theists, please give us the creation of man theory

[Hollie]

The gawds did it

The above refutes all that science n’ stuff.

There is nothing in scripture that rules out G-d creating the Universe through understandable and logical physical laws.

The same case could be made for any of the gods. Let’s suppose that broadly speaking there are two worldviews: the one that establishes reality as all encompassing and has no need for the supernatural realm. This is the "rational" (within the bounds of reason exclusively) worldview.

The other view, the theistic view, asserts that reality requires a supernatural causation; thus, the supernatural --and less diplomatic sounding-- "irrational" (outside the bounds of reason exclusively) worldview.
Both the theist and the materialist require some level or faith or trust (respectively) in order to believe their worldviews are reality. The theist's theological faith is an acceptance of the existence of a divine, supernatural being who via supernatural means establishes all of reality including the laws of nature and logic which allow for the existence of knowledge.

The materialist relies on a priori logic that states that reality is self-caused, and empirical events allow for the existence of knowledge. I see no practical way to come from a rational perspective and assert an irrational one as the foundation.

 

[Hollie]

Why don't 'evolution' cultists just provide us with the chain of evidence that proves their fantasy is indeed a fact? A simple request for those allegedly all 'scientific n stuff'. Otherwise you trolls have nothing to say except nonsense. It must suck that Genesis has as much credibility as your weird improbable nonsense, and in fact agrees with such 'science' as the Big bang Theory and the 'Adam' allegory is more scientifically feasible than dumbass claims that humans 'evolved' over time, or just spontaneously popped up by the hundreds all at once, fully adult and capable of feeding themselves and wandering around the planet, depending on which silly handwave one chooses to adopt today.

It’s 7th grade biology that introduces students to how organisms change and adapt to their environments. Was your 7th grade spent at a madrassah?

 

[007]

When did God start making deformed and retarded babies?

When humans started playing around with chemicals they do not fully understand or control

It happened way before that. Or do you have a link that shows a specific date that this started? No? Then please try again.

What is your point?

God created life

would you prefer Nothingness?

never to have existed?

The point is that your answer was simply made up on the spot. Which shows that what theists don't know, they make up, like the bible. The authors had no concept of science and just wrote what they did understand, which was not much.

You could say exactly the same thing about evolution. It's all made up.

So science is all made up? Is that your final answer?

What science?

"The short answer is that there is so much it's hard to know where to start. But here is a very cursory summary of the evidence that life has, indeed, evolved."
How do we know that evolution is really happening?

Two things wrong with that, one, and the most important, there is no evidence of where life ever came from, which there is none, at all, and science admits that, and two, this website is trying to pass off adaptation as evolution... doesn't work.

 

[fncceo]

The gawds did it

The above refutes all that science n’ stuff.

There is nothing in scripture that rules out G-d creating the Universe through understandable and logical physical laws.

The same case could be made for any of the gods. Let’s suppose that broadly speaking there are two worldviews: the one that establishes reality as all encompassing and has no need for the supernatural realm. This is the "rational" (within the bounds of reason exclusively) worldview.

The other view, the theistic view, asserts that reality requires a supernatural causation; thus, the supernatural --and less diplomatic sounding-- "irrational" (outside the bounds of reason exclusively) worldview.
Both the theist and the materialist require some level or faith or trust (respectively) in order to believe their worldviews are reality. The theist's theological faith is an acceptance of the existence of a divine, supernatural being who via supernatural means establishes all of reality including the laws of nature and logic which allow for the existence of knowledge.

The materialist relies on a priori logic that states that reality is self-caused, and empirical events allow for the existence of knowledge. I see no practical way to come from a rational perspective and assert an irrational one as the foundation.

For the Universe to have come into existence as we have come to accept, all the matter and energy that now exists in this Universe would have had to been contained to a single space smaller than an atom.

That singularity must have come from something. Clearly, there are forces in play here that would fit almost anyone's concept of supernatural ... in the literal sense.

"There are more things in Heaven and on Earth than are dreamt of in our philosophies"

There is still room in the cosmological question for the existence of what might be considered G-d. Judaism embraces the idea that the entire Universe, and all it contains, exists in the mind of G-d.

 

[norwegen]

Sorry, but I needed more than 10 lines:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.”

7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.

8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so.

10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.

12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,

15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.

16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth,

18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.

19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”

21So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”

23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.

25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

God made plants and shit before the sun?
How does that work?

It works when the earth is a disc resting on pillars and the sun, moon, and stars traverse the sky.

 

[norwegen]

What is your point?

Is god deformed and retarded? Babies are said to be made in his image.

Is that God's image? A man with a head, torso, and extremities?

 

[Penelope]

When did God start making deformed and retarded babies?

When humans started playing around with chemicals they do not fully understand or control

It happened way before that. Or do you have a link that shows a specific date that this started? No? Then please try again.

What is your point?

God created life

would you prefer Nothingness?

never to have existed?

The point is that your answer was simply made up on the spot. Which shows that what theists don't know, they make up, like the bible. The authors had no concept of science and just wrote what they did understand, which was not much.

You could say exactly the same thing about evolution. It's all made up.

So science is all made up? Is that your final answer?

What science?

"The short answer is that there is so much it's hard to know where to start. But here is a very cursory summary of the evidence that life has, indeed, evolved."
How do we know that evolution is really happening?

Two things wrong with that, one, and the most important, there is no evidence of where life ever came from, which there is none, at all, and science admits that, and two, this website is trying to pass off adaptation as evolution... doesn't work.

I take it you don't believe in the virus, only things you can see. Science believes in evolution.

 

[007]

When did God start making deformed and retarded babies?

When humans started playing around with chemicals they do not fully understand or control

It happened way before that. Or do you have a link that shows a specific date that this started? No? Then please try again.

What is your point?

God created life

would you prefer Nothingness?

never to have existed?

The point is that your answer was simply made up on the spot. Which shows that what theists don't know, they make up, like the bible. The authors had no concept of science and just wrote what they did understand, which was not much.

You could say exactly the same thing about evolution. It's all made up.

So science is all made up? Is that your final answer?

What science?

"The short answer is that there is so much it's hard to know where to start. But here is a very cursory summary of the evidence that life has, indeed, evolved."
How do we know that evolution is really happening?

Two things wrong with that, one, and the most important, there is no evidence of where life ever came from, which there is none, at all, and science admits that, and two, this website is trying to pass off adaptation as evolution... doesn't work.

I take it you don't believe in the virus, only things you can see. Science believes in evolution.

I take it you mention the virus just to be a smartass.

There is no science for the creation of life. There is no proof of where, when or how life began, period, end of story.

The Bible claims life was created, and it can't be proven. Science just flat out admits it doesn't know.

Anything else?

 

[norwegen]

Genesis is not a science text.

God created the universe, and subsequently (when the earth was ready) introduced life onto the planet, and directed the evolution of life. Later, God chose one of the evolved and advanced existing life forms and instilled intelligence and self-awareness, making it in some way, "in the image of God."

The rest is history.

Or you could believe that all of this just "happened," spontaneously.

Respectfully, the Bible doesn't actually say that God created the universe. If He's transcendent, omniscient, and all the rest, then certainly He did, but the Bible doesn't appear to include anything in the creation story beyond Canaan or Palestine or the regions that the "holy people" staked claims to.

And if God's image is one of intelligence and self-awareness, is He really transcendent, omniscient, and all the rest? Where does He go to "find" Himself? And if He's merely intelligent, how many math problems do you suppose He's missed in His lifetime?

ETA: okay, maybe God is self-aware. He's fully aware of who He is.

 

[Taz]

Sorry, but I needed more than 10 lines:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.”

7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.

8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so.

10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.

12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,

15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.

16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth,

18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.

19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”

21So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”

23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.

25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

When did God start making deformed and retarded babies?

That would be the devil

Didn't god make everything in the universe, including the devil?

God created the Devil so he would have someone to blame.

Like destroying the earth with a flood. A Devil wouldn’t kill all those babies, puppies and kittens

It is said that God is love. And if anyone knows anything about the concept of having a loving relationship, it demands that both parties have the right to love or reject the other.

So creating beings to love would demand such a choice, choosing God's perfect love or rejecting it.

Evil exists the way that darkness does. Darkness does not really exist. There is nothing there to measure. The term darkness is only to denote the absence of light, which does exist and is measurable.

 

[Taz]

Sorry, but I needed more than 10 lines:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.”

7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.

8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so.

10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.

12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,

15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.

16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth,

18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.

19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”

21So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”

23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.

25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

When did God start making deformed and retarded babies?

That would be the devil

Didn't god make everything in the universe, including the devil?

God created the Devil so he would have someone to blame.

Like destroying the earth with a flood. A Devil wouldn’t kill all those babies, puppies and kittens

It is said that God is love. And if anyone knows anything about the concept of having a loving relationship, it demands that both parties have the right to love or reject the other.

So creating beings to love would demand such a choice, choosing God's perfect love or rejecting it.

Evil exists the way that darkness does. Darkness does not really exist. There is nothing there to measure. The term darkness is only to denote the absence of light, which does exist and is measurable.

Evil exists when someone does something evil, it's not the absence of anything, it's a conscious evil action.

 

[Taz]

When did God start making deformed and retarded babies?

When humans started playing around with chemicals they do not fully understand or control

It happened way before that. Or do you have a link that shows a specific date that this started? No? Then please try again.

What is your point?

God created life

would you prefer Nothingness?

never to have existed?

The point is that your answer was simply made up on the spot. Which shows that what theists don't know, they make up, like the bible. The authors had no concept of science and just wrote what they did understand, which was not much.

You could say exactly the same thing about evolution. It's all made up.

So science is all made up? Is that your final answer?

What science?

"The short answer is that there is so much it's hard to know where to start. But here is a very cursory summary of the evidence that life has, indeed, evolved."
How do we know that evolution is really happening?

Two things wrong with that, one, and the most important, there is no evidence of where life ever came from, which there is none, at all, and science admits that, and two, this website is trying to pass off adaptation as evolution... doesn't work.

So because science is still looking for something that points to your preferred invisible friend? How?

Adaptation is how evolution works. It's slow but steady. Just because it doesn't happen as fast as you'd like doesn't mean that it's not happening, nor does it point to your preferred invisible being again, otherwise, demonstrate that.

 

[Taz]

When did God start making deformed and retarded babies?

When humans started playing around with chemicals they do not fully understand or control

It happened way before that. Or do you have a link that shows a specific date that this started? No? Then please try again.

What is your point?

God created life

would you prefer Nothingness?

never to have existed?

The point is that your answer was simply made up on the spot. Which shows that what theists don't know, they make up, like the bible. The authors had no concept of science and just wrote what they did understand, which was not much.

You could say exactly the same thing about evolution. It's all made up.

So science is all made up? Is that your final answer?

What science?

"The short answer is that there is so much it's hard to know where to start. But here is a very cursory summary of the evidence that life has, indeed, evolved."
How do we know that evolution is really happening?

Two things wrong with that, one, and the most important, there is no evidence of where life ever came from, which there is none, at all, and science admits that, and two, this website is trying to pass off adaptation as evolution... doesn't work.

I take it you don't believe in the virus, only things you can see. Science believes in evolution.

I take it you mention the virus just to be a smartass.

There is no science for the creation of life. There is no proof of where, when or how life began, period, end of story.

The Bible claims life was created, and it can't be proven. Science just flat out admits it doesn't know.

Anything else?

So how does that make the bible right? Because science is still looking?

 

[Hollie]

The gawds did it

The above refutes all that science n’ stuff.

There is nothing in scripture that rules out G-d creating the Universe through understandable and logical physical laws.

The same case could be made for any of the gods. Let’s suppose that broadly speaking there are two worldviews: the one that establishes reality as all encompassing and has no need for the supernatural realm. This is the "rational" (within the bounds of reason exclusively) worldview.

The other view, the theistic view, asserts that reality requires a supernatural causation; thus, the supernatural --and less diplomatic sounding-- "irrational" (outside the bounds of reason exclusively) worldview.
Both the theist and the materialist require some level or faith or trust (respectively) in order to believe their worldviews are reality. The theist's theological faith is an acceptance of the existence of a divine, supernatural being who via supernatural means establishes all of reality including the laws of nature and logic which allow for the existence of knowledge.

The materialist relies on a priori logic that states that reality is self-caused, and empirical events allow for the existence of knowledge. I see no practical way to come from a rational perspective and assert an irrational one as the foundation.

For the Universe to have come into existence as we have come to accept, all the matter and energy that now exists in this Universe would have had to been contained to a single space smaller than an atom.

That singularity must have come from something. Clearly, there are forces in play here that would fit almost anyone's concept of supernatural ... in the literal sense.

"There are more things in Heaven and on Earth than are dreamt of in our philosophies"

There is still room in the cosmological question for the existence of what might be considered G-d. Judaism embraces the idea that the entire Universe, and all it contains, exists in the mind of G-d.

I’m not clear on what forces we can default to as supernatural. Nothing in mankind’s history has ever been shown to have a supernatural causation. Even the laws of physics, as we know them, are in place to a fraction of a second after the expansion of the universe.

As a naturalist, as opposed to a supernaturalist, I don't see why one would add an ingredient of impossibility to existence, and while presently the naturalist is burdened with problems of "what was before existence and how do we prove we know what we know?" it is not impossible to conceive a method would be discovered to put those concerns to rest. The theist admits that his incomprehensible gods guarantees no such method is available to mankind (other than the self-asserted supernatural one).

Beyond that, the supernaturalists need to decide among themselves which of the creator gods are the “true” creator gods. In a historical sense, it has been volume of fire and caliber of weapons which has made that determination.

 

[Penelope]

When did God start making deformed and retarded babies?

When humans started playing around with chemicals they do not fully understand or control

It happened way before that. Or do you have a link that shows a specific date that this started? No? Then please try again.

What is your point?

God created life

would you prefer Nothingness?

never to have existed?

The point is that your answer was simply made up on the spot. Which shows that what theists don't know, they make up, like the bible. The authors had no concept of science and just wrote what they did understand, which was not much.

You could say exactly the same thing about evolution. It's all made up.

So science is all made up? Is that your final answer?

What science?

"The short answer is that there is so much it's hard to know where to start. But here is a very cursory summary of the evidence that life has, indeed, evolved."
How do we know that evolution is really happening?

Two things wrong with that, one, and the most important, there is no evidence of where life ever came from, which there is none, at all, and science admits that, and two, this website is trying to pass off adaptation as evolution... doesn't work.

I take it you don't believe in the virus, only things you can see. Science believes in evolution.

I take it you mention the virus just to be a smartass.

There is no science for the creation of life. There is no proof of where, when or how life began, period, end of story.

The Bible claims life was created, and it can't be proven. Science just flat out admits it doesn't know.

Anything else?

Sure there is , science believes in evolution. I believe in many gods, in as many cultures.

 

[BreezeWood]

Why don't 'evolution' cultists just provide us with the chain of evidence that proves their fantasy is indeed a fact? A simple request for those allegedly all 'scientific n stuff'. Otherwise you trolls have nothing to say except nonsense. It must suck that Genesis has as much credibility as your weird improbable nonsense, and in fact agrees with such 'science' as the Big bang Theory and the 'Adam' allegory is more scientifically feasible than dumbass claims that humans 'evolved' over time, or just spontaneously popped up by the hundreds all at once, fully adult and capable of feeding themselves and wandering around the planet, depending on which silly handwave one chooses to adopt today.

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Why don't 'evolution' cultists just provide us with the chain of evidence that proves their fantasy is indeed a fact?

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of course not voodoo desert religionists, true theist understand fully the evolutionary blessings provided the spiritual content and physiological boundary's provided beings for their own unique development.

if you have the intuition necessary, sicko -

real time example - the transformation from one being into another demonstrating the metaphysical spiritual content and its physiological association.

from which all beings evolved from the beginning and perpetuated through purity, the religion of antiquity for their own individual destinies for as long as the required religion remains intact.

 

[Meriweather]

could a theist please give us a concise theory of creation of man....in about 10 sentences
IF you have one
thank you

G=Given
Q=Question

G: The Bible starts by presenting five givens: Water, Land (which was covered by water), Wind, Darkness, Intelligence.
Q: Given the above how was light created?

G: It now appears that light covers everything at all times.
Q: How long did it take before part of the time it was light, and part of the time it was dark?

G: The atmosphere was water.
Q: How long does it take to clear an atmosphere of water?

G: The planet was covered with water.
Q: How long does it take for land to appear?

G: Vegetation began to appear.
Q: What is the first form of vegetation? How long does it take for this to begin taking alternate shapes and grow a tree?

G: It is now the sun and the moon take shape, and stars appear.
Q: What was giving light before our sun and moon?

G: Life began in the water.
Q: What was this first form of life, and how did it multiply to bring forth so many forms? How long did this take.

G: Life began on land in many various forms.
Q: Did this life begin in the sea and move onto land, or did the land, like the sea, begin producing its own life? How long did it take?

G: We are told mankind came from the earth and had the image and likeness of the Creator, who had words and the ability to create.
Q: How does this ability come into being?

Science should be able to provide answers to all of these questions, as well as a theory as to how matter (land) and liquid (water) and intelligence all came into being. If these three things always existed, then the first thing to be an actual creation is light. How is light created from water/liquid? Perhaps it is best not to get the cart before the horse in asking how mankind was created. Let's start with how light was created.

 

[Mac-7]

Your answer that it's chemicals dates from thousands of years?

No

after further consideration I agree there were deformed babies before chemicals

And I dont know why God allows that to happen

 

[BreezeWood]

The gawds did it

The above refutes all that science n’ stuff.

There is nothing in scripture that rules out G-d creating the Universe through understandable and logical physical laws.

The same case could be made for any of the gods. Let’s suppose that broadly speaking there are two worldviews: the one that establishes reality as all encompassing and has no need for the supernatural realm. This is the "rational" (within the bounds of reason exclusively) worldview.

The other view, the theistic view, asserts that reality requires a supernatural causation; thus, the supernatural --and less diplomatic sounding-- "irrational" (outside the bounds of reason exclusively) worldview.
Both the theist and the materialist require some level or faith or trust (respectively) in order to believe their worldviews are reality. The theist's theological faith is an acceptance of the existence of a divine, supernatural being who via supernatural means establishes all of reality including the laws of nature and logic which allow for the existence of knowledge.

The materialist relies on a priori logic that states that reality is self-caused, and empirical events allow for the existence of knowledge. I see no practical way to come from a rational perspective and assert an irrational one as the foundation.

For the Universe to have come into existence as we have come to accept, all the matter and energy that now exists in this Universe would have had to been contained to a single space smaller than an atom.

That singularity must have come from something. Clearly, there are forces in play here that would fit almost anyone's concept of supernatural ... in the literal sense.

"There are more things in Heaven and on Earth than are dreamt of in our philosophies"

There is still room in the cosmological question for the existence of what might be considered G-d. Judaism embraces the idea that the entire Universe, and all it contains, exists in the mind of G-d.

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For the Universe to have come into existence as we have come to accept, all the matter and energy that now exists in this Universe would have had to been contained to a single space smaller than an atom.

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the moment of singularity is the transition from one to the other, energy --> matter and reversed as a cyclical event. and the metaphysical forces. what humanity is lacking, purity.

 

[Hollie]

could a theist please give us a concise theory of creation of man....in about 10 sentences
IF you have one
thank you

G=Given
Q=Question

G: The Bible starts by presenting five givens: Water, Land (which was covered by water), Wind, Darkness, Intelligence.
Q: Given the above how was light created?

G: It now appears that light covers everything at all times.
Q: How long did it take before part of the time it was light, and part of the time it was dark?

G: The atmosphere was water.
Q: How long does it take to clear an atmosphere of water?

G: The planet was covered with water.
Q: How long does it take for land to appear?

G: Vegetation began to appear.
Q: What is the first form of vegetation? How long does it take for this to begin taking alternate shapes and grow a tree?

G: It is now the sun and the moon take shape, and stars appear.
Q: What was giving light before our sun and moon?

G: Life began in the water.
Q: What was this first form of life, and how did it multiply to bring forth so many forms? How long did this take.

G: Life began on land in many various forms.
Q: Did this life begin in the sea and move onto land, or did the land, like the sea, begin producing its own life? How long did it take?

G: We are told mankind came from the earth and had the image and likeness of the Creator, who had words and the ability to create.
Q: How does this ability come into being?

Science should be able to provide answers to all of these questions, as well as a theory as to how matter (land) and liquid (water) and intelligence all came into being. If these three things always existed, then the first thing to be an actual creation is light. How is light created from water/liquid? Perhaps it is best not to get the cart before the horse in asking how mankind was created. Let's start with how light was created.

Your first “Given” is entirely presumptive and springs from one presumptive version of gods formed by a collection of largely unknown authors.

Your givens are in conflict with hundreds of other, equally authoritative givens.

To proceed from presumptive givens with suggestions of authoritative statements is terribly flawed.