're welcome for the most current tally so far ... oh, & when that MAGAT rats out his buddies - there will be dragnet dropped on their asses.
 
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But this is exactly why the closure of so many small businesses is a problem that is much longer lasting than the deaths in hospitals and such. Most of the deaths have involved people that were close to death already. The longer term problems have to do with people out of work and in poverty. I care more about those people than those close to death already. The fate of the healthy has longer term economic implications.

Is Rand Paul at the top of your list as your ideal politician?

Do you accept the following political economic divide to be accurate? Let’s call it the Brookings Metro Economic Political Rift (BMER)

“Most notably, the stark economic rift that Brookings Metro documented after Donald Trump’s shocking 2016 victory has grown even wider. In 2016, we wrote that the 2,584 counties that Trump won generated just 36% of the country’s economic output, whereas the 472 counties Hillary Clinton carried equated to almost two-thirds of the nation’s aggregate economy. “​

Do you agree that Red States generate just 36% of the country’s economic output but generates and often does generate over 50% of America’s votes in national elections?
Rand is one of the better Senators, yes.

As for the red/blue divide, if that sort of thing bothers you, then you should favor more decentralization of funding and policy. If blue states and blue areas are truly more productive, then it would make sense that further decentralization of government would allow them to better spend their funds on local needs.

That's what I've always found odd about the centralization push by so many on the left. If you truly believe that the red states and red areas are the welfare queens of the country, then push for more state-based government and less federal government, because it will ultimately benefit your areas.

rand paul, the putin puppet - who wished america a ' happy independence day ' from moscow .... not to mention that the 'doctor' who knowingly had covid, but said nothing - wore no mask - & mixed & mingled with his fellow congress critters - some who are older than dirt - is a quite the douche.
Maybe someday you'll realize that China has way more influence in our government than Russia. China also manipulates a lot of our media.

uh-huh. tell that to RT & sputnik ... & how OANN, newsmax, & fox all peddled the same rw nutter CONspiracies & flat out lies re: biden, whether it was about his son hunter, or ukraine, & they even tried to re-pkg the whole 'health' issue thingy. with hillary- it was her physical health; & with biden, it is his mental 'decline'.

Politics
Trump campaign chief Manafort's associate Kilimnik gave Russia 2016 election strategy, polling, U.S. says
Published Thu, Apr 15 202112:40 PM EDTUpdated Thu, Apr 15 20215:23 PM EDT

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  • A longtime associate of former President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign chief Paul Manafort gave Russian intelligence agencies "sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy" during the election that year, the U.S. Treasury Department said.
  • Manafort's associate, Konstantin Kilimnik, "also sought to promote the narrative that Ukraine, not Russia, had interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election," the department said Thursday as the Biden administration announced new sanctions on Russia, Kilimnik and others.
  • Those sanctions relate in part to Russia's alleged effort to affect the outcome of the 2020 U.S. presidential election.
Trump campaign chief Manafort's associate Kilimnik gave Russia 2016 election strategy, polling, U.S. says


Biden administration confirms Russian agent shared 2016 Trump polling data as part of election interference efforts
By Katie Bo Williams, Jeremy Herb and Marshall Cohen, CNN

Updated 1:29 PM ET, Thu April 15, 2021

(CNN)The Biden administration on Thursday revealed new details about Russia's extensive interference in the 2016 and 2020 US elections, including disclosing for the first time that a Russian agent who received internal polling data from the Trump campaign in 2016 passed it along to Russia's intelligence services.
The new revelations about Moscow's election meddling came as part of the Biden administration's slate of sanctions against Russian actors on Thursday over Russia's election interference as well as the SolarWinds hack and Russia's ongoing occupation of Crimea.
After then-President Donald Trump repeatedly denied or downplayed Russia's election interference in 2016, senior Trump administration officials, including Trump himself, refused to acknowledge or elevate Russian operations in 2020 and sought to characterize China as the greater threat.
Biden administration confirms Russian agent shared 2016 Trump polling data as part of election interference efforts

View attachment 480876

DHS withheld July intelligence bulletin calling out Russian attack on Biden’s mental health
If you really want to go down this rabbit hole, the Steele dossier itself is evidence of the Clintons getting involved in "Russian collusion." Of course, "opposition research" is fine when the Clintons do it.

The double standard is obvious to anyone that isn't a partisan hack.

lol... well now - you forgot that oppo research was first CONducted by rwingers who hired fusion GPS. when they decided to not go any further with whatever was found, that's when hillary's campaign picked it up.

i suppose you think there was collusion with uranium one, too .... don'tcha? if there was any involvement with the clintons ( i'm gussing you believe ol' slick willy was in on it too ) ... then donny's DOJ sure as hell woulda CONnected them. are you kidding me? the clintons have been the target of the rw for decades; from the 'murder' of vince foster to that latest bullshit *you* are trying to peddle - again. & if they could have pinned ANYTHING on them over the many MANY years of trying, they shirley would have by now.

tell me why then - @ the helsinki puppet show ... putin, in no uncertain terms ... admitted he wanted donny to win in 2016? vlad hated hillary for years - back to when she was sec. of state & endorsed the russian protests against him.

i am no fan of hillary, i have said it a million times. i never was. yep, i voted for her because i have seen donny in action for 40 years & know exactly what he has been all along & learned back in 2000 not to vote 3rd party as a 'protest' vote ever again.

AND i never voted for bill clinton; so my conscience is clear when & if anything ever comes out re: jeffery epstein. i want his balls nailed to the wall.

lol, alot of trump humpers can't say the same about their chosen one.

partisan? that's twice you ASSumed wrongly about me. i am not a (D) & have voted across the board. i'll bet i have voted for more (R)s than you could ever dream of voting outside the 'grand ol' party'.
 
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lol... well now - you forgot that oppo research was first CONducted by rwingers who hired fusion GPS. when they decided to not go any further with whatever was found, that's when hillary's campaign picked it up.

i suppose you think there was collusion with uranium one, too .... don'tcha? if there was any involvement with the clintons ( i'm gussing you believe ol' slick willy was in on it too ) ... then donny's DOJ sure as hell woulda CONnected them. are you kidding me? the clintons have been the target of the rw for decades; from the 'murder' of vince foster to that latest bullshit *you* are trying to peddle - again. & if they could have pinned ANYTHING on them over the many MANY years of trying, they shirley would have by now.

tell me why then - @ the helsinki puppet show ... putin, in no uncertain terms ... admitted he wanted donny to win in 2016? vlad hated hillary for years - back to when she was sec. of state & endorsed the russian protests against him.

i am no fan of hillary, i have said it a million times. i never was. yep, i voted for her because i have seen donny in action for 40 years & know exactly what he has been all along & learned back in 2000 not to vote 3rd party as a 'protest' vote ever again.

AND i never voted for bill clinton; so my conscience is clear when & if anything ever comes out re: jeffery epstein. i want his balls nailed to the wall.

lol, alot of trump humpers can't say the same about their chosen one.

partisan? that's twice you ASSumed wrongly about me. i am not a (D) & have voted across the board. i'll bet i have voted for more (R)s than you could ever dream of voting outside the 'grand ol' party'.
My point was that opposition research is no better than anything Trump was accused of. It's only by technicality that it is legal and these other things are not.

It's like how lobbyism is legal but bribery isn't. They're the same thing but with different formalities.

The system is corrupt to the core.

But I don't doubt that you've voted for more Rs and more Ds than me. I've only voted for Libertarians. And after 2012, I stopped voting altogether. My interest in politics is more intellectual than participatory.
 

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hmmmm.... interesting take you got there - since donny pardoned steve bannon - who was guilty of a fraudulent scam where he solicited donations for building the wall & pocketed the cash.
There have been some setbacks getting the border wall build, but Trump will be back in 2024 to get construction of the wall restarted.
 

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Capitol riot: Prosecutors get first guilty plea 100 days after attack
Exactly 100 days since the 6 January riot that saw a pro-Trump mob storm the US Capitol, prosecutors have their first guilty plea.


Yep. Over three months (nearly 1/3rd of a year) and all you've gotten is ONE guilty plea (guilty of what?) as part of a plea bargain.

Not much to hang your hat on.

And about 25% of the rest are simple misdemeanor trespassings, not insurrection, not sedition, not treason, not attempted murder, or anything.

Meantime Trump was given just a few weeks to gather and file a massive amount of evidence across multiple state lines! And even then told he was often too late to even file.

Democrats ought to be ashamed of themselves, not just for obviously stealing an election, but for making such a mess of Washington, causing a riot, getting several people killed, destroying confidence in government, and all to put an absolute BOOB and nincompoop in the White House who has now all but wrecked the energy sector just for starters and doing more damage every day.
 

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Capitol riot: Prosecutors get first guilty plea 100 days after attack
Exactly 100 days since the 6 January riot that saw a pro-Trump mob storm the US Capitol, prosecutors have their first guilty plea.


Yep. Over three months (nearly 1/3rd of a year) and all you've gotten is ONE guilty plea (guilty of what?) as part of a plea bargain.

Not much to hang your hat on.

And about 25% of the rest are simple misdemeanor trespassings, not insurrection, not sedition, not treason, not attempted murder, or anything.

Meantime Trump was given just a few weeks to gather and file a massive amount of evidence across multiple state lines! And even then told he was often too late to even file.

Democrats ought to be ashamed of themselves, not just for obviously stealing an election, but for making such a mess of Washington, causing a riot, getting several people killed, destroying confidence in government, and all to put an absolute BOOB and nincompoop in the White House who has now all but wrecked the energy sector just for starters and doing more damage every day.
just one guilty plea?

there are 381 facing charges

 

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Capitol riot: Prosecutors get first guilty plea 100 days after attack
Exactly 100 days since the 6 January riot that saw a pro-Trump mob storm the US Capitol, prosecutors have their first guilty plea.


Yep. Over three months (nearly 1/3rd of a year) and all you've gotten is ONE guilty plea (guilty of what?) as part of a plea bargain.

Not much to hang your hat on.

And about 25% of the rest are simple misdemeanor trespassings, not insurrection, not sedition, not treason, not attempted murder, or anything.

Meantime Trump was given just a few weeks to gather and file a massive amount of evidence across multiple state lines! And even then told he was often too late to even file.

Democrats ought to be ashamed of themselves, not just for obviously stealing an election, but for making such a mess of Washington, causing a riot, getting several people killed, destroying confidence in government, and all to put an absolute BOOB and nincompoop in the White House who has now all but wrecked the energy sector just for starters and doing more damage every day.
just one guilty plea?

there are 381 facing charges



And ONE guilty plea, done to cop a plea deal.
 

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You have no room to call me an idiot when you continually deny the connections between violent protesters, Antifa, and BLM.

There is a connection between BLM peaceful protesters and criminals who loot, commit arson, and riot. I am not in denial of that. But this is that connection; at the end of May all of the above were angry about the police brutality they saw on video when George Floyd was killed. It made me angry too. It should have made Utilitarian angry as well. So if it made utilitarian angry then we are all connected. But I didn’t go out and loot riot or set any buildings on fire and I doubt very much that utilitarian did any of that either.

it takes a lot of flat out gall when a white person like utilitarian out of the racial dislike or even hatred that he demands that everybody connect peaceful protesters in the Black Lives Matter movement to looters, rioters and arsonists Just because of the color of their skin.

All racist are idiots in my book I therefore
reserve the right to call utilitarian an Idiot.

There is absolutely no connection between peaceful protesters and violent criminals such as looters, rioters and arsonists and I will continue to deny that such a racist connection exists.
 
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