Zone1 Why is evil allowed in the world?

[otto105]

Evil only exists because you allow it.

She's not voting for the orange felon.

She's not voting for an orange felon promising a retribution and revenge regime of fascism.

 

[ding]

Ok, then what about those scriptures that supported the claims you made in #178?

I'm not sure you'll ever be able to get there until you recognize these texts for what they were. You don't know why they were written or where they came from. It's just a collection of books. Each written for a specific reason to pass on specific knowledge. It's not an instruction book from God.

 

[BULLDOG]

I'm not sure you'll ever be able to get there until you recognize these texts for what they were. You don't know why they were written or where they came from. It's just a collection of books. Each written for a specific reason to pass on specific knowledge. It's not an instruction book from God.

You silly thing. I'm not arguing whether I believe every word as written to be the direct inerrable word of God. I'm asking questions in light of the most common responses to questions I have had in researching the Bible. As expected, there are a handful of trite, often unrelated answers, and a plethora of people making shit up while desperately trying to form a rational answer. Your posts are mostly the latter. Either way, it always comes down to I have to accept the veracity of every part of the bible on some level before any questions can be answered.

 

[ding]

You silly thing. I'm not arguing whether I believe every word as written to be the direct inerrable word of God. I'm asking questions in light of the most common responses to questions I have had in researching the Bible. As expected, there are a handful of trite, often unrelated answers, and a plethora of people making shit up while desperately trying to form a rational answer. Your posts are mostly the latter. Either way, it always comes down to I have to accept the veracity of every part of the bible on some level before any questions can be answered.

Great. Since you don't believe every word written to be the direct inerrable word of God, you shouldn't even be looking there for the answer.

But if you are curious about the answer to your question read the list of possible answers I already provided. But we both know you aren't really looking for an answer, right?

 

[BULLDOG]

Great. Since you don't believe every word written to be the direct inerrable word of God, you shouldn't even be looking there for the answer.

But if you are curious about the answer to your question read the list of possible answers I already provided. But we both know you aren't really looking for an answer, right?

You haven't even figured out the question.

 

[ding]

You haven't even figured out the question.

You mean the one that is the title of this thread? Or why you are here? I'm pretty sure I've figured them both out. I'm also pretty sure you don't possess the intellectual horsepower or desire to answer the first one and you most certainly don't possess the self awareness or objectivity to answer the second one.

 

[otto105]

You mean the one that is the title of this thread? Or why you are here? I'm pretty sure I've figured them both out. I'm also pretty sure you don't possess the intellectual horsepower or desire to answer the first one and you most certainly don't possess the self awareness or objectivity to answer the second one.

Fail

 

[BULLDOG]

Fail

And the poor guy doesn't even know why he failed.

 

[ding]

And the poor guy doesn't even know why he failed.

You have to see it that way.

 

[otto105]

You have to see it that way.

Fail

 

[ding]

Fail

How so?

 

[surada]

Evil only exists because you allow it.

God judges that I think. We can't kill evil.

 

[Ace Nova]

Totally hypothetical - not based on any particular faith or religion.

At some point - beings, entities or spirits became conscious. Eventually, something may have occurred and the reaction it received (whether an automatic universal force or from another being/entity/spirit) caused a negative reaction and this negative reaction was countered with another negative reaction and so forth. Eventually, some sort of order may have been established and once this order was established - it was deemed that these "negative reactions" worked in opposition to the established order - hence creating the first "sin" or " evil".

This may have gone on since the dawn of creation - or maybe more recently. But essentially these "two" contradicting forces have now become basically "automatic" in my opinion. But like Oil and Water they do not mix and repel each other when mixed - unless. of course, a living spiritual being is able to allow both in - at various times, levels, etc.

Living Spiritual beings are given the gift of being able to bring these opposite forces together - either within them, outside of them or possibly both. The challenge for a spiritual being is not to let either force completely overtake them - because even what could be considered a "good trait" by some can come off as being "pretentious" to others - making what was once considered a good trait, no longer considered a good trait.

In my humble opinion, moderation and humility are key. Eventually, once you establish your "true self"you will have "balance" and should become a well adjusted person - considered to be "good" by your higher power and everyone around you.

People of faith believe that God is the one who oversees these "opposing forces"- that said, God's Spirit is pure and will not voluntarily "mix" with any spirit that is impure. destructive, evil, - so we are blessed to have an "advocate" in our ear - letting us know that "maybe this isn't a good idea" etc.

 

[GMCGeneral]

Yep. God can be a dick sometimes.

Nope. Short answer is man is evil.

 

[BreezeWood]

... once you establish your "true self"you will have "balance" and should become a well adjusted person -

not sure the two are subjective only the choice between them - an evil person can trick an unsuspecting person into believing an opposite to what actually is the right course leading them astray ... such as a selfish, self pitying alcoholic parent -

it may be the rigidity of right and wrong that is the culprit in discarding one for the other when being trapped w/ tragic consequences.

 

[Ace Nova]

not sure the two are subjective only the choice between them - an evil person can trick an unsuspecting person into believing an opposite to what actually is the right course leading them astray ... such as a selfish, self pitying alcoholic parent -

it may be the rigidity of right and wrong that is the culprit in discarding one for the other when being trapped w/ tragic consequences.

Let me be clear - Neither of the contrary forces are necessarily "Good" or "Evil" - it is from the "negative reactions" they generate that go against the established order and from the "negative reactions" "evil" or "sin" can emerge.

For example - one force helps create artistic enlightenment within a spiritual being. The contrary force then creates "jealousy" within another spiritual being - and from this, sin emerges.

Now the previous contrary force helps create mathematical enlightenment in another individual - The other force then creates "sloth" within that same individual. The previous force that helped create "sin" is now the force that creates "good" while the other force is helping create "sin".

And you are correct - it can be more than two spirits creating discord within a spiritual being - but in the end - the spiritual being will create either something "good" or "bad" (Possibly indifferent from time to time).


In the case of parents - the "higher love and truth" would be to gain understanding and a spirit of compassion and mercy - in which you would be able to put your spiritual being within their spiritual being - each one individually - and view the world and yourself from their eyes. In all likelihood - you would gain a better understanding and realize that despite their deep rooted scars and faults, that they both truly love you - more than you ever realized.

And if there is a substance that requires you to "discard" one for the other - with "tragic consequences" then it is the substance itself you should confront - for that is the substance of discord - the very definition of "The Adversary".

Like you said, "An evil person can trick an unsuspecting person into believing an opposite to what is the right course - leading them astray."

Heed your very own words - for they are wisdom itself.

 

[BreezeWood]

In all likelihood - you would gain a better understanding and realize that despite their deep rooted scars and faults, that they both truly love you - more than you ever realized.

sad day to realize such is not the case ... for a few.

leading them astray for some the likelihood unfathomable are most often those who hide behind religion and are who will not lift the rock to let them free. the christian bible has shut many a door.

 

[Ace Nova]

sad day to realize such is not the case ... for a few.

leading them astray for some the likelihood unfathomable are most often those who hide behind religion and are who will not lift the rock to let them free. the christian bible has shut many a door.

Out of curiosity, have you ever spoken to a "well adjusted" person of faith in person? The type that never mentions their faith but their demeanor and their"works" shines through them like the morning sun.

They are not biased or prejudice towards people of no faith or other faiths - they are not arrogant - and they accept you for who you are. And they never once mention their faith or their God.

Have you ever had that experience?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Perhaps because God has evil.

You have the devil and you have God, both seem to be god like, but there's only one God. So the devil is probably a part of God.

Look at the Noah's Ark story. God got angry and killed all but 8 people. That's pretty evil, in my book

The devil is is a fallen angel, not a god. H is NOTHING like God. He is a created being who CHOSE REBELLION just like you

 

[GMCGeneral]

Out of curiosity, have you ever spoken to a "well adjusted" person of faith in person? The type that never mentions their faith but their demeanor and their"works" shines through them like the morning sun.

They are not biased or prejudice towards people of no faith or other faiths - they are not arrogant - and they accept you for who you are. And they never once mention their faith or their God.

Have you ever had that experience?

These people are ashamed of the Gospel. Also, there is still only one way to G-d