task0778
Diamond Member
For those who do not agree with the concept of voting for the lesser of 2 evils and believe that kind of thinking got us into the mess we find ourselves in today, I say hogwash. For most of my adult life stretching over 50 years, in most presidential elections we were left with 2 flawed nominees and one of them was going to be our next president. And at the moment there is no 3rd party candidate that has even a remote chance to be elected, so once again for all practical purposes we only have 2 choices. To be honest, a couple of times in the past I did vote for a 3rd party person, a protest vote if you will. I didn't see that either major candidate would be that consequential if elected; in other words the country would pretty much go on as before no matter who got elected. If we made a mistake and elected the wrong man then we could address that by voting in the other party. But this time I do not believe that is the case. I believe the possibility exists for some serious consequences if Biden gets elected and the Dems take the Senate. I am not so sure that if that happens we could recover, at least not for a long time.
If Trump get 4 more years, I don't see it as a big long term problem. Whatever he does, or if his policies are ineffective or misguided, the next president and Congress can change/undo them, assuming the voters want that to happen and vote the Dems into the WH in 2024. That's the beauty of our political system, if you fuck up then the other side will probably replace you and that is as it should be. As deplorable as Trump is, the country will be able to chance course, mainly because I do not believe the GOP will abolish the filibuster in the Senate if they manage to maintain their majority there. I believe at best the GOP will probably have a 51-49 or 50-50 majority where the VP casts the deciding vote. And there are enough repubs around who won't support killing the filibuster, no matter if Trump wants that to happen.
Perhaps not so if Biden gets elected and the Dems also gain a Senate majority, which right now I think is close to a 50-50 chance. Considering that the Far Left is driving that party right now, many people believe the democrats will vote to abolish the filibuster completely, so they can then pretty much do as they please. And that right there is a major change to American politics, mob rule in the Senate instead of keeping the 60 vote threshold that currently exits to begin or end debate on most bills. That 60 vote is there to require debate and compromise between the majority and the minority, take that away and it's Katy bar the door. Have you seen what the dems could/would do if given the chance?
Won't happen if Trump is re-elected, no point in doing so cuz whatever a democrat Senate and House sends to the Trump would likely be vetoed. But Biden? Not that he could stop the Senate from doing that, it ain't his authority to tell the Senate how to do their business. But the fact that he would be the president and Trump isn't means that the Far Left could do their will in dragging this country much farther to the Left than Obama could or did. Way Left. Unless you want to say Biden will stand up to the Far Left and veto whatever bills the dem Congress sends him? I don't think so. What happens if a democrat Congress votes to make DC the 51st state. or maybe Puerto Rico the 52nd? That makes it much harder for the GOP to retake the Senate, with 4 more blue seats that very likely will stay that way. And 6 more blue ballots in the electoral College, making it much harder to elect a repub president. Christmas day every day if you're the dems.
Won't happen you say. Maybe. Could happen? Yeah, I think so, the Senate looks like a tossup to me that could go either way, as could the White House. Won't make any difference you say. Maybe, and maybe it'll make a very big difference. Will the moderate dems provide a roadblock? I think not, have you seen the $3.4 trillion Relief Bill they're fighting for? They already voted to make DC the 51st state, and any moderate democrat who isn't on-board to Far Left agenda will have a very large target on his/her back. They fell in in line in 2010, didn't they? How much confidence should anyone have that enough democrats will stand up and stay that ain't right? Not much, if any in my book.
So - if you don't see any of this as possible and you don't like either candidate and don't vote, well that's your prerogative. If you don't see any difference between what Trump would do and what Biden would, so be it. But what if you're wrong?
If Trump get 4 more years, I don't see it as a big long term problem. Whatever he does, or if his policies are ineffective or misguided, the next president and Congress can change/undo them, assuming the voters want that to happen and vote the Dems into the WH in 2024. That's the beauty of our political system, if you fuck up then the other side will probably replace you and that is as it should be. As deplorable as Trump is, the country will be able to chance course, mainly because I do not believe the GOP will abolish the filibuster in the Senate if they manage to maintain their majority there. I believe at best the GOP will probably have a 51-49 or 50-50 majority where the VP casts the deciding vote. And there are enough repubs around who won't support killing the filibuster, no matter if Trump wants that to happen.
Perhaps not so if Biden gets elected and the Dems also gain a Senate majority, which right now I think is close to a 50-50 chance. Considering that the Far Left is driving that party right now, many people believe the democrats will vote to abolish the filibuster completely, so they can then pretty much do as they please. And that right there is a major change to American politics, mob rule in the Senate instead of keeping the 60 vote threshold that currently exits to begin or end debate on most bills. That 60 vote is there to require debate and compromise between the majority and the minority, take that away and it's Katy bar the door. Have you seen what the dems could/would do if given the chance?
Won't happen if Trump is re-elected, no point in doing so cuz whatever a democrat Senate and House sends to the Trump would likely be vetoed. But Biden? Not that he could stop the Senate from doing that, it ain't his authority to tell the Senate how to do their business. But the fact that he would be the president and Trump isn't means that the Far Left could do their will in dragging this country much farther to the Left than Obama could or did. Way Left. Unless you want to say Biden will stand up to the Far Left and veto whatever bills the dem Congress sends him? I don't think so. What happens if a democrat Congress votes to make DC the 51st state. or maybe Puerto Rico the 52nd? That makes it much harder for the GOP to retake the Senate, with 4 more blue seats that very likely will stay that way. And 6 more blue ballots in the electoral College, making it much harder to elect a repub president. Christmas day every day if you're the dems.
Won't happen you say. Maybe. Could happen? Yeah, I think so, the Senate looks like a tossup to me that could go either way, as could the White House. Won't make any difference you say. Maybe, and maybe it'll make a very big difference. Will the moderate dems provide a roadblock? I think not, have you seen the $3.4 trillion Relief Bill they're fighting for? They already voted to make DC the 51st state, and any moderate democrat who isn't on-board to Far Left agenda will have a very large target on his/her back. They fell in in line in 2010, didn't they? How much confidence should anyone have that enough democrats will stand up and stay that ain't right? Not much, if any in my book.
So - if you don't see any of this as possible and you don't like either candidate and don't vote, well that's your prerogative. If you don't see any difference between what Trump would do and what Biden would, so be it. But what if you're wrong?
