Their 'separation of church and state' is just ugly anti-religion discrimination

[Ringtone]

If stare decisis were carved in stone blacks would still be as pieces of furniture.

Even Democrats no longer cleave to the Dred Scott decision.

Ah! Okay. Nice one.

 

[Ringtone]

That's right, hyperbole such as you have been posting. Just because I don't follow people over the cliff doesn't mean I don't support this ruling.

What the hell is that supposed to mean? What hyperbole are you talking about specifically? Do you support universal school choice funding or not!

Stop trolling the thread. These are simple questions.

 

[BlackSand]

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The Separation of Church and State became common and popular during the Age of Enlightenment.
As many things, it has been twisted into political nonsense since the end of the Age of Enlightenment.

It was designed to attack the very specific role of the Roman Catholic Church's desire to be a proxy government.
It also attacked the idea that Monarchies could survive as Governing Powers simply on the premise
that the Monarchs were actually chosen by God due to the fact they were born to the previous ruler.

As the Age of Enlightenment began to fade in the early 1900's, everything just turned into garbage again as politicians
attempted to suggest that Separation of Church and State was somehow an assault on all religion.

It was about individual rights and the lack of government being run by the Church ...
Not the absence of religion in context to anything associated with the State.

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[pknopp]

What the hell is that supposed to mean? What hyperbole are you talking about specifically? Do you support universal school choice funding or not!

I can only state I support the ruling so many times.

Stop trolling the thread. These are simple questions.

Seems the comprehension is the tough part.

 

[PoliticalChic]

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The Separation of Church and State became common and popular during the Age of Enlightenment.
As many things, it has been twisted into political nonsense since the end of the Age of Enlightenment.

It was designed to attack the very specific role of the Roman Catholic Church's desire to be a proxy government.
It also attacked the idea that Monarchies could survive as Governing Powers simply on the premise
that the Monarchs were actually chosen by God due to the fact they were born to the previous ruler.

As the Age of Enlightenment began to fade in the early 1900's, everything just turned into garbage again as politicians
attempted to suggest that Separation of Church and State was somehow an assault on all religion.

It was about individual rights and the lack of government being run by the Church ...
Not the absence of religion in context to anything associated with the State.

.​

I am never as succinct at you are in this post, but I will subscribe to it.
Are you familiar with Stendhal's
"Le Rouge et le Noir (French pronunciation: [lə ʁuʒ e l(ə) nwaʁ]; meaning The Red and the Black) is a historical psychological novel in two volumes by Stendhal, published in 1830....

The title is taken to refer to the tension between the clerical (black) and secular (red)[4]"Wikipedia


The French Revolution was the singular origin of the revolt against religion, and the comparison with our revolution provides a lesson: the former turned France into an abattoir.

One of the most advanced, sophisticated nations of the 18th century kills 600,000 citizens- many of it’s most valuable citizens, plus some 145,000 flee the country- and the study of same is considered insignificant??? Schom, “Napoleon Bonaparte,” p. 253.

This was not a revolution that was likely to end, as the American Revolution did, with the motto “Annuit Coepis” (He [God] has favored our undertakings) on its national seal.




Under the Democrats, the Left, America has taken a turn for the worse, and the proof is the apocryphal "separation of church and state."

 

[Ringtone]

I can only state I support the ruling so many times.



Seems the comprehension is the tough part.

I didn't ask you if you support the ruling. I asked you if you support universal school choice funding or not. The ruling does not pertain to the question of universal school choice funding.

 

[BlackSand]

I am never as succinct as you are in this post, but I will subscribe to it.

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I try to make it easy to digest ... That doesn't mean I couldn't have a more in-depth discussion if appropriate.
I think everyone loses ground when they attempt to drag the open sharing of ideas into the minutia of politics.

To govern is to limit.
If someone wants people to have Freedom ... Let them be Free.

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[PoliticalChic]

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I try to make it easy to digest ... That doesn't mean I couldn't have a more in-depth discussion if appropriate.
I think everyone loses ground when they attempt to drag the open sharing of ideas into the minutia of politics.

To govern is to limit.
If someone wants people to have Freedom ... Let them be Free.

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I wasn't implying that you couldn't.....just that it is not my style.

 

[pknopp]

I didn't ask you if you support the ruling. I asked you if you support universal school choice funding or not. The ruling does not pertain to the question of universal school choice funding.

If it applies to some, it applies to all.

 

[Resnic]

I was always torn on separating church and state.

One one hand religion should not play a part in decision making as it can cloud judgement and be abused.

On the other hand a lot of good moral conduct and practice is born out of religion. Something we are severely lacking in our nation right now.

Religion can be a force for what's right and fair. Religion can strengthen the resolve to do the right thing. But it can also have an opposite effect.

And it's not gone unnoticed by me that in recent years we have had a drop in this country of church in the public eye and coinciding with that decrease of the christian church in the public eye we have seen a equal rise in immoral behavior.

Church and Christianity decreased. At the same time crime has risen, gays and trannies have started forcing their way into our lives and children's lives, pedophiles have been on the rise, we have gotten softer on crime and criminals, people have been becoming more complacent and depressed, more young people waste their lives with no ambition, our society is filled more and more with people who don't like America, and so on.

Personally even though I am not religious, we need more religion in this country.

 

[BlackSand]

I wasn't implying that you couldn't.....just that it is not my style.

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I know ... And I wasn't attacking your approach.

I was kind of explaining why I didn't go into more detail in reference to a question you asked after that.
There are so many examples of what it meant, who it was meant to serve, and how it literally shaped this world as a result.

If we list all the examples ... They are just going to try to pick them apart one by one,
in attempts to ignore what was achieved, served mankind, and corrected a wrong in the Big Picture.

.​

 

[PoliticalChic]

I was always torn on separating church and state.

One one hand religion should not play a part in decision making as it can cloud judgement and be abused.

On the other hand a lot of good moral conduct and practice is born out of religion. Something we are severely lacking in our nation right now.

Religion can be a force for what's right and fair. Religion can strengthen the resolve to do the right thing. But it can also have an opposite effect.

And it's not gone unnoticed by me that in recent years we have had a drop in this country of church in the public eye and coinciding with that decrease of the christian church in the public eye we have seen a equal rise in immoral behavior.
Iwho don't like America, and so on.

Personally even though I am not religious, we need more religion in this country.

It appears you are not aware of the religion that is damaging America.

“… progressivism has effectively taken the status of a religion. Liberal counties and cities aren’t even pretending to be value neutral anymore. They are explicitly using public schools to advance their religion, which is characterized in part by its absolutist moralism on transgenderism and the primacy of racial identity.” Their 'separation of church and state' is just ugly religious discrimination

There are two religions in conflict.

That of the Founders, the Judeo-Christian faith.
The Bible is its foundation.


And that of Democrats, Liberals, Communists, Nazis, Fascists.....Militant Secularism. Lacking self-awareness, the Democrats, Liberals, Progressives ridicule religion as superstition......but kneel to their false religion, Militant Secularism.
From the Amazon review of Godless, by Coulter…


Though liberalism rejects the idea of God and reviles people of faith, it bears all the attributes of a religion. In Godless, Coulter throws open the doors of the Church of Liberalism, showing us its sacraments (abortion), its holy writ (Roe v. Wade), its martyrs (from Soviet spy Alger Hiss to cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal), its clergy (public school teachers), its churches (government schools, where prayer is prohibited but condoms are free), its doctrine of infallibility (as manifest in the "absolute moral authority" of spokesmen from Cindy Sheehan to Max Cleland), and its cosmology (in which mankind is an inconsequential accident).

Then, of course, there's the liberal creation myth: Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

For liberals, evolution is the touchstone that separates the enlightened from the benighted.
And....Franklin Delano Roosevelt, "...the Socialist Savior of the Democratic Party."

the Catechism: you didn't build that.....any success is just dumb luck



1. Sen. Mazie Hirono (D., Hawaii) on Tuesday called for liberal activists to believe in climate change as if it were a "religion." Dem Senator Hirono: Believe in Climate Change Like a Religion


2. And the equally brilliant Ben Shapiro runs with "its sacraments (abortion)"....
"When Abortion Becomes a Sacrament
...alleged comedian Michelle Wolf paid tribute to the most important facet of American life: abortion. On her Netflix show on Sunday, Wolf dressed up in red, white and blue, and shrieked into the camera, "God bless abortions, and God bless America!" She explained: "Women, if you need an abortion, get one! If you want an abortion, get one! ...

...abortion isn't just another decision. It's a giant middle finger to the moral establishment. And those who would fight abortion are desacralizing the mysterious holiness of a ritual that reinforces women's control. No wonder Wolf thinks God blesses abortion; abortion is her god."
When Abortion Becomes A Sacrament

3. “It [Communism] is not new. It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith. Its promise was whispered in the first days of the Creation under the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: "Ye shall be as gods." It is the great alternative faith of mankind. Like all great faiths, its force derives from a simple vision. Other ages have had great visions. They have always been different versions of the same vision: the vision of God and man's relationship to God. The Communist vision is the vision of Man without God.
It is the vision of man's mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the world.” Whittaker Chambers, Witness



4. “Rahm Emanuel: Athletes Kneeling During National Anthem Akin to Kneeling at ‘Religious Services’ Rahm Emanuel: Athletes Kneeling During National Anthem Akin to Kneeling at ‘Religious Services’ - Non Perele - News Online



5. "Darwinism, by contrast, is an essential ingredient in secularism, that aggressive, quasi-religious faith without a deity. The Sternberg case seems, in many ways, an instance of one religion persecuting a rival, demanding loyalty from anyone who enters one of its churches -- like the National Museum of Natural History.”
The Branding of a Heretic



6. “The secularists [that The New York Times, Katherine] Stewart represents just refuse to acknowledge that their religious beliefs are in fact religious beliefs, and of a far creepier and deadlier kind than Christians’.
….the belief that it is possible to fix the world by applying government pressure? That is not a belief that can be wholly validated by research or experience. In fact, research and experience both indicate that central planning usually makes life even more nasty, brutish, and short.

So what is this unfounded, undocumented, unprovable faith in government power to correct human psyches and behavior if not a religious (metaphysical) belief? It is also an unprovable and metaphysical belief about what a human is — a thing that can be “corrected” by politics and whose “error” is not intrinsic to itself. Again, these are all metaphysical, religious beliefs with no empirical basis or possibility of being fully empirically proven.


The secular, pagan, atheist types are the ones who claim religious assumptions are evil. They do so because they erroneously believe they are free from such assumptions. But in truth, no one is.””
Barr: The People Trying To 'Impose Their Values' Are 'Militant Secularists'



7. NY Democrat Governor “Hochul defends calling NYC churchgoers ‘my apostles’” … speech at a Brooklyn mega-church where she urged worshippers to act as “my apostles” and proselytize on behalf of COVID-19 vaccinations. Critics of the remarks included Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who mocked Hochul as “one of the high priestesses” of “the cult of coronavirus” and “the leader of the New York diocese of the corona cult.” “Around her neck, she wore not a cross — that’s yesterday’s symbol — but instead a vaccination necklace,” Hochul defends calling NYC churchgoers ‘my apostles’

 

[PoliticalChic]

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I know ... And I wasn't attacking your approach.

I was kind of explaining why I didn't go into more detail in reference to a question you asked after that.
There are so many examples of what it meant, who it was meant to serve, and how it literally shaped this world as a result.

If we list all the examples ... They are just going to try to pick them apart one by one,
in attempts to ignore what was achieved, served mankind, and corrected a wrong in the Big Picture.

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I have no problem with that.....each to his own.

 

[Blues Man]

Possibly, were you an American, you'd know that our Founders were religious, and used the Bible as the basis for our founding docments.



"The most quoted source was the Bible. Established in the original writings of our Founding Fathers we find that they discovered in Isaiah 33:22 the three branches of government: Isaiah 33:22 “For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.” Here we see the judicial, the legislative and the executive branches. In Ezra 7:24 we see where they established the tax exempt status of the church: Ezra 7:24 “Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.”

When we look at our Constitution we see in Article 4 Section 4 that we are guaranteed a Republican form of government, that was found in Exodus 18 “Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:” This indicates that we are to choose, or elect God fearing men and women. Looking at Article 3 Section 3 we see almost word for word Deuteronomy 17:6: ‘No person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses. . .’ Deuteronomy 17:6 “At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses. . .”. The next paragraph in Article 3 Section 3 refers to who should pay the price for treason. In England, they could punish the sons for the trespasses of the father, if the father died."
Roger Anghis -- Bring America Back To Her Religious Roots, Part 7

They were also smart enough to state that Congress shall pass no law respecting the establishment of religion

 

[Ringtone]

I was always torn on separating church and state.

One one hand religion should not play a part in decision making as it can cloud judgement and be abused.

On the other hand a lot of good moral conduct and practice is born out of religion. Something we are severely lacking in our nation right now.

Religion can be a force for what's right and fair. Religion can strengthen the resolve to do the right thing. But it can also have an opposite effect.

And it's not gone unnoticed by me that in recent years we have had a drop in this country of church in the public eye and coinciding with that decrease of the christian church in the public eye we have seen a equal rise in immoral behavior.

Church and Christianity decreased. At the same time crime has risen, gays and trannies have started forcing their way into our lives and children's lives, pedophiles have been on the rise, we have gotten softer on crime and criminals, people have been becoming more complacent and depressed, more young people waste their lives with no ambition, our society is filled more and more with people who don't like America, and so on.

Personally even though I am not religious, we need more religion in this country.

I'm sorry, but your post is incoherent. For example, why are you torn over separating church and state? Do you even know what the classical liberal doctrine of church and state separation is?

 

[Ringtone]

They were also smart enough to state that Congress shall pass no law respecting the establishment of religion

And what does that mean to you exactly?

 

[Blues Man]

And what does that mean to you exactly?

That means there can be no official state approved religion of the US. PERIOD

 

[PoliticalChic]

They were also smart enough to state that Congress shall pass no law respecting the establishment of religion

The prob is that the Demorats have no respect for the Constitution, and went right ahead and pressed their religion, Militant Secularism, on the nation.

 

[Ringtone]

That means there can be no official state approved religion of the US. PERIOD

Like this:

In order to ensure genuine freedom of conscience for the working people, the church is separated from the State, and the school from the church: and freedom of religious and anti-religious propaganda is recognized for all citizens.​

 

[Ringtone]

If it applies to some, it applies to all.

Okay, rightwinger.