There Is No Such Thing As Gay "PRIDE"

[WinterBorn]

Gay is all about who you have sex with. That's what gay is. So to say that it has nothing to do with sex is ridiculous.

Gay is also about who you love.

 

[airplanemechanic]

No its not, its about HOW you love them.

There are many many men that I love. But I don't love them in a sexual way. Most straight men love other men, but not romantically. THAT'S what separates straight men from gay men, not WHO they love, but HOW.

 

[mdk]

Gay is all about who you have sex with. That's what gay is. So to say that it has nothing to do with sex is ridiculous.

Did I say it had nothing to do with sex? Nope. Sure did't. You claimed they shouldn't have pride b/c they didn't accomplish or do anything and that isn't true. Pride occurs every June to honor the legacy of Stonewall and the birth of the gay rights movement.

 

[emilynghiem]

Dear rdean I think the common factor is not gays vs rednecks.
It's forgiving people vs. unforgiving people. All the disasters you mention come from people not forgiving
problems but making them worse. Regardless if they are white, black, rich poor, gay straight, etc.

If you make a bigoted statement as you did, does it matter if you are gay or redneck?
The fact you made an ignorant blanket generalization speaks for itself.
If you don't forgive people, it biases your judgment, and you say biased/bigoted
things hardly different from the people you criticize who make similar mistakes.

What makes creative people make the most of their God given talents is being
able to forgive and get past social barriers or setbacks. The "gay people" who
can forgive can succeed. While the gay people who are sick and commit suicide
cannot forgive and get stuck in depression or other mental illness that can kill them.

If you look deeper, and not on the surface with labels as gay or redneck,
you will see that in cases of criminal abuse or welfare abuse,
if people are sick in denial, and have behavioral or social problems they can't solve and get stuck,
there are usually unforgiven conflicts that prevent them from moving forward.
Or staying stuck in mental illness, until they explode or deteriorate, either killing themselves or others.

If you look at the cases of successful gays, rednecks, blacks or whites, rich or poor
(I mean, look at how both Obama and Bush overcame their days of drug abuse and were able to achieve high goals)
the common factor in recovering from setbacks and barriers is
Forgiveness.

So rdean if you are not forgiving of others,
you are missing the very thing that allows
gay people to overcome social stigmas and barriers
and achieve great things with their talents.

The one factor that makes all the difference
between gay success and gay suicide,
and you miss the point entirely!

I suspect that for gays that commit suicide, it's not about "forgiving", but about being driven to it.

If you belong to a party, such as the Republicans, a party that promotes hatred of gays, and you support that party, you can't say pointing that out is a blanket statement. If you support a party that promotes hatred, then you support that hatred. There is no way around it.

Dear rdean the forces that "drive them to it" are what I'm talking about. When unforgiven conflicts build up and pass down to future generations, this causes all manner of sickness. The spiritual healing that can cure this breaks that cycle by collective prayers to forgive and remove those pressures on people. The real sick addictions, as OffensivelyOpenMinded saw destroy a family membet, are not something people can magically will away or forgive on their own even if they try. It takes a team to work on very deep-rooted spiritual prayer and cleansing to break through generations of negative energy bad karma and even curses to free the person who is trapped in oppression or mental obsession and illness.

Look into the effective spiritual charities that offer this healing and are successful with it, and they will tell you it involves negative and positive forces beyond human control and free will. It is a very deep extreme level and I have nothing but respect for th e volunteers who dedicate their lives to healing ppl of deadly disease and addictions using these methods that save lives from a sure path of destrictionm and death.

rdean as for the GOP there are Log Cabin Republicans making great strides. Are you going to say these conservative gay activists are enabling haters? There are Republicans against marijuana Prohibition who believe in more positive less fear based ways to solve drug problems. Just because there are right wing extremes thrown into the same party doesn't mean all members are hateful and enable hate. There are many if not more on the side of compassion and concern for social interests and change for the better.

How are you different from someone accusing gay rights activists for enabling pedophiles by association?

If ppl deny the effective use of spiritual healing to cure the root cause of sexually abusive and addictive problems, sure that is indirectly denying help to ppl and enabling sickness to continue.

But if you are only accusing ppl based on their affiliated group or label, how is that different from lynching someone as a thug just because they belong to the same club as someone who did commit a crime. That doesn't automatically make all members guilty of colluding. What kind of due process do you believe in that would convict people as guilty by association?

In the case of Republicans trying to change things for better, including their own party, I see a lot of dedicated loving caring ppl taking this on. There was even a huge split over the reparative therapy, where Republicans have joined in opposition to stop abusive malpractice.

I don't see how your collective generalization applies. Whatever arguments or points you hoped to make, I don't think this helps your argument but only puts your judgment and credibility in question. It makes you look bad if not clueless about the wide range of ppl in the Republican camp.

I swear to God you are a fucking idiot tard. I can't even read all your bullshit because it's so ridiculous and nasty.
First off, most pedophiles are hetero. So gay and pedophile shouldn't even be in the same sentence.
When you are 15, have no place to go, and by law are "owned" by your parents who hate and torture you, then it's not a question of forgiveness. It's a question of hoping to survive until you can escape.
You one of the most ignorant morons who I have had the misfortune to read on this board. You should be bitch slapped daily until some ordinary common sense is driven into that thick skull.

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Members of disliked minority groups are often stereotyped as representing a danger to the majority's most vulnerable members. For example, Jews in the Middle Ages were accused of murdering Christian babies in ritual sacrifices. Black men in the United States were often lynched after being falsely accused of raping White women.

In a similar fashion, gay people have often been portrayed as a threat to children.

In recent years, antigay activists have routinely asserted that gay people are child molesters.

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Right wingers, their lack of morals and their anti gay sickness. No wonder normal people find them revolting.

You are Totally misreading my msgs.

How are you getting anything nasty out of anything I said.

Why did you assume that the forgiveness applies the way you said it? What??
Do you understand that for the
Pedophile addict or sex offender
To be healed of their sickness
This process involves praying to
Forgive whatever caused their sickness?

If you don't get this point, no wonder
You read my msgs completely backwards.

I have said nothing nasty.

I'm talking about curing the cause of the Pedophile addiction and sexual abuse

rdean don't you DARE put words or read things that I didn't say and don't mean by my msgs.

Let's start with this first point:
Do you understand that for sex abusers and addicts to be cured of their sickness, they have to pray for forgiveness of whatever past actions or issues led up to that situation.

rdean can we start with straightening out this point, then correct the rest caused by this initial misunderstanding.

Thanks rdean!

Do I feel bad because I think you are a tard for flat out saying you can "pray away" mental illness?

Mmmm, no. In fact, I wasn't anywhere nearly as harsh as what you deserve.

OK rdean now I see where we are talking past each other to offend you and common sense

1. NO, nobody has ever "prayed away" either mental illness or cancer or homosexuality or pedophile addiction etc. In fact faith healing fails that is based on this fallacy, as well as "conversion therapy" that is abusive and damaging malpractice.
2. Spiritual healing that is natural effective and free is based on praying to forgive and remove unforgiven obstructions in the mind and spirit that prevent people from recovering and healing naturally as the mind and body normally do on their own.

You don't magically pray away cancer. But if cancer is caused by smoking, and smoking addiction was started by stress in family relationships, the spiritual healing works to resolve the family issues of the past, let those go so the SOURCE of addiction stops, then the smoking addiction stops, and the persons body has a chance to heal from the cancer.

Do you see the difference?

It is not judging anyone but the opposite: of forgiving all the issues causes or sources of negative fears conflicts stress bad energy etc. That otherwise block that person from the natural healing process that can overcome setbacks and problems with the right support.

It's like if someone gets stuck in their 12 step recovery or their grieving after a traumatic loss, the spiritual healing helps to diagnose what issue is the sticking point, pray to forgive and remove that stumbling block or barrier in the mind or spirit, and then they can proceed with the rest of the steps.

This does Not replace medicine but works alongside mental and physical treatments, so the point is to heal the Whole person, mind body and spirit on all levels, using all available means and resources including science and medicine.

rdean I think you thought I was referring to faith healing which is false and fraudulent, and dangerous where it denies medical help and science. The real spiritual healing works with doctors and science as all gifts from God to help ppl heal. Faith healing isn't based on curing the root cause of stress and addiction inside, so nothing changes, when ppl think they can just magically pray away disease from the outside without changing anything internally. That clearly fails.

rdean if you need to see more research documenting successful cases of Spiritual healing, you will find the effective methods use forgiveness therapy to break ppl out of addictive or abusive patterns, while the studies on intercessory prayer that failed to find positive effects did not involve forgiveness of inner root conflicts but, like you said, merely involve trying to pray away problems from the outside. If you don't address the root cause of sickness, if this is not cured permanently, well of course the symptoms of sickness will continue. That's just the scientific method where if the proposed solution doesn't really address the problem you don't get the conclusion or outcome you sought; on the other hand, spiritual healing is based on continuing to dig and dig to find the root cause of the pattern of sickness abuse or addiction, and when the right key is found and healed, then ppl do recover and the negative symptoms go away. This it works by science to troubleshoot the causes, test for solutions, and repeat until the right focus is found that allows the obstruction to be removed and the natural healing process to be restored as the mind and body are designed.

Sources for further research:
Http://www.spiritual-healing.com
Includes cases of schizophrenia healed by these methods of spiritual diagnosis and therapy to forgive and remove the negative sources of sickness and obstruction

 

[WinterBorn]

No its not, its about HOW you love them.

There are many many men that I love. But I don't love them in a sexual way. Most straight men love other men, but not romantically. THAT'S what separates straight men from gay men, not WHO they love, but HOW.

You said it yourself, "...but not romantically". I have male friends that I love. But it is not the same love I feel for my spouse. But gays feel that romantic love for the same gender.

 

[emilynghiem]

Gay is all about who you have sex with. That's what gay is. So to say that it has nothing to do with sex is ridiculous.

Yes and no airplanemechanic
If you look at it spiritually
In terms of soul mate 's born as
Same sex couples as part of their
Spiritual growth and path toward
Unconditional mature beings,
The emphasis may be more on the
Spiritual relationship and partnership
And not so much on the sex.

Some partners choose to remain celibate and just enjoy their spiritual relationship. And they still identify as homosexual partners without the sex.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Well if its just spiritual, why shove the "gay is ok" thing in my face?

Are you really going to tell me that all those fags and lesbos you see at these rallies are only there to support bonding spiritually? REALLY?

 

[emilynghiem]

Well if its just spiritual, why shove the "gay is ok" thing in my face?

Are you really going to tell me that all those fags and lesbos you see at these rallies are only there to support bonding spiritually? REALLY?

Bingo airplanemechanic
That's why it's so contradictory to push spiritual/faith-based beliefs and practice
"into someone's face against their consent or beliefs"

Totally negates the whole argument against
Christians for pushing their beliefs into public policy.

That's another reason it helps to recognize this as a spiritual matter.
By addressing it as spiritual determined path and process in life,
that frees up both sides from having to defend their faith. They don't have to.
They just agree to respect each other's beliefs and quit imposing on each other in public.
and that's equal treatment and not discriminating by creed.

As for your comment not everyone is aware that this
is a spiritual process going on. It varies with each person how
far and deep they see this. Some people see it very deeply as
soulmates from across lifetimes meeting in this one.
(personally i see it as the opposite karma: previously the LGBT
and left kept criticizing Christians for pushing their biased beliefs
through govt such as DOMA, and then they turn around and violate
the same policy by pushing THEIR beliefs about marriage and bathroom
policies on the public against the beliefs of others. So spiritually
this is some process of not judging people lest you be judged.
Learning how the other side feels by making the same mistake.)

Given that people DON'T agree, that's why
I find that framing it as spiritual covers all the
other cases, of why people see it one way or another.
That can still be argued as protected as a spiritual or
faith based belief, since none of this is proven or disproven.
All approaches views and beliefs can be treated equally by law.

So even if people don't agree how to frame it, the
spiritual argument seems to cover all the bases
and include each person's viewpoint as within their rights.
And at the same time, protecting the same of other people
under the same Constitutional principles of free exercise
of religion, equal protection of the laws, and not discriminating by creed.

 

[WinterBorn]

Well if its just spiritual, why shove the "gay is ok" thing in my face?

Are you really going to tell me that all those fags and lesbos you see at these rallies are only there to support bonding spiritually? REALLY?

After the history of violence, discrimination, and hostility gays have faced, you want them to be kind & gentle while people are calling them names? Would you be that way?

 

[emilynghiem]

Well if its just spiritual, why shove the "gay is ok" thing in my face?

Are you really going to tell me that all those fags and lesbos you see at these rallies are only there to support bonding spiritually? REALLY?

After the history of violence, discrimination, and hostility gays have faced, you want them to be kind & gentle while people are calling them names? Would you be that way?

What made Dr. KING Jr and the civil rights movement so successful and respected is that's what he preached and practiced. Respect in the face of persecution. The purpose of this approach is NOT to be a doormat for abuse, but to maintain the higher moral ground for leverage, to stand on the law and invoke authority. Otherwise if you stoop to the same level, you lose that authority and leverage to push for correction. You want to uplift others to treat you as you treat them, with respect, not treat them as they treat you as mutual abuse.

Look at all the great changes made in the world by nonviolence using these methods. WinterBorn

 

[Syriusly]

Beautiful day for a Pride Parade here in San Francisco-

 

[Syriusly]

Well if its just spiritual, why shove the "gay is ok" thing in my face?

Are you really going to tell me that all those fags and lesbos you see at these rallies are only there to support bonding spiritually? REALLY?

If you aren't at the rally how are they shoving it in your face?

 

[Syriusly]

Gay is all about who you have sex with. That's what gay is. So to say that it has nothing to do with sex is ridiculous.

Do you really believe that a virgin is therefore not gay- even when he is attracted to men?

Homosexual is who you are attracted to- just as I am a heterosexual for being attracted to women- even before I ever had sex with women.

 

[SeniorChief_Polock]

Why does someone have to be "proud" of what they like to suck?
How about they try proud to be an American if they'd like to fit in with the rest of fucking society?

 

[SeniorChief_Polock]

THIS is something to be PROUD of >>

Rainbow patch on left shoulder

That division has been around since WWII, dipshit. The current iteration of the logo has similarities to the original - before cocksucking was something you're proud of.
Resume sucking.

 

[WinterBorn]

Why does someone have to be "proud" of what they like to suck?
How about they try proud to be an American if they'd like to fit in with the rest of fucking society?

Fitting in is not something to be proud of.

 

[WinterBorn]

THIS is something to be PROUD of >>

Rainbow patch on left shoulder

That division has been around since WWII, dipshit. The current iteration of the logo has similarities to the original - before cocksucking was something you're proud of.
Resume sucking.

Indeed it is. However, just because another thing is worthy of pride does not render every other source of pride as false.

 

[Syriusly]

Why does someone have to be "proud" of what they like to suck?
How about they try proud to be an American if they'd like to fit in with the rest of fucking society?

No one has to be proud about anything.

Why are you proud of sucking as a human being?

 

[emilynghiem]

Why does someone have to be "proud" of what they like to suck?
How about they try proud to be an American if they'd like to fit in with the rest of fucking society?

Someone else explained the history, that the Pride events mark
the anniversary of the Stonewall protests that started the LGBT gay rights movement:
Obama names Stonewall Inn area as first national monument to LGBT rights. - CNN.com


What's unbelievably ironic is having an African American
President recognize LGBT rights and honor this historic event with a national park,
But in Houston, we watched a Gay Democrat Mayor let developers
DESTROY a **national historic Black Church and Civil Rights landmark**.

Instead, this Mayor spent thousands if not millions in tax dollars lobbying and running
ads for ordinances for LGBT rights (later defeated after proponents refused
to resolve contested flaws and got the city sued for violating rules), while
claiming there is "no money" to restore historic property (only money to give to
private developers to seize and destroy it while violating federal laws).

Not only did the Mayor exclude the beliefs of other citizens, but violated rules
to push the contested ordinance against the will of the public. And used tax money
to do so, while letting THREE national historic landmarks go to waste for "lack of funds."
This should prove that the LGBT politicians don't want just equal rights, but
are bent on promoting their agenda at the expense of any other interests or beliefs.

Very sad.

 

[SeniorChief_Polock]

Why does someone have to be "proud" of what they like to suck?
How about they try proud to be an American if they'd like to fit in with the rest of fucking society?

No one has to be proud about anything.

Why are you proud of sucking as a human being?

What exactly is a human to be?
Certainly not you with anger and fear issues
You should work on those defects


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